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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #50 on: 12 Jun 2008, 16:32 »

On a related note, I had my wisdom teeth out this morning.  That anesthetic was rad, I should take some to parties.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #51 on: 12 Jun 2008, 22:34 »

I jsut recently got the most recent MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) newsletter, and it's all about the links between psychedelics and technology.  There's some crazy shit in here.

For instance, there's an article by a woman who took psychedelics while wring a novel about a language with 27 glyph characters to it, and in order to develop this idea, tripped into the very fictional universe she was creating through writing, and promptly had to decipher the very language she was inventing.  Here's the article, it's really interesting.  I'm not sure I understand it but it sounds really cool.

There's a short article by a computer programmer who took LSD to help him solve a problem for IBM back in 1975.  Apparently he took it to "fit the entire program into his mind at once" and the notes he took while he was tripping didn't make sense to him after he came down, but he followed his own instructions despite not fully understanding them or knowing they would work, and they did and he made a lot of money.

There's an article in here by a computer graphic artist who has been working in the medium since the early 80's.  He writes that when digital video editing first came out, he was in a phase of heavy ketamine experimentation, and as he learned to use a computer to manipulate an image, he also learned to do so with his own visual field.  Apparently, once he learned how to on ketamine, he was basically able to hallucinate any visual effect (patterns, colors, tracers, multiple images, etc.) whenever he wanted in normal waking consciousness.

That's three out of something like 20 articles, and none of them are remotely limited to the points I just excerpted from them.  The MAPS bulletin is a hell of a resource for anyone who wants to know about this kind of stuff.  Of course, you have to join the organization and give them a bit of money in order to subscribe to it, but MAPS membership is not expensive, the money goes to a good place, and of course the booklet that shows up at your house three or four times a year is invariably really, really, really interesting.

Or you could read it on the internet!  But you should give MAPS money either way.

Here is what I am talking about:
http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v18n1/index.html
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #52 on: 12 Jun 2008, 22:52 »

Hey, thanks for that link, I never knew that group existed.

Coincidentally, a friend of mine just sent me an email with this quote:

"Would I have invented PCR if I hadn't taken LSD? I seriously doubt it. I could sit on a DNA molecule and watch the polymers go by. I learnt that partly on psychedelic drugs."

-Kary Mullis, Nobel price-winning developer of the polymerase chain-reaction (PCR), which has pretty much formed the basis of most molecular biology and genetics for the last 20 years.

There's also a great New Scientist article on the possibilities of science using different states of consciousness, I'll see if I can dig it up. It's a good read.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #53 on: 13 Jun 2008, 10:01 »

This derails the thread a bit, but it is quite interesting http://hellarity.org/try/drugs.php Its better than a lot of those shitty tests out there and the results were surprising. My drug of choice is usually cannabis or alcohol but they both scored the lowest. It tells me that I should try LSD, Mushrooms and MDMA with other drugs being about average. I've never thought of myself as an ecstasy person before.

Back on track. I've never tried any "hardcore" psychedelics before. I've smoked salvia, but just normal strength from a joint which had no effect. I've eaten a couple of mushrooms but not enough to do anything. I would like to try lsd but the stories I've heard of people having bad trips that fuck them up have kind of put me off. I really want to try mushrooms properly, which I think I will this year. I know loads of spots to pick them in and i'm going to Amsterdam in July so i might try some then. I've heard a lot of people say they have had life changing experiences with mushrooms and there is no long lasting health effects?

Psychedelic recommendations please?

The New Scientist is an excellent magazine. I have a subscription to it, there was an excellent article on legal highs as well.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #54 on: 13 Jun 2008, 11:36 »

Your Scores
Alcohol: 625
Marijuana: 550
LSD: 1525
MDMA: 1350
Mushrooms: 825
Salvia:   400
Heroin: 325
Cocaine: 375

Definitely gonna skip the last two anyway. I find it a bit odd that I should enjoy being drunk more than being high, because I don't.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #55 on: 13 Jun 2008, 11:40 »

This is a very interesting thread, thank you for starting it Onewheelwizzard.  I have always been incredibly curious about psychadelic usage and would love to experience it for myself someday, but will most likely never get around to it.  I enjoy reading about other peoples' experiences, though.

