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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #100 on: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 »

So it's just on looks, then?

Fuck it, I'll get the Russian. I like the black.

NO it's not just looks. All EH's Big Muff models sound different. I heard the LBM sounds pretty good, try them all out yourself.
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« Reply #101 on: 13 Feb 2008, 18:27 »

Actually, I'm looking to get a cheep but good delay pedal sometime in the future.  Any suggestions?
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #102 on: 13 Feb 2008, 19:17 »

What do you want to do with it? There are two main types of delay tone... the warm, mushy, Analog sound which is great for texture or the clean repeats of Digital delay which is good if you want to make it sound like there is more than one of you.
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« Reply #103 on: 13 Feb 2008, 19:59 »

Dogg analog delay can be clean and precise as well.

I personally think analog-sounding digital delay is where it's at. Best of both worlds + decent price tag.

It's an inherently expensive effect. By that I mean, you're not going to find anything worth buying under $150.

Things to look at:

Tech 21 Boost D.L.A.
BOSS DD-3, DD-6, DD-20
Electro-Harmonix #1 Echo
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« Reply #104 on: 13 Feb 2008, 20:12 »

Hmm, thats what I was afraid of.  Thanks for the suggestions, I'll definitely look into it further.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #105 on: 13 Feb 2008, 20:25 »

A cool lo-fi digital delay is the old discontinued Boss PS-2. I have one, it's cheap, sounds warm and dirty, not in an analog way but in a crunchy digital way. There's a soft high pitched hum when the delay time knob is in certain positions though. I think this pedal was used by a few famous doods, maybe Slowdive. It also has a shitty out of tune pitch shifter built in.
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« Reply #106 on: 17 Feb 2008, 12:35 »

This is somewhat of a thread resurrection, but I needed to post this:

This is a bass DI box/pre-amp/pedal based on the pre-amp stage of a vintage Traynor TS-50B solid state bass amp.  It was designed by some guys on Electrical Audio.  Bob Weston, bassist for Shellac, uses a TS-50B head and you can hear it on the first couple Shellac albums.  I think the bassist from The Jesus Lizard also used a TS-50B.  Anyway, it sounds like it's great for crunchy, Shellac-y distorted bass, but also works for clean bass.  I think this is cool because I'm probably going to buy a TS-50 guitar amp soon, which has the same pre-amp stage in it.

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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #107 on: 17 Feb 2008, 22:33 »

Ah, some guy posted about those on the Offset Forum a few months ago. Look pretty cool, if the soundclips are as good as the people say they are I might pick one up.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #108 on: 19 Feb 2008, 20:40 »

I've got one of these:

http://filters.muziq.be/model/ibanez/10/ds10
Ahh, my Ibanez DS10 Distortion Charger!

And it rocks, honestly it makes my guitar sound like pure joy coated in awesomeness with a hint of kickarse.  Only problem is that its so old, the batter connector is covered with battery acid and actually just came off entirely!  I need to go down to radio shack and get it fixed, it is just too awesome a pedal to let rust.

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The Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer

My dad got me this for Christmas, and it is a weird pedal to use.  If you tweak it enough you'll come across a really good setting, but if you change it you'll probably loose it forever.  it's a good one though and I like to mes around with it.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #109 on: 20 Feb 2008, 14:22 »

in response to the delay petal disscussion!


i highly recommend the line-6 echo park!!!!!!!!

i have both the DL-4 and this. the DL4 has alot more options and has looping capabilities, but i use the echo-park more consistently. when you put it on the "tape" setting, it sounds just fantastic, its a perfect vintage tape-loop modeller. PERFECT!
and you can switch it to digital AND analog settings. along with several delay times and settings, AND built in tap tempo that is easy to use! my favorite pedal in the price range.

another fantastic option that is always overlooked: Boss DD-5. i would reccomend this over the DD-3 AND DD-6. just buy a tempo tap seperately and it's soooooo much easier to use than the tap tempo features of the DD-6. its perfect to get that u2, tripplet sound.

