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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #350 on: 14 Mar 2008, 23:51 »

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« Reply #351 on: 14 Mar 2008, 23:53 »

And now we come back full circle to old men again.
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« Reply #352 on: 14 Mar 2008, 23:53 »

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« Reply #353 on: 14 Mar 2008, 23:54 »

PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #354 on: 14 Mar 2008, 23:57 »

Guys why arnt you on Gabbly?  it is painfully empty.

Also WOO STUFF EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT IN THIS THREAD
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #355 on: 15 Mar 2008, 03:04 »

Further comments.

First of all, I think it would be pretty ridiculous to uphold the inhalation of hot carbonized vegetable particulates as a healthy activity.  It's not healthy to smoke anything.  The possibility that THC might actually have a preventative effect on lung cancer definitely warrants further study but hasn't been confirmed, although the results of the most recent research are a pretty telling exoneration of marijuana from a carcinogenic standpoint.

Oh, and marijuana does not need to be smoked.  Vaporization is a substantial improvement from the point of view of the lungs, and choosing to cook with it and bypass the respiratory system altogether can effectively reduce negative health effects to nil (although eating pot has been known to fuck people who are not careful completely out of their heads for hours on end ... it's not hard to moderate dosage but if you somehow utterly fail and eat way more pot food than you should, you're not going to come down for the better part of a full day.)

I honestly don't believe that long-term psychological effects of marijuana are generalizable to any extent.  Some people will become losers and slobs.  Some people will just tend to be more artsy.  There's no way to tell whether any given person will react well to the prospect of regular usage ... and even those who opt for heavy and regular use are sometimes also extremely productive and mentally active people (at least in my experience).  I don't think it could reasonably be said that someone who smoked a joint a day every day for 5 years would be the same afterwards, but I also don't think it could be reasonably said that there is any way in which they would be reliably and measurably worse off for it.  Some people probably would.  Others wouldn't.

Simply put, weed's really not something to worry about.  You are not going to suffer any serious health problems, short-term or long-term, if you use it in any kind of moderation (and especially not if you vaporize or eat it).  You shouldn't get worried about your friends if they use it, unless you have a deep and persisting mistrust of their ability to take any kind of reasonable care of their life.  It's not a big deal and there are so many more damaging habits out there that anyone whose worst vice is that they are always smoking weed is probably better off than anyone who went that deep into just about any other drug.
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #356 on: 15 Mar 2008, 03:53 »

I got a goat for my birthday once.
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« Reply #357 on: 15 Mar 2008, 06:04 »

Simply put, weed's really not something to worry about.  You are not going to suffer any serious health problems, short-term or long-term, if you use it in any kind of moderation (and especially not if you vaporize or eat it).  You shouldn't get worried about your friends if they use it, unless you have a deep and persisting mistrust of their ability to take any kind of reasonable care of their life.  It's not a big deal and there are so many more damaging habits out there that anyone whose worst vice is that they are always smoking weed is probably better off than anyone who went that deep into just about any other drug.

Well said. I think you just made the same point about weed as I was trying to make about alcohol, actually.

Still, if one of them is legal and one of them is not, I know which one i'm going to stick to. For me, it's not worth the risk of being caught and given a criminal record just for the sake of trying something different, when I can enjoy a perfectly legal beer instead.
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« Reply #358 on: 15 Mar 2008, 07:13 »

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« Reply #359 on: 15 Mar 2008, 08:25 »

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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #360 on: 15 Mar 2008, 08:41 »

I feel you guys are missing the true essence of this thread somewhat.

Or am I in fact the one who is missing the true essence of this thread?

It's a conundrum indeed.
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« Reply #361 on: 15 Mar 2008, 11:30 »

Guys my boogers are making my nose feel weird. What should I do?
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« Reply #362 on: 15 Mar 2008, 11:43 »

When people say "I don't do pot" I always laugh because that is like someone saying "I don't do cigarettes" or "I don't do apples" because you eat an apple and you smoke pot you don't do pot.

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You can do tobacco because there are many ways to partake in it. You can do marijuana for the same reason, though admittedly for either smoking is the most common option. Personally, if I ever did marijuana, I'd be far more likely to eat some baked goods rather than smoke it.