That test was pretty funny.  I got a -50 for cocaine.  Run, run far away from the cocaines!  (Which I have, actually, since I have a heart murmur.)
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #56 on: 13 Jun 2008, 12:12 »

My results were pretty shocking, I'm a bit of a stoner but pot got the lowest score. LSD got the highest and I've never tried it.

Lots of these experiences with salvia sound pretty bad, I've tried it a few times, twice I blacked out the experience, though friends report I was just looking around and picking up objects.  The last time I tried it was crazy, at first it was a bit physically painful, it felt like I was getting sucked into the floor.  The hallucinations were so vivid that I no longer had any clue what was going on, it felt like it lasted a long time, but it couldnt have been more than a few minutes.  Everything just kept repeating itself, and I felt like fluid energy connected to everything.  I started freaking out but my friends really calmed me down, they just kept saying "roll with it".  Focusing on their faces helped to pull me back to reality.  I find that sitting down on salvia is what was causing that often reported feeling of being sucked into the floor.  Once I stood up it was pretty fun, things were facinating to look at, it was like seeing their energy.  I would do it again for sure, but not necessarily recommend it, considering I know so many people who've had bad trips, there is also the physical pain, but its pretty temporary.  A wave, I think it was worth it.

I've tried mdma, pressed e, and mushrooms, all with good experiences.  My first time trying mushrooms I thought I was dying, my friend even called 911.  Thats a bit of a humiliating story, but it didnt discourage me from trying them again.  Everytime I do them though, in the begining stages, I get this feeling like I'm dying, its not painful or anything, just a feeling.  Probably because I'm poisening myself.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #57 on: 13 Jun 2008, 12:54 »

This derails the thread a bit, but it is quite interesting http://hellarity.org/try/drugs.php Its better than a lot of those shitty tests out there and the results were surprising. My drug of choice is usually cannabis or alcohol but they both scored the lowest. It tells me that I should try LSD, Mushrooms and MDMA with other drugs being about average. I've never thought of myself as an ecstasy person before.

Back on track. I've never tried any "hardcore" psychedelics before. I've smoked salvia, but just normal strength from a joint which had no effect. I've eaten a couple of mushrooms but not enough to do anything. I would like to try lsd but the stories I've heard of people having bad trips that fuck them up have kind of put me off. I really want to try mushrooms properly, which I think I will this year. I know loads of spots to pick them in and i'm going to Amsterdam in July so i might try some then. I've heard a lot of people say they have had life changing experiences with mushrooms and there is no long lasting health effects?

Psychedelic recommendations please?


If you're at all interested in trying shrooms, I would say go for it.  Be careful if you're picking them yourself, though.  You'd probably enjoy LSD, bad trips aren't really typical, and they also happen to people who do shrooms.

I'd start with maybe 2.5 grams of dried shrooms (I have no idea what that amounts to fresh) or one geltab of LSD.

But a brief word on how the two differ.  Mushrooms, for me and all my friends at least, are strongly visual.  Don't get me wrong, so is LSD, but the manner in which they are visual is differerent.  Mushrooms cause you to hallucinate by adding to what you see, whereas LSD kind of takes what is there and manipulates it.  For instance, at the peak of a mushroom trip, I cannot read a digital clock, the bars don't form numbers anymore.  The carpet looks like a field of grain on a windy day, and cities grow on the legs of my jeans.  At the peak of an LSD trip, I will see a chameleon on the wall of a bathroom, as it changes hues; the lines on the ceiling morph into an ocean, and the red dots in my vision become red daisies.  Basically, at low doses, you'd be able to function as a sober person moreso on LSD than on shrooms.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #58 on: 13 Jun 2008, 16:28 »

What do you think of growing them? Worth the effort for the turnout?

And what is a good weight estimation for a single P. Cubensis, roughly 2-3 inches long, and the width of my finger?

