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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #50 on: 03 Jun 2008, 09:48 »

losing control on the way down would result in you plummeting to your death.

Which is why you don't lose control!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #51 on: 03 Jun 2008, 13:58 »

Here's a crazy descent: Clicky.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #52 on: 03 Jun 2008, 14:23 »

The flat areas can be dangerous as well

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/06/03/2004454741.jpg

A car collides into cyclists participating in a race in Mexico's northern border city of Matamoros, Sunday June 1, 2008. At least one person was killed and 14 injured when a driver slammed into a bicycle race.

Changed the picture to a link because it's quite distressing, especially given the fact that somebody died in the crash. - Inlander.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #53 on: 03 Jun 2008, 16:01 »

Here's a crazy descent: Clicky.

Oh dear oh dear, that's not a crazy descent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBxqUQa7jUo <-This is a crazy descent!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #54 on: 03 Jun 2008, 17:01 »

Wolf, that picture is horrible. It is like that amusing scene from Meet Joe Black but not funny at all.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #55 on: 03 Jun 2008, 17:31 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBxqUQa7jUo <-This is a crazy descent!

holy fucking shit, that part near the beginning where the guy is weaving through trees while zipping along a raised wooden walkway is possibly the most badass thing I've ever seen.

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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #56 on: 03 Jun 2008, 18:21 »

Lunchbox, you are right it is not funny, that's why I put the tag showing that someone died in the accident.  I put it up because when I saw it I couldn't stop thinking about it. How did no one see the car coming, why didn't the guy with the camera yell a warning, why wasn't the road closed to vehicles.The picture itself is just so unreal. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #57 on: 04 Jun 2008, 00:27 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBxqUQa7jUo <-This is a crazy descent!

holy fucking shit, that part near the beginning where the guy is weaving through trees while zipping along a raised wooden walkway is possibly the most badass thing I've ever seen.

...and that's mountain biking! :D
 
The guys in that video are all pro downhill racers, the thing is, you can try this at home. Just be sure be sure to wear the right protective gear. What the hell did I do before I discovered mountain biking :-) weeell sat on my ass in front of the computer on the inter wub, that's  what.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #58 on: 04 Jun 2008, 03:50 »

That looks like fun! The race crash is upsetting.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #59 on: 04 Jun 2008, 05:44 »

Phil what o you ride for a dh bike?  have you watched seasons yet?  It blows Roam and The collective out of the water.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #60 on: 04 Jun 2008, 11:20 »

Yeah I watched seasons, awesome stuff.Though I preferred the soundtrack of Roam. I certainly connected with Steve Peat's experience of a British winter  :-( As for what I ride, I ride a Specialized Enduro SL Pro (the 07 model). In fact that's me in my avatar on the bike at an MTB place called Chicksands in the UK. I also use the bike for cross country and 4x, gotta love an all-mountain bike :D lightweight for the climbs tough as hell for downhill.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #61 on: 04 Jun 2008, 17:02 »

cool man enduros are nice bikes.  I've heard of chicksands before, I am a huge fan of the Earthed series of vids.  One day I would like to make my way across the pond and see what its like over there. My three main bikes atm are  my Santa Cruz Bullit for DH, Santa Cruz Cameleon for xc, am, dj, 4x/whatever  and I just got a new Cannondale SuperSix at the start of the season for my road riding efforts  ^^.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #62 on: 04 Jun 2008, 18:38 »

Nice!

Now for a story about my absolute bad luck and stupidity.  Today I got my shoes and got my clipless pedals put on my bike.  I biked home from the bike shop, then got my road kit on and started off.  About a minute later I realized I had neglected to pump up my tires, so I turned around and came back.  I pumped up my tires, clipped in, got 20 ft out of my driveway and wiped out completely on my side.  I got distracted and hit a patch of bad road, and lost control of the handlebars.  I was initially super worried about the bike, as I had bent the brake/shifting assembly on the handlebars in a fair amount.  I thought I might have damaged the carbon fork, which would not be good at all.  Fortunately, I was able to take it back into the shop and they checked it out and said everything looked alright, and fixed my handlebars.  So now my shifting assembly is a little scratched, and my bar tape is a little scratched too, but the rest of the bike is fine.  I am also sporting some respectable road rash, but nothing significant enough to keep me from riding tomorrow.  I feel fortunate that it happened in my neighborhood and at a low speed, as I have some friends who have injured themselves pretty spectacularly on bikes, and an acquaintance of mine recently went over the handlebars and broke her collarbone.