Alternatively, you can really only eat apples.
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« Reply #363 on: 15 Mar 2008, 11:47 »

Lies!

You can also chuck them at shit and they explode!
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #364 on: 15 Mar 2008, 11:49 »

Primary school taught me they make amusing alternatives to footballs.
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #365 on: 15 Mar 2008, 11:56 »

This might just seem silly but I know people who swear by apples as ... instruments for smoking weed.
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« Reply #366 on: 15 Mar 2008, 13:21 »

Apple bongs are a childish novelty.

Also the reason saying you do weed sounds so ridiculous is that it is such a vague verb that it doesn't really give any context whatsover to the noun. I mean if you really wanted to say "I partake in marijuana in several different forms depending on my mood" you can always just say "I grill like a mad sucker" and people will understand you.
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #367 on: 15 Mar 2008, 13:21 »

Onewheelwizard, I want to thank you for your eloquent, well researched posts on this topic.  They've led me, finally, to the conclusion that my personal aversion to weed is not at all a matter of worry about health concerns or what it might do to my ability to make good decisions or how it might affect me emotionally (and that it never really was about any of those things, though I sometimes told myself as much).  Instead, it's for these two reasons:

(1) My only experience with weed to date was when I was thirteen and accidentally ate a pot cookie, which my parents had left unmarked in the freezer.  I completely freaked out, because I had an appointment with my optometrist within an hour, and I was sure that it was going to be completely obvious when he looked at my eyes.  My dad told me to drink a bunch of milk to counter the effects; I did and subsequently felt nauseous (probably because of all the milk).  Thus, I associate pot intake with freaking out and stomach aches.  Whoops!

(2) I really don't like the way it smells when smoked, just as I don't like the smell of gardenias or cabbage or bologna (and I've smelled weed pretty much daily for about ten years).

Thus, it's okay with me that my boyfriend gets high and my friends all get high and my parents get high.  Good for them!
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #368 on: 15 Mar 2008, 13:33 »

I wonder what a pot Falafel would taste like.
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« Reply #369 on: 15 Mar 2008, 13:51 »

If falafel is what I think it is, it'd probably taste the same as a normal falafel. Those things are very flavourful.
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« Reply #370 on: 15 Mar 2008, 17:01 »

I would eat weed-laced strawberry yogurt. Strawberry yogurt is delicious.
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« Reply #371 on: 15 Mar 2008, 19:10 »

Man, your dad must have been so high to think that drinking milk would make you less stoned.
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #372 on: 15 Mar 2008, 19:29 »

This thread has made me want to try pot, which I can honestly say has never held an interest for me.
There are 3 reasons I don't want to:

1)  I cannot bear the smell of the smoke.  tobacco or weed regardless, it makes me physically ill.

2)  I do not even like the feeling of being drunk (hence why i don't really drink), I like to be in control of myself.  this is probably the biggest issue.

3)  I don't like things being illegal!  i don't let my boyfirend smoke pot because well, it would make me ill, but also because I live in this bizzarre fear of him being arrested.

Man, I make too many problems for everything.
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« Reply #373 on: 15 Mar 2008, 19:36 »

I never found pot to be very much fun to be honest. Mostly, it just made me sit there grinning like an idiot and laughing about stupid things. My old roomie always told me I needed to try it more often to really experience what it can do, but it just never impressed me enough to continue. Not having ever been a smoker, I never had much fun breathing smoke either. Considering that pot is illegal, I'd rather be using a more fun drug for the risk, like morphine. IMO nothing beats liquid morphine and some valium. Except maybe a gin and tonic with morphine in it.
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« Reply #374 on: 16 Mar 2008, 14:32 »

2)  I do not even like the feeling of being drunk (hence why i don't really drink), I like to be in control of myself.  this is probably the biggest issue.

That's why I don't drink much either. I'm not about to give up my control over my body and my actions, for anything. That's why I prefer pot, though I don't drink or smoke on anything resembling a regular basis. Like I said before, at least when you're high on pot you maintain some kind of wherewithal and rational thought process. The same's not true for being drunk off your ass.
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« Reply #375 on: 16 Mar 2008, 15:45 »

2)  I do not even like the feeling of being drunk

Completely different feeling. When you're drunk, you don't know how fucked up you are. When you're high, you know damn well that you're high.

