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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #100 on: 14 Jun 2008, 15:07 »

What it implies is what it entails, I guess.  I never really cared that much about AC/DC to get to know the band's history.
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« Reply #101 on: 14 Jun 2008, 22:07 »

NO ONE'S GONNA TAKE ME ALIVE

Yes, the song is awesome, but that specific version (especially his solo at the end) is just perfect, and it's what inspired me to get more into playing music. Easily my favorite Muse performance ever- every time I click on it, I have to drop what I'm doing and watch it all the way through.
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« Reply #102 on: 14 Jun 2008, 23:31 »

JESUS ON THE DASHBOARD
HAAAAAAAALLOWED BE THY NAME
CAPSLOCK IS FUN

Wouldn't necessarily say any of those are the best song ever, but I thought it at one point.
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« Reply #103 on: 15 Jun 2008, 00:00 »

Apparently Angus Young is so awesome that people assume he sings, too!
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« Reply #104 on: 15 Jun 2008, 07:26 »

angus young actually has sang in a few songs, but not lead, just for harmony's sake

still hate ac/dc


greatest rock song of all time?


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« Reply #105 on: 15 Jun 2008, 09:05 »

NO ONE'S GONNA TAKE ME ALIVE

Yes, the song is awesome, but that specific version (especially his solo at the end) is just perfect, and it's what inspired me to get more into playing music. Easily my favorite Muse performance ever- every time I click on it, I have to drop what I'm doing and watch it all the way through.

I'm no Muse fan, but that is a really fucking good song.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #106 on: 15 Jun 2008, 09:09 »

Yeah it doesn't get much better'n that.

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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #107 on: 15 Jun 2008, 09:46 »

I waffle on Muse but that song is undeniably excellent.
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« Reply #108 on: 15 Jun 2008, 11:02 »

NO ONE'S GONNA TAKE ME ALIVE

Yes, the song is awesome, but that specific version (especially his solo at the end) is just perfect, and it's what inspired me to get more into playing music. Easily my favorite Muse performance ever- every time I click on it, I have to drop what I'm doing and watch it all the way through.
Yeah, the Reading performance was great. Have you seen their extremely tiny set from Live 8? Pretty decent performance of my favorite Muse song.

That's what this is for.

So much! I always feel like Thin Lizzy are underservedly unsung aside from that one song though, which stings all the more because of the puzzling hype given to AC/DC.
I dunno, AC/DC and Thin Lizzy are pretty different in terms of style, I don't think their listenership overlaps as much as, say, AC/DC and Maiden.
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« Reply #109 on: 15 Jun 2008, 12:22 »

NO ONE'S GONNA TAKE ME ALIVE

Yes, the song is awesome, but that specific version (especially his solo at the end) is just perfect, and it's what inspired me to get more into playing music. Easily my favorite Muse performance ever- every time I click on it, I have to drop what I'm doing and watch it all the way through.

I'm no Muse fan, but that is a really fucking good song.

Yeah, I stopped listening to Muse for one reason or another a few years back, but I still adore this song. It's like everything that's good about them distilled in six minutes.
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« Reply #110 on: 15 Jun 2008, 12:30 »

The Kinks - You Really Got Me

Such a great energy.
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« Reply #111 on: 15 Jun 2008, 16:38 »

This is by no means "The Greatest Rock Song of All Time", but it was a remarkable experience that changed my perspective on a certain song, as well as made me LOVE a song I had previously though of as "just, ok".  So here's my contribution.

The song in question is "I Was Meant for the Stage" by The Decemberists.  I had always listened to this song and thought, "This song has potential, but there's something missing from this recording."  A while after that, I had the pleasure of seeing The Decemberists perform at Chastain Park with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra.  After hearing the live version with orchestral accompaniment, I cried.  There was no verbal recognition that I could muster.  It just overtook me, and I can honestly say the crowd, the orchestra, and the serenity of that evening gave me one of the most memorable concert experiences in recent years. 

While I could not find a youtube, or video clip of the performance, I found a website (http://www.archive.org/details/decemberists2007-07-13.flac16) that has a lossless recording of the entire performance from that evening.  Take a listen, close your eyes, and try to be there.

