Topic: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland (Read 36612 times)

Eris · « **on:** 22 Jun 2009, 18:11 »

Oh dear god

See, now, in reading the article up there I will admit there are some good casting choices in there (Stephen Fry and Alan Rickman are two I am looking forward to seeing), and some of the shots look lovely, like the one with all the faces in the flowers. But for every thing I like there is something like this that makes me want to vomit out my eyes.

Unless the awfulness of the character designs are overshadowed by really good acting, they're going to make me go "Ah shitballs" and ultimately not like the movie. What are your thoughts about this? Like what you see? Refuse to go see it? Disappointed there are less swirls in the architecture shown?

Be My Head · « **Reply #1 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 18:19 »

Stop making the same movie over and over again, Tim, kthxbai.

imapiratearg · « **Reply #2 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 18:40 »

Is that Elijah Wood?

EDIT - Oh, it's Johnny Depp. Durr.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #3 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 18:43 »

Don't worry, I thought the same thing

Will · « **Reply #4 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 18:50 »

As did I

Jimor · « **Reply #5 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 19:04 »

Yeah, but what is his costume going to look like?

Surgoshan · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 19:28 »

Quote from: Jimor on 22 Jun 2009, 19:04

Yeah, but what is his costume going to look like?

Who is that costume even supposed to be? Is it the rabbit? The Cheshire Cat?

Fuck. Fuck Tim.

michaelicious · « **Reply #7 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 19:30 »

The mad hatter.

michaelicious · « **Reply #8 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 19:31 »

Pretty obvious, really.

Surgoshan · « **Reply #9 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 19:35 »

Obvious? For Tim? We're talking about a guy who has made the same movie five times and cast Johnny Depp in it almost every time. He thinks he's clever.

sean · « **Reply #10 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 19:42 »

Oh god i cannot say these are good artistic choices.

Oh no they are not.

Inlander · « **Reply #11 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 19:44 »

I've got to be honest. Everything promo shot I've seen from this movie so far has been hideous, in my opinion. I think I'd get a headache from just five minutes of a film with the colour palette that Burton's apparently chosen for this film.

In another thread we're ripping into Michael Bay for being "explosions EVERYWHERE!" In all honesty I can't see much difference between Bay's approach and Burton's; i.e.: neither seems to have any grasp whatsoever of the concept of subtlety. Sometimes I want to go into a cinema and not get eye-fucked, ya know?

Lines · « **Reply #12 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 20:38 »

Ok so the scenery looks ok and the White Rabbit and Alice look decent from what little I can see, but the rest of them are fucking terrifying and garish. And yes, Depp looks like Wood, which makes him look even creepier, not that the costume isn't bad enough. And I guess the white queen looks ok, but I dunno.

This does not make me more excited for the movie. It makes me really worried.

scarred · « **Reply #13 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 21:49 »

A Tim Burton movie starring Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter? IMAGINE THAT.

Tom · « **Reply #14 on:** 22 Jun 2009, 23:52 »

'Cause nepotism is totes rad.

rynne · « **Reply #15 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 06:25 »

Quote from: Inlander on 22 Jun 2009, 19:44

In another thread we're ripping into Michael Bay for being "explosions EVERYWHERE!" In all honesty I can't see much difference between Bay's approach and Burton's; i.e.: neither seems to have any grasp whatsoever of the concept of subtlety. Sometimes I want to go into a cinema and not get eye-fucked, ya know?

Yeah, I'm getting a bit worn out on Burton's so-quirky/creepy-it-hurts style as well. I wish he'd do something along the lines of Ed Wood again.

Though, in a textbook example of damning with faint praise, I can't imagine Burton's take on Alice will be worse than Marilyn Manson's one.

est · « **Reply #16 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 07:49 »

I concur with most of what's already been said. I want to add that Burton should probably go back to making original things instead of subjecting any more established stories to the Burtonation process.

Scarychips · « **Reply #17 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 07:52 »

You know what Burton movie I really liked?