An interesting effect that weed had on me was that you feel like you've got Parkinson's disease, but you really aren't shaking at all. I found that out when I was pouring milk over my cereal afterward (the first of three huge bowls, heh). I was absurdly careful while I was pouring because OH FUCK I CAN'T HOLD THE CARTON STEADY WHAT AM I GOING TO DO.

I think that's actually what made me feel like I was so hungry, because I was shaking like I hadn't eaten for an entire week or something.

I never found pot to be very much fun to be honest. Mostly, it just made me sit there grinning like an idiot and laughing about stupid things.

Grinning and laughing are fun, I dunno what you consider to be fun.

I can tell you this much: If my friend wants to smoke after I get off work, I probably will. And when we do, we will eat a metric fuckton. And when I do, I will finally gain weight. If it works for people with cancer (it does, I've seen it), it can work for me!
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #376 on: 16 Mar 2008, 19:11 »

When you're drunk, you don't know how fucked up you are.

Don't you? I sure as hell do. It's a subtle combination of the way my vision goes fuzzy, my reaction times drop, my sense of balance gets thrown off and I have to concentrate to hear people properly. On the plus side, I relax, my sense of humour improves and there's a constant fizzy feeling at the back of my head.

It's like sensory deprivation but in a good way.
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« Reply #377 on: 16 Mar 2008, 19:29 »

If you consider being stupid good. Like I said before I enjoy a couple of drinks sometimes, at a social gathering or with friends, which helps me be more extroverted. Being drunk means you can't really think, certainly not in a logical and usual way, and can't control your body very well.
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« Reply #378 on: 16 Mar 2008, 20:17 »

Since I still have a degree of control when I drink, as I do not push my limit, I am like Switchblade. I can tell exactly how drunk I am by how much things make me laugh and how slow my motor skills become. It's not that my brain stops working, because I still make conscious decisions. Like when I was drunk and jumped into the pool fully clothed (everyone else was naked and I didn't want to get naked), I had enough sense to take off my shoes and belt, because I didn't want the metal on my belt to rust. In retrospect, the belt didn't make much sense, but the shoes bit did.
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Re: Get off my lawn!
« Reply #379 on: 16 Mar 2008, 21:32 »

Alternatively, you can really only eat apples.
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« Reply #380 on: 16 Mar 2008, 21:39 »

I'll join my voice to those saying that pot doesn't remove your control over yourself nearly as much as alcohol.

From a standpoint of physical coordination, you have to be REALLY stoned before you start losing motor control.  Like, more stoned than is even close to reasonable.  It barely ever happens, in my experience.  Drunk people are often liable to at least be clumsy, and sometimes be outright falling over themselves, but the only way I've seen people get that stoned is by eating too many brownies, and that generally just results in being locked to the couch anyway.  You're almost certainly not going to accidentally injure yourself (and I know there are several people here who have stories about doing that while drunk, I certainly do).

A step up from simple motor control is fine-tuned coordination (like riding a bike or driving a car) and again, being stoned doesn't impair you nearly as much as being drunk.  I can ride a unicycle with one foot while stoned completely out of my head, and I can barely get on the thing while drunk.  I'm also OK with riding shotgun with a stoned driver ... I've been driven around by stoned friends on many occasions, and they and just about everyone else I've ever talked to about it says that being high just makes you concentrate more.  Here's a video that gives a good perspective on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJx0GqR3P_o

Somehow, though, I don't think this is necessarily what people are worried about when they talk about "losing control of themselves" ... enough people have horror stories about making huge mistakes while under the influence that any sort of inebriation or intoxication suggests to people that they might do something they will regret if they alter their mind.  Clearly, saying that this will always happen is as foolish as saying that it will never happen ... but again, in my personal experience, weed doesn't impair judgment the same way alcohol does.  I mean, it is capable of reducing inhibitions, in a certain way.  But I wouldn't characterize it the same way.  It's definitely a personal thing, so I'm not going to say anything definite, but ... well, I can't remember any time off the top of my head when I or anyone I know has looked back at a terrible decision thinking "Oh man, I can't believe I did that ... I was so stoned, I didn't know what was going on, what was I thinking?"  I think it's safe to say that pot does not cloud a person's judgment to any unsettling, unsafe, or scary extent, but your mileage may vary, so it's a good idea to be in a familiar setting and around people you trust if you're going to smoke or otherwise ingest weed, at least until you're comfortable with what being stoned is like.