I am listening to The Tain right now, and I'm pretty much speechless.  Wow, what an awesome concert!
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« Reply #112 on: 15 Jun 2008, 17:06 »

That's really odd. I watched it out of curiosity and I couldn't stop laughing. It's like everything that sucks about this band made so palpable that it's practically its own parody.

I guess what makes it so awesome is that they are clearly reveling in it. Calling it its own parody is fairly apt, and as a result it's actually a really fun song.
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« Reply #113 on: 15 Jun 2008, 19:43 »

The dead-serious conviction with which they deliver total nonsense kind of reminds me—not at all musically, mind you—of Dopesmoker. They're either supremely egotistical or having one hell of a larf.

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« Reply #114 on: 15 Jun 2008, 19:52 »

I've got news for you--the very act of making music is egotistical and pretentious. There's just varying degrees of it.
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« Reply #115 on: 15 Jun 2008, 20:17 »

That boiling water is just too big to fit through the windows of your mind. You gotta open the door. Translation: open your skull and pour boiling water in.

Hey guys does anybody like Metallica
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« Reply #116 on: 15 Jun 2008, 23:16 »

I guess what makes it so awesome is that they are clearly reveling in it. Calling it its own parody is fairly apt, and as a result it's actually a really fun song.

Basically this.

The first time I heard it, without even knowing who it was or when it was recorded, I was laughing and like "Man, this is so completely ridiculous and awesome."
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« Reply #117 on: 15 Jun 2008, 23:21 »

This is even more apparent when you watch the music video for the song.  It's ten times as ridiculous.
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« Reply #118 on: 16 Jun 2008, 09:06 »

The lyrics are trite, not ridiculous. They have a decent anthemic qualitity to them, in that the lyric mostly consist of statements 95% of people would agree with. There's a couple of decent riffs in there, some nice galloping rhythms, a homage to Ennio Morricone (or two) and the video is great. It's just a good song, really. Most of the time I don't think muse produce good songs. That's really the extent of my feelings on Muse. I don't, for example, think, as Tommy seems to do, that Muse are an almost cosmic force of degenerative evil and soul crushing despair.

That, of course, is Coldplay.
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« Reply #119 on: 16 Jun 2008, 15:38 »

This is even more apparent when you watch the music video for the song.  It's ten times as awesome.
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« Reply #120 on: 16 Jun 2008, 18:44 »

I've got news for you--the very act of making music is egotistical and pretentious. There's just varying degrees of it.

Sometimes I realize how selfish it is of me to be alive and live the way I do and then I can get nothing done the rest of the day but cowering in bed.

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« Reply #121 on: 16 Jun 2008, 20:36 »

This is even more apparent when you watch the music video for the song.  It's ten times as awesome.
Fixed it for you.

Well, it was pretty much implied
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« Reply #122 on: 16 Jun 2008, 21:04 »

Hey guys does anybody like Metallica

Actually I got the strongest urge to listen to Master of Puppets today.

Say what you will about the S&M shows/album, but here is a band in excellent form. Particularly Hetfield, who never sounded better, and never did again.
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« Reply #123 on: 16 Jun 2008, 21:09 »

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« Reply #124 on: 16 Jun 2008, 23:03 »

I am friends with Metallica's personal assistant.

He used to work for the Metallica fan club, which is or used to be based in Knoxville.  He was also in Pegasi 51, a great local band.  Anyway, when Metallica played here in the late 90s one time, he ended up playing frisbee golf with them, and started doing more "important" things for them.  There is one VH1 documentary where you can see him doing security at some awards show they were at.

Anyway, one day in 2000 or so they called him up and said "Do you want to come live in LA and be our personal assistant, we will buy you a house and car and pay you and you will be knee-deep in trim."

Obviously he said yes.  Wouldn't you?

He tells me that Cliff is/was by far the nicest guy associated with the band, but Kirk Hammet is also apparently very nice too.  Lars and James are super misogynistic assholes who do things like put drumsticks up groupie's assholes and take pictures of it, then tell them to lick it.  I'm not making that up, he has seen the Polaroids.  Fucked up, man.
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« Reply #125 on: 16 Jun 2008, 23:38 »

I've got nothing against Trujillo's bass playing, but I absolutely hate his style, he looks like he should be in a nu-metal band. When I hadn't heard much of Metallica, I was watching music videos on youtube, and I saw one of them performing recently. The one I had been watching previously was the music video to One, and then I see Trujillo and Hetfield with his hair cut off and a broom growing out of his chin. I honestly couldn't believe it was the same group.