And And, what are the average prices?
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #59 on: 13 Jun 2008, 17:02 »

i would highly recommend growing your own mushrooms. a friend of mine had a little planter in his room and made something like 300% profit from it and that's AFTER taking several 1/8's for himself and friends. but that's probably not typical depending on the type of mushrooms, time of year, region etc.

oh, and also:

LSD:  1925
Mushrooms:  1225
MDMA:  1200
Salvia: 875
Heroin:  700
Alcohol:  675
Cocaine: 525
Marijuana:  250
 

it's interesting that Pot scored the lowest considering that's the thing i do the most often.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #60 on: 13 Jun 2008, 17:56 »

MDMA:             1550
LSD:               1500
Alcohol:       1025
Mushrooms:    1050
Salvia:                650
Heroin:        525
Cocaine:      475
Marijuana:       200

Weird, seems like pot is scoring low on almost everyone's lists
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #61 on: 13 Jun 2008, 22:37 »

Yeah, and psychedelics are at the top for everyones too. Same with me:

LSD:    2000
MDMA:    1600
Mushrooms:  1275
Alcohol:   800
Salvia:    800
Marijuana: 500
Heroin:  250
Cocaine:  325

I'm not really surprised by the results at all, actually. I smoke pot occasionally, but I honestly never enjoy it that much. I love LSD, though I haven't done it in awhile and probably won't for awhile. I'll never do the last two, as I abhor the thought of injecting myself with a needle or snorting things, and I dislike feeling frenzied and manic, so it's no surprise they're at the bottom.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #62 on: 13 Jun 2008, 22:45 »

I reckon LSD is going to be near the very top for just about every list.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #63 on: 13 Jun 2008, 23:29 »

I took this a few hours ago and LSD, shrooms, and MDMA scored highest. Booze and pot were only around 200, and my cocaine was 0 (I take this as a good thing) and I think my heroin was 300 something.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #64 on: 13 Jun 2008, 23:44 »

ledhendrix, a few things.

First off, on the "bad trip" thing ... it is possible for someone to have a "bad trip" that actually damages them, so to speak.  However, this is also easy to avoid if one approaches the issue with any degree of responsibility and wisdom.  A psychedelic experience can be traumatic (and therefore damaging) as a result of a few things, but barring any unexpected catastrophes happening while the trip is going on (basically anything that's really really scary or hurtful and would be regardless of any drug influence), the only way a person can damage themselves with psychedelics is by abusing them pretty flagrantly, and that's easy to avoid if you have even the slightest motivation to do so (that is to say, an inkling of respect for yourself).

I was going to go on with a few miscellaneous tips but I figure this is as good of a time as any to go all out and draw up a guide to first-time tripping.

Dosages for first times:
1 hit of LSD
1.7-2.4 grams (1/16th - 1/12th ounce) dried mushrooms

GROUND RULES:
1. Cars are REAL.
2. Fire BURNS.
3. You CANNOT fly.
4. Trust your friends.  (This is of course only applicable in situations where your friends are trustworthy.  If they are not, do not take drugs with them.)

Things to gravitate towards:
1. Your favorite music, art, media, etc. ... basically, anything that is an expression of beauty and/or creativity, and that you consider to be particularly pleasant/enjoyable/meaningful, is probably going to be a good thing to have around.
2. Outdoor green spaces, places with a lot of life.  Nearby state parks are great (make sure you're familiar with the law enforcement situation and local bylaws, of course, don't want to be picked up by cops late at night for something as simple as trespassing).  This also lowers the chance of being forced into uncomfortable interactions with strangers.
3. Familiar settings that have pleasant memories associated with them, or generally supportive overtones.  It's good to feel safe and at home sometimes.
4. Relative calm and quiet is probably a plus, unless you get off on overstimulation.  Having the capacity to focus yourself on something intently can be important.
5. Opportunities for free play and exploration in general are basically optimal for tripping, especially first-time tripping.

Things to avoid:
1. Strangers, and crowds, especially crowds of strangers.  You don't want to have to deal with that.
2. Authority figures such as parents, professors, cops (obviously), and anyone else who really should not know that you have taken psychedelics.  This is a no-brainer.
3. Alcohol in general.  You don't want to be drunk during your first trip (in my opinion, at least, it's a really bad idea), you definitely don't want to be drunk when you make the decision to trip for the first time, and you probably don't really want to hang out with drunk people very much, they're not likely to be very interesting or fun to hang out with.  Alcohol and psychedelics don't really mix too well, either in a single person's brain or in a more broad social situation.  (By the same token, painkillers, sedatives, anti-anxiety drugs, and pharmaceuticals of various stripes are probably to be avoided as well.)
4. Any situation in which you feel useless, helpless, or otherwise disempowered.  This means don't hang around people embroiled in personal dramas (and, of course, don't be embroiled in drama yourself), don't go to anyone's house if you don't trust and like them, don't stick around groups that are doing things you're not into, that sort of thing.  You really want to have the ability to do something entirely new and different if at any point your experience seems to be getting unpleasant or even just lackluster.  Don't ever put yourself in a position where your hands are tied or you're forced into a claustrophobic situation for any amount of time.

