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[Fargo]

Hello,

NoBrandCon is Wisconsin's premiere and largest anime, gaming, video gaming, general nerdery convention and we are held in Eau Claire Wisconsin annually. I am the current Head of Art for the convention and am looking for willing aid. If you can come to meetings on Thursdays starting September in Davies Center on the UWEC - Eau Claire campus, that is great but not required. If you wish to submit art to us; we need tee-shirt designs, flyer designs, submissions for the NoBrandComic, bumper sticker designs, art for the program guide, and more. This coming year's (2009's) topic/theme is 'NoBrandCon is Spaaaaaaaace!' We welcome any and all submissions and I can be reached for questions/suggestions/submissions/et cetera at [email protected]. This is not an ad for the convention, merely a notice to artists who wish to be published and/or recognized.

Also, if you are interested and available for instant work, we need an advertisement (8.5" x 5") and a flyer (8.5" x 11") for Kakkoicon.

Thank You,

Fargo aka Art Head NoBrandCon 2009

[Cartilage Head]

 How much are you willing to pay

[Fargo]

Hello,

This is not a pay for play contract kind of thing. It is more of a 'for the pride of being published' or 'the honor of volunteering your skills' kind of thing.

Signed,

Fargo

[ThePQ4]

NoBrandCon makes me sad. Weeaboos are everywhere that weekend. I swear, I wanted to kill the girl in the homemade kimono that came through my line at work that Saturday morning.

Oh, and dude, I think there are only like two other people even remotely close to Eau Claire, me being one of them, and I won't have anything to do with NoBrandCon, when I can just go to the bigger con in the cities the weekend before.And I don't think the other person even likes Anime/Manga/Japan.

[Fargo]

Hello,

Well I am sorry you had issues with one of the congoers this year, but we (NoBrandCon) are not merely an anime convention. We also run gaming, videogaming, and other general science fiction events too. Although, anime is one of our big items. Also, we are not like other conventions in that we get involved in the con a whole lot more. We have storylines for each year, we have mascots running around, we do the variety show, et cetera. Most other conventions do not do that kind of stuff. Next, I assume you mean Detour, while it is a great convention and I have attended for the past four Detours, I do nt think it competes with NoBrandCon. They are two very different conventions. Plus, I must defend the anonymous congoer in that not everyone can afford a professional costume or has the skills to make their own so it is a little mean-spirited and pretentious (not the precise word I want but close enough) to deride her/him for that. However, I wish you would think about coming but if NoBrandCon is not your thing, so be it unfortunately.

Signed,

Fargo

[KharBevNor]

Protip: You get what you pay for, and if you are not willing to pay a single dollar for the artwork of what you purport to be a serious, organised convention, then you deserve some half-arsed deviantart crap full of comic sans and fail. This is rather like walking in to a garage, and expecting a mechanic to fix your car, providing all his own parts and labour, simply for the satisfaction of a job well done. This is not how the world works. A professional graphics designer or illustrator can spend anything up to five years in higher education, and proffessional quality art materials, software etc. is extremely expensive. To waltz on to a forum on which you have not even lurked and asking outright for about $300 worth of work (at least) done free demonstrates almost unbelievable hubris. Perhaps amongst fans of the convention, or your own personal friends, you might be able to swing it, but dude, seriously.

If you really are so fucking stingy that you won't pay out for quiality product, I suggest you either

a) go to deviantart with this shit. You'll get everything you need, though I would be incredibly surprised if it was all in the correct formats and resolutions for the purposes you require, and even more surprised if it didn't blow chunks.

b) start a competition on the forums, myspace, whatever for the convention itself. Offer some cheap-ass prize like t-shirts, or pocky, or the opportunity to feverishly lick the genitals of whatever third rate english-language Seiyuu's you may have managed to pursaude to attend.

Further note:

Signing yourself off in every post when the forum automatically arrays a signature block beneath each of your posts and displays your username is sheer dickery. Stop it at once or I shall be forced to attend your convention wearing only a three sizes too small Sailor Saturn outift and open fire into the crowd with a sawn off shotgun.

[IronOxide]

I did this one pro-bono.



More will cost ya.

[Trollstormur]

[Oli]

[KharBevNor]

Guys, you've melted my heart of ice, I must throw my own efforts into the fray.

