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the beatles

37 (44.6%)

led zeppelin

12 (14.5%)

Rush

7 (8.4%)

tool

8 (9.6%)

pink floyd

19 (22.9%)

Total Members Voted: 56

[TrialAndTerror]

These bands are all OLD, and therefore irrelevant. Things have progressed.

Question: Who are Rush? No-one has heard of this band, I think you guys made them up to make fun of Coheed and Cambria fans.

[Beastmouth]

These bands are all OLD, and therefore irrelevant. Things have progressed.

Question: Who are Rush? No-one has heard of this band, I think you guys made them up to make fun of Coheed and Cambria fans.

Man, I got away without knowing Coheed & Cambria existed until I worked at the CD booklet factory.  Thanks for reminding me of one more way that place sucked.  :/

[TrialAndTerror]

Now you're just teasing me! Who are Rush? Where are they hiding? What are they plotting? Where is the bomb?!

[Johnny C]

None of the op's favourite bands are as enjoyable as Fleetwood Mac.

In your DREAMS.

[KickThatBathProf]

Now I will say something controversial that I honestly believe!

She Wants Revenge are more enjoyable than New Order.

I also believe this, but my roommate also believes this way too much.

He actually enjoys listening to She Wants Revenge on a regular basis.

Ironically, he also listens to Freezepop on a regular basis.

[dalconnsuch]

what is your fave of my favorite mainstream bands?

I...don't care?

i ... don't care if you don't care, its just for fun, relax woman, the world will still be indie-ruled by the end of the day no matter what th eresponse is here

[dalconnsuch]

I'm tired of rather new people coming here and making this assumption that we're all a bunch of uptight-holier-than-thou-elitist-music-snob types.
Some of my favourite forumers here, who've been here long time also carry this misconception, and so they choose not to post in the music forum. This is a shame, there's a lot of intelligent people on the boards who's opinions on music I'd love to read. I don't give a crap about what they listen to, but I know they carry some very good opinions with them. I'll never get to read those because everybody thinks that the core of the music forums are indie-type hipster kids.

I'd like to take a moment to point out that the issue of elitism never comes up around here until some new person comes in and accuses the rest of us of this because we happen to disagree with him or her. That sort of thing is NOT welcome here. It's stated in the music forum description that you shouldn't be a dick about music. So don't be a dick about music.

Before you throw around explosive terms like 'hipster', 'snob', 'elitism...
...I want you to hold off posting for a few weeks. Observe the long time regulars. I mean REALLY observe them. One or two of them make fun of everybody, that's a given. Sometimes, it's funny. The vast majority do nothing but discuss the music they like. They will not make fun of you if you have no idea what they're talking about, they love to share. Even if they don't care for the things that you like, they would love to listen. So don't be afraid, just talk about music! Cut out all the bullshit!


So, this thread.

This is not me being elitist, this is not me being a snob. This thread sucks. It's a selfish thread. It's a thread about you. I don't understand why. What's more, you implied that the rest of us have a problem with bands that aren't independent. Take your prejudice elsewhere or get in line.

obviously with this post you ARE holier than though and a snob and being quite selfish

thsi this is for fun, lighten up

[a pack of wolves]

You do realise you basically just said 'I know you are, you said you are, but what am I'?

[Jackie Blue]

I honestly like She Wants Revenge, something I cannot say for New Order.  And I am a huge fag for Joy Division so no one start with me on how liking one should logically lead to liking the other.

The thing about She Wants Revenge is, besides the fact that their music is genuinely catchy, their songs are such perfectly-done paint-by-post-punk numbers that there is literally no way they are taking themselves seriously.  I mean, have you heard the new album?  It's almost literally the exact same album as the first, including the obligatory "this is a song about how cool it is to be at a club and check out a chick and dance with her".

This is a band who have lyrics like:

I heard it's cold out
but her popsicle melts.
She's in the bathroom
she pleasures herself.

There is no more sublime parody than that which perfectly imitates.  She Wants Revenge are the logical extension of Trans Am's horribly underrated album TA.

[dalconnsuch]

You do realise you basically just said 'I know you are, you said you are, but what am I'?

yes i know but as childish as it is like i said, just for fun! his opinions his opinion and not gonna get upset about that

[pinkpiche]

People can take anything seriously. Which is horrifying.

[Johnny C]

I think his argument is the same that we use for Complete, except extended towards one of the worst bands I can think of.

