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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #400 on: 03 Mar 2010, 16:39 »

It seems to me that a lot of people describing The Stones or Dylan or whoever as folk or blues rip-off artists miss that a lot of folk and blues has always seemingly been constructed from a kind of pantheon of universal songs, riffs, lyrics and tunes that you'd meld into your own order.

Fuckin' YES. Blowing In The Wind is based off an old spiritual song, No More Auction Block. Masters Of War is based on the melody for  Nottamun Town. That's the way folk music (used to/does) work, you take an old melody and change the lyrics/structure to work more for a current audience. That's how every single musician ever operates; you take stuff you like and you put it in a blender.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #401 on: 03 Mar 2010, 16:40 »

I realise that was a bit off topic so I'll say FUCKIN PAVEMENT ARE SO OVERRATED BLARRG THEY SUCK
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #402 on: 04 Mar 2010, 00:29 »

The Stones didn't do anything new (paraphrased)

(trimmed) The brilliance of The Stones was the fact that they created a new form of pop music which perfectly synthesised rock'n'roll, the blues, country, soul, R&B, folk and gospel. My knowledge of rock music is fair and I can't off the top of my head think of another band which attempted this, let alone succeeded. (trimmed)

Pink Floyd

Pat, I adore Floyd, but they didn't at all do what tommy was describing.

Idunno man they sure sounded like they took a lot out of gospel and out of '50s doo-wop when they recorded "Eclipse" is all I'm saying. Try to convince me that the lead guitar in "Breathe" didn't sound like it was picking and choosing bits of country (the lead guitar is just a Strat played with a slide, but it sure sounds a lot like a steel guitar) and jazz. And then tell me that "Another Brick In The Wall" isn't lifted directly out of funk. Genre mashing was totally within Floyd's grasp.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #403 on: 04 Mar 2010, 02:02 »

Yes but I think the idea tommy was trying to get across was that the Stones melded all of those influences you just said + more, and did it all at once, in a cohesive and holistic way, as opposed to the examples you just gave where Floyd took certain influences singularly and only for certain songs and certain parts of songs, i.e;

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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #404 on: 04 Mar 2010, 02:09 »

Did I say Justice yet?

Justice.
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« Reply #405 on: 04 Mar 2010, 02:13 »

The debut album was undeniably great but literally everything they've made and done since has been so "paint-by-numbers" that I don't think there's a lot of patience left for them.

Then again, I dunno, maybe people still lose their shit over them? I have literally no idea what the state of dance music is anymore.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #406 on: 04 Mar 2010, 02:23 »

The debut album was undeniably great
The only good track was "DVNO", and that was a straight-up Daft Punk ripoff. And nothing featuring an Uffie feature can ever be considered great.

Then again, I dunno, maybe people still lose their shit over them? I have literally no idea what the state of dance music is anymore.
It was in the mid-30s of Tinymixtapes' top 50 albums of the decade list. They ranked it higher than Discovery, which I thought was funny. But I'm not sure it matters what critics say, the people love Justice. They love Justice and Glitch Mob. They show up to Bloody Beatroots sets.

As for dance music in its current state... A lot of the stuff on Hyperdub isn't nearly as good as it's made out to be. The post-Dilla west coast abstract hip hop scene (say that five times fast) is becoming overheated pretty fast as well, I think. I've had a bunch of freshman twats in Boulder try and sell me on how Shpongle is REVOLUTIONIZING MUSIC, but I'm pretty sure I identified the source of that praise, and it's almost exclusively the Burning Man festival and its assorted activities.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #407 on: 04 Mar 2010, 02:38 »

They ranked it higher than Discovery

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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #408 on: 04 Mar 2010, 06:01 »

I disagree violently Jens.











Daft Punk are utter dogshit.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #409 on: 04 Mar 2010, 06:04 »

Justice are worse though, so at least we're all agreeing on something.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #410 on: 04 Mar 2010, 09:28 »

I had some good fun with Justice when they were a new thing to be excited about, but when it comes to the incredibly specific category of French bloghaus from 2007, I much prefer to revisit Danger. 

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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #411 on: 04 Mar 2010, 10:12 »

Oh yeah, that reminds me.

Daft Punk are playin' at my house, my house.

Awesome! Can I come?!
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #412 on: 04 Mar 2010, 10:57 »

Justice were pretty cool but their material doesn't have the relistenability of Daft Punk.

Plus Rex The Dog made them both obsolete the following year soooooo

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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #413 on: 04 Mar 2010, 11:00 »

Every band that I dislike but happens to be popular.

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But then again, the only band I've listened to today is French rap-rock.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #414 on: 04 Mar 2010, 12:08 »

Fuckin' YES. Blowing In The Wind is based off an old spiritual song, No More Auction Block. Masters Of War is based on the melody for  Nottamun Town. That's the way folk music (used to/does) work, you take an old melody and change the lyrics/structure to work more for a current audience. That's how every single musician ever operates; you take stuff you like and you put it in a blender.

Not to derail the thread too much, but this touches so much on a subject that I've been thinking a lot about lately. During the first half of the 20th century it feels like playing music and making albums wasn't as much about writing new songs, but rather about giving a spin to old songs. I mean, look at most of the jazz and r&b singles of that era. I think the 33 1/3 book about OK Computer mentions this as well - music used to be about the song, but now that there's so much pressure on artists to write new songs a song only lives as long as the artist does, whereas truly great songs live past the author.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #415 on: 04 Mar 2010, 12:24 »

It's probably just a natural consequence of modern distribution and reproduction. It's far, far easier to follow individual artists and genres now than it was in the past. For centuries, if you wanted to hear a particular song, you got your talented buddies to pull out their instruments. Performing other people's music was par for the course since it was pretty much the only way to keep a song alive and the songs naturally changed with the playing in due time anyway. These days, if I want to a hear Beatles song I just throw on the Beatles, which rather renders the efforts of others to recreate their work somewhat redundant. It's sort of like the way painting and drawing shifted somewhat after the development of photography. Traditional artists couldn't compete with the way photographs could represent the world around us, so instead many turned their attention to surrealism, abstract art and other more stylistic works. Novelty is basically the only value people can agree on as being worth something these days.
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« Reply #416 on: 04 Mar 2010, 15:37 »

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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #417 on: 05 Mar 2010, 18:51 »

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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #418 on: 06 Mar 2010, 01:34 »

Broken Social Scene.
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #419 on: 06 Mar 2010, 02:09 »

I was about to say "THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS" but then I realized they have two good albums

God what a sad realization
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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #420 on: 06 Mar 2010, 12:00 »

But those two albums are SO GOOD! And the EP that came with the s/t is pretty fab, too.

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Re: Overrated Bands
« Reply #421 on: 17 Mar 2010, 05:09 »

Crabcore as a genre.

It is overrated simply by the fact that there are people who like it unironically.
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