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Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« on: 31 Oct 2008, 12:21 »

I dunno about you but I'm having an absulute blast just watching Faye and Sven's "relationship". I think it's just hilarious. It got me thinking.... does anyone else know of "couples" that have this type of "relationship?"

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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #1 on: 31 Oct 2008, 12:57 »

Yes, it's typically called "friends with benefits", and it's not a good idea.

We all want sexual freedom and sexual power, but sharing that kind of intimacy just to scratch an itch? It leaves you vulnerable and doesn't lead to a mutually rewarding relationship (short term satisfaction does NOT lead to long term mutual respect and commitment).

I have an inkling that Faye is going to learn that the hard way.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #2 on: 31 Oct 2008, 13:15 »

I wouldn't exactly call this one "friends with benefits" though. Mostly because I think it's much more complex than that. What I personally find funny about it is the complexity of it. Like here's an ex-womanizer who calls himself an ex-womanizer simply because he changed from having sex with all sorts of women all the time to having sex with only one woman all the time. And that one woman hates the "womanizer" position yet she is the only one who is involved in the "womanizers" life. it's just funny :P
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #3 on: 31 Oct 2008, 14:45 »

If they were on Facebook, they'd be "it's complicated".
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #4 on: 31 Oct 2008, 15:02 »

I think that two mature people who know what they do and don't want can have a "friends with benefits" relationship very successfully.

Not that I think Sven and Faye are mature ;) but I don't think that's what they're doing anyway.

Did anyone else notice that the sign in the mirror is backwards? (By backward I mean not mirrored?)
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #5 on: 31 Oct 2008, 15:17 »

yes, everyone did.

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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #6 on: 31 Oct 2008, 17:58 »

The relationship seems to be one sided. Sven hasn't changed at all. Only person compromising their morals is Faye. Wonder how many girls actually go thru that same dilemma just to get laid... 
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« Reply #7 on: 31 Oct 2008, 18:06 »

Actually, I see Sven's current approach to be a hurt reaction to Faye's semi-rejection of him.

He deliberately forsook his ways as a philanderer.  She then aggressively approached him and used him for sex.  Given that she previously reproached him for being a philanderer, this makes her a hypocrite.

He then began to pursue a more meaningful relationship with her, which she rejected.

Now she turns to him for meaningful comfort and his response is to low-bid her; he offers her something shallow. 

Initially she rejects it, but then accepts it.  Perhaps she feels that's the best she can get?  The best she deserves?

Frankly, Sven was offering more at the beginning, though I think he was approaching a deep relationship from a shallow perspective (it was his first attempt and, really, how well does he know Faye?).  Still, he offered and she rejected.  His response is what she should expect.  He offered more, she rejected it.  Now she's asking for more and it would be selfish of her to expect him to just say "Yay!  Hugs!"
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #8 on: 31 Oct 2008, 18:36 »

Sven's story: historically casual/shallow man, used to relationships that started with sex and often didn't go anywhere else, decides that he has met a woman who's totally worth a change in his behavior.  Her disapproval of his womanizing ways challenges him to maybe get a little more serious about sex and relationships, so he tries.  He approaches her with an offer for a relationship that doesn't start with sex, and is rejected, because she does not trust him and she believes that he is being dishonest, and will in fact only care about the relationship for the sexual aspect.  She appears, then, to be turned on enough by the prospect of sex with him that SHE starts a relationship with sex, turning the tables on him rather neatly and giving him a bit of a headfuck.  He rapidly recovers and falls into the pattern of casual sex that he used to be in, going with the flow that she offered when she first started a sexual relationship with him.  He is now, presumably, willing to engage in a casual relationship with her (within reason), and also possibly willing to engage in something more if she seems receptive to it (which so far she has not).

