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Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:28 »

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #1 on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:30 »

Don't tase me Bro!
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #2 on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:38 »

I figure the dude in question decided that simply not enough people are dying from taser-related injuries.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #3 on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:47 »

Would a taser shotgun effectively tase an entire crowd?
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #4 on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:50 »

I am unintimidated as my Taser Proof Jacket is already on order. Now I can speak foreign languages in Canadian airports without being fucking killed.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #5 on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:51 »

...What the hell?
Why is there a need for a taser-rifle?
I don't get it! Why is America (...the world) so fucked up??

...That was a rhetorial question.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #6 on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:52 »

I'm going to wait for the sawed-off version of this.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #7 on: 12 Feb 2008, 13:55 »

I think "unnecessary" applies more to this than anything in the history of ever
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #8 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:06 »

Tell me this thing's a joke. I mean, the promotional video didn't include any footage of the device in action, so maybe it's a hoax.

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #9 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:18 »

Guys, of course it's a joke. Notice no moving shots of the rifle since it's easier to shop that way. Also, that straight up just wouldn't work as a taser.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #10 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:23 »

ahem. If this is a joke it's a pretty elaborate one.
« Last Edit: 12 Feb 2008, 14:28 by negative creep »
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #11 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:26 »

Oh crap it is not a joke. I have to take the law more seriously now. I do not want to be pumped full of electricity.

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #12 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:52 »

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The TASER X12 Less-Lethal Shotgun is a fully integrated less-lethal platform manufactured by Mossberg that has been optimized for the TASER XREP eXtended Range Electronic Projectile.

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #13 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:54 »

Well, they can't say "non-lethal" anymore, because people have been killed by tasers.  That would be false-advertising!
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #14 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:55 »

I really do feel safer now.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #15 on: 12 Feb 2008, 14:57 »

While taser guns are not funny, newscasters volunteering to get tasered is funny.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #16 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:00 »

Well, they can't say "non-lethal" anymore, because people have been killed by tazers.  That would be false-advertising!

Eh, you still have to agree that their track record is better than that of full on firearms.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #17 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:06 »

Being as a taser would be useless in the zombie apocalypse for dealing with zombies, I'm am in no way interested in them or their shotgun form, which seems like a useless waste of resources that could be better spent*. That said, with tags like "less-lethal" or "non-lethal" it seems police forces are using advances in taser technology as free license to go ahead and use them whether truly necessary or not. I mean, what could happen right? Not like its gonna kill the guy**.



*See building an actual shotgun.
**Probably not kill him, anyway.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #18 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:16 »

Don't tase me Bro!

You. Off my Internet.
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« Reply #19 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:26 »

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #20 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:27 »

Taser... shotgun?
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #21 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:30 »

Tommy, I will end you.

But I'll make sure to use a less-lethal weapon so people won't be scared.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #22 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:31 »

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #23 on: 12 Feb 2008, 15:36 »

I've read some pretty interesting stuff about how taser technology basically just encourages police and security guards to use vastly higher levels of casual violence.

I'm failing to really grasp the tactical purpose of this weapon. Do you turn the firehoses on the crowd first, then pump some of these in, turning the whole load into one spasming heap?
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #25 on: 12 Feb 2008, 16:21 »

this is worse

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« Reply #26 on: 12 Feb 2008, 16:23 »

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #27 on: 12 Feb 2008, 16:27 »

Awesome, now I can put something on my bedside gun rack besides my shotgun
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #28 on: 12 Feb 2008, 16:32 »

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« Reply #29 on: 12 Feb 2008, 16:37 »

I swear that's an epilator.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #30 on: 12 Feb 2008, 16:39 »

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #31 on: 12 Feb 2008, 16:43 »

I swear that's an epilator.

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #32 on: 12 Feb 2008, 17:09 »

The shotgun is just the delivery system. It's not fundamentally different from regular Tasers. In the shell is a complete Taser, battery, probes, wires and all. Basically, the Taser shotgun shoots an entire, tiny Taser at you instead of just the probes. The advantage is a slightly longer range and no wires. It comes out of a shotgun because they need a big barrel. Also, I guess it's pretty damn intimidating. They already have special rubber slugs and beanbag shells for shotguns.