[Trollstormur]

[Oli]

I'll be honest, my last submission was a bit of a joke. I am totally into this kind of thing though and I'd like the opportunity to submit a new picture. It's a serious piece of art and it reflects the Scottish temperment towards the convention world in a way that people the world over will understand, thus I hope it will (eventually) widen the appreciation of the convention to an international level. It is my dream to see my art publicly recognised and I will gladly accept no payment for it, this work is therefore submitted to the public domain and is anybodies to use and edit as they see fit.

It's a banner and I don't want to stretch the page out so just click here to see it.

[KvP]

Kyle Secor's pretty excited about this whole thing you guys are talking about.

[KharBevNor]

Very nice work there, but I think you're slightly misjudging the demographic. I've been on the phone to a market research team and they suggested the following changes:

[IronOxide]

I changed my mind, this one's on the house as well.

[KharBevNor]

I have used all my skills and training to combine the best features of the submissions so far to create, if I do say so myself, what might well be the pinnacle of modern western poster art:

[Fargo]

Hello,

Thank you for the rousing show of maturity and demeanor. Did I say I was looking for professional quality. No, you assumed that. Also, the NoBrandComic is not intended to be likened to the work of Miller or Moore or Watterson, it is just a chance for people to have their work seen by others. Added to that, we are not expecting someone to send us professional art for our flyers, banners, et cetera because we are a non-profit organization. We are not like Sogen or Kakkoicon which are run by corporations and can afford proffessional advertising. We are run on minimal funding by a volunteer staff of college students. Sorry, that we cannot afford to pay your commissioning fees you pretentious dinks. We are not expecting people to submit their masterwoks but any serious submissions are appreciated. Thank you for being mature and understanding.

Signed,

Fargo

[KharBevNor]

'dinks'?

Sweet Jesus boy!

Also, whilst I'm vaguely on the subject of the ridiculously pretentious waffle you are spouting to try and sound intelligent and professional (Which is far more hilarious than our posters could ever be, given your fantastically parochial ideas of what constitutes a major convention or a great artist), a few pointers:

1) 'demeanour' refers to the manner in which someone behaves, and communicates no value judgements about that behaviour. All people 'show demeanour' at all times. You should probably just have kept at 'maturity'. Maybe put an adjective in in front of 'demeanour'.

2) Sentences that are questions end with question marks.

3) Commission refers to a scheme for paying, for example, salespersons, where a certain amount of money is paid for each unit sold. You simply pay artists for providing a valued professional service, as you would anyone else. No additional words to try and make yourself look more intelligent are required.

4) 'Dinks' is not a real swear-word, and makes you sound like a 12 year old, or a hick, or both. Try something more weighty and universal such as 'cock-suckers', 'goat-rapists', 'shit-snorters' or 'piss-junkies'.

5) When attempting to employ sarcasm, it is best not to repeat ones-self. You used the word 'mature', or a derivation hence, twice, indicating a limited vocabulary. This is obviously against the main goal of your posts, which is to try and make it sound like you are a man of high intellectual capacity whilst failing hilariously.

Signed,

KharBevNor

[öde]

I suggest you find people that care about your convention.

Hugs and kisses,

öde.

[Fargo]

Hello,

To my understanding of the conversation, it was implied we were looking to commission an artist for multiple pieces. So I used the term commission. Also, you are most likely using a dictionary to provide your definitions which is fine except that it does not provide for the fact that language changes faster than dictioanries can be updated. 'Commission' has come to define the act of paying an artist or professional for a service you have defined; as in 'to commission a piece of art'. That was the definition I was using. I also used 'dink' because I assumed that the board, like many others, generally forbids swearing.

Signed,

Fargo

[Liz]

Khar, sometimes you make me angry but your replies in this thread have brought me nothing but happiness.

Thank you.

[benji]

Fargo, swearing is fine. Joining this forum just to promote an event that very few other people here are likely to care about isn't.
Sorry that that was unclear. Probably would have been a little more obvious if you had lurked a bit. Or looked at the responses to your own post, really. Several of those posters had the word Shit on them and one of them was posted by a mod.

[Teh Geek Lord]

I have to agree generally with what has been said by others so far, joining for the promotion of a small event doesn't really sooth the general populous here. 

