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Re: WE LIKE SPORTS
« Reply #2450 on: 09 Oct 2011, 16:17 »

 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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« Reply #2451 on: 09 Oct 2011, 16:43 »

Seven to go. :)
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« Reply #2452 on: 09 Oct 2011, 23:49 »

Now that the Irish are rebounding, I dare to take a peek at this thread again. Glad to see that jwhouk is enjoying life.

My fandom for NCAA football is likely to go up in the future now that the Alma Mater sent me the link to web broadcast from NBC. ND-AFA was the first game I had a chance to watch in many a year. Our offence looked good, but defending that no-huddle triple option attack was painful. Come on D! At the point when I had to go to bed (like 2a.m.ish) the bad guys were 5 for 5 in 4th down conversions.

BUT. This was the first time I saw the action cam at work. Neat! How do they do it? Has it been around for many season's now?
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« Reply #2453 on: 09 Oct 2011, 23:58 »

It is a very good time to be a Wisconsin sports fan, that is for certain. :D

And what exactly do you mean by "action cam"? The overhead shot? They have cables suspended over the playing field to provide those.
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« Reply #2454 on: 10 Oct 2011, 00:33 »

It is a very good time to be a Wisconsin sports fan, that is for certain. :D

Enjoy! Occasionally I get these regrets about not accepting the offer from UW and happened to pick ND instead for grad school. Don't remember what the point spread was?

And what exactly do you mean by "action cam"? The overhead shot? They have cables suspended over the playing field to provide those.

That's probably it. It was called Action Cam in the web-broadcast. Google hits with that buzzword were mostly for video games.
 
I figured out that they have to use cables for support (and remote control the camera). I just wonder whether a punt or a long bomb has ever hit the cable and ruined a play? IIRC something like that happened once at the (Atlanta?) olympic games, when the TV crew couldn't quite anticipate how high the athletes could throw some objects.
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« Reply #2455 on: 10 Oct 2011, 13:28 »

It's a bit like the huge scoreboard at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington. They try to hang it high enough that it won't interfere with the play, or they "retract" the cables so it won't interfere with the play.

That camera shot happens to be one of the few legacies of the old XFL. Vince McMahon's failed football league used that camera for every game, and despite the fact that no one watched the games after the first few weeks, the camera shot was too good for other networks to pass up. Once the NFL was convinced that it could be used without interfering with the game itself, it got to be a regular part of the broadcast - along with the first down line and the line of scrimmage line that's superimposed on the field.

EDIT: The actual name of the camera is the "SkyCam", and it has fallen onto the field once during a game - back in October of 2007, in an NBC Sunday Night game in Seattle.

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« Reply #2456 on: 11 Oct 2011, 14:41 »

Say you went out last night and met a girl at a bar, found out she liked (insert your favorite sport, but one that not a lot of people in this country like)

But say you kinda definitely dig her, and you find out she digs your team's mortal enemies (say, I dunno, Liverpool).

How does this work, sports/now relationship thread?
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« Reply #2457 on: 11 Oct 2011, 15:08 »

Oh, hey, you're a hockey fan, too? What's your favorite team?

The Chicago Blackhawks?

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Check, please.
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« Reply #2458 on: 11 Oct 2011, 15:32 »

I always had set a rule: No dating Yankees/Canadiens/Flyers/Liverpool/City/Arsenal fans.

So far I've dated a girl who cheated on me with a now-Flyer, and I have a thing for a Liverpool fan.  :psyduck:
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« Reply #2459 on: 11 Oct 2011, 20:13 »

Just hatefuck whenever Liverpool and Man U play each other
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« Reply #2460 on: 11 Oct 2011, 23:20 »

I mean, it's just sport.


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« Reply #2461 on: 12 Oct 2011, 05:43 »

Just hatefuck whenever Liverpool and Man U play each other

aka Saturday, and I was planning on dropping by the bar she tends at on Sunday. *facedesk* You are a BITCH, scheduling.

And yeah May, it is just sport, but it is an embarassingly important part of my life. I think I need to try and focus less on the fact that she likes Liverpool and more she's kinda cute!!.
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« Reply #2462 on: 17 Oct 2011, 17:27 »

Well. That Sucked.
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« Reply #2463 on: 17 Oct 2011, 18:32 »

the first time I get to watch a Vikings game on the tv over here in prison island and I get that.
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« Reply #2464 on: 23 Oct 2011, 07:21 »

City 6-1 United.