Luckily, it's pretty damn expensive, so I doubt the police will be using it against citizens for fun, like they do regular Tasers.

Now, who trusts the police to make sure that their shotguns are loaded with Taser shells rather than 00 buck?
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #33 on: 12 Feb 2008, 17:13 »

Now, who trusts the police to make sure that their shotguns are loaded with Taser shells rather than 00 buck?

The slightly worrying thing is the system is actually designed not to accept regular shotgun shells. Which can only mean that this has actually happened. I can see the scene clearly in my head.

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #34 on: 12 Feb 2008, 18:13 »

I think the idea is actually more along the lines of lowest-common-denominator thinking. Like how a lot of police forces use Glocks because there is no safety other than one that is de-activated while pulling the trigger. Which, incidentally, can get set off if you get a shirt tail or something stuck in the trigger guard. And how some lockable doors will unlock when the knob is turned from the inside, in case someone is unable to remember how to turn a fucking lock. I have actually seen some of those that will unlock from both sides with the knob turn, which makes me wonder: What is the point?

I don't find it all that worrying, though I do agree that tasers encourage more casual violence, as hitting someone in the head with a nightstick makes the violence and damage somewhat more immediate and visible. I think the idea behind the taser shotgun was that people were getting killed by beanbag rounds, which can end up going like frizbees, and while you are supposed to shoot at parts where there are no vitals, police marksmanship isn't outstanding in any situation, much less where people might fight back, and they are likely to forget that, or think it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #35 on: 12 Feb 2008, 18:47 »

In the shell is a complete Taser, battery, probes, wires and all. Basically, the Taser shotgun shoots an entire, tiny Taser at you instead of just the probes.
This is why I thought it was a joke! That's got to be, like, incredibly ridiculously expensive, hasn't it?

I see the 'better than beanbags/rubbers' argument, but I'd really like to know the effects of a headshot. That is really the main weakness of rubber bullets; that they can kill with a good knock on the noggin. If these would be so kind as to bounce off of your scalp with just a scratch, I'd be a little more inclined to not call them absurd.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #36 on: 12 Feb 2008, 19:09 »

How much do they weigh, and how fast do they go? Concussive force is the problem with beanbags and rubber bullets.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #37 on: 12 Feb 2008, 19:20 »

I figure the dude in question decided that a smaller Taser just didn't make his dick feel big enough.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #38 on: 12 Feb 2008, 19:49 »

The shotgun is just the delivery system. It's not fundamentally different from regular Tasers. In the shell is a complete Taser, battery, probes, wires and all. Basically, the Taser shotgun shoots an entire, tiny Taser at you instead of just the probes. The advantage is a slightly longer range and no wires. It comes out of a shotgun because they need a big barrel. Also, I guess it's pretty damn intimidating. They already have special rubber slugs and beanbag shells for shotguns.

Quoted for truth. I'm betting there's actually two big reasons for why it's a shotgun: 1st reason: I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the real goal isn't so much a taser shotgun so much as it is a semi-automatic taser with decent range for riot control purposes. 2nd reason: Like Dennis said, shotguns have a big bore. They're great for less-lethal rounds because they're chambered for bulky, heavy ammunition but actually fire at relatively low velocities, making them perfect for a high volume but lightweight round that's designed to travel too slow to kill anyone but still travel a decent distance. I'm sure if they had the ability to make a semi-automatic pistol effective taser they'd be thrilled, apply for a patent and start making money hats, but in the meantime the shotgun would be the logical choice.

That said, I think tasers are kind of stupid. I'm generally of the opinion that if you're not willing to kill someone over something then the situation probably is not that big of a deal to begin with.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #39 on: 12 Feb 2008, 20:52 »

I'm generally of the opinion that if you're not willing to kill someone over something then the situation probably is not that big of a deal to begin with.