I do like the S&M performance, though. You just have to be careful when mentioning it around people that don't know what it is.
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« Reply #126 on: 17 Jun 2008, 04:05 »

I've got nothing against Trujillo's bass playing, but I absolutely hate his style, he looks like he should be in a nu-metal band.

News for you, he's in one right now.
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« Reply #127 on: 17 Jun 2008, 04:43 »

He's also in Black Label Society, so he is partially excused, except for the shit albums.
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« Reply #128 on: 17 Jun 2008, 05:34 »

Hey guys does anybody like Metallica

Actually I got the strongest urge to listen to Master of Puppets today.

Say what you will about the S&M shows/album, but here is a band in excellent form. Particularly Hetfield, who never sounded better, and never did again.

I agree partly, since it's a great performance and Hetfield is on his toes but damn I loathe the symphony-shit. It really ruins it for me.
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« Reply #129 on: 17 Jun 2008, 05:58 »

Really? I love the symphonic versions of the songs. I think 'Hero Of The Day' and 'Until It Sleeps' were both crying out to have strings added to them.

And that album does contain my favourite Metallica song, namely 'No Leaf Clover,' which seems somewhat unlike the rest of their material.

But then most Metallica fans hate me because I prefer the 1990s output to the 1980s output.

Am I the only one who thinks their 1980s albums are a bit samey????
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« Reply #130 on: 17 Jun 2008, 11:25 »

Not the only one. But you're in a pretty small fucking crowd.

As many reasons as there are to begrudge respect to recent Metallica, I think anyone with a knowledge of the history would have shitted their pants with excitement and wept with joy when they realized "Orion" was going to be played for the first time in 20 years at that one gig in 2006.

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« Reply #131 on: 17 Jun 2008, 12:23 »

He's also in Black Label Society, so he is partially excused, except for the shit albums.
According to wikipedia, he was only with them for 1919 eternal. But then, according to wikipedia, for the first few albums (including 1919), Wylde did just about everything, which either means he was a real control freak about the music, or wikipedia is wrong.

edit: Spluff, was that meaning metallica is a nu-metal band, or is he in another band?

Gaz, I don't think the 80s albums are samey, Kill 'Em All is very raw, I think that the band still needed a bit more practice at that point, RtL is when they hit their stride, it was like KeA except everyone had matured and gained more skill, MoP is when they stopped going for pure speed, a prediction of what was to come, and justice was their most proggy stuff, their most complicated stuff, it might have been wanting to get away from that which sent them down the path of their s/t, load, reload, etc.
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« Reply #132 on: 17 Jun 2008, 13:52 »

I don't know about you, but myself and most people I know who are passionate about music occasionally have times where the planets align or whatever and you're listening to a rock song and you suddenly realise you would have no problem whatsoever declaring it The Most Awesome Thing In Existance.  I've got many, but I'll start with the song/incident which gave me the idea to do this thread in the first place.

It was about 30 minutes ago.  I had just pulled out of the parking lot after a night of working.  I was a little stoned.  As the song on the radio station started, I thought "Oh, awesome song."  Somewhere around the end of the first chorus, as I drove through an empty, closed small city with no one else on the road and the stereo blasting, it hit me.

The song in question?  Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Rocking The Fuck Out.


sure cheap trick did the original, but personally i feel its too slow  I prefer this cover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07r3nUqfEmo
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« Reply #133 on: 17 Jun 2008, 15:46 »

I used to love Less Than Jake. Nowadays though, they only bring back memories of frustration, much gamepad-flinging and a burning desire to hunt down and kill whoever designed the fourteenth goal on the Alcatraz level of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4.

Well yeah, that too. Well atleast the new album rocks.
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« Reply #134 on: 17 Jun 2008, 22:57 »

80s are easily my favourite. After that they just went in a pretty generic direction, imo. I even love Kill 'Em 'All - it's better than Justice, in my books.

edit: Spluff, was that meaning metallica is a nu-metal band, or is he in another band?