EDIT: Now I know why super intense cyclists shave their legs.  Peeling bandages of or hairy legs with road rash = REALLY NOT FUN.  I've also got a big splotch just below my hip that has been bugging me since I got it, even after I cleaned it and bandaged it.  But now that I've crashed it can only get better, right? :)  Also, sometime in the next few days: pictures of my bike and stuff.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #63 on: 04 Jun 2008, 21:39 »

Man, I had a similar stupid thing happen about a year ago.  I was biking this rad trail along the Chippewa up in Eau Claire, Wisconsin and I biked about 45 miles until I got a flat.  And stupid me forgot to pack along a spare tire.  I had to walk the remaining 4 miles in my bike shoes.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #64 on: 04 Jun 2008, 23:25 »

Why did this thread have to start now?
It's being all rainy, and i want to go ride.

Also the fact that it gets dark around 5-6 these days isnt too good. Thats my usual biking time in summer, when its all cooling down.

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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #65 on: 05 Jun 2008, 00:52 »

What the hell did I do before I discovered mountain biking :-) weeell sat on my ass in front of the computer on the inter wub, that's  what.

How did you get into it? Because it looks like one hell of a alot of fun. Was it just a case of googling local clubs and then rocking up all 'Hi I'm skinny and unfit but have no fear of injury and would like to give this a shot'?
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #66 on: 05 Jun 2008, 02:40 »

What the hell did I do before I discovered mountain biking :-) weeell sat on my ass in front of the computer on the inter wub, that's  what.

How did you get into it? Because it looks like one hell of a alot of fun. Was it just a case of googling local clubs and then rocking up all 'Hi I'm skinny and unfit but have no fear of injury and would like to give this a shot'?

Nope, it was a friend of mine who was well into it. I said 'hi, I'm fat and unfit and I need a workout that doesn't bore me into a coma, I'm also terrified of injury' and he said 'tee hee, have you thought about mountain biking, it's very mellow :evil: ' . Slowly but surely I've built up the guts to do jumps and dropoffs and developed the skills. Cross country riding can be as extreme as you like, or not. It's about what you enjoy. There's something very special about being amongst nature rather than the urban jungle I usually inhabit and there's something very very special about scaring seven kinds of shit out of yourself going off a six foot drop :D Give it a shot dude, explore the world of MTB you'll never be the same again!

cool man enduros are nice bikes.  I've heard of chicksands before, I am a huge fan of the Earthed series of vids.  One day I would like to make my way across the pond and see what its like over there. My three main bikes atm are  my Santa Cruz Bullit for DH, Santa Cruz Cameleon for xc, am, dj, 4x/whatever  and I just got a new Cannondale SuperSix at the start of the season for my road riding efforts  ^^.

That's some serious bike you're riding! Santa Cruz DH rigs are really outstanding. As for road riding, I don't do it, none of the fun of cross country and the added danger of blind dumbass drivers!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #67 on: 06 Jun 2008, 08:21 »

If anyone wants proof that unicycling is way cooler than biking, view the following videos.  (Warning: those particularly susceptible to having their mind blown should be cautious.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPznTbus3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZBgFz4m46U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EiOkoEee0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj1sH6t3gwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hXgo1gtvPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtJZVHkhm-M

OK I'll stop now.

(20-mile ride tomorrow!  I'm pumped.)
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #68 on: 06 Jun 2008, 09:03 »

Today, is not off to the best of days.  I missed the bus, so I ran home and grabbed my bike, and biked off to work.  First, I hear a grinding noise and discover that my gera-shifter is bent, so I click it down to the lowest gear, and spun my legs uncontrollably with out gaioning any momentum (curse you hills).  I turn to get back onto the bike path, and a car parks in the bike lane in front of me, while another blocks the entrance.  I am forced to come to a complete to stop, turn into the traffic lane, get around the car, and stop again to get around the blocked entrance.  After I sto the second time, a car bumps my back tire, and I'm sent sprawling to my hands and knees.  The guy gets out an apologizes.  I just frown, take stock of my bike (nothing is bent or broken) tell him I'm fine, and take off on the bike, all the while thinking "damn I'm so late."  I whish I had thought of the gear shifter.  I take a quick look at the time, realize how truly late I am for work, shift the gears back down, and pedal my ass off.   Then the chain breaks.  I'm 4 miles from work, my leg is cut, my chain is broken, and I am all kinds of pissed off.