[KharBevNor]

Man, guys, don't bitch about metal elitism. At least not in the sense of someone not wanting to play Pelican on a metal show. There are definitely times when metal elitism becomes utterly ridiculous and stagnatory (Just look how boring black metal was in the late 90's) but it comes from a very understandable place. It's a natural reaction to people who have no fucking idea what the hell metal is about trying to invade our subculture all the fucking time. Whether its teens at one end who think that Coalchamber and KoRn are metal, or hipsters at the other end who think they're diverse because they listen to things like The Sword and Goblin Cock, which is pretty much the equivalent of me saying I'm into rap because I like a couple of Goldie Lookin' Chain songs. Yeah, maybe you like to sneer at the excesses of metal fandom, and call it staid, conservative, elitist, whatever, but there's a lot of people out there, me included, who really fucking enjoy metal and the experiences associated with it. It is, after all, our fucking subculture. We're the ones who made it up, and we're the ones who keep it going. If you're not a metalhead, you don't even have the right to moan about some DJ refusing to play Isis or whatever.

All those bands you mentioned suck anyway. Good call, mr. Metal DJ!

[Johnny C]

All those bands you mentioned suck anyway. Good call, mr. Metal DJ!

Including Boris.

Including Boris.

Metal elitism is awesome because it's so wildly inconsistent from one metalhead to the next. It's stupid bullshit though, just like any other form of musical elitism, and calling it a "natural reaction" makes it even less justifiable. Never mind that you've set up strawmen who think metal is just The Sword and Goblin Cock - people on this forum listen to everything from Burzum to Neurosis to Nevermore to Jesu to Priest, largely of their own accord. I'll be the first to admit that this forum is somewhat of an anomaly but still. There's a difference between being protective of the culture you've established and being a dick who goes "BAWWWWWWWWWWW" the second someone else likes a certain set of bands who fit within a given genre.

I'll be blunter than I've been in a while and say that if that's the presiding attitude towards outsiders discovering metal, then metalheads need to collectively grow up.

[amok]

Famously, this board decided two years ago that Joy Division was superior to The Beatles.

This seriously took until 2006 to figure out?

[Johnny C]

Well, it was the first time it was organized.

[bbqrocks]

Metal elitism can be taken to ridiculous extremes, but c'mon, what do you think the reaction to kids saying marilyn manson and slipknot are metal is gonna be?

[Joseph]

So I heard this great new indie band on the radio today.  The Killers, I think they were called.  What would be a good album to start with?

[Joseph]

I also heard this one Panic! At the Disco song.  What other emo bands are good?

[bbqrocks]

I would recommend the killers album 'hot fuss'-It has most of their singles on it.

Bands similiar to panic! at the disco? Well, fall out boy instantly spring to mind. Hawthorne heights?

[valley_parade]

All those bands you mentioned suck anyway. Good call, mr. Metal DJ!

Including Boris.

Including Boris.

I'm not even sure I'd consider Boris "metal" as much as I would "drone band that can FUCKING RAWK".

[bbqrocks]

I can do nothing but agree with that statement. Boris do fucking rock.

[amok]

I also heard this one Panic! At the Disco song.  What other emo bands are good?

there's this band called Funeral For A Friend they're like old school emo I guess maybe check them out

[valley_parade]

From Autumn To Ashes amirite?

[bbqrocks]

Yes they are all old school emocore. And tehre is always taking back sunday, but they are quite obscure.

[amok]

And tehre is always taking back sunday, but they are quite obscure.

man I was into taking back sunday back in the good ol days when they had a mere 10 million fans and only 1 video on mtv

who wants to touch me

[valley_parade]

Queue forms behind me, people.

[Johnny C]

I'm not even sure I'd consider Boris "metal" as much as I would "drone band that can FUCKING RAWK".

Nothing rocks harder.

[bbqrocks]

Metal has many characteristics.

man I was into taking back sunday back in the good ol days when they had a mere 10 million fans and only 1 video on mtv

That's still pretty popular.

[Johnny C]

Sometimes I read your posts and wonder if Kieffer is playing an elaborate prank on us.

[bbqrocks]

  Who is kieffer?

[amok]

That's still pretty popular.

this guy can see right through me like woah

[ledhendrix]

Nothing gets past him. Nothing

[KharBevNor]

some stuff

1) When did I say I was talking about anyone on this forum? Did I? I don't think I did!
2) The issue is absolutely not about outsiders trying to discover metal. The issue is about outsiders attempting to define what metal is. If you can't see the difference, then that's your problem.
3) Hyperbole dude. That Boris/Merzbow split was one of my end of year top 10s back in 2006. However, Boris aren't really metal. This is not to denigrate them in any way at all, but it's the truth. Theres metal involved, but I wouldn't say that was their essence. Doom, drone and sludge exist as fairly well defined genres outside of the overall metal scene. Certainly, they're not mainstream metal, and there's no reason to assume that the average metalhead would even appreciate them. Hell, I barely ever listen to them. Pelican, however, really do suck, and Isis are studiously mediocre.