See, what bothers me about this statement is not the sentiment that there is no need for non-lethal force, but what it might imply about your willingness to kill.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #40 on: 12 Feb 2008, 21:10 »

The shotgun is just the delivery system. It's not fundamentally different from regular Tasers. In the shell is a complete Taser, battery, probes, wires and all. Basically, the Taser shotgun shoots an entire, tiny Taser at you instead of just the probes. The advantage is a slightly longer range and no wires. It comes out of a shotgun because they need a big barrel. Also, I guess it's pretty damn intimidating. They already have special rubber slugs and beanbag shells for shotguns.

Quoted for truth. I'm betting there's actually two big reasons for why it's a shotgun: 1st reason: I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the real goal isn't so much a taser shotgun so much as it is a semi-automatic taser with decent range for riot control purposes. 2nd reason: Like Dennis said, shotguns have a big bore. They're great for less-lethal rounds because they're chambered for bulky, heavy ammunition but actually fire at relatively low velocities, making them perfect for a high volume but lightweight round that's designed to travel too slow to kill anyone but still travel a decent distance. I'm sure if they had the ability to make a semi-automatic pistol effective taser they'd be thrilled, apply for a patent and start making money hats, but in the meantime the shotgun would be the logical choice.

That said, I think tasers are kind of stupid. I'm generally of the opinion that if you're not willing to kill someone over something then the situation probably is not that big of a deal to begin with.

See, this is what makes me worried that weapons like this will be the things we get shot with if shit goes completely down the tubes and we end up with a police state.  I can't think of any better way of capturing "enemies of the state" in some dystopic Brazil or V-for-Vendetta world than busting down the door and shooting them with one of these.  It plays into the psychological-breakdown scenario too well and it unnerves me slightly.

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #41 on: 12 Feb 2008, 21:14 »

There's something wrong with me.

Everyone else is arguing the ethics of this weapon (a less-lethal weapon is STILL a weapon); namely the fact that while shooting a normal shotgun shell at someone is completely out of line (even if it is "just" rock salt), shooting a miniature tazer is in that EXTRA muddy section of ethics.

Me? I saw this and immediately thought of Bioshock's shotgun with lightning bullets. Meaning this shotgun would be great for attacking Big Daddys.

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #42 on: 12 Feb 2008, 21:19 »

I actually thought the same thing at first, but I had the sense to pretend like I hadn't. Oh shit.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #43 on: 12 Feb 2008, 21:22 »

I, for one, could not be more excited.

what with this, and robots learning to lie, i might actually live to see the end of humanity as we know it.
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #44 on: 12 Feb 2008, 21:52 »

So it fires a contained slug with 3 (whatever the things fletchers make) thingies with some spikes in the tip and when it hits it puts a current through the metal bits?

I guess I am quite alone in thinking this is an awesome idea. Much rather get hit with that than a real shotgun-buckshot-shellcontents-thingies, Still gotta hurt like a mu'fucker on impact (bean bag+spikes) and then again when you start getting the whole zappy bit, I want one for shits and giggles.
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« Reply #46 on: 12 Feb 2008, 22:16 »

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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #47 on: 12 Feb 2008, 22:41 »


See, this is what makes me worried that weapons like this will be the things we get shot with if shit goes completely down the tubes and we end up with a police state.  I can't think of any better way of capturing "enemies of the state" in some dystopic Brazil or V-for-Vendetta world than busting down the door and shooting them with one of these.  It plays into the psychological-breakdown scenario too well and it unnerves me slightly.

I probably should not have read that manual the CIA used for interrogator training.

See, I guess I just find such worries a non-issue because I'm pretty sure that in your average dystopia they'll just go with the much more economical buckshot, AKs and nightsticks.  :oops:
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #48 on: 12 Feb 2008, 23:42 »

As a cyclist, all I can say to that is:

"Ow."

Yes. It would make for quite the bumpy ride.  Plus, that seat would be terribly uncomfortable (and the possiblity of splinters...yeesh)
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Re: Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
« Reply #49 on: 13 Feb 2008, 02:29 »

This kid is ahead of the curve. That bike is taser proof
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