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« Reply #110 on: 20 Feb 2008, 20:17 »

How versatile and usable is the Boss DS-1?  Basically, should I shell out $40 to get one?
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« Reply #111 on: 20 Feb 2008, 21:34 »

How versatile and usable is the Boss DS-1?  Basically, should I shell out $40 to get one?

I don't really have much to compare it to, but i quite like it, especially for the price.  Depending on where your volume knob is on your guitar, you can go from a bit of fuzz to screeching crunch
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« Reply #112 on: 22 Feb 2008, 01:38 »

How versatile and usable is the Boss DS-1?  Basically, should I shell out $40 to get one?

save up 50 more bucks and go for the ibanez tube screamer
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #113 on: 22 Feb 2008, 02:16 »

Honestly, yeah, the tubescreamer will last you a long time through whatever amps you're playing, whereas the BOSS will probably sound pretty bad on a decent tube amp.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #114 on: 22 Feb 2008, 11:09 »

.. 'cept Tube Screamer reissues are shit.

Go for a ProCo RAT 2 (same $90).
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« Reply #115 on: 22 Feb 2008, 16:35 »

.. 'cept Tube Screamer reissues are shit.

Go for a ProCo RAT 2 (same $90).

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« Reply #116 on: 24 Feb 2008, 16:38 »

Seeing as we're on to the Rat, it was mentioned earlier that the distortion can be a little overwhelming at times, but that's actually fairly easy to fix using the Ruetz Rat mod, which makes the tone much warmer and more overdriven, rather than distorted.

Of course, that version of the mod is rather permanent and sometimes you want all the distortion because it is awesome, but it doesn't take much know-how to get around that. One of the best things  about the Rat is that it is built like a fucking tank and is impossible to destroy, but also has plenty of extra space for modding things. This is how mine currently looks:



The switch on the front enables/disenables the Ruetz mod, and the extra knob on the side is a variable resistor run in the battery circuit which recreates the lovely crunchy noises you get when the battery starts dying. I'm pretty pleased with how it all sounds, and would recommend getting a Rat just to poke around inside, even if you only have a little bit of electronic knowledge like me.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #117 on: 24 Feb 2008, 19:29 »

I would pay you to make me a pedal like that, if I bought a vanilla one.
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« Reply #118 on: 25 Feb 2008, 05:06 »

The ProCo Rat gets amazing distortion/feedback, it's quite loud though, and the feedback can overpower the sound.

Good for a slightly fuzzed out indie/noise rock sound though.

Also a very good pedal to run a drum machine through for a blown out sound
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« Reply #119 on: 25 Feb 2008, 07:11 »


Just got it friday. A bit daunting at first but it is starting to work for me.
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« Reply #120 on: 25 Feb 2008, 07:14 »

Is that thing like, a pre-amp, too?
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« Reply #121 on: 25 Feb 2008, 07:34 »

It has preamp models as well, so yes.

I played both into my Peavey 5150 and direct into my Hard disk recorder and I was suprised how freaking good the dirty tube sound was (faked) direct. It has a mic input. It has an aux input as well. I dig it because I play a Parker and like to run my piezo sound separate from my DiMarazios.

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« Reply #122 on: 25 Feb 2008, 19:09 »

You can get little adaptor things, but in my experience they don't always work for some reason. There's always the Boss LS-2, but they're not cheap (Musiciansfriend have them at like $80 right now) and probably do more than you really want. I've been thinking about trying to build my own, stripped down version of the LS-2. I'll give it a go this week.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #123 on: 25 Feb 2008, 21:38 »

i has a question:

i recently bought a thingamagoop (synthesizer) and i need to run my bass and that through my amp at the same time. is there a box/pedal i could buy that takes two inputs and makes one output? i was shown a multiplexer, but i don't know if those are for instruments/inexpensive.

thanks!


