Topic: World of Warcraft (Read 651295 times)

Lines · « **Reply #1550 on:** 10 Sep 2009, 15:38 »

Getting dual spec to get resto has really made me love the tree. Best HoTs ever. I do still love being a boomkin, but I feel like I'm doing more as a healer now that I've been doing it more often.

Covetous · « **Reply #1551 on:** 10 Sep 2009, 23:21 »

If PvP you, tuskars vitality is your friend, kite the crapy bladestorm warriors you can. (My heads messed up after watching the latest zero punctuation.)
When warriors do bladestorm they don't get any movement improving effects.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1552 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 11:43 »

Yeh but a good one will hamstring and/or demoralising shout first. Meta speed increase is normally better as stam on boots in pvp is kinda ugly.

Alex C · « **Reply #1553 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 13:43 »

It's pretty ridiculous how geared I am getting. The only thing I really wish to change right now are my trinkets.

Dazed · « **Reply #1554 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 15:30 »

Likewise. The warlock 2 piece t9 bonus is kind of absurdly OP for destruction with the new empowered imp. I'm in almost entirely 10-man gear, and starting to see 6k dps on non-gimmick 10 man bosses.

Alex C · « **Reply #1555 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 15:43 »

Lucky. The rogue tier 9 set bonuses are a sad joke.

Dazed · « **Reply #1556 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 15:47 »

Well, I mean, my 4-piece is the same as my t8 2piece. But that's ok, b/c that bonus rocks the shit too.

Alex C · « **Reply #1557 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 16:27 »

I lose DPS by going with anything but 4 piece 25 man Heroic gear. The drop off is that bad.

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #1558 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 17:06 »

Jeez, I cant PvP worth shit and havent really instanced much or raided ever before. So my gear is merely of the old fashioned quest or more likely AH variety. Really the only reason I get by is through my sick DPS when compared to other 'non-hardcore' players

Alex C · « **Reply #1559 on:** 11 Sep 2009, 17:55 »

I just went through and really properly configured my UI to work with my new spec. I barely managed to top the meters last week despite having a few key indicators unavailable and little practical experience with modern Mutilate specs, but now I've got Event Horizon set up and I have a series of sound events that go off when certain conditions are met. I've managed to tighten my rotation up to the point where I can maintain 5.1k dps against the top level combat dummy without any sort of buffs or even weaving in Expose Armor. I think my guildies are going to be pleasantly surprised when we finish off Ulduar on Monday.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1560 on:** 12 Sep 2009, 16:31 »

My mate was in a failpug and decided to make a vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dfpGW7pfzo
My idea etc. because I am a dick abnd have often hearthed out of raids while in combat to save a repair bill on groups that are not worth it (Getting an OT to taunt off me on thadd 25man because I had over 100k threat header in front of the person 2nd on ome, with the thaddius buff... that is how bad the dps was then they failed while I was safe and sound in dala).

Audio was removed, was some FANTASTIC polka.

Alex C · « **Reply #1561 on:** 12 Sep 2009, 17:02 »

I doubt anything will beat the time I did Nexus and the DK tank fell off a ledge to his death and then promptly got killed by the li'l flowers on his way back to the group.

Lines · « **Reply #1562 on:** 13 Sep 2009, 15:59 »

Haha, I've had people be curious and jump for the hell of it, but not do it by accident and get killed on the way back. Hell, I've jumped off the side of Hellfire Peninsula for the same reason. (You fall for a minute, then you get the loading screen, and end up in a graveyard, if you're curious.)

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #1563 on:** 13 Sep 2009, 16:20 »

Dinged 70, dont have WotLK... now what.

Chorbrak

Alex C · « **Reply #1564 on:** 13 Sep 2009, 16:21 »

Yeah, to be honest, the falling didn't really bother me. It's just a game so it's reasonable to expect people to be careless or even curious once in a while. But dying to the flowers? They only have 5,000 health! I just don't see how a DK tank couldn't at least limp back to the group against those things. Keep in mind that this was a couple patches ago when DKs were at the height of their powers.