Faye's story: historically neurotic woman, who finds it very difficult to trust others enough to be intimate with them, believes that her friend's brother is precisely the type of man who is to blame for people feeling the way she does (in that he seems to be cavalier in his treatment of the intimacy of others, and does not seem to be capable, or at least is unwilling, to engage in deeply intimate relationships).  This, of course, repulses her during a time when she is desperately trying to come to terms with the blockages against intimacy that she carried around inside herself.  After a series of situations that teach her that those blockages are doing far more to hurt her than anyone outside of herself, she decides to try to break them down by throwing herself into a sexual relationship with someone who seems to be safe (in that he will not ask her to be intimate with him).  When he acts like someone who WOULD in fact like intimacy, she responds with skepticism and rejection, beliving him to be using the same old womanizing tricks on her that he must have used on other girls (in reality, the only "trick" Sven seems to use is the trick of telling a girl that he is attracted to her and hoping that the feeling is mutual).  However, the intimacy-building influence of having sex with someone is steadily wearing down on her emotional blockages, bringing her out of her shell.

This is a great situation for both of them.  Faye is challenging Sven to improve himself by getting better at deep intimacy, and Sven is challenging Faye to improve herself by overcoming her aversion to intimacy.  They're good for each other right now, as long as they don't make any huge, dumb mistakes.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #9 on: 31 Oct 2008, 22:17 »

Personally, I'm just hoping when she stops by at eleven he just pulls out a deck of cards.


What? Cards can be fun.


And I like it when Faye feels sheepish.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #10 on: 31 Oct 2008, 22:41 »

that's actually pretty darn plausible. "you can come over and we can have a little fun" usually.... but doesn't always mean "have sex"
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #11 on: 01 Nov 2008, 12:57 »

Yes, it's typically called "friends with benefits", and it's not a good idea.

We all want sexual freedom and sexual power, but sharing that kind of intimacy just to scratch an itch? It leaves you vulnerable and doesn't lead to a mutually rewarding relationship (short term satisfaction does NOT lead to long term mutual respect and commitment).

I have an inkling that Faye is going to learn that the hard way.

This.
I honestly don't think the relationship is going anywhere. If it does, it will have some explosions of drama.

Disgusting.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #12 on: 01 Nov 2008, 16:29 »

"They're good for each other right now, as long as they don't make any huge, dumb mistakes."


um ... does anyone else see the potentiality waiting here like Thermite?

Faye (Rusted Heart) + Sven (Shiny, Reflectall Aluminium Heart) + pressure = BAWOOOOOOOOOOM!
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #13 on: 01 Nov 2008, 19:29 »

There's something about appearance that Jeph has, where he makes them hook up. Dora and Marten look almost related, and Faye and Sven, both brown-haired with glasses.
Next, Hannelore hooks up with a hat rack! Hooray
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #14 on: 01 Nov 2008, 19:48 »

Only if the hat rack is blond.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #15 on: 01 Nov 2008, 19:48 »

Naw, she'll hook up with one of these

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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #16 on: 01 Nov 2008, 20:59 »

that's actually pretty darn plausible. "you can come over and we can have a little fun" usually.... but doesn't always mean "have sex"

I've never in my life used fun as a euphemism for sex.


Then again, I generally don't use euphemisms.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #17 on: 01 Nov 2008, 21:27 »

Only if the hat rack is blond.

Ahh the plot thickens, when we find out that the hat rack is wearing the worry hat, thus we are unable to see what colour hair it has. Hanners thinks the rack has the same problems as she and they live happily ever after
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #18 on: 02 Nov 2008, 01:03 »

Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #19 on: 02 Nov 2008, 01:13 »

Did you read any other posts before adding that contribution?
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #20 on: 02 Nov 2008, 01:51 »

Aww, it's the guy;s first post. Let's cut him some slack
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #21 on: 02 Nov 2008, 08:08 »

Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?

 :roll:

man poor Jeph... I wonder how emails he got regarding this. I aint ever being a webcomic author :P
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« Reply #22 on: 02 Nov 2008, 08:22 »

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They're good for each other right now, as long as they don't make any huge, dumb mistakes.

This is QC.

Those are some really good observations though.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #23 on: 02 Nov 2008, 12:19 »

Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?