The first one - it was a whine about the direction Metallica has gone in.
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« Reply #135 on: 17 Jun 2008, 23:12 »

Man I'm sorry but that Less Than Jake cover of "Surrender" is total fucking shit compared to the original IMO.  It just sounds like "yet another power pop-punk song".   :|
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« Reply #136 on: 18 Jun 2008, 04:23 »

Gaz, I don't think the 80s albums are samey, Kill 'Em All is very raw, I think that the band still needed a bit more practice at that point, RtL is when they hit their stride, it was like KeA except everyone had matured and gained more skill, MoP is when they stopped going for pure speed, a prediction of what was to come, and justice was their most proggy stuff, their most complicated stuff, it might have been wanting to get away from that which sent them down the path of their s/t, load, reload, etc.

I didn't say they're exactly the same. I'm saying they're similar. Obviously there are nuances and differences which I'm quite willing to notice, but - and I think this applies to Iron Maiden too, to a greater degree - if you took say, 'Blackened', if you made the production a bit dirtier it'd fit perfectly on Kill 'Em All, and you could probably do the same with a song from KEA (but then Justice was produced horrifically anyway). However, Black Album more distinctive and so are, to a far greater extent, Load and ReLoad.
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« Reply #137 on: 18 Jun 2008, 05:10 »

I would disagree that the early Metallica albums are samey. They're quite distinctive in the context of metal, in fact.

KEA was a very NWOBHM/proto-thrash effort. You could easily call it thrash metal and be completely correct, but it was still early days for the whole movement and so there was a higher prevalence of the less extreme NWOBHM elements. In addition, Dave Mustaine had a hand in most of the songs. Many songs nodded in the direction of blues due to the melodic parts of the riffs. Hetfield's voice was quite strained and leans more heavily towards early hardcore punk than anything at this point (although his later vocal efforts would considered much more "metal", they wouldn't largely influence the melodic thrash scene, because everyone figured that he was a dick)

RTL was probably their most extreme album. From this disc, Metallica could have easily launched into more extreme thrash along the lines of later Dark Angel. Just listen to Fight Fire With Fire and Creeping Death. There was a much more diatonic feel to the riffs, and Hetfield had less of an edge, but more variance in his voice. This album ushered in the first instrumental that the whole band would play - Call Of Ktulu. Apparently, Mustaine had a hand in this one as well (as well as Ride The Lightning, officially. My gut feeling tells me he did some work on Creeping Death, too). Irrespective, it was quite a bombastic album closer, and the first album lacked that kind of powerful, but not quite epic mood altogether.

MOP is more melodic in general. This is where Metallica began to stray, as they developed some odd fetish for soft interludes. Okay, it works fairly well in Master Of Puppets, due to the powerful re-entry, but I feel it hurts songs like Orion that are otherwise very good. At this point, they seemed to learn from other extreme metal bands from a melodic standpoint. The melodies here are darker and more exotic, like the little lick that sees the opening of the Master Of Puppets chorus, based on the B phyrgian dominant scale. Flat 2nds and all that. To round it off, Metallica developed their power-tendencies a bit further. All in all, the album picked up some darker melodic tendencies and some compositionally softer ones.

You can always tell a song that's from AJFA because there is no bass. 'Nuff said.

A lot of people understandably hate Metallica because they were in the position to show metal to the world like never before, but instead went on to make Load, ReLoad and St. Anger. In addition, they spent their time ramming drum sticks up groupies' asses and making them lick that shit. Gee, thanks Metallica.
It's kind of nice to get the implication that Kirk is sick of all the bullshit, though.

Not that it matters, though. Pantera's Cowboys From Hell was an impressive entry into the 90s for metal (it's a shame they could only do one album that well, but damn, it kicked ass), and Blind Guardian hooned along with 1995's Imaginations From The Other Side. Plus, there was the whole death metal and black metal explosion. Metallica are still dicks for backstabbing every metal fan ever, though.


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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #138 on: 18 Jun 2008, 10:23 »

See this is the viewpoint that I always think is a crock of shit. Backstabbing every metal fan? They did what they wanted to do, and I say more power to them. I like that they experimented. The fact that even the band themselves don't want to play any of their material from post-1991 says that it's the fans who let THEM down.

It's this kind of viewpoint in metal and hardcore as far as loads of different bands that I've always disliked. Green Day sold out in 1994 and 2004 respectively, Metallica sold out in 1991, Black Flag sold out in 1984, Dillinger Escape Plan sold out in 2004, whatever. I apply the phrase 'sellout' to very few artists - the names of which escape me at this second because I care so little - and that's because firstly, I don't think 99% of these alleged sellouts actually did. And secondly, even if they DID sell out, I don't blame them for it one bit, because, well, I like money too. Most of these bands would've ended up making the same album over and over again if they hadn't 'sold out.' As for my personal artistic standpoint, I'd sooner experiment and get called a sellout than make the same safe music.

