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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #650 on: 11 Jan 2010, 02:19 »

I don't know if ODST is widely considered a failure, it's just obvious that they padded out what was going to be an expansion into a 'full' game so they could charge 60 dollars for it. But hey, I'm not exactly in touch with the Halo fanbase so maybe you're right. And I've heard the opposite thing about Amazon Japan user reviews, to be honest. From what limited experience I've had with English-speaking Japanese gamers, I've been told that apparently high-profile games are almost always flooded with highly negative reviews from 2chan trolls just on principle. It happened with Dragon Quest 9 too, even though that game took the entire country by fucking storm when it came out.

That being said, I'm not trying to say that the OXM review proves anything one way or another. I just thought the details that it reveals would be interesting from a purely factual perspective.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #651 on: 11 Jan 2010, 03:01 »

Yeah, honestly I'm getting a bit nervous by talk of a "weak central story". I was really hoping Bioware would step up their game like they did with the transition from BG to BG2.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #652 on: 11 Jan 2010, 03:36 »

When has the middle of a trilogy offered a compelling and genuinely enjoyable central story? It's no mistake that The Empire Strikes Back is the darkest of the original Star Wars, because if there wasn't all that angst it would be a horribly boring "get-from-point-A-to-point-B" adventure. The terrible part about a trilogy format is that you have to play things very safe: you can't mire yourself in introducing the universe you created, and you're not allowed to concretely wrap anything up. If Mass Effect 2 managed to bump the formula, I'd be pretty damn surprised.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #653 on: 11 Jan 2010, 04:34 »

Yeah there's definitely that whole thing. They kind of tipped their hand because god bless Bioware, their most devoted and ornery fans are the ones who care deeply about romances. When it was revealed that the ME1 squeezes were only tangentially related to the story of ME2 they had to pretty much make explicit that ME2 was more or less a scenic stopover in the journey towards what would be the resolution of ME1's intraparty narrative. To do less would invite widespread panic and suffering amongst the fan forums.

Plus there's the ME2 marketing buzzword, suicide mission. I don't doubt that the events of ME2 will be wrapped up in ME3 to some extent, but from the sound of it they're gearing up the player to burn off all the ME2 shit so they can start fresh on ME3. They've stopped just short of saying that all your party members are totally expendable. Which, to be honest, is quite refreshing. Ever since KOTOR Bioware's been so in love with their characters that many of them are forced to come with you whether you like them or not (though aside from Morrigan and Alistair, Dragon Age was pretty good about making recruiting optional).
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #654 on: 11 Jan 2010, 11:47 »

Technically, the only party members you had to recruit in ME1 were Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara, if I remember correctly. You could even leave Tali behind once you got the dirt on Saren from her, I think. And like Fraser said, the middle of the trilogy is often where things drag a bit. And from the way the OXM reads in the text, beyond just the bullet points, it sounds like the story ends well, it's just a slow burn. But that was honestly true of the first game as well: Virmire to the awesome fight up the Citadel Tower was by far the best part of Mass Effect.

And I'm pretty sure that Bioware has come out and said explicitly that the game can end with everyone on the team, including Shepard, dying. That's not how my Shepard rolls, though.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #655 on: 11 Jan 2010, 15:59 »

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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #656 on: 11 Jan 2010, 17:07 »

Why on earth does that article start by spoiling half the game?
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #657 on: 11 Jan 2010, 17:31 »

Because they hate their readers
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #658 on: 12 Jan 2010, 09:01 »

Are they ever going to announce the tenth recruitable party member?
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #659 on: 12 Jan 2010, 09:41 »

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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #660 on: 12 Jan 2010, 11:43 »

Legion?
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #661 on: 12 Jan 2010, 12:03 »

Nope. Legion wants to kill you. Or something.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #662 on: 12 Jan 2010, 12:26 »

(Yes it is Legion come on, there's nine achievements for getting characters and then "obtain geth technology", Bioware is terrible at this)
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #663 on: 12 Jan 2010, 12:35 »

Well, it's complicated. How far did that go over my head?