It's all pretty intuitive, really.  Do things you like to do, don't do things you don't like to do, and keep yourself open.  It's vitally important to be honest with yourself and with others, or else you'll run yourself into a lot of really unpleasant situations.  You don't want to go along with something you don't really want to do because your friends are doing it, and you don't want anyone around you to feel pressured to do so either.  Look out for your friends.

Oh, and on that note, don't take drugs for the first time unless a good friend of yours is hanging out relatively sober.  Once you get a feel for psychedelia, the sober sitter becomes less necessary, but for the first time it's pretty important.

Other miscellaneous tips:
-Turn your phone off.  Don't want any calls from the wrong people.
-Don't put more than one or two things into each pocket, or else you're going to have a lot of trouble finding anything.
-Be sure you've got not a lot to do the next day, especially if you're going to consume your drugs after mid-afternoon.
-Tell stories!  Tell the story of what's happening to you as it happens, even!  Once me and my friend took a lot of drugs and explored some train tracks and we ended up finding a weather machine and an abandoned time travel station.  Or at least, that was the story that we were telling and developing as we went along, and tripping in a story that writes itself can be way more fun than tripping in the real world.
-Watch sunrises and sunsets, if the timing is right and you've got a view.  Watching a sunrise or a sunset on psychedelics is mind-blowing.

I'm sure I'll think of more, I might going back and editing this post over time.  Also, I didn't really address MDMA, which isn't quite the same as traditional psychedelics ... I'm sure I'll end up talking about it eventually, though.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #65 on: 14 Jun 2008, 00:08 »


-Don't put more than one or two things into each pocket, or else you're going to have a lot of trouble finding anything.

this made me lol. 

- If you're a smoker make sure you have enough cigarrettes so that you dont have to overcome the incredible obstical of trying to purchase something when you're wacky.
-If you intend on enjoying any electronic entertainment be sure that all of the necessary appliances are fully hooked up lest you be faced with that challange later.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #66 on: 14 Jun 2008, 00:40 »

LSD, MDMA, and Mushrooms were my highest on the test.

That said I have never taken any drugs for any sort of recreational or spiritual purposes.  The only time I've really had any "mind-altering" drugs was when I got my wisdom teeth pulled.  Waking up afterwards was enjoyable, despite (or perhaps partially because of) being at least half asleep.  I felt great though.
In addition to that I have been around friends who were smoking pot, but I didn't partake.  It was an interesting (and highly entertaining) experience, and it wouldn't too far off to say I had a bit of a contact-high, as almost everything that happened was funny.

Like I said above, I've never taken any drugs, but I am interested.  The idea of a different mental state intrigues me.  I've done research of LSD and Salvia before, and both sound like both great and horrible ideas at the same time.  Having a "spiritual" or otherwise reflective experience intrigues me.  All the positive stories sound great, and yet I hear of the negative side-effects.  Some say LSD has zero unintended side effects (which I don't believe, everything has side effects) and others say use can result in psychosis, which I'm not interested in.  Is it likely that I'll go bat-shit insane after taking LSD?  I doubt it.  Does the prospect still kinda turn me off to using?  Yes.

Salvia sounds like a great experience sometimes, and terrible others.  I'm conflicted about this.  I've heard from various people that the way to go with Salvia is quid, tea, or cooking with it.  Others say the best way to do it is vaporizing it or taking extract.  I'd lean towards quid myself (traditionally shamanistic way, seems most natural to me), but I don't really know.  When I read positive Salvia stories, they sound amazing.  Negative stories sound horrible.  Also, other side-effects?  Haven't really heard of any, but I doubt there are none.  The severity is probably small, but its still a concern of mine.

I'm still not sold on the idea of using, but the whole thing is of great interest to me.