Basically, if you are thinking about using THC to alter your mind, here is what you can probably expect: disturbance in time perception, a higher sensitivity for the absurd, a heightened appreciation for art and music (or, to use less loaded language, a tendency to let yourself focus on a piece or art or music rather more exclusively and intently than you otherwise would ... whether this is "appreciation" obviously depends on whether or not you actually enjoy what you're paying attention to), some muddling of the thoughts (or alternately, increased clarity, depending on what you're thinking about), and some interesting sensory feelings that will almost certainly be pleasant (feeling "floaty" is common).  It can act as a social lubricant and make your more talky and friendly, or it can draw you inward and just make you think a lot and not really interact with people very much ... a lot of people don't like it because they tend to react in the latter fashion, but I rather like smoking on my own and enjoying that aspect of it, especially right before bed.  People also say that pot makes you paranoid, which I have only found to be true in a very small minority of situations, but it's certainly possible (especially if you're not really familiar with the drug) ... overall I'd call it a bit of a myth but every so often I find a little truth to it.

Things not to expect: blurry vision, slurred speech, poor motor control, and a hangover.  You might make just as much of a fool of yourself as if you were drunk, but it'll be a much safer and friendlier foolishness (you probably won't be really offensive without realizing it, just really silly) and you'll probably be quite conscious of how silly you look and laugh along with everyone.

Maybe this will help people understand why so many folks prefer weed to alcohol.  I certainly do.
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« Reply #381 on: 17 Mar 2008, 00:31 »

No no no no no no.  Seriously guys, please do not get into cars with stoned drivers, or let your friends drive around stoned, (British youtube videos aside).  It's totally beside the point here whether or not it's worse or different or whatever than other intoxicants, it's still an intoxicant that pretty manifestly interferes with your ability to operate heavy machinery.  Please, please do not do this  :|
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« Reply #382 on: 17 Mar 2008, 00:35 »

Yeah... maybe you are right, onewheel, but I am not letting someone I know to be under the influence of just about anything drive me around, whether it is alcohol, weed, hallucinogens (definitely not hallucinogens), or even just being too tired. I might be more careful than I need to be, but I would rather be more careful than I need to be than not careful enough.
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« Reply #383 on: 17 Mar 2008, 01:01 »

I know better than to get into a car with someone who's been drinking, and there was one time that I was forced into a situation in which I was in a car and everyone including the driver was tripping, and that was a terrible idea as well and we all knew it and we all breathed a huge collective sigh of relief when we got home and agreed never to do anything like it again.  Never do either of those things, ever.  Also, I would actually say that sleep deprivation is considerably more dangerous than marijuana when it comes to driving, so avoid that too.

But in all seriousness!  Maybe I just hang out with a lot of huge stoners (true story, come to think of it) but in my experience, someone who has been smoking pot (and nothing else) is generally good to drive (and furthermore, will know if they're not).  This is assuming I trust their driving skill to begin with!  Some people I know can't drive no matter what.  But if I trust someone to drive safely under normal circumstances, and I have recently smoked with them, and both of us have a good idea of how altered we are, and my trustworthy friend tells me "I am capable of driving you wherever we need to go, despite that joint we just smoked," and I say "Are you sure?" and they say "Yes, I am sure," I will get in the car with them.

I definitely think people need to have smoked a lot of weed in their life before they can know that they're good to drive after smoking.  If you don't have a lot of familiarity with being high, I wouldn't trust you to operate machinery in that state.  But people who smoke a lot as part of their lifestyle are generally quite comfortable with being stoned in general and it really does not interfere with their ability to function completely normally.  I think you'd be absolutely amazed at the number of people who drive around safely after (or even during) smoking weed.  Yes, there are incidents in which someone has smoked AND drank, or a 17-year-old who has only been high once or twice smokes too much, and in situations like that, the driver is absolutely impaired to the point of being a danger on the road.  But for the most part, stoned drivers almost unanimously drive more slowly and carefully and with more intent focus than sober drivers.  I've been passed too many joints in too many passenger seats to make a blanket statement saying that all stoned people are incapable of driving safely.  Shit, I've known people who can roll, light, and smoke a joint while driving and STILL drive better than most people I know throughout the whole process.