Daft fools, it's another Coffee of Doom quirk. They read the sign as they appraoch the sink, cos they see it in the mirror, and it reminds them to wash their hands. Why else would be on the other side of the room to where the sink is, written backwards and conveniantly place just in front of the mirror.
I say good job to Jeph for that one
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #24 on: 02 Nov 2008, 18:26 »

If they had forgotten to wash their hands, they wouldn't approach the sink, they would just walk out without looking at it, let alone the mirror.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #25 on: 02 Nov 2008, 19:13 »

Not if they were checking their hair, which, being women, they would always do when leaving the bathroom.
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« Reply #26 on: 02 Nov 2008, 20:54 »

Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?

Everytime you see something like that in QC, a wizzard did it.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #27 on: 02 Nov 2008, 23:19 »

Faye and Sven are not doomed to catastrophe.  Good relationships can come out of weird situations.

My current relationship started as "friends with benefits."  This situation was not without drama.  In fact, it involved relatives of friends and suicide attempts, so it's not that far off from Faye and Sven.  It somehow turned into the longest and least painful serious relationship I've had so far.  I'm just sayin, people meet and hook up in weird ways.  Even the worst start can lead to an okay finish.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #28 on: 03 Nov 2008, 18:38 »

I agree with DBR.  Friends with benefits is not for everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not for anyone.

Also, I don't get why Faye was shitty with Sven.  If I were in Sven's place then under their current circumstances her wording of "I need to let off some steam" would have lead me to think she just wanted to bang.  If she wanted to relax and unwind with someone instead she should have chose a more precise wording.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #29 on: 03 Nov 2008, 19:06 »

I read it as she was saying "I want dinner and a movie" and that sounds like "I want a date".  Sven replied with "You said we can't do that, but if you wanna bang, cool."  Or at least that's what it sounded like... He almost certainly meant "I'm busy for dinner [ie can't date because you said we can't do that], but we can hang out later."

In short, they're talking past each other and miss-hearing.

She wanted 'friend time', he heard 'date'.  He responded with 'friend time', and she heard 'sex'. 

She accepted.

Cue humorous misunderstanding.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #30 on: 03 Nov 2008, 21:12 »

I read it as she was saying "I want dinner and a movie" and that sounds like "I want a date".  Sven replied with "You said we can't do that, but if you wanna bang, cool."  Or at least that's what it sounded like... He almost certainly meant "I'm busy for dinner [ie can't date because you said we can't do that], but we can hang out later."

In short, they're talking past each other and miss-hearing.

She wanted 'friend time', he heard 'date'.  He responded with 'friend time', and she heard 'sex'. 

She accepted.

Cue humorous misunderstanding.

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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #31 on: 03 Nov 2008, 23:53 »

yeah that would be helpful :P to bad becoming asexual is not a deliberate choice :P kind of a bummer :P oh the drama I'd save myself :P
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« Reply #32 on: 11 Nov 2008, 03:23 »

I'm just so worried that Sven and the intern are going to do the deed sooner or later and then Faye will be heartbroken (once again).
I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.
So for women:
sex=oxytocin=love

This will end in tears I tell you!
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #33 on: 11 Nov 2008, 03:44 »

There was, as I recall, a poll on this.

Most people said "fuck buddies".

Go figure.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #34 on: 11 Nov 2008, 13:13 »

Actually, I see Sven's current approach to be a hurt reaction to Faye's semi-rejection of him.

He deliberately forsook his ways as a philanderer.  She then aggressively approached him and used him for sex.  Given that she previously reproached him for being a philanderer, this makes her a hypocrite.

He then began to pursue a more meaningful relationship with her, which she rejected.

Now she turns to him for meaningful comfort and his response is to low-bid her; he offers her something shallow. 

Initially she rejects it, but then accepts it.  Perhaps she feels that's the best she can get?  The best she deserves?

Frankly, Sven was offering more at the beginning, though I think he was approaching a deep relationship from a shallow perspective (it was his first attempt and, really, how well does he know Faye?).  Still, he offered and she rejected.  His response is what she should expect.  He offered more, she rejected it.  Now she's asking for more and it would be selfish of her to expect him to just say "Yay!  Hugs!"
Bah, to much analysis, just say fuck Faye or something?
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #35 on: 11 Nov 2008, 14:36 »

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I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.

sex=oxytocin=love



I've done this twice.
First time, it lasted five months, we were both with other people now and again, and while there was an emotional connection- I didn't love him. Even in my self-hating days I couldn't love someone wuite THAT self-absorbed. He was good in bed though. It ended when he got in an actual relationship.