What can you guys tell me about MDMA?  Like I said, I scored high for it on that test, and I did read up a bit on Erowid, but I'd like a more personal take on it.
I know a little about shrooms, and onewheelwizzard's latest post has been informative (despite having read most of it before, its still good information to review).  If there's anything else to it, I'd love to hear, even if I never decide to take any.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #67 on: 14 Jun 2008, 08:29 »

The key thing with MDMA, really, is to make sure what you're taking is MDMA, and the next big thing is to make sure you drink enough water (2-3 bottles is pretty good).  I've only ever done it once, and I took one pill that ended up being caffeine, and half of another that was most certainly MDMA.  Not having done it more than once, I don't have much advice in regards to setting or anything, but I do know that some people get a little depressed the day after as a result of the serotonin rush the night before.  That can be countered with simple vitamins, which I can't recall the name of.  It's on erowid, though.
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« Reply #68 on: 14 Jun 2008, 12:23 »

I have an interesting perspective on MDMA.  See, MDMA is the chemical that has been most heavily researched for use in psychotherapy, and for the longest time I was totally confused by all the attention it was getting.  It seemed pointless compared to LSD and psilocybin research ... why would anyone waste their time with a silly dance-party drug (one that can actually cause overdose, and furthermore has lasting neurotoxic effects if heavily abused, at that), when there were infinitely more powerful (and substantially safer) substances sitting right under our noses?  I refrained from using it myself for years after I started exploring psychedelics because I didn't see the point ... I considered myself a pretty happy person and didn't want to fuck around with the brain systems that were responsible for that, and I'd heard that MDMA could actually damage your brain.

Then I actually did the research (I wrote a final paper on MDMA neurotoxicity 2 years ago) and discovered that all the research that maligned MDMA as terribly unsafe had been really, really poorly done.  The flagship study that condemned MDMA for "putting holes in your brain" (as I'm sure many of you have heard) didn't even use MDMA (they accidentally gave their monkey subjects methamphetamine, which is far more damaging at the same levels of abuse, and to make matters worse is a legally prescribed drug).  Furthermore, it was in pretty extensive use among psychotherapists and marital counselors for decades before it was made illegal, so it's clinically viable from a safety perspective.  So I figured, if it was actually safe to use in standard single-dose quantities, why not give it a shot?

I had a couple MDMA experiences at dance parties that were quite enjoyable but not exactly groundbreaking.  It wasn't until I started taking MDMA in the context of a sexual/romantic relationship that I started to realize what it was actually capable of, and why it was used in psychotherapy for so long.

Picture a person with EXTREMELY difficult personal issues.  They can't connect to people, they're unable to function emotionally, they can't trust anyone, they find it impossible to talk about their lives with any degree of openness or confidence, they never seem to feel positive emotion of any kind, etc., etc., etc.  We're talking about someone REALLY fucked up.  Now picture being their therapist.  You've got your job cut out for you, obviously, and you spend months trying to crack this person out of their shell so they can take steps towards happiness and open, honest emotional communication with other people, but their personal difficulties are simply too weighty and they are losing confidence in themselves rapidly and perhaps approaching becoming suicidal.

Now, as their therapist, think about the best possible thing that could happen to that person.  It would give them greater insight into their personal emotional difficulties, open them up to feeling more trust towards others so you could explore their emotional state with them, increase their capacity to empathize with others and understand emotional relationships from more perspectives than their own, heighten the sensations they feel physically and make them feel more alive and sensitive and connected to the world around them, and of course heighten their mood, so that not only could they talk about their lives and their troubles with clarity and honesty, but they would feel optimistic enough throughout the therapy session that they would feel as if there was some hope for them, and inspire them to fight more strongly against their inner demons in the future, as well as in a tighter partnership with you, the therapist.

That's exactly what MDMA does.  And when normally functioning people take it, it basically elevates them to an entirely supernormal level of emotional clarity, as well as elevating mood and physical sensations.  MDMA opens someone up to everything, both within them and around them, and heightens their ability and willingness to trust others and form or enrich emotional connections.  And in a very real way, the most fundamental effect of an MDMA experience is love.  At this point, in order to explain myself fully, I'd have to go into a long discussion of what I personally believe love to be, and I'm not going to do that right now, but to preempt the reaction I usually get from saying that, I think I need to make the point that the love that a person feels towards others on MDMA is only as synthetic and chemically-derived as they make it.  While it can be easy to mistake the surface effects of MDMA (good physical sensations, happy mood, positive emotional bonding, etc.) for love if one is not exactly used to feeling love for others in day-to-day life, anyone who has strong preexisting feelings of love will most likely find that they have never felt it to be so clear and uninhibited and honest as when they're on MDMA.  It can be an extraordinarily affecting experience.

