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Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« on: 14 Jul 2009, 14:30 »

Right now I'm embroiled in a flurry of correspondence with the 20+ people who comprise my Burning Man crew this year.  I've been to the Burn the past two years and I'm REALLY excited for my third.  Is anyone from the forums planning on attending?  Burning Man is an absolutely fucking incredible experience and I can recommend few things on this planet more highly.
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« Reply #1 on: 14 Jul 2009, 14:34 »

Someday, I'd really like to.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #2 on: 14 Jul 2009, 14:46 »

Yeah, I'd love to go, but... eeeh.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #3 on: 15 Jul 2009, 01:15 »

Nope.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #4 on: 15 Jul 2009, 08:18 »

Thanks a lot Joe for reminding me that I can't afford any festivals at all this year. >:C
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #5 on: 15 Jul 2009, 08:23 »

Seriously, this is pretty close to the top of my "things I would do if I wasn't so fucking poor" list.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #6 on: 17 Jul 2009, 21:51 »

burning man is such a crock of shit.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #7 on: 17 Jul 2009, 22:32 »

In a year or two, count me the fuck in.

I don't really understand people who write off Burning Man. There is no agenda or aesthetic to disagree with. To hardcore stereotype for the sake of my point, it's a giant campsite filled with crazy and interesting (and often both) folk who do a metric shit-ton of psychedelic drugs. There is a lot of art involved, enjoyment of which is completely subjective.

What exactly is a crock of shit? The only possibly objectionable thing here is the drugs, in which case your post should be "drugs are such a crock of shit".

I don't fucking get it.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #8 on: 17 Jul 2009, 22:54 »

i want to die sometimes but i think if i were at burning man i might want to die all the time
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #9 on: 17 Jul 2009, 22:55 »

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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #10 on: 18 Jul 2009, 06:57 »

I thought you were gonna post the part about the bees.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #11 on: 19 Jul 2009, 01:12 »

why would they have bees at burning man!??? silly
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #12 on: 19 Jul 2009, 01:12 »

things to do at burning man:
  • get high as hell
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #13 on: 19 Jul 2009, 01:16 »

a giant campsite filled with crazy and interesting (and often both) folk who do a metric shit-ton of psychedelic drugs

i really legitimately can't think of a better way to spend my weekend besides doing practically anything else with probably anyone else

i mean i just spent a weekend in a giant campsite filled with crazy and interesting folk who do a metric shit-ton of psychedelic drugs but i wasn't there for the campsite i was there to 1) drink and 2) watch elvis costello and iron & wine and neko case and loudon wainwright and okkervil river and king sunny adé and a bunch of other acts which is like way more ideal than getting high, sitting in a field and trying to pretend that what you're doing is remotely worthwhile
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #14 on: 19 Jul 2009, 06:57 »

i really legitimately can't think of a better way to spend my weekend besides doing practically anything else with probably anyone else
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #15 on: 19 Jul 2009, 08:26 »

why would they have bees at burning man!??? silly

It was between that and the part when he is running around in the bear suit and he swats that lady in the face.

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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #16 on: 19 Jul 2009, 10:21 »

Someday, I'd really like to.

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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #17 on: 19 Jul 2009, 12:22 »

Rynne, you just posted an onion article from over a decade ago.

A decade ago. What are you doing with your life, that you can remember that?
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #19 on: 19 Jul 2009, 13:40 »

half of those things sound like things that as an adult i find patently absurd and the rest of them are things i don't need to do while high in a field and also i don't need to drop a couple hundo on tickets in order to go do them! but hey it's your life.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #20 on: 19 Jul 2009, 13:48 »

Are you implying that finding half of these things to be patently absurd is part of being an adult?

Someone around here has that C.S. Lewis quote in their sig, I don't want to dig it up.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #21 on: 19 Jul 2009, 16:45 »

Sorry guys, I dressed up as a hippie and molested JC at some point in his youth. I didn't foresee this.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #22 on: 19 Jul 2009, 19:41 »

I don't have a very good opinion of Burning Man. I hate festivals in general, too many drunk/drugged out dipshits in attendance.  I don't have any problem with drink/drugs, but I definitely have a problem with dipshits, which is exacerbated by them drinking/doing drugs.  Whenever one of my favourite bands is attending a festival out here I groan a little because the chances of them doing a side-show is generally pretty limited and that means that if I want to see them I have to pay something upward of $250 per ticket (because asshole scalpers always buy up all the tickets and resell them at ridiculous prices) and mingle with a throng of drunken fucking redneck bogans who are there more for "the atmosphere" and getting drunk/out of their gourds and behaving like fucking morons together so I can perhaps watch a set by the band that I want to see that will probably be under an hour long.