Basically the biggest risk in driving stoned is getting lost.  Obeying traffic laws correctly and not crashing into anything won't be hard, but knowing where you're going might be a challenge.  (Again, though, I can't stress enough that this only becomes true through a long history of being comfortable with being high.  Sure, there are people who are high all day long from the moment they wake up and still drive to work every day without even the slightest trouble, but the reason they can drive high without trouble is that they're high so often.  You could reasonably say that the safety of driving stoned is a direct function of the THC tolerance of the driver.)
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« Reply #384 on: 17 Mar 2008, 02:31 »

I'm just passing on what I've been told, by people and sources that I trust implicitly (and with good reason), and what I've experienced for myself. Although you can't cite anecdotal evidence in a research paper, it really ought not to be discounted in this kind of a discussion because it's being used to underpin valid points.

My own experience and research tells me that Marijuana is Bad, Alcohol is Not Bad (it's not necessarily Good, but few things are).  Clearly you have arrived at a different conclusion, and I suspect that there's little I can do to change your mind.
Switchblade, supporting an argument on anecdotal evidence is like trying to float a pebble on water. Sure, if you give it enough spin in the right direction, you can make it skip along the surface for a while, but it eventually sinks.

Notice how your trust in your sources is the reason you think we can't discount your points, but think more on it: how can you expect us to have similar trust in you? Your own experience is a fine reason to make a decision for yourself, but I, for one, know that personal experiences are subject to self-deception (rationalizing) and illusion.

It's not that you can't change my mind, but that my mind won't be changed just because you say so. You'll need some real evidence.

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You've misinterpreted me here, I'm afraid. I was actually refuting the argument that medical groups are biased by pharmaceutical corporations giving them money, not supporting it. My argument was "Even if that is the case, it cannot be the case in this situation because there is no drug for them to push that has any effect". Maybe the tone was cynical, but it certainly wasn't meant to be in support of the statement that

If you think doctors don't push drugs to get money from big pharmaceutical companies then you're living in imaginary land my friend. At least here in the U.S. medical organizations and care providers get BIG MONEY for pushing certain drugs.
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I agree with you, dennis, that this statement is incredibly cynical and insulting to the profession of medicine.
What are you afraid of?

Anyway, my apologies, I did misinterpret your statement.

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See, this is the problem - Alcohol gets you killed quickly, weed doesn't. What it instead does is cause long-term health problems that don't show up until years or even decades later. I'd wager that the percentage of cancer-related deaths that were ultimately triggered by marijuana use is surprisingly high, for example.

The thing is, this serves to camouflage the risk it poses. Because it's not an immediate and obvious cause of death, it's easy to overlook.
It's also easy to pretend that cannabis has long-term risks that haven't come up yet. Also, if alcohol kills you quickly, why is alcohol "Not Bad"?

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Besides (this is purely my opinion this time, I have little to no evidence to back it up)

It's been your opinion (and the opinions that you are repeating, there isn't really a difference) this whole time!

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I reckon that the major reason that alcohol is such a big cause of death in the States is at least partially founded in the country's attitude towards it. If you treat Alcohol as this Big Bad Scary Thing that should be avoided, Then the attitude towards it shifts. Round here, a single beer at lunchtime is nothing out of the ordinary (assuming you're having it as part of a meal, at least). On the other hand, from what I gather in certain social circles in the US, drinking quite often revolves around getting as drunk as possible as quickly as possible. I bet if you study the demographic of alcohol-related deaths, you'll discover a pattern - the vast majority will be in their early 20's, having only just been introduced to legal drinking, been thrust in at the deep end, and wound up doing something very dumb (like drinking waaaay too much) because they just didn't know how to cope.
Binge drinking happens everywhere.