Maybe it is time for a new bike.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #69 on: 06 Jun 2008, 10:08 »

Well, I just had my second crash is 3 days.  I took a corner too sharply too fast, went off the road into some gravel, locked my front brake and went over the handlebars.  So now my other brake hood is bent, but thankfully I don't think anything else is messed up on my bike.  I've got some scrapes and my knee is pretty damn swollen, but thankfully I didn't hurt anything vital.  I'm taking the bike in to the shop (for the third time in three days, they must think I'm crazy) later today to get it fixed.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #70 on: 06 Jun 2008, 10:13 »

Nope, it was a friend of mine who was well into it

Damn, this is pretty much the thing that stops me trying things that I reckon could be really cool. I don't think I know anyone who does a whole lot of the things I'd like to try and getting into things is always easier through people.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #71 on: 06 Jun 2008, 10:18 »

If anyone wants proof that unicycling is way cooler than biking, view the following videos.  (Warning: those particularly susceptible to having their mind blown should be cautious.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPznTbus3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZBgFz4m46U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EiOkoEee0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj1sH6t3gwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hXgo1gtvPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtJZVHkhm-M

OK I'll stop now.

(20-mile ride tomorrow!  I'm pumped.)

Now there are some people who will never reproduce :D  Each to their own I suppose, unicycle freeride now I've seen everything :-)
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #72 on: 06 Jun 2008, 10:26 »

How do you people keep falling off? I never fall off. Not that it'd matter if I did, a car knocked me off a few years ago and parked on my front wheel. It's only barely slightly buckled and I've still been riding it fine for 3 years. Woo steel monster!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #73 on: 06 Jun 2008, 20:50 »

A combination of stupidity and not being used to how my new bike handles.  My old bike was a 25 year old huge steel-framed monster: it absorbed everything I put into it without any wavering but was heavy as hell and slowed me down quite a bit on climbs.  My new bike is aluminum with a little carbon: it's much lighter and livelier in handling, and is much faster.  I'm still not used to the new geometry of the bike as well as how it corners, accelerates, etc.  Those things in combination with my complete lack of caution regarding riding have caused my recent crashes.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #74 on: 06 Jun 2008, 23:55 »

Although I myself am really not a bike person at all, the boy enjoys buying the rusted out old retro style bikes and doing them up lovely to sell.  This one is his (although when he has time he plans to make a SUPER BIKE I think), and it was always both cute and amusing to watch him ride it up and down our driveway with his hair streaming out behind him, and the joyful expression you would expect to find on a 6 year old doing the same thing.

I personally just love the seat.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #75 on: 09 Jun 2008, 18:51 »

Dear Cycling thread:

I left my story off on Friday not quite reaching work.  Well, I did reach work, very late.  I tossed the bike into the back, by our attic space stair/doorway.  Due to a sudden emergecy, my sister dropped off her car for me to use, while she went about 200 miles out of town to help my parents.  So, I drove home.  This weekend was spent slaving away in the hot sun, and working on school projects, so I did no have time to fix the bike.  This morning, I drove to work, stopped off at my bike shop, which is just across the street from my office, and bought a new chain.  I went to class, then ran home to drop off the car and school accessories.  I then caught the buss and competely forgot my camel back, hat, helmet and gloves.  After work, I affixed the new chan onto the bike, and bent the gear shifter back into place.  I pocket the broken chain for use at a later date, and I begin the trek home.  I spend the first mile cursing my lack of hat/helmet.  I spend the last nine miles panting and breathng hard as I go up hill in lare curves sending me two miles out of my way to the north, and south of where I am heading.  A ten minute bike ride takes 25 minutes, and man am I out of shape, and it pisses me off.  My goals for the rest of the month, bike a lot more and get into shape.  I should go buy a larger camelback, so I can take it to school, with my books in it.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #76 on: 09 Jun 2008, 19:00 »

ebony, that bike is PEEEEEEEEMP
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #77 on: 09 Jun 2008, 22:22 »

Hmmm.... That is one weird and not-practical bike.