Look for any A/B or A/B/Y box.
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« Reply #124 on: 26 Feb 2008, 06:44 »

Get one of these:


Built like a tank. Will work as a splitter or a mixer. About $50 USD
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #125 on: 26 Mar 2008, 07:26 »

does anyone know what pedals and gear Ratatat uses to get that 70s disco lazer space rock sound
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« Reply #126 on: 26 Mar 2008, 08:33 »

As far as delay pedals go you can't beat the king:


[url][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTdf_t0yc-8/url]

expensive-but will last forever.....consider the memor man for a small budget

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« Reply #127 on: 26 Mar 2008, 15:34 »

Does anyone know any powerful flangers and when I say powerful I mean I want to hear a flange through it when I'm not playing anything ( heh maybe not that powerful but you get the idea..) I have previously owned and sold a Danelectro Psychoflange and it definintally doesn't live up to its name.. neither did the turbo flange. suggestions anyone..?
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #128 on: 26 Mar 2008, 18:21 »

There was a link to this website, Build Your Own Clown, somewhere in this thread.  They have some sweet custom pedals.  In fact, I plan on acquiring myself a Mighty Mouse, the free compressor that comes with any pedal kit you get, and possibly a delay.  I just need to find out where to buy the components, get some of the greenboards from them, and have my dad show me how to solder and borrow his soldering gun.  They might have something that could get you that kind of sound.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #129 on: 26 Mar 2008, 19:46 »

does anyone know what pedals and gear Ratatat uses to get that 70s disco lazer space rock sound

i would like to know also.
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« Reply #130 on: 26 Mar 2008, 22:44 »

A lot of what they do is e-bow based, not as pedal heavy as you'd expect
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« Reply #131 on: 27 Mar 2008, 08:04 »

A lot of what they do is e-bow based, not as pedal heavy as you'd expect

Here is Mike (stroud) talking about ratatat's sound in an interview:
AL: Do you have a lot of effects on the guitars?

Evan: There is very little effects on the record. A lot of people think that there is. But it is mostly distortion and reversed parts. That .s it. There are a lot of layers.

AL: There are no keyboards?

Mike: There are keyboards too. A lot of it is ten guitar tracks layered down together.
 A favorite of Mast and Stroud's methods is to employ a backward guitar effect: They'll write a chord progression or melody, play it backward on guitar (if the progression is, for example, ABCD, they'll play it as DCBA) and then reverse the recording for the final effect.

“It sounds normal when you're playing it — usually it just sounds kind of like a really bad part — but then once it's reversed, it's the right notes, and it's just a weird sound,” Mast says. “It's like these notes that start quiet and then get bigger as they go.”

“We use guitar for almost everything,” adds Stroud, who plays a '65 Epiphone Wilshire. “There are some organs, but lots of the weird stuff you hear that you'd think are keyboards are really backward guitars. We just try to get the most interesting sound. We'll use a keyboard part, and we always end up thinking, ‘This would probably sound cooler on a backward guitar.’”

So I assume that sound is attainable for anyone with even a lo-fi recording set up capable of laying tracks and reversing them....
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« Reply #132 on: 27 Mar 2008, 13:13 »

There was a link to this website, Build Your Own Clown, somewhere in this thread.  They have some sweet custom pedals.  In fact, I plan on acquiring myself a Mighty Mouse, the free compressor that comes with any pedal kit you get, and possibly a delay.  I just need to find out where to buy the components, get some of the greenboards from them, and have my dad show me how to solder and borrow his soldering gun.  They might have something that could get you that kind of sound.