Lines · « **Reply #1565 on:** 13 Sep 2009, 19:30 »

Oh, I've fallen a lot. Blackrock and I do not get along. I ALWAYS fell in to the lava, ALWAYS. It's stupid. But really, like I'm sure everyone else has, I always doubt the skills of DKs. I mean, I have one and I haven't had any major catastrophes when tanking with it, but just about everyone has a DK alt and most of those people don't know how to use them. Basically the huntard has evolved into the dumb knight. Not saying every DK is stupid, as I've partied with several good ones, but it's rare to get one that doesn't make you facepalm at least once.

But the again, I find that true about just about any party. I really enjoy this game, but I don't like most of the people who play it.

jmrz · « **Reply #1566 on:** 13 Sep 2009, 22:39 »

I pugged some heroics the other day and the daily with AN. There was another mage in the party, better geared than me, same spec and I was out-dpsing them by about 500-800. It made little sense to me until they somehow managed to get lost trying to get back into AN, then decided to swap specs because "that might be better" and basically had no idea what they were doing. It was a massive facepalm moment.

I also ended up with a pugged pally in another party who gave all the casters might and the melee and tank kings. Also a bit of a fail moment there.

Covetous · « **Reply #1567 on:** 13 Sep 2009, 23:31 »

Guild finally downed the faction champions and after that the valkyria twins and anub'arak was a cake walk. The loot part was a disapointment. Brought a freshly dinged hunter (1 week). He was with us when we did our farmbosses in ulduar and got 4% crit and 800 ap as upgrade in the end that day. And guess if the blody x-bow doesn't drop from anub'arak AND mail shoulders. No one else could use em. Lucky he's a good player that will continue raiding with us. But the thing is he allready have a ulduar geared warlock from his last guild, a descently geared warrior, druid and priest.
A new klassik falling down moment is kologan. I did it as tank, our rogue did it, our MT did it. Just happens at least every second week that someone panics or doesn't look where hes going and falls down.

Jimor · « **Reply #1568 on:** 14 Sep 2009, 00:15 »

My paladin main just hit 55, so I fired up the Death Knight, almost done with the starting quests. Fun stuff.

Pengupower · « **Reply #1569 on:** 14 Sep 2009, 11:57 »

For those with curious jumping habits, you can also jump off in Razorscale's room as our paladin decided to when he wondered if he could. I might have fallen early in Ulduar when I was tanking Kologarn and was wondering how close I had to be to melee him

. It is memorialized in one of our channel join phonetics in vent being "needs more handrails". The week before I think it happened to one of our other tanks (I was gone that week). It did give her the defense of see it wasn't just her.

The loot thing usually follows the way of inverse need. If you bring a brand new person to fill out your last spot gear that only they could use will drop. The corollary to that is if you are trying to gear up said 25th person quickly to fill a main raiding role then all of the gear they could have used had they been their weeks before that got disenchanted will suddenly stop dropping.

Alex C · « **Reply #1570 on:** 14 Sep 2009, 12:26 »

Yep. The day after I finally got my tier 8.5 glove token (after much internal debate since we go by loot council and have had terrible luck with that token), we did VoA and in accordance to Murphy's law Emalon dropped two of pairs of rogue tier 8.5 gloves which were both promptly disenchanted.

Alex C · « **Reply #1571 on:** 14 Sep 2009, 18:59 »

Apparently I do about 7.5k dps under optimal conditions with my new spec.

Covetous · « **Reply #1572 on:** 14 Sep 2009, 23:12 »

Based on spreadcheet, training dummy or patchwerk?

Alex C · « **Reply #1573 on:** 15 Sep 2009, 17:36 »

Ignus. Didn't pad dps with FoK either.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1574 on:** 20 Sep 2009, 16:18 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8khZcx5LZ-M

One of my rl mates spent like 2 hours doing this, he has done it like 3 times now.

