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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #250 on: 16 Feb 2011, 23:30 »

GOLF WANG SWAG SWAG WUT

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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #251 on: 17 Feb 2011, 00:21 »

Well holy fuck, after this and Yonkers I can tell why nobody's shutting up about these guys.

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« Reply #252 on: 17 Feb 2011, 10:52 »

Odd Future is currently blowing up my FB feed. 5 people I know have posted the Fallon vid today.

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« Reply #253 on: 17 Feb 2011, 11:12 »

A dude hugged me the other day for acknowledging Odd Future's existence.
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« Reply #254 on: 17 Feb 2011, 21:20 »

Shit just got real.
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« Reply #255 on: 19 Feb 2011, 23:23 »

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« Reply #256 on: 20 Feb 2011, 09:28 »

also, Wiz Khalifa also has a new mixtape Cabin Fever that is produced by Lex Luger (aka same dude who produced Flockaveli)
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« Reply #257 on: 20 Feb 2011, 21:18 »

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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #258 on: 20 Feb 2011, 22:04 »

Really like Yonkers, but I find that I like OFWGKTA the less I listen to their music.
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« Reply #259 on: 21 Feb 2011, 13:09 »

I mean obviously Yonkers was made to be a sell-out track. He wanted to make something that carried the emotion and would still get him paid. He succeeded admirably. If you're down to listen to Tyler and Earl rap about rape, then fuccin swag it out, Earl and Bastard are both amazing records. Not surprised the board can't hang with a lot of it though. If you can't hang with that, MellowHype's Blackendwhite is actually maybe my favorite OF release, and it's way way toned down as compared to the hard shit. Complaining about homophobia in rap music is kind of pointless at this point though.


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« Reply #260 on: 21 Feb 2011, 13:10 »

Also I haven't had a chance to listen to the Flocka yet but fuccin MYSTIKAL is on a track so SWAG SWAG SWAG.
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #261 on: 21 Feb 2011, 13:16 »

Complaining about homophobia in rap music is kind of pointless at this point though.

why?

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« Reply #262 on: 21 Feb 2011, 13:32 »

For the same reason it's stupid to complain about like, John Darnielle singing about feelings? It's what it is.
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #263 on: 21 Feb 2011, 13:41 »

So you're saying that this subgenre of rap is inherently and indelibly homophobic and bigoted, and to remove that from it would damage its essential qualities? Or are you just being foolishly fatalistic?
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« Reply #264 on: 21 Feb 2011, 13:42 »

also John Darnielle singing about feelings is a bad comparision because there is nothing morally dubious to having "feelings" be the subject of a song
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« Reply #265 on: 21 Feb 2011, 16:41 »

So you're saying that this subgenre of rap is inherently and indelibly homophobic and bigoted, and to remove that from it would damage its essential qualities? Or are you just being foolishly fatalistic?

I'm saying it doesn't matter. Complain about faggot, complain about nigga, complain about the sexism inherent in calling someone a pussy, complain that fuck is an offensive word, all you're doing is distancing yourself from the music. If it sounds good, listen to it, its not your job to save the world from other people's opinions or speech patterns, and trying to claim that your moral compass is more valid than Tyler or any other rappers isn't benefitting anyone but your own sense of ethical superiority.
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« Reply #266 on: 21 Feb 2011, 16:43 »

That may come off as a little offensive, and I really don't mean it to be. What it comes down to is if the language offends you, don't listen to it. I feel like you'll be missing out on some of the most original rap music in 10 years, but if calling someone a faggot is an insurmountable barrier for you, than don't listen. You wont be bothered by the morality if you don't hear it.
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« Reply #267 on: 21 Feb 2011, 16:56 »

psh Shad is way better.
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #268 on: 21 Feb 2011, 17:00 »

It's hard if you're a structuralist. Guys rapping about murder isn't all that objectionable given that nobody seriously condones murder - that's a sort of vaudeville. But plenty of people seriously condone rape and of gay-bashing. It's pretty obvious that the dudes are rapping about rape to get a rise out of people but there's remarkably little distance from reality there. It's just exaggerated in the case of sexual assault (forcible instead of "grey" rape, etc.) and not really exaggerated at all in the case of homophobia. It doesn't really have anything to do with OFWGKTA in particular, and with culture in general.
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #269 on: 21 Feb 2011, 17:08 »

I'm saying it doesn't matter. Complain about faggot, complain about nigga, complain about the sexism inherent in calling someone a pussy, complain that fuck is an offensive word, all you're doing is distancing yourself from the music.