Oh, and the first time I took MDMA and had sex, my orgasm lasted for 10 minutes.  The effects of MDMA on the emotions might be the reason why people research it, but the effects it has on physical sensation can be crazy intense too.  At higher doses it basically feels like your entire body is being given a blowjob.

If you want to take it, I would recommend taking it with a significant other, and setting the intention of exploring your relationship together (sex is also a really good idea).  However, I would also recommend that the first time you take MDMA be at a dance party.  The affinity it has for dancing and a festive atmosphere is too good to be passed up.  In my experience, if you take MDMA at a rave with someone you're falling in love with, it changes your life in ways you wouldn't even dare to hope for.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #69 on: 14 Jun 2008, 14:52 »

i would highly recommend growing your own mushrooms. a friend of mine had a little planter in his room and made something like 300% profit from it and that's AFTER taking several 1/8's for himself and friends. but that's probably not typical depending on the type of mushrooms, time of year, region etc.

Did he use the jar, pressure cooker, brown rice flour, and vermiculite method? Or by "planter", did you mean he just mixed spores with dirt and let them grow?
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #70 on: 14 Jun 2008, 15:55 »

good reading, onewheeledwizard. the emotional bonding aspect is great, however the physical sensations and feelings are also fun. I dont really like raves, but there are some "visuals" when you take mdma (your eyes will get squiggly, light trails, etc). also the body sensation is realyl interesting, i think the best way i can describe it is how you feel when you have a fever (except for the feeling like shit part). the sex is also great, although for guys it can be difficult to orgasm sometimes (haven't had a girlfriend say the same thing yet, for most girls it seems to have the opposite effect).
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #71 on: 15 Jun 2008, 11:55 »

I've personally found that orgasm is more difficult to achieve the day after (on the comedown) than when you're up. Also, watch out for tightening in your jaw or grinding of teeth, some chewing gum will come in handy - although this may be more of an issue with pills than with crystalline MDMA. Indeed, for a first trip, MDMA is probably a better idea. You're less likely to get something speedy or fake - although getting pills with other stuff in them, or no MDMA, is rare enough in Europe. Finally, don't do it too much. A pill or two (or the equivalent in MDMA) once a month is probably the most that is sensible - I think it takes something like three months for serotonin levels to build up to their previous levels. 5-HTP apparently can help with the comedown. And have fun - getting high on MDMA for the first time was one of the most amazing experiences of my life.

That test is silly, though. Apparently I am nearly three times as likely to enjoy heroin as marijuana, and I think it's probably biased towards LSD for some reason.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #72 on: 15 Jun 2008, 12:45 »

I think MDMA has effected me more than I realised (in a really good way), I recently spent a lot of time thinking about me and I was able to come to some conclusions about my personality, how I want to live my life, etc. I could do without the teeth grinding though.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #73 on: 16 Jun 2008, 08:34 »

man, if i could somehow get ahold of purer/stronger mdma than the stuff that's been circulating around here lately. even the decent ones are pretty tweaky/speedy. wouldn't even know how to get that
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #74 on: 16 Jun 2008, 10:42 »

i would highly recommend growing your own mushrooms. a friend of mine had a little planter in his room and made something like 300% profit from it and that's AFTER taking several 1/8's for himself and friends. but that's probably not typical depending on the type of mushrooms, time of year, region etc.

Did he use the jar, pressure cooker, brown rice flour, and vermiculite method? Or by "planter", did you mean he just mixed spores with dirt and let them grow?