I was watching those cheesy video diary type videos, and the facial animation is pretty damn good in some of them, Psychopath especially. Miranda goes deep into the uncanny valley, though. And so far all they've been saying is "I was made to kill", "I like to kill" or "I'm good at killing".
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #664 on: 12 Jan 2010, 13:19 »

Bioware wouldn't waste an actual personality on a geth who wasn't at least nominally on your side.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #665 on: 12 Jan 2010, 13:46 »

Tiny phrases are obnoxious to read.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #666 on: 12 Jan 2010, 14:10 »

Well then tell them to get the spoiler tags to work then, miss can't-be-bothered-to-copy-paste
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #667 on: 12 Jan 2010, 14:16 »

You can also just hit the quote button and read the text normally inside the size tags.

Also: two weeks left. Heard there was a leak of the PC version earlier today, but apparently it was fake.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #668 on: 12 Jan 2010, 17:29 »

Subject Zero: Fight For The Lost

Casey Hudson talks about ME 2

Did he just hint at a Garrus or Tali romance?
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #669 on: 12 Jan 2010, 17:51 »

It really can't be stressed enough how important romances are to Bioware's most fervent fanbase. The Bioboards are like QCD on an epic scale.
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« Reply #670 on: 12 Jan 2010, 19:43 »

I'm really disappointed in how heavily they seem to be hinting at a Tali romance. It would really bum me out if they compromise one of the fundamental characteristics of the quarians just because some creepy nerds want to virtu-bone the lizard girl.
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« Reply #671 on: 12 Jan 2010, 21:17 »

I remember seeing a comic where Shepard finally got with Tali, but she died a few minutes in because she can't survive without her suit.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #672 on: 12 Jan 2010, 22:01 »

I'm guessing the final panel is Shepard thinking "Totally worth it."
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« Reply #673 on: 12 Jan 2010, 22:21 »

Maybe she had a thing for auto-erotic asphyxiation?
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #674 on: 12 Jan 2010, 23:34 »

When this same topic came up in the SA threads, some interesting ideas came up that I hadn't previously considered. The serious one was if Bioware will use Tali as a platonic, nonsexual relationship rather than the standard one we've come to expect between the first game and Dragon Age. The joking but still intriguing one was if you go through all the trouble to get the suit off and it turns out that she's totally ugly. I don't expect that Bioware has the balls to do either of those things because that would royally piss off a lot of people, but I kind of wish they would try.
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« Reply #675 on: 12 Jan 2010, 23:53 »

I'm guessing the final panel is Shepard thinking "Totally worth it."



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« Reply #676 on: 13 Jan 2010, 00:21 »

Don't they need the suit because of their acclimation to the sterile environment of the flotilla? So if they were in a sterile environment and Shepherd went through a biocontaminant scrub-down, it should work, at least as far as Tali not dying, can't say and wouldn't want to speculate about the physical compatibility or physical attraction.

You know, when I saw the Miranda trailer, I thought she reminded me of someone. Now I see the VAs and I realize that it is because she is based off of the woman that plays Sarah on Chuck. And Adam Baldwin is in it too. It would probably count as a decline in his career, the way he has gone from being in a Kubrick film to being a supporting character in TV shows and doing bit parts voice acting in games, but it is still cool to see him in more stuff.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #677 on: 13 Jan 2010, 00:27 »

Because nothing's sexier foreplay than a full-body decontamination scrub.
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« Reply #678 on: 13 Jan 2010, 00:30 »

Hey, we all make sacrifices for those we love.
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« Reply #679 on: 13 Jan 2010, 07:40 »

If all the brain energy that has gone into determining how and whether Tali and Shepard could make the beast with two backs had gone into something useful instead, we would have cured cancer by now.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #680 on: 13 Jan 2010, 08:38 »

Back up, Alec Baldwin's in this game?
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« Reply #681 on: 13 Jan 2010, 08:55 »

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« Reply #682 on: 13 Jan 2010, 09:57 »

oh, right. bummer.
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« Reply #683 on: 13 Jan 2010, 11:55 »

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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #684 on: 13 Jan 2010, 15:49 »

Soldier class is online and zzzzzzzzzzzz
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« Reply #685 on: 13 Jan 2010, 16:41 »

They really should have released Soldier first. Then it wouldn't look half as lame, being compared to all the videos that came out before it.  :|
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« Reply #686 on: 13 Jan 2010, 18:15 »

