Topic: Beethoven's actual best symphony is his 7th (Read 16218 times)

Be My Head · « **on:** 13 Mar 2010, 23:18 »

Agree/Disagree

JD · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 Mar 2010, 23:20 »

Indifferent

Zingoleb · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 Mar 2010, 23:26 »

Quote from: Zombiedude on 13 Mar 2010, 23:20

Indifferent

Be My Head · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 Mar 2010, 23:27 »

Just listen to it, it's so much better than the 5th (overthought) and the 9th (too complicated, Beethoven's best compositions are his most simple)

Inlander · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 00:11 »

Agree.

Especially the slow movement.

Retrospectre · « **Reply #5 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 07:43 »

Stop living in the past guys

sean · « **Reply #6 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 08:33 »

damnit i could of actually seen this performed last night, except it was at my school and i got kicked out of the dorms friday night for spring break and i wasn't about to drive back.

but they also did mozarts clarinet concerto in a major, which would have ruled too.

Inlander · « **Reply #7 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 08:35 »

Quote from: Retrospectre on 14 Mar 2010, 07:43

Stop living in the past guys

Says the guy whose username is Retrospectre.

amok · « **Reply #8 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 09:23 »

negative

David_Dovey · « **Reply #9 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 10:12 »

DUN DUN DUN DUN

DUNN DUNN DUN DUUNNNNNNNN

KickThatBathProf · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 10:17 »

Disagree

It is actually the 6th

Zingoleb · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 13:53 »

Oh and I've been meaning to ask this but since you started this thread I may as well

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Song = something that has lyrics and is usually sung. Please stop calling instrumental pieces songs. It's killing your brain cells.

Then what do we call them?

KickThatBathProf · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 14:12 »

or just piece

or you could just call it by it's actual name it's not that hard to say symphony

Zingoleb · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 14:53 »

Quote from: KickThatBathProf on 14 Mar 2010, 14:12

or just piece

or you could just call it by it's actual name it's not that hard to say symphony

Well, this is more relating beyond just Beethoven's symphonies. I have no idea how to pronounce most of Edvard Grieg's works because it's in a language I don't speak. Referring to an EitS song as a 'piece' feels weird to me.

Then again, I'm a picky bitch.

Inlander · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 16:54 »

Quote from: KickThatBathProf on 14 Mar 2010, 10:17

It is actually the 6th

Problem is years of repeated behaviour mean I've conditioned myself so that every time I hear the 6th I feel like I have to start doing some cleaning up around the house.

De_El · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 17:40 »

YES AGREE
Movement #2 is the bomb diggity, srsly

KickThatBathProf · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 17:57 »

Quote from: Zingoleb on 14 Mar 2010, 14:53

Quote from: KickThatBathProf on 14 Mar 2010, 14:12
or just piece

or you could just call it by it's actual name it's not that hard to say symphony

Well, this is more relating beyond just Beethoven's symphonies. I have no idea how to pronounce most of Edvard Grieg's works because it's in a language I don't speak. Referring to an EitS song as a 'piece' feels weird to me.

Then again, I'm a picky bitch.

Yeah usually you call anything that's not classical as just "song" or some synonym

sean · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 20:50 »

Explosions in the Sky writes songs.

Beethoven wrote pieces.

It's that simple. When Explosions in the Sky writes a 3 movement symphony instead of an album I'll start calling their work pieces.

KickThatBathProf · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 21:12 »

Yeah what he said

Zingoleb · « **Reply #19 on:** 14 Mar 2010, 23:52 »

I'm just going back to what the sig says - an instrumental piece is not a song as it is not sung. Not that I agree with it! I'm just curious what the dude who is saying it has to say about my question.

sean · « **Reply #20 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 00:00 »

dude who cares they are a rock band hence they write songs. the definition of a word can go beyond the dictionary, you know. think of the words vernacular usage!

Zingoleb · « **Reply #21 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 00:07 »

I just want to know this one dude's opinion!

Dang, maybe I should have just messaged him. Oh, well.

pwhodges · « **Reply #22 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 04:27 »

Dictionaries are intended to record vernacular usage, not to try to define it.

Beethoven wrote lots of songs (including several sets of arrangements of Scottish songs).