Is on mmo champ and US forums naio,

Internets fame?

Dude is a tard though.

jmrz · « **Reply #1575 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 07:25 »

Wow... two hours and no alliance came to stop him? I mean, the two alliance that popped up at the end were just watching him do it. How many goes did that take him to do?

Alex C · « **Reply #1576 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 07:53 »

I probably would have waited until he was about done and then hit him with Dismantle.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1577 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 07:57 »

He did it a few times, often people would come to kill him and fail then give up, one point he had a retadin and a rogue on him but they both died and gave up.

Sometimes when you see shit like that, you don't really want the honour kill, you want to see if they can do it.

Even dismantled his avoidance is pretty high so I doubt much would happen with some well placed CD's.

Covetous · « **Reply #1578 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 08:08 »

Well, a retardin and a retardogue can't really take a prot pally anyway so they were just stupid.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1579 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 08:24 »

Still impressive, if you wanted to mess him up, dispell all his buffs tbh, or as a warrior 5 sunders and a shattering blow while silencing him.

Many ways it could have been done, but he found a way that works well on a "soft" hitting mob and used it in a good way.

Alex C · « **Reply #1580 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 08:31 »

Quote from: clockworkjames on 21 Sep 2009, 07:57

Even dismantled his avoidance is pretty high so I doubt much would happen with some well placed CD's.

Yeah, that's probably true; Varian does do pretty shitty dps. And yeah, I would have hit him with dismantle and expose, basically.

Well, that and I can ignore somewhere around 60%+ armor when trinkets proc.

Lines · « **Reply #1581 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 08:47 »

To be honest, I would have just watched, too. If someone made it up there and was still alive, it's worth watching. (Unless I was really bored and had a way epic'd out caster. There's no way I'd ever run up to a pally tank and start beating on him.)

Alex C · « **Reply #1582 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 08:52 »

Yeah, but I'm a rogue. We have standards to sink to.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1583 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 09:02 »

60% arp on proc is low, base for my dk ain't much lower than that in dps gear

Alex C · « **Reply #1584 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 09:06 »

I haven't checked my paper doll in a while and that's in my "I'm in mut gear but about to kill a pally so I'm using Grim Toll again (mostly for the hit rating, actually)" setup. If I was sticking with combat it'd be much, much higher because I'd actually gem for it and swap out a ton of expertise for ArPen.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1585 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 09:41 »

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10920983376&sid=1

FU blizz.

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #1586 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 15:17 »

Since Im level capped and not involved in the game enough to know 5 people to instance I started a Pally, what talent tree is 'better' Prot or Retrib?

Alex C · « **Reply #1587 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 16:22 »

For short term leveling the answer is definitely Retribution. Prot pallies are pretty OP right now and are worth investigating at higher levels, but you don't get Consecration until 20 and Holy Shield is deep in the talent tree, so even if you want to go that way it's probably best to just wait until 40 and respec for it.

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #1588 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 17:05 »

Couldnt have asked for a better answer, thanks!

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1589 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 20:04 »

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Vagoo

My pala hordeside, levelling prot is fun as a motherfucker.

(bring drinks)

Alex C · « **Reply #1590 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 20:41 »

Quote from: clockworkjames on 21 Sep 2009, 20:04

(bring drinks)

And that's why I tend to recommend Ret until 40. Behold! That said, I can totally buy into Prot being as good at 40 or higher once. Reckoning, Consecration, Holy Shield and a shield spike adds up really damn fast when you're fighting a half dozen mobs at once. Before then it's still fun, but also a bit slower overall.

Covetous · « **Reply #1591 on:** 21 Sep 2009, 23:52 »

Ah, there is a use for seal of command!