Going kilometres out into the middle of a desert sounds like a bad idea in the first place.  Going out there to hang out with a bunch of drunk/drugged up hippie dipshits makes it sound like one of the most unbearable fucking things I could ever imagine.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #23 on: 19 Jul 2009, 19:57 »

Someday, I'd really like to.

Is that you, Local Teen?

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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #24 on: 19 Jul 2009, 19:59 »

i was there to 1) drink and 2) watch elvis costello and iron & wine and neko case and loudon wainwright and okkervil river and king sunny adé and a bunch of other acts which is like way more ideal than getting high, sitting in a field and trying to pretend that what you're doing is remotely worthwhile

Worthwhile things to do at Burning Man:

Watch the sunset
Have a cup of coffee at a diner
Chill out at a bar
Cook a hot dog using a solar-powered oven/death ray
Skydive
Build a massive arch out of bikes
Play with fire as much as you want
Race a spider mech against a 15-foot solar-powered big wheel
Have a dance party on a giant flaming duck
Activate two massive Tesla coils and stand between them
Defeat your foe in the Thunderdome
Make peace with your inner demons in a sacred temple of forgiveness, and then bear witness to the ritual immolation of said temple and the release of all karmic debt deposited therein
Dance Dance Immolation (ok this one's kind of frivolous)
Whatever the fuck you want

Burning Man: Get high, indulge all your hedonistic tendencies and psychic baggage using fire and the sun!

Actually that sounds pretty great, but to be honest it just sounds like a prolonged bush doof in a much more hostile environment so I would probably not bother.

I mean there is that point at a bush doof where everyone realises they've been there for 24 hours and they're started to develop weird tics as a result of the sheer quantity of drugs they've taken and people kind of take stock of how ridiculous it all is and go home to work on whatever giant laser shooting robot they'll be bringing to the next party.

Basically I am saying that the impact of people doing hallucinogens in the same place for 2 weeks or however long this thing goes for is probably pretty intense and my ability to juggle archetypal ritualism degrades rapidly after the first 24 hours of drug abuse.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #25 on: 19 Jul 2009, 20:07 »

Also I reject the idea of hippie festivals having entrance fees on principle
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« Reply #26 on: 19 Jul 2009, 20:13 »

I think this is a thread for people who WANT to attend Burning Man, not a thread for people to criticise it.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #27 on: 19 Jul 2009, 20:18 »

maybe you should just keep that criticism to the "thread for criticising people who criticise burning man" thread, dude
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #28 on: 19 Jul 2009, 20:20 »

Maybe you should keep your opinions to the "Opinions about people who criticize people who criticize burning man" thread.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #29 on: 19 Jul 2009, 20:31 »

I'd just like to point out that for the record I have no problem with doing hallucinogens in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of freaks (and learning lots about lasers and painting in the process!), but I am inherently suspicious of any collection of fringe people that appears to be officially sanctioned or ritualised
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« Reply #30 on: 19 Jul 2009, 20:35 »

joe i am sorry so many people are being a massive dick to you for absolutely no reason except that you invited them to an event you really enjoy and wanted to hang out i guess.
i am not going to burning man but i hope it's awesome. if, after it's over, people are still deeply offended and angered by the fact that you are having fun with your life, feel free to pm me and tell me how it was instead.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #31 on: 19 Jul 2009, 20:37 »

Nobody is really being a dick except Graham, (and maybe me with this post?) I'm sure Joe already feels perfectly validated about his life decisions already but it was really nice of you to do that anyway

people are still deeply offended and angered by the fact that you are having fun with your life, feel free to pm me and tell me how it was instead.

SO ANGRY AND OFFENDED THAT SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO TAKE DRUGS AND ENGAGE IN HEDONISM

I mean this thread was just going to be 20 people posting their unintentional version of that onion article, god forbid we should actually try to have a discussion *gasp* about the festival in question.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #32 on: 20 Jul 2009, 02:17 »

I don't have a very good opinion of Burning Man. I hate festivals in general, too many drunk/drugged out dipshits in attendance.  I don't have any problem with drink/drugs, but I definitely have a problem with dipshits, which is exacerbated by them drinking/doing drugs.  Whenever one of my favourite bands is attending a festival out here I groan a little because the chances of them doing a side-show is generally pretty limited and that means that if I want to see them I have to pay something upward of $250 per ticket (because asshole scalpers always buy up all the tickets and resell them at ridiculous prices) and mingle with a throng of drunken fucking redneck bogans who are there more for "the atmosphere" and getting drunk/out of their gourds and behaving like fucking morons together so I can perhaps watch a set by the band that I want to see that will probably be under an hour long.