His seventh symphony is my favourite (I played it at school, when I played the clarinet in the orchestra - I have a recording of this...).

october1983 · « **Reply #23 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 05:10 »

Quote from: Jeans on 14 Mar 2010, 14:17

That's what the Ephraimites thought too, but they couldn't say "shibboleth" and what happened then? BAM. Forty-two thousand dead Ephraimites. Judges 12:5.

Oh, Jens.

Akima · « **Reply #24 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 07:05 »

Disagree. Personally, I prefer the Ninth.

And for me, a musical piece without voices singing can't be a song. This calling any album track a "song" must be a USAnian slang thing. It's not common in Australia.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #25 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 07:22 »

Uh, really?

EDIT to CLARIFY: I live in Australia and I would beg to differ! In fact I am pretty comfortable sticking to sean's definition:

Quote from: sean on 15 Mar 2010, 00:00

dude who cares they are a rock band hence they write songs.

Inlander · « **Reply #26 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 07:32 »

Nah, for me it's always been songs and tunes. And if it's classical, then they're compositions.

Course, then some arsehole like Mendelssohn comes along and fucks the whole system up.

Be My Head · « **Reply #27 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 14:58 »

Quote from: Zingoleb on 15 Mar 2010, 00:07

I just want to know this one dude's opinion!

Dang, maybe I should have just messaged him. Oh, well.

I just came back to read this thread again. Okay.

You don't have to agree with me, but I'm going by what the word 'song' means. Since singing is the verb form of Song, I don't really call anything without words a song, unless the person who wrote it specifically wrote it as a song with no words . So if [insert post-rock band here] calls their stuff 'songs', then I have absolutely no problem with other people calling them that. I can't remember any of the post-rock bands I listen to using the word song to describe their music, but whatever.

What I *do* take an issue with is people calling things that blatantly aren't songs, and were never intended to be. Like saying "oh snap I love that awesome song by Liszt, his songs are so much better than Chopin's" or something like that. It just annoys me, you know? Because it shows to me that the person doesn't take the time to learn about the form the composer is using and differentiate that from other forms. They just assume it's all the same. Which imho is going backwards musically. I wouldn't call anything Aphex Twin has composed songs either, and I don't think he ever has.

On topic:

The 7th is also my favourite because it walks the line between being too emotional and too cold and emotionless. Like, the notes in the first movement make you feel something, but they don't hit you over the head with it. It's subtle, which is something I appreciate, and something Beethoven is a little lacking in his other symphonies in my opinion.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #28 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 15:20 »

Man, I liked him before he got all popular and sold out. His earlier work was way better.

Be My Head · « **Reply #29 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 15:25 »

His first symphony is probably my second favourite to be honest...

David_Dovey · « **Reply #30 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 17:59 »

Quote from: Be My Head on 15 Mar 2010, 14:58

Like saying "oh snap I love that awesome song by Liszt, his songs are so much better than Chopin's" or something like that.

Does this actually happen?

Inlander · « **Reply #31 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 18:05 »

You haven't been past a schoolyard in a long time, have you Dovey? The kids these days are all about the retro-Romantic revival. All dissin' on Liszt or cutting mad rhymes about Chopin (you should see some of these kids rap in waltz time). Some of them are even trying to pass off tuberculosis as a lifestyle choice!!

Strange times.

Zingoleb · « **Reply #32 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 18:21 »

My friend has tuberculosis. He claims it's not a choice, he was born that way.

I don't really know.

Akima · « **Reply #33 on:** 15 Mar 2010, 20:58 »

Quote from: David_Dovey on 15 Mar 2010, 07:22

Uh, really? EDIT to CLARIFY: I live in Australia and I would beg to differ! In fact I am pretty comfortable sticking to sean's definition:

*shrug* Yankee cultural imperialism!

Or maybe because I'm ESL, I sometimes use English a bit stiffly.

Damnable Fiend · « **Reply #34 on:** 16 Mar 2010, 17:43 »

has anyone mentioned opera yet? compositions with singing.

KickThatBathProf · « **Reply #35 on:** 16 Mar 2010, 17:48 »

you would call the entire composition an opera

or i guess you could call the individual pieces within an opera songs, but you probably should call them as their actual name (like aria or recitative or chorus) because they are quite different from each other

Damnable Fiend · « **Reply #36 on:** 16 Mar 2010, 21:03 »

sorry for the poor wording. that was, more or less, what I meant.

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