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Alcohol generally only kills people because they get stupid when they drink too much of it. That's not an inherent flaw with the drink, rather the flaw belongs to the way people treat the drink and handle its effects. Weed, on the other hand, does Bad Stuff to you even when you don't have a lot of it. It won't (usually) make you do stupid stuff, sure, but it will inevitably affect your health in the long term - Alcohol only does that if you don't handle it responsibly and drink far too much.
Alcohol will kill people directly if they drink too much of it. It's called alcohol poisoning and it makes up a large fraction of alcohol-related deaths. This is not to mention diseases like cirrhosis of the liver which can be caused by alcohol, and other less obvious damage caused by the drug.

True, every time cannabis is smoked, some tar is deposited in the lungs, your teeth get a little dirtier, and you expose yourself to a lot of possibly nasty chemicals. However, these are the negative health effects of smoking, which is only one of the many ways cannabis may be used. I have no problem with the statement that smoking causes health problems. It does.
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« Reply #385 on: 17 Mar 2008, 05:26 »

Seriously guys, please do not get into cars with stoned drivers

Hahaha too late. I was stoned myself though, and I was able to pay attention to the road as a passenger, so eh. That was the funniest damn car ride ever, though. We talked about politics, specifically about how all the world's problems could be solved with a single nuke to Moscow.

When you're drunk all you talk about is "fuiosjerimfashitfuck im drunkoklpok fuckfkijng haell i cant stasnd uop okhsretmgggggaerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

When you're drunk, you don't know how fucked up you are.

Don't you? I sure as hell do. It's a subtle combination of the way my vision goes fuzzy, my reaction times drop, my sense of balance gets thrown off and I have to concentrate to hear people properly.

Oh, no, I know I am fucked up, I'm not saying that. I just don't know how fucked up I truly am until the next day. Whereas when I got high (for some reason I stayed that way for 15 hours, holy fuck), I was still high at work, but I was able to function properly. I could work with the fry vat, I could do anything normally, I just was a lot more grinny than usual. Which turned out to work wonders on my drive-thru customers, because they were like "Well you're mighty chipper today!" and it cheered them up.

This clearly means that everybody who works in the service industry should go to work high, amirite
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« Reply #386 on: 17 Mar 2008, 06:51 »

Like many in this thread, I don't consume pot because of its illegality.  The couple of times that I did get high, I certainly didn't find any thing worth going to jail or losing a job over.  I was in a mellow mood, giggled a lot, got hungry, ate a lot, and then went to sleep.  In fact, both times, in the middle of being high, I got tired of it and wanted it to wear off.  Still, I think it should be legalized and treated exactly very, very similar to alcohol.  Then, it would provide another cash crop, a new source of taxes, and could be used medically.
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« Reply #387 on: 17 Mar 2008, 07:34 »

I'd suggest that we lay off; we're dangerously close to - or past - turning this into a political debate.

I think we can pretty much agree to disagree:

blah blah fucking balh blah hurrrr waste of space

There are few things that annoy me more than people suggesting we let a subject die or agree to disagree and THEN spout their opinion. Seriously, there's no more blatant and shallow attempt at getting in one's word and then pretending you're the bigger man for wanting to "move on." Because of that, I skipped over much of your post.

The other reason I skipped most of it is because you tried to justify the pot is bad issue by linking to a site with a dot gov. Seriously, you want me to take the word of a government run sight on whether or not pot is bad for me? El oh fucking el.

Anyways, the main crux of the argument from my point of view:

If you don't wanna smoke pot, don't smoke pot. If you don't like pot, cool. If you don't see the upside as being worth the trouble, cool. If you don't wanna fuck with John Law, cool. If you are avoiding pot on a principle relating to it being scary or bad for you, but you drink? Yeah, I probably think you're kind of a putz.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be in control of your body and maintain peak health. On the other hand, if you're basing your entire decision on the basis of "drugs are bad, m'kay," then you're basing your decision on a load of BULKSHIT. Especially if you drink. If you enjoy drinking and don't see it as exceptionally harmful for your body, avoiding pot on because you think it's bad for you makes you an absolute tit.