Alex C · « **Reply #1592 on:** 22 Sep 2009, 10:16 »

Well, Seal of Righteousness is still lot better, to be honest. But if you want to scare up some mana quick by Judging Wisdom for a couple pulls, Glyphed SoC is a good option. It's too bad that the Glyph of Seal of Righteousness has the level 55 requirement though, or else the question of what to slap in alongside the Judgement Glyph while leveling would be a no brainer. The Consecration glyph is a good option too, if you use that a lot, but Consecration is kind of expensive when used on a limited number of targets.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1593 on:** 23 Sep 2009, 01:30 »

12% less arpen... ouch.

Alex C · « **Reply #1594 on:** 23 Sep 2009, 10:31 »

Yeah. The other rogues in my guild were all combat specd and riding the glyphed FoK train to glory and they're all really hurting now after the patch. It's kind of sad, really, since they never should have gotten into the habit of leaning on FoK that much in the first place, because honestly their single target damage was never really that hot to begin with. But between my decision to "wean" myself off of FoK a bit before the patch hit and the Envenom & Master Poisoner buffs, my Assassination spec has actually been slightly buffed after the patch. I plain destroyed the other rogues in my guild last night on the meters.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #1595 on:** 23 Sep 2009, 15:26 »

Levelling my rogue I want a cleave, but I dunno what FoK is apart from an AoE interrupt put on GCD in 3.1, how does it work into single target rotation?

Also onyxia is the new ezmoedlewt 10 man, exact the same as at 60 bur now with elite dragonkin adds in phase 2.

WAY TO KEEP IT FRESH BLIZZ.

Oh wait-

0bsessions · « **Reply #1596 on:** 23 Sep 2009, 15:47 »

I don't get all the people bitching relentlessly about the lack of originality in a random little bonus boss.

If this were all we were getting for a major content patch, that'd be one thing, but 3.2 hit, what, a month and a half ago? And people are still crying that Onyxia's more of the same?

Alex C · « **Reply #1597 on:** 23 Sep 2009, 16:06 »

Well, it's like this: Rogues in high end Ulduar gear have two real priorities: Keep Slice and Dice up, and keep Rupture up. Beyond that, they just work on fitting as many Eviscerates/Envenoms with mutilate rogues envenom refreshes slice anyway, which is nice) in as they can. Simple in theory, sometimes impractical in reality. In a lot of trash scenarios you had two real options:

1. Maintaining Rupture (preferably on multiple targets) and Slice and dice, blending FoK between refreshes rather than going for Eviscerates etc. In essence, keep the majority of your single target rotation and sprinkle in AoE whenever it wouldn't cripple your single target dps. FoK can apply poisons, so you're actually depending a lot on Deadly ticks to do your real aoe damage.

2. Face roll FoK. Before, you could often get away with this any time there were 3 or more targets and not really lose any damage potential. Your single target dps turned to dog shit, but glyphed and with the right talents and enough targets it worked, often well enough to top the meters.

But after the Fok nerf? It's usually much, much better to go with option 1 and rogues who never learned to approach it that way are feeling the pinch. Which, really, is a good thing for high end raiding and rewards skill rather nicely; I've barely felt the nerf in raids. But it's a pretty raw deal in Heroics, and I have a bit of a rough time keeping up with other classes there now because AoE is king vs. weak content.

Covetous · « **Reply #1598 on:** 24 Sep 2009, 00:27 »

Onyxia was fun but easy. Droped druid boomkin helm x2. Sadly I was there with my paladin as off tank instead of my druid main.

Going to try to pug the 25-man version tonight.

How crapy is arpen now then?

Alex C · « **Reply #1599 on:** 24 Sep 2009, 07:31 »

It's not crappy. Most builds that highly valued it before will highly value it now. For most people it probably shouldn't change how they gear, although a few rogues and ferals may need to go back to gemming Agility (I don't know if the strength classes ever went with ArPen gems; I know Retribution paladins didn't thanks to talents & Seals). Like me, for example. If I had remained combat, it would have been optimal for me to gem for ArPen before the patch and now Agility ever so slightly outperforms it again even for combat rogues. Doesn't really matter either way, however, since I'm specced into Mutilate now.

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