Second time- heh. We've been together coming up to six years and we set a date for the wedding six months ago. So, I guess that one turned pretty much into love.

I'm not sure about the science involved, but I do know that women often- not always, but often- have a stronger emotional reaction to sex. Women often struggle to see sex as separate to your feelings for someone, whereas many men can have sex with someone they dislike but think is 'hot'. It's certainly not true in all cases, but if anyone can divorce sex from emotional responses it's Sven, and if anyone is emotionally needy enough to mistake sex for affection it's Faye.

Unfortunately, as I know to my cost and from several of my female friends, many girls with absent or abusive fathers, or indeed a girl who saw her father commit suicide in front of her, can get a somewhat screwy idea of what male behavior is like. They don't get a full education abut socializing with the opposite gender, and when sex comes along and their emotional response hits as well, they can be... confused. They mistake sex for love, and as they feel unloved, they will take what they can get.

I feel for Faye, because while I've not been in that exact situation, I have been in a similar one.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #36 on: 18 Nov 2008, 07:05 »

i would really like faye and sven to be together. they seem like such a good couple/ but with faye's personality and attitude, i guess she wouldn't want to be in a relationship with him. so they're only friends with benefits? doesn't work out if theres personal feelings. but i guess there ok for now. but remember before when faye was acting jealous? but yea, sven actually stepped up and seemed to show he likes her:



i really liked that part. so sweet. but i wonder how it would be if they were a couple though? would faye lose her flair? i don't know. i guess it all depends on what jeph does. but i really do hope they end up together in the end :wink:
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« Reply #37 on: 18 Nov 2008, 08:37 »

Your love is like bad medicine
Bad medicine is what I need
Shake it up, just like bad medicine
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #38 on: 19 Nov 2008, 00:33 »


Unfortunately, as I know to my cost and from several of my female friends, many girls with absent or abusive fathers, or indeed a girl who saw her father commit suicide in front of her, can get a somewhat screwy idea of what male behavior is like. They don't get a full education abut socializing with the opposite gender, and when sex comes along and their emotional response hits as well, they can be... confused. They mistake sex for love, and as they feel unloved, they will take what they can get.

I feel for Faye, because while I've not been in that exact situation, I have been in a similar one.

Well, I don't think that applies to Faye. She had a healthy relationship with her father during her formative years (even telling him about losing her virginity and all) and had all the regular experiences a girl her age would have with the boys, so it's not like she never had a paternal figure; or sex, or romantic relationships with boys. She is not confused about sex, nor does she mistake sex for love. She doesn't feel unloved (hello!! she's aware of Marten's feelings from day one!!) nor is she taking what she can get.
She was attracted to Sven early on (and even more so after he did the "come hither" look on her and Hannelore), even though he seemed to represent everything she hates in a guy. Despite that, it's him she always kept going to when she needed to talk, vent, or unwind even before they started having sex.
I think their relationship works because he's a "punching bag" that punches her right back, as opposed to Marten who wouldn't reciprocate. Faye needs someone who treats her like  an equal (who else would whack her in the head with a magazine??) and gives her a sense of distance and proximity at the same time.
She now respects him a bit more and is coming to terms with the attraction she feels.

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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #39 on: 19 Nov 2008, 06:26 »



Well, I don't think that applies to Faye. She had a healthy relationship with her father during her formative years (even telling him about losing her virginity and all) and had all the regular experiences a girl her age would have with the boys, so it's not like she never had a paternal figure; or sex, or romantic relationships with boys. She is not confused about sex, nor does she mistake sex for love. She doesn't feel unloved (hello!! she's aware of Marten's feelings from day one!!) nor is she taking what she can get.
She was attracted to Sven early on (and even more so after he did the "come hither" look on her and Hannelore), even though he seemed to represent everything she hates in a guy. Despite that, it's him she always kept going to when she needed to talk, vent, or unwind even before they started having sex.
I think their relationship works because he's a "punching bag" that punches her right back, as opposed to Marten who wouldn't reciprocate. Faye needs someone who treats her like  an equal (who else would whack her in the head with a magazine??) and gives her a sense of distance and proximity at the same time.
She now respects him a bit more and is coming to terms with the attraction she feels.