Vaguely related, I totally feel Patrick on the "POT OMNOMNOM." I still vividly remember my first experience with pot. It was only about two years ago. I had a few hits off a pipe with my ex and all I could do for the next hour was shovel Cheez-Its. When I finally got up off my ass again, it was to find more food. If you're a fat kid and you don't wanna get fatter, that's a good enough reason to not smoke pot. I've gained like twenty pounds since I started smoking and drinking. On the other hand, I was underweight before I started and now I'm fit as a fiddle, so to speak.
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« Reply #388 on: 17 Mar 2008, 07:49 »

my first experience with pot involved smoking way too much followed by several hours of hallucinations and completely freaking out. the next day i found out it had been laced with pcp. i guess i was maybe 14 at the time.

this is probably the main reason i don't smoke pot anymore but am pretty much okay with anyone else doing it. i've smoked lots since then but it just never sits quite right with me.  last year i finally decided to quit altogether since clearly it was kind of a waste of money,
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« Reply #389 on: 17 Mar 2008, 08:23 »

Yeah, that exact thing happened to some friends of mine, but they brought it on themselves. They bought it in from a guy they didn't know in an incredibly sketchy neighborhood.. I've been lucky, really. There's been only two occasions I've gotten pot from people I didn't know and one time it was really good and the other it was really crappy, but never have I had anything laced. The really good pot I bought from a stranger was an occasion of asking for trouble. We bought it off some dude with a really obscure name (I wish I could remember, it was one of those names you know exists but you never meet, like Conrad or something) on a beach in Cape Cod for like fifteen bucks. Other than taking a while to kick in, it was a good time.
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« Reply #390 on: 17 Mar 2008, 09:59 »

Eugene thinks my 15-hour high was laced weed. I wouldn't know the difference, I've only smoked twice, and the first time I didn't get high at all.
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« Reply #391 on: 17 Mar 2008, 10:00 »

Sounds that way. I've never had a high last more than a few hours. Fifteen seems a bit ridiculous for standard weed.
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« Reply #392 on: 17 Mar 2008, 19:03 »

Also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1068625.stm

"However, reaction times to motorway hazards were not significantly affected."

Guys basically being high just makes you really, really careful. And you drive slower than normal.

edit: I still am not advocating driving stoned, just saying it is not the worst thing in the world.
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« Reply #393 on: 18 Mar 2008, 01:57 »

I've only smoked twice, and the first time I didn't get high at all.

well im pretty sure its normal not to get high the first time

but does anybody know any ways to make sure you get high the first time? ive never smoked before but i know im smoking at the end of the sememster for a silver mt zion and a i wanna make sure i feel it. tips?
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« Reply #394 on: 18 Mar 2008, 02:05 »

I wouldn't recommend your first time smoking to be out in public. Get some friends together and practice beforehand!
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« Reply #395 on: 18 Mar 2008, 02:12 »

I've smoked pot a few times, my brother has a pretty regular supply so it's almost always available. I honestly don't believe it is that bad for you and I know it's much better than alcohol and that is coming from someone who is in training as a psychologist. Being high for me just makes me sleepy and giggly. I'm not really all that big on it anymore and I never smoke it during the semester just because I find that it generally leaves me feeling like shit for a couple of days but I reckon it's probably the least dangerous drug available. That said I want nothing to do with anything harder than pot and I don't even like talking to people who take a shitload of drugs (outside of rehabilitation centres which is probably where I will be working for a bit when I finish uni). However I am firmly of the opinion that if you want to take drugs and you have actually done the appropriate research on them then go for your life. I think it's a bad decision but it is of course, yours to make.
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« Reply #396 on: 18 Mar 2008, 07:14 »

One downside: if you've ever used illegal drugs, you can never be in the FBI or CIA.

Fuck it, I don't wanna be a G-man anyway.
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« Reply #397 on: 18 Mar 2008, 09:10 »

That is untrue.   If they every catch you lying about former drug use, you can be denied the necessary security clearances.   Having smoked a joint or two as a kid isn't enough to preclude you from the clearances.   In fact, when you're doing your security interview(s) and/or lifestyle poly they look at you pretty funny if you say you've never done drugs.  That's a red flag for them right there to dig a little.
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« Reply #398 on: 18 Mar 2008, 09:13 »

Nah, dude, CIA and FBI clearances are different from regular Fed clearances. I know people with both.
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« Reply #399 on: 18 Mar 2008, 10:49 »

Nah, dude, CIA and FBI clearances are different from regular Fed clearances. I know people with both.
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