Well what is it that you guys like about it? I can understand why the kitchen-sink production could be appealing, and there is a raw, naked passion about it. But it's just so dense and so long, there's not enough dynamic to it. To me, kitchen-sink production is about the impact of dropping it in, not just using it immediately. And the songs are soooo long. The last one goes on for a verrrrry long time.