I'd do what has been suggested, offer up some sort of prize, or something else to get interest in this thread, and its subsequent topic.



And off topic, I get the strange vibe that people here don't like deviant art?


Is there another art site to post and host your artwork?  And if that is the case, where can I do this?

I'd like to get my art out to the world, and any chance to do so would help.  Suggestions?

[Johnny C]

There's nothing wrong with DeviantArt and almost everything wrong with its userbase.

[KharBevNor]

dictioanries

'Dictionaries'

If you could spell, you could maybe also comprehend how someone could know what words mean without consulting a reference book.

To be quite honest, even if you had been the nicest person in the world and had come here merely to complement everyone, I would still fucking despise you for  formatting every single post like a fucking formal letter. Seriously, dude, if you ever want anyone on the internet to take you seriously, stop it.

[Teh Geek Lord]

There's nothing wrong with DeviantArt and almost everything wrong with its userbase.

Do you have another suggestion for an art hosting site?  I'd like to know if there are other sites that would be recommended.

(I apologize for the off-topic discussion) but this thread seems to be a runaway freight train bound for certain doom in a high velocity crash resulting in horrible pain, suffering, and catastrophe for this thread, so I guess it doesn't really matter at this point...

[Fargo]

Hello,

Sorry for the typo, however, that does not change the point about language changing faster than dictionaries do. Also, like I said, we are not a huge convention. We do not have crates of cash to throw around to convince people to send in art. Tne NoBrandComic was started as a way for people to be published and so people could get their work out. It was not created as a contest or competition to see who among our congoers has the best art. The convention runs on the kindness and altruism of volunteers and that is what I am looking for is people to volunteer their talent if they have the time and desire, people seem to think I am asking for top shelf work for no compensation. I am hoping for any positive response to this. If I were to get professional work from this, I would be ecstatic but I am not expecting that great of a response.

To KharBevNor, sorry if my format bothers you, it is just the style I am used to. I prefer being somewhat formal when talking to people and I bring that over to forums. I simply do not get why it bothers some people when I format myself this way.

Sincerely,

Fargo

[Liz]

It bothers people because this is an internet forum, not a corporate office. It's an opportunity to let loose! If you want to retain formalities, using proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling will pretty much be enough. Forums are just another form of conversation- when you're talking to someone in person, you wouldn't start each reply with "hello" and finish with you name, That would be ridiculous.

[IronOxide]

people seem to think I am asking for top shelf work for no compensation. I am hoping for any positive response to this. If I were to get professional work from this, I would be ecstatic but I am not expecting that great of a response.

I'm just saying that we have delivered professional work for no pay. I am actually offended that you are not considering my artwork seriously, just because Mr. BevNor has abused my copyrighted works (and will be hearing from my lawyer), I do not understand why you dismiss the legitimacy of my art.

Please reconsider my submissions, I do not believe you have given them a fair chance.

[Johnny C]

We're not being honest here, everyone.

Fella, what bothers everyone here is that it's pretty clear that you made this thread literally the moment you signed up. If you had spent some time to become a member of the community first we'd likely be glad to help you, but you didn't make that effort. Were I in your shoes, I wouldn't be overly surprised that there was a backlash.

[KharBevNor]

Sorry for the typo, however, that does not change the point about language changing faster than dictionaries do.

I very, very much doubt that the next quarterly update of the electronic version of the OED will have suddenly declared that the word 'commission' has completely changed its meaning overnight.

Also, like I said, we are not a huge convention.

NoBrandCon is Wisconsin's premiere and largest anime, gaming, video gaming, general nerdery convention

Wisconsin is bigger than my whole country. Make up your mind boy.

To KharBevNor, sorry if my format bothers you, it is just the style I am used to. I prefer being somewhat formal when talking to people and I bring that over to forums. I simply do not get why it bothers some people when I format myself this way.

Because it makes you sound like Baron Douchebag of Douchebagia, Most Sacred Knight of the Utter Prick. That is the basic reason.

[öde]

The convention runs on the kindness and altruism of volunteers and that is what I am looking for is people to volunteer their talent if they have the time and desire, people seem to think I am asking for top shelf work for no compensation.