Going kilometres out into the middle of a desert sounds like a bad idea in the first place.  Going out there to hang out with a bunch of drunk/drugged up hippie dipshits makes it sound like one of the most unbearable fucking things I could ever imagine.

The nice thing about Burning Man, or one of the nice things, is that there is a marked absence of lame inebriated dipshits.  This seems counterintuitive, I suppose, given that Burning Man is known for inebriation and that tends to attract lame dipshits, but the flip side of Burning Man is that it happens in the harshest climate in the continental US, and therefore the lame dipshits tend to get chewed up and spat out.  Basically, the sun, dust, and dryness, along with the leave-no-trace, clean-up-your-own-shit rule and the fact that you have to bring your own food and more than one layer of shelter (because nobody wants their tent sitting in direct sunlight for any length of time), all combine to create a population that's rather amazingly skewed towards the creative, expressive, and self-aware, because lame dipshits tend to decide that their money and time is better spent somewhere that doesn't challenge them as much.  I mean, given what I know about you you'd probably find even a lot of the creative and mentally active people annoying, but at least you'd probably be guaranteed some form of intelligent conversation with the majority of people you met.

Also, the drug use is big, it's true, but so is sobriety ... a lot of difficult work needs to get done and people can't always be fucked up!  At all hours of the day and night, throughout the festival, it's basically guaranteed that there's a place where a bunch of pleasant and friendly and sober people are hanging out, and that furthermore, they want you to hang out with them (hospitality is a huge deal at Burning Man, getting invited into strangers' camps is a daily, sometimes hourly, occurrence, and it's usually a good idea).  Sometimes at night that can be hard to find, but it's always there if you look.  If nothing else, someone out there is just building or fixing something and could use a hand (seriously, always, without fail, you can invariably make yourself useful to someone who will be thankful for it and will find a way to be generous in return).

I think this is a thread for people who WANT to attend Burning Man, not a thread for people to criticise it.

Nah not really.  I mean, personally, I think Burning Man currently represents the highest concentration of any single place in the world of everything we'll come to associate with the positive aspects of future of humanity as that future happens, but that is (as Graham put it) a crock of shit to anyone who doesn't have the experience of actually going (and, for that matter, to some people who have gone).  It's an easy thing to criticize by reputation and this thread would suck if everyone agreed to pretend otherwise.

I am inherently suspicious of any collection of fringe people that appears to be officially sanctioned or ritualised

There is no "official sanctioning" at Burning Man.  There are no corporate sponsors (in fact it is requested that logos appearing on clothing, equipment, or vehicles be removed or covered up, and nobody drives around in any cars that haven't also been turned into works of art), it has never advertised itself in any way other than the word of mouth of participants, and it is encouraged (many would say to a point, while many would not) that any tradition be challenged (you'd be amazed at how many people reacted positively when a guy lit the Man on fire 5 days early in 2007, despite how clearly unsafe and poorly advised of a decision that had been ... a LOT of people were pissed as hell, but a lot of people were saying that it was about time someone did that.  A new Man went up within those 5 days and the regularly scheduled burn happened anyway.)

There IS a LOT of ritualization at Burning Man, but it's got such a diverse population that you could literally interpret anything you wanted out of it.  The whole week is a ritual for a lot of people (I would consider myself one of them at this point), but at the same time nothing about it is standardized (except maybe the climate).  There are a couple festival-wide shared rituals, like the Burning of the Man on Saturday night, and the Temple Burn the following night, and there are also just a few things that happen every year, like the Wednesday night Temple of the Breaks party.  But the whole thing is so freeform from day to day that honestly there's not much to be concerned about.

Honestly I'm just happy this thread is getting replies.  I think I started one back in 2007 after I went for the first time and it never broke 10 posts.  Actually getting a chance to talk about it is good enough for me.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #33 on: 20 Jul 2009, 03:41 »

...everything we'll come to associate with the positive aspects of future of humanity as that future happens, but that is (as Graham put it) a crock of shit to anyone who doesn't have the experience of actually going (and, for that matter, to some people who have gone).