Coraline

Be My Head · « **Reply #18 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 09:01 »

"I LOVE Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter, they are so weird and quirky. And I will def watch this film when it comes out"

*barf*

Dimmukane · « **Reply #19 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 09:10 »

Quote from: Scarychips on 23 Jun 2009, 07:52

You know what Burton movie I really liked?

Coraline

That wasn't even his, though. Henry Selick. Who also did Nightmare Before Christmas, which Tim Burton wrote, but did not direct.

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #20 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 09:16 »

The one thing I have to say is that Johnny Depp's costumes looks like Lewis Carrol intended the Mad Hatter and pretty much every character in the books to be... a mockery of the English court.

Scarychips · « **Reply #21 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 10:09 »

Quote from: Dimmukane on 23 Jun 2009, 09:10

Quote from: Scarychips on 23 Jun 2009, 07:52
You know what Burton movie I really liked?

Coraline

That wasn't even his, though. Henry Selick. Who also did Nightmare Before Christmas, which Tim Burton wrote, but did not direct.

Yes, I already knew that. I was making fun of people who thought it was a Burton movie.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #22 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 10:21 »

I can't get behind Burton hatred. Yeah, he's sort of gotten into a rut, but at least it's a unique, interesting rut as compared to the rest of Hollywood.

Yayniall · « **Reply #23 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 10:42 »

Fuck all of you guys.
This film has alan rickman as the caterpillar and stephen fry as the cheshire cat. What more do you want?
Christopher Lee as the Jabberwock? Okey dokey.
Jeez.

Yayniall · « **Reply #24 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 10:45 »

BARBARA WINDSOR IS THE DORMOUSE.

rynne · « **Reply #25 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 10:53 »

Quote from: Ozymandias on 23 Jun 2009, 10:21

I can't get behind Burton hatred. Yeah, he's sort of gotten into a rut, but at least it's a unique, interesting rut as compared to the rest of Hollywood.

I don't think it's a hatred so much as a tiredness. Burton has a fairly unique vision, and when he first came on the scene it was certainly refreshing to see films like Beetlejuice and Batman and Edward Scissorhands and Nightmare Before Christmas. But---and this is the problem with having a vision so personal as Burton's---repeatedly applying that style becomes a crutch.

I think that from a purely technical standpoint, as separate from a stylistic one, Burton's a good director. That's why he hasn't sunk into self-parody like, say, M. Night Shyamalan did. I'd like to see him more often apply that skill to something that's not a cracked re-imagining of an existent work (see Planet of the Apes, Sweeny Todd, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Alice in Wonderland).

Dimmukane · « **Reply #26 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 11:03 »

What rynne said, basically. I don't hate the guy, but for me to like him he needs to make something different from everything else he's done. If someone wants to take me to see this, I won't protest. But I'm probably not going to see another Burton-helmed movie until he stops relying on his stylistic vices. Last one I saw in theaters was Big Fish. Which admittedly still had his stamp on it in a Scissorhands kind of way, but it wasn't subjected to Johnny Depp/overeager & gloomy color palettes/macabre images like his other stuff.

LittleKey · « **Reply #27 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 11:44 »

Am I the only one really looking forward to this movie? Sure Burton is repetitive, but to me it's repeating something very good, so it doesn't bother me.

Alex C · « **Reply #28 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 11:56 »

Yeah, a lot really depends on how much you enjoy his aesthetic. My sister for example has always really liked it and she has a ginormous crush on Johnny Depp, so there you go. Personally, I'm not really bored of the Burton's films, but that's probably in large part due to the fact that I've seen less than half of them.

McTaggart · « **Reply #29 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 12:39 »

Hmm. I liked the concept art, but the costumes are just ugly.