Yeah that's what I think. I don't think there's that much psychology when it comes to Sven; in fact I don't think it comes in at all. It's just your typical "girl-hates-boy-but-actually-feels-for-him" thing. Now when she gets down to The Talk, like she did to Marten, now that could be interesting
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #40 on: 19 Nov 2008, 09:19 »

The Talk could be interesting cause it's Sven and not Marten. Marten is your typical nice and tolerant dude, Sven on the other hand just doesn't give a fuck. The Talk last time consisted of "I know you like me, I have a horrible story though and now you all have to hear it, I am emotionally fucked up and i know I should've told you this sooner but... you know how that goes. Oh and i have news for you, get over me, cause I'm STILL not gonna give you what you want."

Dora has said Sven won't put up with Faye's shit.... and I have a knack to believe she's right.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #41 on: 19 Nov 2008, 19:34 »

It's not that Sven doesn't give a shit; I think he genuinely cares for her.

It's just that he won't let her wallow.  He'll kick her ass and encourage her to move on.  I believe he whacked her on the head with a rolled up magazine once.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #42 on: 24 Nov 2008, 08:28 »

I sincerely hope that Faye and Sven resolve their odd, convoluted situation. I'm rather rooting for them to end it in each other's beds, but I forsee drama with Angus McPhee(?). Hope it gets resolved soon(hint hint: hop to it, Jeph)
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #43 on: 24 Nov 2008, 17:47 »

The rolled-up magazine was in number 984.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #44 on: 24 Nov 2008, 20:35 »

but I forsee drama with Angus McPhee(?)

What drama? Sven doesn't know him and Faye doesn't like him.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #45 on: 24 Nov 2008, 23:54 »

I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.
So for women:
sex=oxytocin=love

If you'd said PEOPLE I might have agreed with you.  I've know plenty of PEOPLE who seemed to think that sex meant a loving relationship.  You had to say women, though, and therefore I call bullshit. 

I am female, and I have found that it is quite possible not to fall in love with someone you are sleeping with.  I've known both women and men who felt the same way as I do, and I've also known people of both sexes who became emotionally involved with anyone they were intimate with physically.  If anything, I've known more MEN who became emotionally attached, and more women who said "Um, you were just a fuck, okay?"  Of course, there is a whole can of worms to open regarding the fact that a woman who says this is liberated, while a guy who says this is an asshole.
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #46 on: 25 Nov 2008, 00:17 »

I'm just so worried that Sven and the intern are going to do the deed sooner or later and then Faye will be heartbroken (once again).
I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.
So for women:
sex=oxytocin=love

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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #47 on: 25 Nov 2008, 11:25 »

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Faye doesn't like him.
The meta-drama my feeble mind concieves of is exactly because of that. Faye's method of genuinely considering a relationship seems to be completely denying it right up until the point when she DIRECTLY adresses it. She's doing the same thing with Sven, having denied repeatedly having any sort of desire to have a relationship with him, yet current development seems to be pointing to a more intimate nature between her and Sven. Now of course it could just be a completely tangental development with Mr. McPhee, but authors rarely introduce romantically inclined things that have NO bearing to the plot. Thusly I forsee drama. Quod Erat Demonstrandum :roll:
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #48 on: 25 Nov 2008, 19:05 »

Of course, there is a whole can of worms to open regarding the fact that a woman who says this is liberated, while a guy who says this is an asshole.

Or, the woman who says that is a slut.

I fucking hate the sexual dichotomy dynamic of human cultures.  :x
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Re: Sven and Faye's "relationship"
« Reply #49 on: 25 Nov 2008, 20:29 »

Virgin <-----> Whore

Choose wisely.
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