Talk me off the ledge, someone.
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« Reply #2465 on: 23 Oct 2011, 11:41 »



 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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« Reply #2466 on: 23 Oct 2011, 11:48 »

Well mostly because he's a grade-A cunt who tried to blow up his bathroom the other day.
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« Reply #2467 on: 23 Oct 2011, 14:44 »

Is this the part where everyone turns round and looks at me with a slightly menacing look of perplexion?
Only the guys, Barmy. Only the guys...  :-D
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« Reply #2468 on: 23 Oct 2011, 16:37 »

THE FRENCH LOST!   :-D

Well, admittedly it was only by one point, but

THE WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS TROPY IS OURS AGAIN!!!!
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« Reply #2469 on: 23 Oct 2011, 17:06 »

Oh, hey, the Packers won!
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« Reply #2470 on: 23 Oct 2011, 17:32 »

I just fell off my chair in shock
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« Reply #2471 on: 23 Oct 2011, 18:11 »

The French won but that was a shit of a game.
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« Reply #2472 on: 23 Oct 2011, 18:38 »

I see the Colts are still keeping up with their new season policy: "Suck For Luck".
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« Reply #2473 on: 24 Oct 2011, 10:37 »

THE FRENCH LOST!   :-D

Well, admittedly it was only by one point, but

THE WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS TROPY IS OURS AGAIN!!!!

Your avatar has to dance the haka or it didn't happen :-) 

Congrats to All Blacks and their supporters!
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« Reply #2474 on: 24 Oct 2011, 13:50 »

Difference between European Football and American Football:

In Europe, if you lose all your games, you get relegated to a lesser league.

In America, if you lose all your games, you get the first pick in next year's draft!
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« Reply #2475 on: 24 Oct 2011, 16:06 »

THE FRENCH LOST!   :-D

Well, admittedly it was only by one point, but

THE WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS TROPY IS OURS AGAIN!!!!

Your avatar has to dance the haka or it didn't happen :-) 

Congrats to All Blacks and their supporters!


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« Reply #2476 on: 24 Oct 2011, 23:07 »

Difference between European Football and American Football:

In Europe, if you lose all your games, you get relegated to a lesser league.

In America, if you lose all your games, you get the first pick in next year's draft!

This (=no relegation/promotion) is something that has always bothered me a bit about American sports. But the draft has some appeal over the European system in which the wealthiest club (=often but not always the defending champion) essentially gets the first ten picks. Ok, it's not so simple, because a team cannot really fit ten prima donnas on its roster.

I guess this is yet another thing were the weight of history is overwhelming. The Euro leagues have their roots in amateur sports, where municipal clubs would rise and fall all depending on how good a group of players with enough spare time the town would muster up. In the US the market was bigger, so enough resources to support a pro league could be found a couple decades earlier, and the rules for the leagues were designed with the interests of the club owners also in mind. But, yeah, my sympathy is with a farm team fan. No matter how good the team, they will never get to play for all the marbles. To some extent the NCAA seems to take the role of a second tier league - catering for the needs of the more local fanbase.

And, of course, I won't truly believe in the draft as the great equalizer unless the Cubs win the world series one of these years.
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« Reply #2477 on: 25 Oct 2011, 06:05 »

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And, of course, I won't truly believe in the draft as the great equalizer unless the Cubs win the world series one of these centuries.

FYP. :D
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« Reply #2478 on: 25 Oct 2011, 09:46 »

Promotion and relgation wouldn't work because the lower divisions here are all feeder clubs/minor league affiliates for the top division.