Correction - you can always tell a song from ...Justice because it sounds like SHIT. I know there's no bass, and that's top of the list of its problems, but it's not that great sounding an album either way. It's like metal as if recorded in Sun studios.

And as for ramming drumsticks up groupies' asses? OMGNOZ
1. I'm sure that's probably the least of what they, and other bands - Led Zeppelin? Motley f'ing Crue anyone? - did to groupies...
2. ...groupies who most likely volunteered for this duty. They're groupies. If they didn't want stuff getting shoved in their various holes, that's their own fault for being a groupie in the first place.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #139 on: 18 Jun 2008, 10:33 »

The decision to defend Metallica for sodomizing groupies with drumsticks is a pretty strange one to make, man.  I'm kinda confused by it to tell the truth.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #140 on: 18 Jun 2008, 10:49 »

I wasn't really defending it. But victimising Metallica for doing that kind shit to groupies when stories like the Red Snapper (which to be fair, I've heard isn't actually true as many times as I've heard it is is true) and the Motley Crue talk-to-your-mom-on-the-phone-that's-in-your-vagina story are still knocking around is a tad ridiculous. Quite apart from which, groupies essentially go backstage to service these stars in whatever way they wish. I'm not sure how much 'forcing' Metallica could've got away with here.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #141 on: 18 Jun 2008, 12:12 »

I was just relating that information because it illustrated that Ulrich and Hetfield are much bigger jerks than Kirk and Cliff.  I'm well aware that lots of bands abuse the power they have over groupies.
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« Reply #142 on: 18 Jun 2008, 14:27 »

Yeah see I brought it up as something I'd heard from someone who is a primary source, and Alex referenced it.

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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #143 on: 18 Jun 2008, 14:37 »

I wasn't really defending it. But victimising Metallica for doing that kind shit to groupies when stories like the Red Snapper (which to be fair, I've heard isn't actually true as many times as I've heard it is is true) and the Motley Crue talk-to-your-mom-on-the-phone-that's-in-your-vagina story are still knocking around is a tad ridiculous. Quite apart from which, groupies essentially go backstage to service these stars in whatever way they wish. I'm not sure how much 'forcing' Metallica could've got away with here.

Just because someone is willing to let you treat them like an object and do horribly degrading things them doesn't mean it's alright if you do. The whole idea of someone giving proper consent in the fan who's gone backstage/massive rockstar relationship is incredibly dubious anyway. Nor is it alright just because someone else has done worse. Motley Crue are known for being massive arseholes and the Zeppelin story is usually brought up as an example of them being titanic shits to someone, so I don't see how it exonerates Metallica being dickheads.

MadassAlex is right though, the important thing is that Megadeth were always the better band.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #144 on: 18 Jun 2008, 17:22 »

See this is the viewpoint that I always think is a crock of shit. Backstabbing every metal fan? They did what they wanted to do, and I say more power to them. I like that they experimented. The fact that even the band themselves don't want to play any of their material from post-1991 says that it's the fans who let THEM down.

If they had kept going in the style of the Black Album, it would be a lot easier to forgive them. But they decayed even further.
The fact that they stopped referencing metal at all in the 90s shows that they cared nothing at all for the scene that propelled them into the spotlight. The fact that the band don't want to play post 1991 material could say a lot of things. It's probably an admission that Load, ReLoad and St. Anger were really shit!

It's this kind of viewpoint in metal and hardcore as far as loads of different bands that I've always disliked. Green Day sold out in 1994 and 2004 respectively, Metallica sold out in 1991, Black Flag sold out in 1984, Dillinger Escape Plan sold out in 2004, whatever. I apply the phrase 'sellout' to very few artists - the names of which escape me at this second because I care so little - and that's because firstly, I don't think 99% of these alleged sellouts actually did. And secondly, even if they DID sell out, I don't blame them for it one bit, because, well, I like money too. Most of these bands would've ended up making the same album over and over again if they hadn't 'sold out.' As for my personal artistic standpoint, I'd sooner experiment and get called a sellout than make the same safe music.