Yeah, it was pretty much a wooden box with dirt in it. Nothing fancy here.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #75 on: 16 Jun 2008, 18:30 »

man, if i could somehow get ahold of purer/stronger mdma than the stuff that's been circulating around here lately. even the decent ones are pretty tweaky/speedy. wouldn't even know how to get that

Speedy rolls are the best, take 3 and go dancing.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #76 on: 16 Jun 2008, 18:44 »

The only time I ever took a speedy roll was also the only time I ever felt as if I had done something seriously unhealthy ... I was really overheated and tooth-grindy and I had to take a break for a while.  But then, I hardly ever take stimulants so I'm probably really sensitive to the difference.  Also, if you're going to take 3 of anything you should probably space it out over the course of at least 3-4 hours.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #77 on: 17 Jun 2008, 08:42 »

Yeah, it was pretty much a wooden box with dirt in it. Nothing fancy here.

And he didn't sterilize anything, or inoculate sterile substrate then mix it in? He literally just dumped in liquid spores, and left it alone?

That's interesting. All my buddy's go through a really length process of sterilizing substrate, jars, themselves, and the room it's to be done in. Then they inoculate the Sterile jars and substrate, let micillium grow, then fruit it.

Your way sounds easier.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #78 on: 17 Jun 2008, 09:00 »

anyone ever aken bzp? how did it affect you? i took it, and nothing happened
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #79 on: 17 Jun 2008, 09:33 »

man, if i could somehow get ahold of purer/stronger mdma than the stuff that's been circulating around here lately. even the decent ones are pretty tweaky/speedy. wouldn't even know how to get that

Speedy rolls are the best, take 3 and go dancing.

Yeah usually we double it at the beginning and then work it out from there...the come down is so much worse than what "pure" or stronger mdma's comedown sounds like. that's why i'm not too hyped on them.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #80 on: 17 Jun 2008, 10:19 »

Yeah, it was pretty much a wooden box with dirt in it. Nothing fancy here.

And he didn't sterilize anything, or inoculate sterile substrate then mix it in? He literally just dumped in liquid spores, and left it alone?

That's interesting. All my buddy's go through a really length process of sterilizing substrate, jars, themselves, and the room it's to be done in. Then they inoculate the Sterile jars and substrate, let micillium grow, then fruit it.

Your way sounds easier.

as far as i know, he pretty much just treated it like a regular indoor herb garden, like the kind you would grow basil in in your kitchen or whatever. i don't know about any of that stuff you mentioned but that sounds really unecessary...i mean...mushrooms are a fungus...sterility is not something they typically thrive on.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #81 on: 17 Jun 2008, 11:04 »

Why would you treat growing mushrooms that you're going to take for psychedelic purposes differently to mushrooms you're growing to put in omlettes? That seems a bit ludicrous.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #82 on: 17 Jun 2008, 11:18 »

Actually I expect that putting psychedelic mushrooms into an omlette would be a really delicious idea!  I do know that they're significantly easier to eat fresh to begin with.

I'm personally not an expert on mushroom cultivation but from what I understand, mushroom mycelium is easily contaminated by bacteria that feed on it.  Sterilization is an important first step to cultivating mushrooms and it's the hardest step by far.  Contamination of the mycelium means no mushroom fruiting.  I expect that if you just put spores into a box of dirt, you'd run a very high risk of failure.

In other news, I've been outraged over our country's drug policy for a while but I've never seen the idiocy concentrated as strongly as it is here:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/mdma_scheduling_history.htm
The story of how MDMA became illegal.  It's shockingly ridiculous.  If you're not outraged, you don't understand what's at stake and what kind of dirty tricks had to be pulled in order to undermine the medical establishment.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #83 on: 17 Jun 2008, 18:04 »

Generally, obtaining fruiting bodies (mushrooms) from mycelium also requires fairly specific temperatures and humidity, which is why some methods use an enclosed container- this increases humidity. And sterilisation/aseptic inoculation is always a good idea, as there's always competition from other fungi and bacteria for the substrate you're growing on.