Joe, this doesn't really make any sense to me. It can only ever come to represent the positive aspects of future humanity to minority - your 'we' is very tiny. Maybe this is rationalism on my part or plain ignorance as you seem to imply but... well I can't find an eloquent way to say "crock of shit". Please understand that I value spiritual, emotional and intellectual development and am in no way saying what your beliefs are but rather what they seem to be to me.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #34 on: 20 Jul 2009, 04:42 »

When I say that, what I mean is pretty abstract, to the point that it's more of a poetic statement appealing to intuition than a rational one appealing to logical evaluation.  What I mean by it is that the Burning Man population seems to me to be weighted (to a greater degree than any other population on Earth of its size) towards the forward end of humanity's current evolutionary curve.  In terms of the ideas being expressed and discussed, the technology being tested, experimented with, theorized about, and developed, and the attitudes being taken towards life, humanity at large, and the planet, I'd say that the people in attendance at Burning Man have impressed me more than any other single group of people with the idea that they're test-driving most of the different ways in which humanity can and will improve.

It doesn't all happen at the festival proper, of course.  But the influence of Burning Man on the world is, at this point, incalculably widespread.  Google was born at Burning Man (and to this day the entire company has the option of taking the week off to go).  The whole dot-com era of the 90's was purportedly catalyzed tremendously by social networking among early Burners.  The impact it's had on the Internet, which I'd personally consider to be the biggest development in the recent time frame of human history that contains it, means that the lives of every single one of us (as internet users) would be different if it weren't for Burning Man (and, I'm willing to say, if we could hypothetically look at what life would be like now if Burning Man had never existed, we'd probably like this more).

My experiences on the playa have suggested to me that as a social experiment, Burning Man has been extremely successful.  As an environment in which novelty is prized perhaps above everything else, it is the place that is most likely to attract the people who are the farthest (or perhaps, to be more accurate and remove the implication of this necessarily being a compliment, most wildly) ahead of their time.  And as it happens, the people there tend to be happier, more self-aware, more environmentally conscious, more loving and empathetic, less afraid, more creative, and more well-intentioned than the average person.  The combination suggests to me that on SOME level, the world could (and probably will) benefit from emulating Burning Man in many ways.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #35 on: 20 Jul 2009, 09:29 »

I am inherently suspicious of any collection of fringe people that appears to be officially sanctioned or ritualised
There is no "official sanctioning" at Burning Man.  There are no corporate sponsors (in fact it is requested that logos appearing on clothing, equipment, or vehicles be removed or covered up, and nobody drives around in any cars that haven't also been turned into works of art), it has never advertised itself in any way other than the word of mouth of participants, and it is encouraged (many would say to a point, while many would not) that any tradition be challenged (you'd be amazed at how many people reacted positively when a guy lit the Man on fire 5 days early in 2007, despite how clearly unsafe and poorly advised of a decision that had been ... a LOT of people were pissed as hell, but a lot of people were saying that it was about time someone did that.  A new Man went up within those 5 days and the regularly scheduled burn happened anyway.)

There IS a LOT of ritualization at Burning Man, but it's got such a diverse population that you could literally interpret anything you wanted out of it.  The whole week is a ritual for a lot of people (I would consider myself one of them at this point), but at the same time nothing about it is standardized (except maybe the climate).  There are a couple festival-wide shared rituals, like the Burning of the Man on Saturday night, and the Temple Burn the following night, and there are also just a few things that happen every year, like the Wednesday night Temple of the Breaks party.  But the whole thing is so freeform from day to day that honestly there's not much to be concerned about.

Really I am just basically more suss on the fact that if you get a lot of people on hallucinogens together performing (admittedly fucking cool) ritualistic displays of the spirit, there is a certain sort of mindset that tends towards a kind of gentrification of said rituals, robbing them of the spontaneity that makes them worthwhile in the first place.

I would admittedly love to check out a Burning Man if I was ever in the US, but I would probably be that guy, and I am not ashamed to admit I would mostly be in it for the drugs and having my body painted and just getting loose as hell (probably basically everything else once I got enough drugs into me tho)

It's not that I think Burning Man isn't a cool fucking idea, its just that I have had a long personal history of seeing cool ideas being institutionalised by "free thinkers" into less cool ideas, and so I usually enter any kind of counter cultural event with a certain degree of cynicism. (sorry!)
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #36 on: 20 Jul 2009, 10:15 »

things to do at burning man:
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  • get sacrificed to bee god(?)