Agreed, particularly since having access to a variety of weapons usually amounts to jack squat in most games, and Mass Effect 1 was no exception. At the end of the day, you can only really fire one gun at a time and if one weapon outperforms the others what the hell is the point? They made all of the weapons effective enough to beat the game with, and ironically, the most common weapon type was probably the very best-- if you wanted to do maximum damage, nothing really topped a Renegade Infiltrator or Vanguard popping their Master Marksmen cooldowns and unloading on people with their pistols. That's one of the reasons I tend towards Infiltrators-- the sniper rifle is the only gun that does anything the pistol can't really do, and even then putting points into sniping was highly optional, since merely being a class that is proficient in sniper rifles was enough to cut down on the annoying reticule wobble and the right sniper rifle usually owned whatever it hit from a safe distance regardless of bonuses. Well, that and I wanted to roll with Wrex and Liara while still having some tech.

If anything, the clip worries me a li'l, since all being a soldier in ME1 meant was the ability to withstand ridiculous amounts of punishment even if you didn't really know what to do with your skill points. That's probably still the case, but that's obviously just speculation since they've hardly touched on that at all.
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« Reply #687 on: 13 Jan 2010, 22:46 »

There's no light/medium/heavy armor segregation anymore, but they did spell out in the IGN article that accompanied that video that the soldier does have more health than any other class. There's nothing quite as broken as Immunity spam anymore, but they should still be able to take the most punishment.
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« Reply #688 on: 13 Jan 2010, 23:35 »

I'm still going to roll Soldier.
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« Reply #689 on: 14 Jan 2010, 00:21 »

That's because you're lame.
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« Reply #690 on: 14 Jan 2010, 00:41 »

Ok, just finished the first one for the first time today (shut up I live in Australia, games are expensive). Straight up renegade solider class. Going to play through it again with a vanguard and see how fucking shit up with my mind works.

Seriously, can't wait for ME2 to come out.
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« Reply #691 on: 14 Jan 2010, 09:46 »

No, Jimmy, nooooo.

If you're starting a new biotic, go full adept. You can transfer over one of your soldier's weapon skills so there's no reason to go vanguard. Full biotic + assault rifle ftw.
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« Reply #692 on: 14 Jan 2010, 11:07 »

Adepts are a ton of fun, but only after you reach level 15 or so and can put a decent number of points in a couple powers. High level Throw, Lift, and Singularity are awesome, but at first you have very little armor and can only plink at dudes with the pistol after you use your powers at the beginning of a fight. The Assault Rifle talent will help that a bit, but not that much because early game ARs have really low accuracy.

So if you pick Adept, make sure you do as many sidequests as you can on the Citadel before leaving so you can hold your own better in combat.
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« Reply #693 on: 14 Jan 2010, 11:20 »

Actually, yeah, you're right about the accuracy.

Maybe shotgun then. Then you pretty much just are a vanguard but with all of the biotic powers.
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« Reply #694 on: 14 Jan 2010, 12:55 »

Honestly, I'd rather give the Pistols skill to an Adept than the assault rifle or shotgun. It is the superior weapon type overall. Oh, wait, they already get it. : P

I'll admit it's a pain in the ass that's an unlockable though. Half the benefit of pistols is that they're so good early and the other half is based on the fact that the higher level Marksman abilities handily make up for the damage disadvantage just as the other weapon types finally become more practical. Having to put points into armor first kinda takes the shine off it.
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Re: Mass Effect 2
« Reply #695 on: 15 Jan 2010, 03:19 »


This is Bioware's (EA's?) new policy I guess. Wonder if the DLC-exclusive party member is included in the 10 confirmed.
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« Reply #696 on: 16 Jan 2010, 03:35 »

Supposedly the day-1 DLC character is this guy


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« Reply #697 on: 16 Jan 2010, 03:44 »

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« Reply #698 on: 16 Jan 2010, 03:45 »

The first male human party member. And he's ugly.
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« Reply #699 on: 16 Jan 2010, 03:48 »

Can't go making competition for a male Shepard. And if you're a female Shepard it basically forces alien sex or girl-on-girl.
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