The more enjoyable way to do it is to go picking yourself with friends, but you need to make bloody sure that you know what you're doing. Eating the wrong type of 'shroom can kill you. Personally, I don't eat anything, psychadelic or otherwise, until I've taken a decent spore print, and keyed it out with an ID book.   
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #84 on: 18 Jun 2008, 01:40 »

Actually I expect that putting psychedelic mushrooms into an omlette would be a really delicious idea!  I do know that they're significantly easier to eat fresh to begin with.
The heat would probably denature the active compounds.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #85 on: 18 Jun 2008, 04:39 »

Well yeah, but you can still make the omelet/pizza/soup first and add the mushrooms when you eat it. The taste of pure mushroom isn't very pleasant. At least, this is what my friends and I usually do.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #86 on: 18 Jun 2008, 10:45 »

Pizza is good. I like eating it with yogurt because it seems to coat the stomach, I never seem to get the same gut rot when I consume them this way.  A friend once told me that dairy products can negate the effects of mushrooms, but I've still gotten high the times I've tried it.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #87 on: 18 Jun 2008, 11:44 »

The one time I did, we ate them on 3 cheeseburgers and one chicken sandwich.  I think too much dairy can negate, but that cheeseburger was all the dairy I had that day, and I was going pretty hard.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #88 on: 19 Jun 2008, 00:42 »

This is quite an interesting thread.  I had but a single experience with psychedelics, 'shrooms  to be specific. I believe it fits the definition of a "bad trip", but i am getting ahead of myself. Here goes the story:

To contextualize, well first of all, i was 15 years old. Second, i was quite angry/disappointed due to girlfriend drama  :roll:. Third, it was during the month of November, which happen to be fairly cold in Canada. Fourth, we did the trip at night. And finally, i was going to do this trip with someone (My cousin. which now resides in a mental institution  :-o) i definitively did not trust, in his car.

As of today, i would say, just by looking at this setup that it could not bode well. It was bound by Murphy's law to fail. But back then, it did not seem like a biggie.

I cannot say that i remember all that happened perfectly, since it was 5 years ago. I believe my cousin had bought 6 to 8 grams of 'shrooms, which we "evenly" split.

About 30 minutes after eating them, i clearly remember telling my cousin: "You know, i really think those have no effect on me." How foolish was i...

At this point, everything is a blur. I can remember sitting calmly in the passenger seat of my cousin's car, listening to some Stevie Ray Vaughn. Then i noticed that the car was actually moving. My cousin had decided, out of the blue, to drive us to, and i quote: "Somewhere else". I don't know if it was the drug, or myself not trusting him, or a mix of both, but i said to myself: "Dude, we're totally gonna have a car accident." And that is when the trip started going downhill. To this day, i can not recall any experience half this frightening. He drove us to the next town, which is about 16 km away from where we started our trip. At this point, i was shaking on my seat and sweating more than ever. Every shadow, every movement seemed like some impending doom waiting to fall on me. I'm not certain of what happened after that. When i regained some form of consciousness, we were back to where we had started the trip. As if we had never moved.

I was trying to ask my cousin whether we did move or not, but somehow, i wasn't able to form a coherent sentence. After that i have another memory blur, then i recall getting out of the car, in the cold night, and sitting under a tree to talk to it. It made perfect sense back then, talking to the tree. Another memory crash, and i was alone in my room, sitting on the edge of my bed. I remember trying to turn on the TV, but for some reason, the TV would not allow me to ( I found out the day after that we had a power failure during the night). After what seemed like an eternity, i finally managed to get to sleep, and woke up sane the next morning.

I must say that i do not regret taking the drug; i regret taking it under those circumstances. The beginning of the trip was awesome, but it ended like a nightmare. Actually, it is one one the few thing that really scares me nowadays. I don't think i could even try it a second time without going totally insane.

 I definitively don't want to scare people away from trying it, but  if i can give a word of advice, do those kind of drugs in a controlled environment, with trustable people.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #89 on: 19 Jun 2008, 00:55 »

Well yeah, but you can still make the omelet/pizza/soup first and add the mushrooms when you eat it. The taste of pure mushroom isn't very pleasant. At least, this is what my friends and I usually do.
I've only eaten dried mushrooms and they basically taste like dirt. Not awful, but dry and ashy. I think the best way is to just follow it with a glass of water and cheeseburger.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #90 on: 19 Jun 2008, 06:40 »

With schrooms, i've eaten them with chicken nuggets with bbq sauce. i've tried it on cheeseburgers. i've also blended it into a ice slushie thing. i've put it on mango sorbet (grinded/blended). they all seem to work fine.
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Re: A thread about psychedelics
« Reply #91 on: 19 Jun 2008, 13:58 »

I do not understand the big hubub about eating mushrooms. They taste fine, and its fun to eat them.
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