So that's baseball, hockey, and basketball out. MLS doesn't do it because Don Garber's an asshole.
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« Reply #2479 on: 25 Oct 2011, 19:34 »

The differences come out because of how the games developed in the US:

  • Baseball was formed as "clubs" from the 1840's, then to "professional" clubs in the post-Civil War ear, then to a professional "league" of clubs in 1876.
  • Football developed through college "clubs", which is why college football is a "feeder" for the NFL - the schools were first to play the game. The NFL has always been somewhat beholden to the NCAA, since the league was essentially born of a conglomeration of "town teams" in the post-WWI era.
  • Hockey began as athletic clubs, and came as close to the European model as you could get - until 1909, when the major semi-pro league decided to become all-professional. A second group came along and challenged them (because they weren't allowed in the first league), and eventually became the major professional league in North America (after getting a nudge or two from a west coast league known as the PCHA). Lesser leagues became "feeder" leagues to the NHA/NHL, but essentially maintained the level system (Juniors/Major Juniors/Senior) through today.
  • Basketball took part of the hockey method of club play but merged it with the college game - mostly since the game's inventor coached the University of Kansas squad.
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« Reply #2480 on: 25 Oct 2011, 21:28 »

Thanks for the bit of history!

Another thing explaining the differences may be the size of the country. There are only so many weekends to a season, so the number of teams in a league can't be higher than 30 (leaving out NCAA with its multiple conferences, and also endless discussion about the difficulty of ranking the teams that only play a tiny fraction of the other contenders). And this doesn't scale linearly with the size of the country. So in Europe large countries (England, Germany) have 20+ teams in the top tier leagues, smaller ones may be only 12 teams. In the US the number is close to 30. But still that is only one team per 10 million people or so. That is enough to support a pro team (after all, the money comes from the fans - one way or another). In comparison, Finland's population of 5 million cannot really support a pro hockey league of 14 teams, so the salaries pale in comparison to the NHL. Even Canada, ardent fans that they are, would struggle to support the high end salaries of 10+ NHL teams.

Of course, in the country the size of US logistics of the league become more of a problem than it would be in a country, where you can get anhywhere else by sitting, say, six hours on a bus. When geography forces the teams to go on tours lasting a couple of weeks, the players can't really hang on to regular jobs on the side, right?

Edit: Rats, I really just ended up stating the obvious. The point I was trying to get at was that the size of the country may lead to  there being no pro team in your vicinity. I find that a downer. TV is an adequate substitute for many but not all.
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« Reply #2481 on: 26 Oct 2011, 03:28 »

You're leaving out Australian Rules football, where half the teams in the top competition are from the one city in a loose-ish neighbourhood-type arrangement, then one a little on up the road, then two from each other participating state (the little island down the bottom gets left out because of corporate greed). Basically the national league came into existence in 1990 when the Victorian (the second largest state, the size of Conneticut, say) comp took in a few other sides from cities in other states. Then there are smaller 'local' leagues in each state.
There's a draft system where the losing-est team gets the number one draft pick, except when one team does rubbish for a few years in a row and then they get the number one draft pick. Unless, as has just happened twice, a new team joins the league and they get heaps of early draft picks plus additional allowances to the salary cap so they can recruit a couple of veterans - the beginning of the season just past saw the new team buy one of the last year's best players.
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« Reply #2482 on: 26 Oct 2011, 05:47 »

Minor League teams  have essentially taken away the "town team" concept in most places. Cities in the US have essentially either become pro sports hotbeds, usually emphasizing one sport/team over another, or have embraced a college team or sport.

Examples: Las Vegas is huge on UNLV basketball; Salt Lake City is an NBA town with the Jazz (except when they're all rooting for BYU or the University of Utah); Boise has Boise State football; Grand Forks, ND has the UND Fighting Sioux (and an arena that's arguably better than some NHL rinks); Durham, NC has their AAA baseball Bulls.
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« Reply #2483 on: 26 Oct 2011, 07:26 »

Just sayin', I think Durham is more of a basketball town than a baseball town.
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« Reply #2484 on: 26 Oct 2011, 08:12 »

I believe both of you. IIRC in South Bend, IN, many townies who loathed Notre Dame were supporters of (single-A) SB White Sox. May be it's the same way in Durham (not forgetting the fans who support both)?
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« Reply #2485 on: 26 Oct 2011, 12:45 »

Well, that's the other thing: in Europe, league play in basketball is in the summer, which is the reverse of how it is in the US. Soccer is the exact opposite (MLS plays in the summer, while Europe plays in the winter).