I mean, where the hell do you hold your case of beer?
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #78 on: 10 Jun 2008, 00:15 »

I want to know how the hell you'd ring that bell. I mean, every time you went to use it bystanders and onlookers would think you were scratching your groin!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #79 on: 10 Jun 2008, 00:17 »

Maybe that's what he WANTS you to think!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #80 on: 10 Jun 2008, 01:06 »

I used to cycle everywhere, I knew all the short cuts and back streets that would get me to my destination as quickly as  possible. Then some git stole it.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #81 on: 10 Jun 2008, 21:09 »

The moment my Cannondale gets to To., the fun begins.  Leaving Manhattan means being able to bike without being hit by 9 yellow cabs and then having your broken body chewed on by a rabid rat.  It is also means bike lockers (yay!) and being able to leave your bike outside for more than 5 minutes without some ^%#^&er bending the wheel.

To. people, where are the good routes?  I'm thinking 20-40 miles at the beginning and then ramping it up once back in the swing.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #82 on: 10 Jun 2008, 21:37 »

I mean, where the hell do you hold your case of beer?

I discovered recently that my collapsible bike basket holds two six packs of beer perfectly.  They fit so well that I am damn sure it is not a coincidence.  There isn't even wiggle room for the beer to get jostled about.  Most of the avid cyclists I've known have also been beer enthusiasts, so I guess It's not THAT surprising. 

All I know is, it's pretty awesome for mini beer runs.  I need to buy another of those baskets.  You know, for symmetry. 
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« Reply #83 on: 10 Jun 2008, 21:50 »

whoo bikes! I MTB occasionally and commute to work when I'm not working 80-90 hours a week - I ride hard and by the time I'm actually at work I'm sweaty, have to take a shower. There's only one so I have to get in before everybody else if I dont want to wait in line, and I have a hard time getting up at 7 if I'm overworked and stressed. I currently use my cannondale rush for everything - for commuting I have a rack + bag, road tires, and dinotte lights, but it's pretty easy to rip everything off in 20 minutes or so and switch to fatty tires for the trail. I don't really like having to use a post rack for full suspension though - it's not too stable. The bike is also just heavier than I'd like for road duty, and the suspension is just extra weight. I'm thinking about getting a swobo otis to use as my commuter bike.

P.S. wear your helmet. You look stupid but alive.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #84 on: 12 Jun 2008, 01:14 »

Biking in Chicago is great. The city is as flat as a floppy disk, so you can get around easily on any old piece of junk, including my early 1980s Schwinn Traveler with squeaky brakes and a rear derailleur that won't shift into top gear. Of course, a lot of the drivers are inobservant jerks.

Biking 32 blocks (4 miles) is quicker than the bus or El, and maybe 33% longer than driving.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #85 on: 12 Jun 2008, 19:00 »

Whee, I biked without crashing.  Hopefully more biking tomorrow.  So far I am falling woefully behind my goal of 100 miles a week, but I was gone for three days and the weather has been really bitchy lately.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #86 on: 12 Jun 2008, 22:55 »

I BMX at the moment. Well, I say I do but I ride so rarely. I should get back into it. Seeing all these freeride vids makes me want to get back into mountain biking. Problem with mtb here is the lack of trails. There are plenty but they're an hour or so out of town by car. Urban riding is pretty fun though.

I rode my BMX for about 20 minutes today and I definitely feel a bit better. I really ought to bike a bit more. Should grab myself a proper helmet and lock. Hmmm....
Definitely disappointed by how small my bunnyhops are now. Can barely manage a foot... :(
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #87 on: 13 Jun 2008, 02:00 »

I BMX at the moment. Well, I say I do but I ride so rarely. I should get back into it. Seeing all these freeride vids makes me want to get back into mountain biking. Problem with mtb here is the lack of trails. There are plenty but they're an hour or so out of town by car. Urban riding is pretty fun though.

I rode my BMX for about 20 minutes today and I definitely feel a bit better. I really ought to bike a bit more. Should grab myself a proper helmet and lock. Hmmm....
Definitely disappointed by how small my bunnyhops are now. Can barely manage a foot... :(


I'm amazed that in NZ there are no trails close to town. Even where I am in sunny London I have trails 5 minutes from my house. You need to get some mates together rent a van and drive out to your trails, trust me you'll be hooked!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #88 on: 13 Jun 2008, 10:06 »

This better not be a page break.

Today I cycled the ten miles into work and back. It was pretty good but some of the road surface is a pile of shit. I've come to the desicion that my mountain bike isn't to good for cycling on the road, plus the crank (is that the front three gears?) is all shitty and i have to keep bending it back into place even though i'm hardly riding my bike hard. Next week is cycle into work week so I'm gonna measure my weight at the start of the week and measure it after and see if there is any considerable difference.