I've ordered many pedal kits from them, they sound great - if you're looking for a place to order components, small bear electronics is a good place: http://www.smallbearelec.com/

The compressor is awesome, and so is the delay.
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« Reply #133 on: 27 Mar 2008, 13:27 »

Yeah, I wanted a Mighty Mouse, but I decided I didn't really need the extra clipping modes, and all I really want is the RAT distortion sound.  The ProCo TurboRAT is fifty bucks cheaper than if I were to buy a pre-assembled one, and cheaper than the kit itself.  Although, would it be cheaper to purchase all the components and assemble it yourself?  I suppose I could buy the delay and get the free compressor that comes with a purchase.  It'd be cheaper than buying two separate pedals.

I bet there's got to be some sort of awesome satisfaction of knowing that you built your pedals yourself.  Especially if no one in your area has the same tone or sound as you.
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« Reply #134 on: 27 Mar 2008, 13:28 »

It's pretty cool.

I do have the turbo rat, though. It is awesome.
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« Reply #135 on: 27 Mar 2008, 13:33 »

Did you post a picture of it?  The one with the mods on it?
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« Reply #136 on: 30 Mar 2008, 12:07 »


These are my pedals.

The black one with no label is an Akai Intelliphase, just rehoused. It's only got two knobs, very straightforward. I'm not a big fan of the phaser sound, but this one sounds really nice if used minimally.

To the right of that is the BYOC compressor, I bought this when I first found BYOC and was unsure of how easy it actually was it build a pedal. Tonewise, this compressor is very nice, but it lacks the squish I'm looking for, and it's very dirty sounding. I sold my Boss CS-3; tonewise the two are complete opposites. If you like clean metallic compression, the CS-3 is the way to go, but this comp is natural and gritty sounding but doesn't change your guitar's natural tone at all like the boss pedal does.

The EHX Soul Preacher is actually the perfect compressor, it's got everything I wanted in a comp. After playing around with 4 or 5 different ones, I think this is a keeper.

The EHX Holy Grail is a great reverb, I initially bought it because my old amp had amazing reverb but was way too quiet. When I got the new amp, it has a really shallow reverb tank, but this pedal adds all the reverb I need. One knob, three reverb types. I only really stick with the spring reverb, honestly. The only downside to the Holy Grail is the higher you turn that dial, the quieter the output is. I may have to get a volume pedal to help with this...

The big monster on the far right is the standard Dunlop crybaby wah. I'm not a wah guy, I just use this as a filter sometimes. I've had it forever and it's never done me wrong.

The MXR Blue Box is the weirdest pedal I've ever dealt with, it adds a ridiculous amount of fuzz, and also a note two octaves below what you're playing. I bought this because it was cheap and broken, just a quick repair and I was off. If the dial is all the way up, it really captures that J. Mascis tone. If the dial is lower, you can get really funky 8-bit videogame sounds. I love and hate this pedal at the same time, but I don't think I'd ever get rid of it.

The Boss DS-1 distortion sucks. It was the first pedal I ever bought and I hardly ever use it. I guess it's cool if you want to sound like a 15 year old playing Nirvana songs, because that's what I used it for. I am keeping it because eventually I think I'm going to try modding it or putting something into the housing.

The Devi Ever/Effector13 Disaster Fuzz is another wonky pedal. It's an oscillating fuzz, so it really screams, but it also will play a note on its own without plugging anything into it. I really love this pedal for noise jams.

The ProCo TurboRAT is phenomenal. It's like a RAT but it gets much dirtier and grittier. I've had this thing for 5 or so years now and it's almost always in my pedal train somehow. I think this is the only distortion pedal I really need.

The three metal boxes that are taking the brunt of my camera's flash are three I built - a delay, a tremelo, and a fuzz pedal. I got the kits off BYOC. The delay is very analog, very clean and precise. It's a beautiful thing. There's a dampening knob too, so you can adjust the volume of the delayed notes to get a soft, warm delay - or an abrasive nightmarish mess. It took some getting used to but I'm really warming up to this pedal. The tremelo is pretty good, it does what you'd expect. The fuzz pedal is a clone of the MKII Tonebender. This thing is harsh, metallic and monstrous. It's a really heavy pedal when you need to REALLY crank out the feedback and fuzz.