Also I think if I made a list of "reasons why it might be a bad idea for me to go to burning man" the fact that I would be totally down with this would probably make it somewhere near the top

but then again when has my list of things it might be a bad idea to participate in ever really paid off, is what I am asking.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #37 on: 20 Jul 2009, 13:59 »

I must be some kind of freak, I don't look forward to Burning Man for the drugs involved.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #38 on: 20 Jul 2009, 14:55 »

I don't know. If I ever went to burning man, it definately wouldn't be for the drugs. But then again, I'm not going to burning man.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #39 on: 20 Jul 2009, 15:09 »

If I were to go to Burning Man I would go so that I could see all the places where Malcolm in the Middle filmed their Burning Man episode. Frankie Muniz was standing right there!

Also Tania >:c
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #40 on: 20 Jul 2009, 15:14 »

I freely admit that if I went to Burning Man that I would probably do there exactly what I do now most evenings, which is smoke a lot of pot. I would also like to try shrooms at some point in my life, and I feel like Burning Man would be a relatively easy place to acquire them at.

I don't know a whole lot about Burning Man, but what strikes me is just the odd inventions people tend to have there from what pictures and videos Joe's posted here and my own interwebs searches. Lately I've been really trying hard to work more at making things with my hands, be it for art or function, working on my parent's house painting and remodeling, etc. Things like that spider walker? i would really, really love to see how that was made and possibly work towards making something like it myself. I really regret not taking more classes back in high school like shop (I took one advanced shop class my senior year and it is possibly one of the best classes I've ever taken) or learned more about how cars/engines mechanical stuff work.

I'm not denying though that in the end I'm probably exactly like the kid in the decade old Onion article though too.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #41 on: 20 Jul 2009, 15:28 »

I think people have the idea that Burning Man is about everyone tripping the whole time, and that many attach this to a parallel idea that the place is full of slackers and layabouts and generally the kind of dirty lazy hippies that you'd never expect to contribute to society in the "real world," and who go to Burning Man because that's where they can just sit around and get really ridiculously high all the time (because that's what people think happens at Burning Man).

The fact of the matter is that everything that happens there (and there are some completely absurd, massive, outrageous things that happen there) happens through a lot of hard work and dedication on the part of everyone who goes.  Lazy people do not thrive at Burning Man ... they get sunburned and dehydrated and fed up with the heat and the dust, and they don't come back.  The only reason why people come back to Burning Man is to contribute to it, to offer something to an effort they want to be personally involved in and take responsibility for.  Just being self-reliant in a place like the Black Rock Desert is a lot of work on its own, let alone taking the initiative to build a double-decker bus into a giant birthday cake and have a roaming 3-mph dance party until 5 in the morning every night.

By FAR the majority of Burners are hard workers, who understand when they need sober intervals of holding shit down and supporting the community around them (and you'd be amazed at how many people see this as a constant effort and never actually get all that fucked up).  It HAS to be that way ... I mean, it's not like anyone's getting paid for what they're doing, and yet it all happens anyway.  You can't have the kind of fun that people have at Burning Man without really taking shit seriously and buckling down when the time calls for it, and that means not being stoned off your ass all the goddamn time.

For me, Burning Man is about 25% working on my own behalf (to stay fed and hydrated and sheltered and generally healthy), 25% contributing to the effort of maintaining my camp (to make sure they're all equally cared for), 30% walking around semi-to-fully sober (maybe a few drinks or a joint over the course of a day) to attend workshops or meditations or just to hang out with strangers and give them gifts and check out their art and maybe help them build or cook something, and 20% tripping face a couple nights out of the week and going to completely crazy parties.  If I didn't treat it as at least half hard work, I'd just burn out (haha) and I'd be a wreck halfway through the week (and some people do this, and learn their lesson, and work harder the next time they go, or don't come back).  My crew this year is 20 people, and we're a cell within a bigger 130-person camp, so there's a LOT of cooperation and hard work that needs to happen, especially since we're taking charge of kitchen setup and maintenance and cooking for at least one or two nights of dinner.