Ask people that are going to the convention or otherwise want to be involved with it, I'm sure they'd love to help. This topic, however, is like running into a room of strangers and asking them to help you with a difficult and time consuming job that they have no interest in for free.

[Fargo]

Dictionaries rarely pick up new words or definitions quickly and I have been seeing that use of commission since I began going to conventions. Artists at conventions have been using it for at least five years from my experience. Also, to öde, the submissions to the comic do not have to be professionally done and ready for Marvel or Dark Horse. They can be something you tossed off for fun and would like others to read. As for the other work, yeah, a little I guess. But that is what the whole convention is. People working for free. Our webmaster is unpaid, our con director, secretary, treasurer, staff heads; unpaid. I was just looking for others willing to put in the effor tto run a con. Khar, Wisconsin may be large in land mass, our convention only got 1100 congoers in 2008. So while Wisconsin is larger than some European countries with a population of 5.5 million, that does not translate into huge congoer numbers.

Signed,

Fargo

[ThePQ4]

Also, like I said, we are not a huge convention.

NoBrandCon is Wisconsin's premiere and largest anime, gaming, video gaming, general nerdery convention

Wisconsin is bigger than my whole country. Make up your mind boy.

Not to egg the argument or anything, but the only reason he -can- call it Wisconsin's biggest Con is because it is Wisconsin's ONLY con...
(Or, the only one people actually talk about, around these parts, anyway).

[Teh Geek Lord]

Reading this entertains me for some reason, Thanks guys! 

[Oli]

something you tossed off for fun

Hurrr.

[Fargo]

There are other conventions in Wisconsin and there are those that have ended, we just happen to be the biggest right now. There is also Geek.Kon in Madison, Evercon, Westcon, and a few others in Milwaukee.

Signed,

Fargo

[KharBevNor]

Dictionaries rarely pick up new words or definitions quickly and I have been seeing that use of commission since I began going to conventions.

What this gentlemen is saying is that his knowledge of the English language is superior to the compilers of the Oxford English Dictionary.

Also, he has stopped using the hello! Now we just have to see how many times I have to call him a pompous arsebandit before he stops that ridiculous signing off shit.

[Oli]

Man, I feel pretty bad for you because I am not really one for seeing people take abuse.  Seriously though you have just came in here, not read any rules or lurked at all and asked for help for something which 99% of the people here are going to be able to attend, or will care about. I understand that trying to attract an audience to any sort of event you're organising is difficult to the point of frustrating, but do you really expect people to read a post in a forum from someone they've never heard of before and think "FUCK YEAH! That's for me!"? Basically what I am saying is that you should probably cut your losses. Arguing over trivalities because of injuries to your e-peen is not going to win over any support for your convention.

[öde]

<DICK><

You're really good at missing the point here. Go to a forum completely based on drawing that's populated by a load of kids that are into this. Ask them to help you. Go.

[Fargo]

Well, I thought that a board titled "Comics and Drawings" would be populated by people who like to draw and would not mind submiting work for the comic.

Signed,

Fargo

[IronOxide]

Essentially, you went for a big audience. You found the wrong one. Swing and a miss, try somewhere else.

We don't hate you, just some of your choices.

[KharBevNor]

Man, I hate him

[Fargo]

As this seems to have run its course an we are merely running in circles remaking our respective points again and again, I shall leave it at this. Everyone now knows where I stand and such and I know where everyone stands and I feel that this is getting me no closer to my ends butting heads with you over this.

"PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS." _{to quote the one true Willy Wanker.}

Fargo

[Teh Geek Lord]

As this seems to have run its course an we are merely running in circles remaking our respective points again and again, I shall leave it at this. Everyone now knows where I stand and such and I know where everyone stands and I feel that this is getting me no closer to my ends butting heads with you over this.

"Adieu, Auf Wiedersehen, Geshundheit." _{to quote the one true Willy Wonka}

Fargo

   if you can't take the heat....

GTFO!!!!

[öde]

Don't be a dick, Teh Geek Lord.

[KickThatBathProf]

That's kind of par for the course in this thread, though

[Ballard]

Seriously, dude, if you ever want anyone on the internet to take you seriously, stop it.

lol

[Trollstormur]

being mean is fun.

[est]

Sure is!  (Fargo is banned for spamming)