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Author Topic: Have You Forgotten?  (Read 19290 times)

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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #150 on: 25 Sep 2009, 04:52 »

all i'm gonna say is that's not the first draft of that post
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #151 on: 25 Sep 2009, 06:47 »

If you look at the imperialist actions taken by this nation and its private interests since 9/11, I think it's pretty clear that the plans were in place before the attacks.

I don't quite know what this means. I mean, if they really had planned ahead to that an extent, don't you think they might have managed not to utterly fuck up quite so much? On the other hand, you are aware that, at least historically, the US has made a point of planning to a limited extent for every war they might possibly be involved in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Color-coded_War_Plans

Given the fact that Afghanistan was already known to be harbouring anti-US groups and militants, and that they had already fought one war with Iraq a decade before and the same government was still in power, I think they probably certainly did plan the wars before 9/11. Just like they planned a war with Pakistan, or Suadi Arabia, or Nigeria, or Venezuala.
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #152 on: 25 Sep 2009, 07:42 »

Can you guys stop telling the truth that kind of prattle has absolutely no place in Truther discussion
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #153 on: 25 Sep 2009, 08:48 »

Just like they planned a war with Pakistan, or Suadi Arabia, or Nigeria, or Venezuala.

or canada

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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #154 on: 25 Sep 2009, 10:07 »

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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #155 on: 25 Sep 2009, 11:06 »

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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #156 on: 25 Sep 2009, 12:03 »

But it's the real truth behind 9/11 - the greatest evils perpetrated in our lifetime may go unpunished simply because our society does not count them as evils. The only question we should be asking is, "How can this change?"

This post is dead on about a lot of things that I think are totally integral to this discussion, and I think it's addressing the fundamentally more important aspects of the issue, so I don't want to challenge you directly on anything you've said because I ultimately agree with it.  But I don't think resemblance to schlocky fictions is necessarily a good reason to discount the idea that maybe there were rich white people who knew some terrorists were going to direct an attack on the US and were looking forward to the opportunity it would present, and that just maybe there were some white people who took part in making it happen.  I don't think anything like that could be proven beyond reasonable doubt, nor do I think that any solution to the problems inherent in this issue would need that proof as a foundation (for the reasons you mentioned), so maybe that makes it irrelevant?  I don't know.

Honestly, I find that what I'm trying to explain to people when I end up talking about 9/11 isn't related to the black-and-white, find-the-bad-guys-and-make-them-pay aspect of it.  I make noise about 9/11 when I want people to understand that the society we've built actively rewards and encourages man's inhumanity to man.  Most people can't really grasp this until they get broken out of the "us vs. them" mindset that 9/11 put our entire nation in, and questioning the idea that it's really "them" that we need to fight against is the only way to do it, all too often.  I mean, I also believe that there are people out there who are consciously acting as forces of evil in the world, that the world really HAS produced such caricatures (Bond villain types), because it's big enough to do so and people can in fact be pushed to that extreme.  But the more important questions, about the nature of a society that can create people like that, don't really allow that to be an "easy out."  Bringing these people to justice doesn't actually fix anything.

I mean, if they really had planned ahead to that an extent, don't you think they might have managed not to utterly fuck up quite so much?

Our hypothetical Bond-villain 9/11 conspirators aren't necessarily the people who actually carried out the plan.  They're just the ones who set it in motion.  Once it gets out of a think-tank conference room and into the actual Iraqi and Afghani deserts, shit goes wrong and people make mistakes.  But I think the decisions that were made happened in a premeditated sequence.
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #157 on: 25 Sep 2009, 15:45 »

Pat Buchanan did 9/11.

He is also a secret Jew and head of the international media conspiracy.
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #158 on: 25 Sep 2009, 20:14 »

Our hypothetical Bond-villain 9/11 conspirators aren't necessarily the people who actually carried out the plan.  They're just the ones who set it in motion.  Once it gets out of a think-tank conference room and into the actual Iraqi and Afghani deserts, shit goes wrong and people make mistakes.  But I think the decisions that were made happened in a premeditated sequence.

Man you think they could have not delegated the part about making sure that the reason they said they were going to war was actually "true" (i.e; WMD's. Or the Baathist government being linked to Al-Quaida.)

white people

Is this relevant?
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #159 on: 25 Sep 2009, 21:02 »

You have to admit it's at the very least a good guess.
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #160 on: 25 Sep 2009, 21:14 »

I dunno I've got info that points conclusively to them being greenish-blue
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #161 on: 25 Sep 2009, 21:44 »

That site never gets old
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #162 on: 27 Sep 2009, 14:44 »

I make noise about 9/11 when I want people to understand that the society we've built actively rewards and encourages man's inhumanity to man.  

it is possible to believe this without believing that george bush done nineeleven

in fact a cursory reading of the history of capitalism in its current form would show how good it is at responding to any contingency to make a buck off it
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #163 on: 05 Oct 2009, 20:24 »

Have you heard the word?
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #164 on: 05 Oct 2009, 20:49 »

That really might be the most entertaining *pedia article I have ever read.
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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #165 on: 05 Oct 2009, 21:30 »

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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #166 on: 05 Oct 2009, 21:39 »

For the record our own Johnny C edited the article I linked and made it not egregiously racist.

Except for the part about his celebration of "Kill Whitey Day" as a child, because he missed that. Or it's the truth. Whichever.
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« Reply #167 on: 05 Oct 2009, 21:56 »

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Re: Have You Forgotten?
« Reply #168 on: 05 Oct 2009, 21:59 »




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