Even taking into account how much work it is to build and maintain, my camp (Disorient) is still a relatively simple, party-oriented one, compared to a place like Entheon Village, which maintains Sanctuary (the psychedelic emergency services center) and is populated in part by members of MAPS and CosM.  Entheon runs a near-constant series of meditations, yoga classes, workshops, lectures, discussion panels, and the like.  (They also bring a 70-foot fire-breathing dragon art car with a 10,000-watt sound system, visual projections, and a bar, but their reputation is really built on the knowledge they spread and the example they set for eco-friendly practices.)  Disorient can bring the fucking noise, and we do ... the mobile sound on the DEX, our art car, is pretty ludicrous, but no matter what you do at Burning Man, there's always someone else taking it one step further.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #42 on: 04 Aug 2009, 16:36 »

burning man is such a crock of shit.
Why? I've heard a lot of good things.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #43 on: 13 Aug 2009, 11:18 »

burning man is such a crock of shit.
Why? I've heard a lot of good things.

Well, there's this now: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/08/snatching-rights-playa

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Those Terms and Conditions include a remarkable bit of legal sleight-of-hand: as soon as “any third party displays or disseminates” your photos or videos in a manner that the Burning Man Organization (BMO) doesn’t like, those photos or videos become the property of the BMO. This “we automatically own all your stuff” magic appears to be creative lawyering intended to allow the BMO to use the streamlined “notice and takedown” process enshrined in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to quickly remove photos from the Internet.

The BMO also limits your own rights to use your own photos and videos on any public websites, (1) obliging you to take down any photos to which BMO objects, for any reason; and (2) forbidding you from allowing anyone else to reuse your photos (i.e., no licensing your work no matter what is depicted, including Creative Commons licensing, and no option to donate your work to the public domain).
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #44 on: 13 Aug 2009, 11:24 »

This thread is infinitely irritating, I'll just agree with Tania and be all, fuck you Joe jealous. However I guess I might be going to Sunseekers which is fun enough so I am okay
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #45 on: 13 Aug 2009, 13:45 »

It was irritating last month, too.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #46 on: 13 Aug 2009, 15:23 »

I'm interested in Burning Man insofar as it sounds like a place where I could spend a solid week being helpful to people in a unique environment, which sounds pretty cool. On the other hand, I don't really give a crap about art, spirituality, getting high or partying. My attitude is pretty similar to that of a cartoonishly strict secular humanist, when it comes right down to it: I don't really think that there's anything out there beyond what we can do for each other, and attributing importance to things outside of that gets under my skin quickly-- I'm too arrogant/self-centered at times to remember that things that don't have value to me can still have values to others.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm really interested in Burning Man but I think I'd end up drowning some self-help guru in a tub of his own body paint, so it's probably for the best if I don't go.
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #47 on: 13 Aug 2009, 16:07 »

I'm glad this thread is active again!  I like it a lot, and I would've felt silly beating it to death myself, so it's nice to have some activity that allows for actual boarding and not just jerking off.

I don't really give a crap about art, ... My attitude is pretty similar to that of a cartoonishly strict secular humanist, when it comes right down to it: I don't really think that there's anything out there beyond what we can do for each other, and attributing importance to things outside of that gets under my skin quickly-- I'm too arrogant/self-centered at times to remember that things that don't have value to me can still have values to others.

Wait, you're humanist but you don't give a shit about art?  I don't understand.  I always figured humanism was all about art.  I can't think of anything more humanist than art, come to think of it.  Is there specific art that you do attach value to personally?  Where does that value come from?
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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #48 on: 13 Aug 2009, 18:08 »

I couldn't make it through Lollapalooza last year, I would definitely die at Burning Man.

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Re: Burning Man 2009: anyone going?
« Reply #49 on: 13 Aug 2009, 23:30 »

Art doesn't have an immediate, practical value to others in most cases; I generally view art as shit I think is fairly pretty and stuff that isn't. Whenever I create something, I always feel like it was an utterly masturbatory exercise when I'm finished, so perhaps it's better to say that I don't give a crap about creating any more art. Of course, I feel this way about an awful lot of things I do (trust me, this definitely applies to my forum posting and internet use in general); art is merely a noteworthy case because unlike some of my other time wasters people concede the activity a certain degree of legitimacy because it's viewed as a creative venture. Basically, I always kinda feel like I could be doing better, so I suspect there'd be some angst involved following a week in which I wandered the desert helping people make their vehicles look like mythical creatures. That said, I'd still value that more than I'd value a lot of my other activities; I do like interacting with other people, after all, it's just that at this point "What should I value?" is a question I'm not sure I really know the answer to.


Trust me, I don't pretend to consider any of what I just typed to be necessarily well-adjusted, but when I stop to actually question the things I do with my life that's what I come up with.
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