The last pedal is the orange one with a racing stripe... I bought this off ebay and I'm really not sure what to call it. It's a dirt pedal, definately, but it's not heavy like my other distortions. I use this pedal all the time while fingerpicking - it captures Matt Sweeny's slight distortion on the Superwolf album perfectly. It's great for adding just that thin layer of crunch that I'm looking for on most of what I play.
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« Reply #137 on: 30 Mar 2008, 12:14 »

*Writes down names of pedals to get.*

Jesus, I wish I had a lineup of pedals like that.  I only really want a compressor, delay and a fuzz/distortion.
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« Reply #138 on: 30 Mar 2008, 12:53 »

hey internet should i go get a boss dd-3 for 65usd today? 

i'm thinking probably but
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« Reply #139 on: 30 Mar 2008, 13:56 »

Guys I have a practice amp now
I think I need some fun things

What should be My First Pedal
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« Reply #140 on: 30 Mar 2008, 15:19 »

Guys I have a practice amp now
I think I need some fun things

What should be My First Pedal
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« Reply #141 on: 30 Mar 2008, 20:17 »

Why does everyone hate the TS-808 reishes? 
I've got one and think it sounds fucking fantastic. 
Are y'all looking for hella distortion or putting it in front of transistors or something?
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« Reply #142 on: 31 Mar 2008, 06:23 »

"The MXR Blue Box is the weirdest pedal I've ever dealt with, it adds a ridiculous amount of fuzz, and also a note two octaves below what you're playing. I bought this because it was cheap and broken, just a quick repair and I was off. If the dial is all the way up, it really captures that J. Mascis tone. If the dial is lower, you can get really funky 8-bit videogame sounds. I love and hate this pedal at the same time, but I don't think I'd ever get rid of it."

KIng Buzzo also raves about this pedal and it is used on just about every melvins song to date--love that pedal...MXR makes quality stuff for sure--BTW if you go looking for this pedal on like musicians friend you will never see it advertised you have to type in the exact name but its cheap (pedalwise) and loads of fun
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« Reply #143 on: 31 Mar 2008, 06:40 »

Guys I have a practice amp now
I think I need some fun things

What should be My First Pedal

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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #144 on: 31 Mar 2008, 07:37 »

Guys I have a practice amp now
I think I need some fun things

What should be My First Pedal

A fuzz pedal is always a good start.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #145 on: 31 Mar 2008, 08:49 »

Guys I have a practice amp now
I think I need some fun things

What should be My First Pedal
find a russian Small Stone
set phasers to Kill

Check.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #146 on: 31 Mar 2008, 17:53 »

Depends on what kind of music you play.

The Big Muff does one sound. Hi-gain rokk. It does it extraordinarily well, but not much of anything else.

I'll repeat my ProCo RAT 2 suggestion if you're getting a distortion pedal.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #147 on: 31 Mar 2008, 19:56 »

Really, what's everybody got against the Ibanez TS-808 Tubescreamer reissues? 
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #148 on: 31 Mar 2008, 21:22 »

Think of J Mascis's voice. Gravelly, weak, and weasely.* The reissued TS-808 embodies it in a pedal.

*This isn't to say that I don't love Dinosaur Jr. His voice fits the music well, but does not fair well as an effects pedal.
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Re: the Guitar Pedal Thread
« Reply #149 on: 31 Mar 2008, 21:46 »

Think of J Mascis's voice. Gravelly, weak, and weasely.* The reissued TS-808 embodies it in a pedal.

*This isn't to say that I don't love Dinosaur Jr. His voice fits the music well, but does not fair well as an effects pedal.
Are you putting it in front of a transistor amp or are you expecting fuzz instead of overdrive or what?

And J.'s voice is the worst thing about Dino.  Let Lou Sing!
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