Metallica were progressing, though. Every album was fairly unique in some way or another. It's fair enough that they wanted to play with catchier music for the Black Album. At least, at that point, the album had elements of what really was Metallica. They weren't as good at hard rock as they were at thrash metal, but more power to them, like you said. But then they went and ignored what happened and removed elements that made Metallica the poster-boys of metal. The ripping solos, vocals that threatened to rip the ears off the casual listener and the high speed was gone.
Oh, and so was Cliff! James lost his voice. Ulrich got really, really bad at drumming. Kirk's solos were cut back.
Effectively, the elements of the music changed so much that Metallica may as well rename themselves because they don't have much in common with the band that released KEA and RTL.

And as for ramming drumsticks up groupies' asses? OMGNOZ
1. I'm sure that's probably the least of what they, and other bands - Led Zeppelin? Motley f'ing Crue anyone? - did to groupies...
2. ...groupies who most likely volunteered for this duty. They're groupies. If they didn't want stuff getting shoved in their various holes, that's their own fault for being a groupie in the first place.

The point is that they were ramming drumsticks up groupies' asses instead of making inspiring albums like RTL. They, very literally, went from well-respected thrash metal heroes to packing fudge.

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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #145 on: 18 Jun 2008, 21:43 »

I don't think they can blame anyone but themselves for load and reload sucking, there isn't anything wrong with blues metal, see early danzig, but the songs they made just really sucked.

As for the groupies thing, I am not touching that.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #146 on: 19 Jun 2008, 00:46 »

breaking the law = no contest. its called breaking the law, how con you go wrong?
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #147 on: 19 Jun 2008, 01:35 »

breaking the law = no contest. its called breaking the law, how con you go wrong?

If you were to be caught.

Heh. How "con" you go wrong. I desperately want that to be a subtle pun. But I know it's just at typo.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #148 on: 19 Jun 2008, 09:28 »

*cracks knuckles*

To a pack of wolves: I'm not saying it's ALRIGHT that Metallica shoved drumsticks up groupies' asses. I'm just saying they're part of a grand tradition of dickheadery which I've never approved of and singling them out isn't fair. I also think if you're going to be a goddamn groupie you should know the risks of what you're going into ahead of time. But then, Alex has since pointed out that he wasn't doing that, he was just making a point that they should've been writing better songs when they were sodomising groupies.

To Nodaisho: I still say Load and ReLoad are underrated records and before then there's a decent to good album, especially if you ignore who made it. I'm probably the only Metallica fan in the world who likes 'Mama Said' (it's one of the ones I can understand. Blues-metal is one thing, but motherfucking country? You're Metallica dammit) but I think 'Until It Sleeps' is one of their greatest songs, and 'Fuel,' 'The Memory Remains' and 'Hero Of The Day' are pretty damn good too. There's also a whole heaping pile of suck, but then that's probably at least partially because both discs are about 80 minutes long for no reason.

To MadassAlex: There's a difference between moving on from the scene and not caring about it. I doubt Daryl Palumbo has stopped caring about post-hardcore just because he's in what's essentially a pop band with Head Automatica. Frank Turner's a folk singer now, albeit a pretty visceral one. And hell, in the opposite direction, if Bob Dylan hadn't picked up an electric guitar again in 1965 then we'd be short about a hundred classic songs.

I'm not saying Metallica weren't progressing, I'm saying I think there's only so far they could've gone before they started repeating themselves. Also, as a live act, I think they've lost it. Without Cliff's distinctive bass playing, or even Jason Newsted's vocal harmonies (which I really, really miss, by the way. I think they added a noteable extra layer to their live sound) they sound so thin, and the songs sound more and more alike with each performance I see them give.

I'm also not exactly hopeful about the new album (what kind of a fucking title is Death Magnetic???) but I think what we can probably agree on is they haven't got much hope of making a good new album now or for the forseeable future. They're too old to get back to being the hungry metallers they once were, and they've gone too far away from it to start from scratch again really.
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Re: The Greatest Rock Song Of All Time. Ever.
« Reply #149 on: 19 Jun 2008, 11:38 »

I actually like the black album, and while I will admit that a few of the songs on load and reload could be good, they just kind of grate, I don't know where the flaw is, but they annoy me, for the most part.
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