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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #200 on: 10 Aug 2008, 17:08 »

kids listen to your mother, she knows best.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #201 on: 10 Aug 2008, 17:28 »

"There are only two things I can't stand: People who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures,


and the Dutch!"


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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #202 on: 10 Aug 2008, 17:40 »

Stuff

Yes, but I was more replying to your observation about how Americans seem to you like people from overseas living in America.

I was trying to make the point that that is completely untrue.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #203 on: 10 Aug 2008, 17:51 »

My personal observation that Americans seem to me to be like people from overseas living in America is completely untrue?

Ah.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #204 on: 10 Aug 2008, 17:54 »

Presumably with the exception of Native Americans, everyone who lives in America is from overseas.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #205 on: 10 Aug 2008, 17:57 »

My personal observation that Americans seem to me to be like people from overseas living in America is completely untrue?

What is your favorite kind of pie, chocolate fudge or banana cream?

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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #206 on: 10 Aug 2008, 18:00 »

(I'm actually wanting him to answer the question. It's an old bit from the Daily Show.)


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(but y'know never mind now, the joke is now ruined.)

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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #207 on: 10 Aug 2008, 18:08 »

I think I prefer chocolate fudge, but I will change my answer to hear that joke if necessary.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #208 on: 10 Aug 2008, 18:43 »

My personal observation that Americans seem to me to be like people from overseas living in America is completely untrue?

Ah.

You implied that the cultures are not distinctly their own in America.

So yes, that is completely untrue. You can make a personal observation that is wrong.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #209 on: 10 Aug 2008, 18:51 »

I was more replying to your observation about how Americans seem to you like people from overseas living in America.

Then why did you lead off with this?

It's somewhat offensive to imagine someone believing that American culture is shaped by the mass media.

I mean, that's a completely different point, and one that he agrees with you on. It strikes me as odd that you are trying to drum up an argument with someone who is basically agreeing with you.

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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #210 on: 10 Aug 2008, 19:02 »

I really wasn't trying to start an argument, just not being completely clear when disagreeing with a very specific part of his post. Mainly saying that he seems to believe that the culture of most Americans is indistinguishable from people overseas. That Americans are "just Europeans, Asians, and Africans" living in America. I suppose I muddled what he was saying about the mass media as part of it. But essentially my point still stands. Americans have a very distinct culture(s) and Tommy does not seem to see that.

I realize I was unclear in my original point. But who cares, this is what I'm trying to say.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #211 on: 10 Aug 2008, 19:08 »

It's more that all those cultures (European, Asian, African) still exist, but have taken on their own American flair, and contributed to the wider American culture as a whole.
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« Reply #212 on: 10 Aug 2008, 19:12 »

Of course, culture evolves in an organic manner like everything else. But most American cultures are so vastly different from everything overseas you can't mistake them for any other culture any more.

Someone from the American south, who really is a part of the culture, is completely unlike someone pretty much anywhere else.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #213 on: 10 Aug 2008, 19:52 »

(I'm actually wanting him to answer the question. It's an old bit from the Daily Show.)

So! You expect us all to revel in your culture you imperialist pig

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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #214 on: 10 Aug 2008, 20:40 »

shut up you don't ruin my bitingly sarcastic quips

Except that he never asserted that Americans invented pie in the first place, so being sarcastic about it was pretty pointless.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #215 on: 10 Aug 2008, 21:24 »

In retrospect, I can see why he thought that's what I meant.

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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #216 on: 11 Aug 2008, 05:24 »

Someone from the American south, who really is a part of the culture, is completely unlike someone pretty much anywhere else.

Come on, now, we all know that if you live in a city with more than half a million people in it, you're a Yankee.
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Re: patriotism/nationalism
« Reply #217 on: 11 Aug 2008, 07:06 »


Well I get what you might be saying, but people are welcome if they just follow the parameters of entry. I get that there are times when this is not possible for them, and I'm not even against illegal immigration, really, but it's not like somebody trying to legally gain citizenship isn't going to be thrown out for their ethnicity, creed, etc.


That's what I meant by my earlier posts


And if we're talking about American culture, it is distinct and the same-created from many other cultures blended into one.
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