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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #89 on: 13 Jun 2008, 12:59 »

I didn't bike to work today cause my legs were so sore from chasing after the bus yesterday on foot (a bad step pulled something in my leg).  But, I was stretching out my legs here at work, and all this biking has seriously toned my legs fucking up.  I can actually see the contours of my muscles and shit.  Its awesome.  It makes me want to run home and bike around town.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #90 on: 13 Jun 2008, 13:40 »

Wind is my worst enemy when cycling.  I went for a 20 mile ride today, and it was really intense because it has been windy as fuck all day long.  It almost made some of the hills unbearably difficult; I at one point was in super low gear, just crawling up a very steep incline, and then once I reached the top I didn't even really get to enjoy the descent because the wind pretty much canceled out the benefit of going downhill.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #91 on: 13 Jun 2008, 23:27 »

I'm amazed that in NZ there are no trails close to town. Even where I am in sunny London I have trails 5 minutes from my house. You need to get some mates together rent a van and drive out to your trails, trust me you'll be hooked!
I used to ride out there every weekend but since I moved into town and sold my car that's cut back significantly. When you say trails you mean like mtb trails right rather than dirt jumps? Cause my nearest dirt jumps are probably 45 minutes away too.
Christ, even my nearest skatepark is a 30 minute ride away (no biggie, I don't mind riding 30 minutes at all). Things are spread out here! Auckland is one of the biggest cities in the world geographically so it makes a degree of sense.
Plus I literally live in the absolute middle of the city. Concrete and steel.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #92 on: 14 Jun 2008, 13:39 »





I'm currently riding this for in the mountains.   It's the best fun.   Note the sparklesscent paint, it was a labour of love, but I live to customise things.   I also use an old sunn frame to get to work on, about a 6 mile journey each way through the city.    Pedesto slalom is a sport of kings.   I love to ride my bike, I just wish I had more time to ride more trails!
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #93 on: 14 Jun 2008, 15:13 »

I'm amazed that in NZ there are no trails close to town. Even where I am in sunny London I have trails 5 minutes from my house. You need to get some mates together rent a van and drive out to your trails, trust me you'll be hooked!
I used to ride out there every weekend but since I moved into town and sold my car that's cut back significantly. When you say trails you mean like mtb trails right rather than dirt jumps? Cause my nearest dirt jumps are probably 45 minutes away too.
Christ, even my nearest skatepark is a 30 minute ride away (no biggie, I don't mind riding 30 minutes at all). Things are spread out here! Auckland is one of the biggest cities in the world geographically so it makes a degree of sense.
Plus I literally live in the absolute middle of the city. Concrete and steel.

Yeah I meant MTB trails. You do dirt jumping as well? I've never really gotten into that, I'm more into downhill with a little freeride on the side. As for the joys of the concrete/urban jungle, I know what you mean. Fortunately I have a large area of trails near me called Hampstead Heath where a lot of guys ride even though it is technically not allowed  :evil:

Van Donk, that's what I call a bike!!! A Big Hit, no? None of your, lycra wearing screaming bender roadie nonsense  :-)
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #94 on: 14 Jun 2008, 15:19 »

Yeah, it's an old ass bighit, but I've yet to discover a bike thats more planted and agile on the steep stuff.   I had a foes for a while but I just like the feel of this one better.   I would buy another one, but then I'd have to paint it. :lol:

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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #95 on: 14 Jun 2008, 18:48 »

ok so now I feel compelled to post my mtb's  ^^

Santa Cruz Cameleon


Santa Cruz Bullit


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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #96 on: 14 Jun 2008, 20:44 »



This isn't actually me, this is my friend, but I was on that ride.
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #97 on: 15 Jun 2008, 01:36 »

thats awesome!!! i wish i could do that
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #98 on: 15 Jun 2008, 02:05 »

ok so now I feel compelled to post my mtb's  ^^

Santa Cruz Cameleon

Santa Cruz Bullit

My work here is done! :D Those are some badass bikes you have there...as for the road riding, why would you do that to yourself?!  :-)
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Re: A new thread about cycling
« Reply #99 on: 15 Jun 2008, 17:42 »

Road riding is a completely different kind of fun, some would call it suffering, than off road riding.

Phil I also neglected to post my road bike so this might explain why I like to road ride a little better ;)

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