[bbqrocks]

I seem to be sensing some sort of underlying humorous current directed towards ridiculing someone.

But I may be wrong.

Nevertheless, the post where this thread became silly:

my fave mainstream bands, yes i know their not independent, tragic, but its all for fun!

@Kharbevnor; I agree with point two and parts of point two..Not the last sentence however.

[imapiratearg]

what is your fave of my favorite mainstream bands?

I...don't care?

i ... don't care if you don't care, its just for fun, relax woman, the world will still be indie-ruled by the end of the day no matter what th eresponse is here

Alright, my turn:

I like various kinds of music, some of my favorite bands are:

The Weakerthans, Yo La Tengo, Dinosaur Jr., Sonic Youth, Explosions in the Sky, and Built to Spill.

What is everyone's favorite out of all of them?

INFLATE MY EGO, NOW, PEOPLE!

[amok]

at some stage during this thread people started to be silly.

See if you can pinpoint the specific post!

You can dump on Rush all you want guys, but they helped give birth to prog rock and you know it. I hope you can at least recognize their contribution to rock as a genera and their exceptional musicianship. As a bass player I feel totally comfortable citing Geddy Lee as the best bass/vocals in rock. His tone is impeccable and I love the emotion and meaning he puts into his lyrics. I don't think any rock musician should be able to look down on such exceptional song writing and musicianship simply because it isn't exactly to their taste.

rock as a genera, man.

[Beastmouth]

None of the op's favourite bands are as enjoyable as Fleetwood Mac.

In your DREAMS.

Peter Green's twice the guitarist Jimmy Page could ever be. 

[Beastmouth]

what is your fave of my favorite mainstream bands?

I...don't care?

i ... don't care if you don't care, its just for fun, relax woman, the world will still be indie-ruled by the end of the day no matter what th eresponse is here

Alright, my turn:

I like various kinds of music, some of my favorite bands are:

The Weakerthans, Yo La Tengo, Dinosaur Jr., Sonic Youth, Explosions in the Sky, and Built to Spill.

What is everyone's favorite out of all of them?

INFLATE MY EGO, NOW, PEOPLE!

I really dig Dino Jr but I think I'll have to quit liking them sometime so I don't go deaf.
Also SY are nice but Yo La 4L

[a pack of wolves]

Doom, drone and sludge exist as fairly well defined genres outside of the overall metal scene.

Really? Drone's really a whole different thing to metal and sludge often has roots in punk but I always thought of doom as being, well, metal. Not one of the more popular styles, certainly, but no more outside of it than black metal for example. What is it that makes doom so separated in your opinion?

[KvP]

Wait, wait, gah. Nevermind.

[Jackie Blue]

Well, this thread took a bit of a nosedive while I took a nap.

I think metal elitism, or at least metal exclusionism, is illustrated well by the kind of statement Khar made, and many other people make about other genres, "Well, sure, band X have elements of genre Y, but that doesn't mean they're part of it..."

Basically I just hate micro-management of genres.  I eagerly await the day when every band is its own genre.

[bbqrocks]

Who knows, every band may end up as exactly the same genre.

[Joseph]

What was up with people actually answering my questions?  This thread only confuses me now.

[Johnny C]

response!

1) I was using this forum more as an example - once again, it's a tiny gold nugget in the Internet's constant shitstream, but I was using it to prove a point. There are very few people who define metal as Goblin Cock exclusively, and those people are clear beginners to the genre at any rate, so it seems counter to your argument that it's not about outsiders discovering metal to suggest that they present any issue other than being neophytes.
2) See above, mostly. Plus, we've had similar conversations about the definition of pop and the best we can come to is "it's a nebulous genre and encompasses." What makes metal different, especially when it has more subgenres than you can shake a broadsword at?
3) Oh now come on. Garage does pretty well for itself but I wouldn't place it outside of rock. New wave did pretty brisk business in the eighties but I wouldn't for one second suggest it's entirely separate from pop. Once again, what makes metal different?

[Jackie Blue]

It confuses me that I'm supposed to "know" that there is a certain narrowly-defined list of bands I can call a college radio show and request.  It's not like I called and requested Def Leppard.  Or Belle and Sebastian.  I requested three bands which are heavy and which a lot of metal fans, especially metal fans who are likely to be listening to a college radio station, could conceivably like.

[bbqrocks]

Once again, what makes metal different?

I would say its many splinterous subgenres, and the fact that a lot of it sounds a hell of a lot different.

[Jackie Blue]

The point is that you can say that about any and every genre, dude.

[Johnny C]

I would say its many splinterous subgenres, and the fact that a lot of it sounds a hell of a lot different.

So Wax Mannequin sounds the same as The New Year?

Get outta town!

[Jackie Blue]

Also Pink Floyd and AC/DC totally sound identical.