Alex C · « **Reply #30 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 13:34 »

It's the colors that bug me more than anything.

phooey · « **Reply #31 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 16:46 »

phooey · « **Reply #32 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 16:53 »

What I am saying is that Burton's aesthetic in this regard echoes the vintage transvestite aesthetic of Rubnitz' whimsical shorts.

est · « **Reply #33 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:02 »

Like, I am pretty sure that if these were his own characters that he made up himself I wouldn't be quite so harsh on him.

phooey · « **Reply #34 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:11 »

I would be. Tweedle(dee/dum) and the Red Queen are serious nightmare fuel over here.

JD · « **Reply #35 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:18 »

How the hell did you guys confuse Depp for Wood?

est · « **Reply #36 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:20 »

I knew he was playing the Mad Hatter & the news article mentioned him specifically, but he does look a lot like Elijah Wood in that picture.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #37 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:40 »

RESPECT

Be My Head · « **Reply #38 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:43 »

Ah, so it's the eyes.

Johnny Depp wishes he had Elijah Wood's eyes naturally.

JD · « **Reply #39 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:48 »

I just can't imagine him wearing that much makeup.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #40 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 19:53 »

Quote from: Be My Head on 23 Jun 2009, 19:43

Ah, so it's the eyes.

Johnny Depp wishes he had Elijah Wood's eyes naturally.

I was thinking it was the nose and the chin too.

Lines · « **Reply #41 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 20:35 »

Quote from: Be My Head on 23 Jun 2009, 19:43

Johnny Depp wishes he had Elijah Wood's eyes naturally.

What? I hope not. Partially due to the fact that Depp's eyes aren't deer-caught-in-the-headlights-creepy.

I mean, really, the facial structure is similar. Depp's eyes are enlarged and light now, they both have strong jaw lines, and similar noses. I mean, if they both were wearing the same makeup, I'm sure they'd look pretty much the same.

Surgoshan · « **Reply #42 on:** 23 Jun 2009, 23:55 »

Quote from: Be My Head on 23 Jun 2009, 19:43

Ah, so it's the eyes.

Johnny Depp wishes he had Elijah Wood's eyes naturally.

And the cheekbones. It was the combo of eyes and cheekbones and five thousand pounds of makeup that fooled me.

NeverQuiteGoth · « **Reply #43 on:** 24 Jun 2009, 03:14 »

Oh come on, how can this not be good?

Either it will be awesome, or we'll have something to mock for years to come.

Alex C · « **Reply #44 on:** 24 Jun 2009, 08:46 »

My money is actually on mediocre.

Lines · « **Reply #45 on:** 24 Jun 2009, 15:21 »

As long as it does better than Corpse Bride, I think it will be ok.

ackblom12 · « **Reply #46 on:** 24 Jun 2009, 19:31 »

I actually do like the aesthetics they are going for. It's all horribly garish and irritatingly bright and as was mentioned before, basically a mockery of everything that is proper and right.

I'm looking forward to it!

Hat · « **Reply #47 on:** 25 Jun 2009, 00:47 »

Quote from: Yayniall on 23 Jun 2009, 10:42

Fuck all of you guys.
This film has alan rickman as the caterpillar and stephen fry as the cheshire cat. What more do you want?
Christopher Lee as the Jabberwock? Okey dokey.
Jeez.

Quote from: Yayniall on 23 Jun 2009, 10:45

BARBARA WINDSOR IS THE DORMOUSE.

this is a very well-made, well-spoken point.

I for one will go and see TIM BURTON's Alice in Wonderland

Although to be honest I'm more curious as to the format of the story rather than the garish costumes and Burton's Deppsession. IMDB bills the Jabberwock and The Red Queen so we're getting a bit of an Alice/Looking Glass mashup, but given between both books there's a huge amount of stuff for Burton to sink into, he's got a pretty good shot at coming up with something pretty interesting, I think.

Joseph · « **Reply #48 on:** 25 Jun 2009, 01:00 »

Is this going to be a remake of the Disney movie, or starting over again from the books.

Either way, I probably won't see it. I can't claim to have ever really gotten the fascination with Burton.

Cire27 · « **Reply #49 on:** 25 Jun 2009, 02:31 »

It's set 10 years after the books.

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