A city with a baseball team and a winter sports team can (theoretically) support both; however, in places like, say, Milwaukee, the "winter" team (Packers) takes over before the "summer" team (Brewers) finish their season.
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« Reply #2486 on: 26 Oct 2011, 18:10 »

MLS sorta has to play in the summer. This is Dick's Sporting Good Park, where the Rapids play, earlier TODAY:



Playing soccer in New England in February? No thank you.
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« Reply #2487 on: 26 Oct 2011, 18:58 »

That's always what floored me about football: it's okay for the NFL to play in the middle of December when temps are low and chance of snow is high - despite the conditions having a huge effect on the game itself.

Anyways: sports in North America are drastically affected by the weather. That's why MLB holds its "pre-season" games in Arizona and Florida. However, MLB has not yet gotten to the realization that maybe it needs to have certain teams/cities host games at the beginning of the season so that games are played, not rained/snowed out (like in Denver, perhaps).

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« Reply #2488 on: 26 Oct 2011, 22:42 »

I was about to point out that the Nordic countries and Ireland make an exception to the European rule that the soccer leagues are run in the winter. Remarkably the British try to run their league in the winter, but occasionally they need to cancel a game.

But, yeah, the wimpy USC team only plays at Notre Dame in October, but the Irish are always scheduled to make their visit to Cal in December.
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« Reply #2489 on: 27 Oct 2011, 00:05 »

There's a reason why all the (long-running) Bowl games in college football are played in the Southern US.
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« Reply #2490 on: 27 Oct 2011, 02:22 »

But I really want to see a Super Bowl on Soldier Field  :-(

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« Reply #2491 on: 27 Oct 2011, 07:55 »

Difference between European Football and American Football:

In Europe, if you lose all your games, you get relegated to a lesser league.

In America, if you lose all your games, you get the first pick in next year's draft!
I like the NFL system better. Fairer and more chance for drama!
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« Reply #2492 on: 27 Oct 2011, 08:52 »

There is nothing more dramatic than when you have 4-5 teams all near the relegation zone with 2-3 games left.

See also: last season's promotion final between Swansea and Reading. That was an incredibly fun game to watch.
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« Reply #2493 on: 27 Oct 2011, 11:23 »

That is a side benefit. More teams have something at stake in the late regular season games => less meaningless matches. Of course my viewpoint may be colored by the fact that I have lost a couple of NHL pools partly to the following: my goalie had been compiling impressive numbers (GAA, SV%) except for lack of wins. So his team is eliminated from the play off hunt early. Suddenly all the other players lose interest in defence, all because they only want to score points to secure a contract extension, and my guy starts allowing 4-5 goals per game on average.... I did learn to pay attention at the time of the virtual draft in the end.
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« Reply #2494 on: 27 Oct 2011, 22:26 »

I only vaguely remember Game 6 of the 1975 World Series. That game was called by many who witnessed it in its entirety the Greatest Baseball Game Ever Played.

Game 6 of the 2011 World Series has beaten it.

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« Reply #2495 on: 28 Oct 2011, 04:34 »

As a Red Sox fan who gets out of work early this afternoon, expect me at your door tonight to punch you for that comment NOTHING IS BETTER THAN FISK I WASN'T EVEN CLOSE TO ALIVE AND IT WAS THE BEST THING EVER.

Fuck, I had a dream about getting a tattoo of Carlton Fisk waving the ball fair once. I kinda still want to get that tattoo.


sidenote: The call killed it, as always. Joe Buck used "We will see you...tomorrow night." I don't know how many times during the 2004 ALCS. I won't remember that for David Freese. What I will always remember is "If it stays fair......HOME RUN."
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« Reply #2496 on: 28 Oct 2011, 05:19 »

eh, it's no Australia v England, second test, 2006/07 series.
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« Reply #2497 on: 28 Oct 2011, 07:14 »

Which was no Bayern 1-0 Manchester United in the 89th minute of the '99 Champions League final.

(aka the game that really got me hooked)
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« Reply #2498 on: 28 Oct 2011, 16:00 »

yeah that one was very impressive and despite not following soccer at all and living in Australia I still know what you're talking about, but that one only went for ninety minutes and scoring two goals in under ten minutes isn't all that improbable.
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« Reply #2499 on: 29 Oct 2011, 10:25 »

Guys, I watched my first half of a rugby league match today! It was rather fun. I'd have liked to have watched the whole game but I had to go to work. It makes so much more sense than union, I could never figure that out - it was like a boxing match with more people. And unsurprisingly England won.
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