You know what distancing myself from bigots and their music doesn't really seem like a bad thing. Actually it's kind of a good idea, if you don't want to look like one yourself!

Personally, I don't know if OFWGKTA are actually homophobes. That's not even the point. The point is, by some mysterious mechanism, I am apparently not allowed to state any discomfort due to them or any other musical artist appearing to be so.  I would appreciate it if someone could explain why I, an active participant in western culture, am not allowed to have a dissenting opinion about an artwork that exists within that arena?
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #270 on: 21 Feb 2011, 17:16 »

Basically I take offense to the lazy notion that "if you don't like it, don't listen/look at/read it". It insinuates that people ought to merely passively absorb culture instead of being active in changing, forming and creating it. If that's all you wanna do that's fine, whatever i guess.

this is not to say I particularly feel strongly one way or another about OFWGKTA. Yonkers is pretty okay! most interesting thing posted in this thread yet, minus the homophobia.


edit: I had another thought-- seeing as the initial response I made was in reference to the notion of whether criticising homophobia in rap had any merit in general , probably shouldn't have attatched "I" to it in my previous post.  Personally I'm not that keen to make a big issue of it myself; it really isn't something i spend a lot of time thinking about. but hearing it said that it was nobody's business to make such a criticism was just too ridiculous a blunder to pass up.
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« Reply #271 on: 21 Feb 2011, 17:50 »

Something to ponder; Syd tha Kyd, OFWGKTA's engineer and only female member, is a lesbian. Explains these lyrics from Yonkers: "While Syd is tellin' me that she's been gettin' intimate with men/(Syd, shut the fuck up) Here's the number to my therapist/Tell him all your problems, he's fuckin' awesome with listening," which implies the concern for Syd's well-being is due to the fact that she's sleeping with dudes and not girls.
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« Reply #272 on: 21 Feb 2011, 18:18 »

Well I guess we'll just have to pull her lesbian card
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« Reply #273 on: 21 Feb 2011, 18:34 »

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that Syd's lesbianism explains or excuses the homophobia present in OFWGKTA's music, only that it might indicate they're "adopting the mantle of a homophobe" as Tommy said. The consequences of homophobia being professed by a narrator in a song (whether or not the artist in question is homophobic themselves) is at the heart of what is being debated, not OFWGKTA's particular prejudices.
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« Reply #274 on: 21 Feb 2011, 18:41 »

I'd point out that gay manhood and lesbianism are really two different things, especially when lesbians also have sex with men. Homophobes just hate that most of all.
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« Reply #275 on: 21 Feb 2011, 19:22 »

Had anyone said this I would surely be agreeing with you but I think it was just one ambiguous sentence.
the initial one was ambiguous to be sure, and it didn't go quite that far but following ones did say just that: to decry homophobia in hip hop was nothing but high-and-mighty posturing. It isn't, for one thing, and for another it isn't pointless to complain about it, unless, as mentioned before, you are a defeatist who doesn't think culture, this or any other one, can ever change!

As for the point you wanted expansion on, I think it's simpler than you are thinking. An active response to an artwork can merely be a comment about it. It's better than deciding to not listen to it, in the same way that writing an article about how fast food is bad for people can have greater effect that merely making the personal choice not to eat at mcdonald's ever. Ideally you'd do both.

You are indeed right to say there's a lot of gray area here and the idea of how music lovers should position themselves in regards to the politics of the artists they listen to is a difficult issue. And I'd like to talk about it a bunch more because it is really interesting! I guess the only real salient point I am trying to make here is simply that the sheer complexity of our pluralistic, layered confusing culture does not absolve anyone from criticism, even if the critic cannot guarantee full understanding of the context of their work. Nobody can guarantee that. Furthermore, it is not a pointless excercise to attempt to criticise elements of art and/or culture you disagree with, especially considering how effective that very activity has been in the last sixty or so years. 
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #276 on: 21 Feb 2011, 19:27 »

really I think that's it's own thread now though huh

I'm not gonna start it right now though I am going to bed soon.
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #277 on: 22 Feb 2011, 10:46 »

psh Shad is way better.

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« Reply #278 on: 22 Feb 2011, 11:49 »

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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #279 on: 23 Feb 2011, 14:38 »

Sorry to steer the conversation way from debate for a sec, but where should I start with Lil' B? I've heard he has a problem with consistency, so I'd like to know which songs/albums/mixtapes are good and which are wack
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« Reply #280 on: 23 Feb 2011, 14:48 »

I'm not familiar with most of his mixtape work, but Angel's Exodus is as straightforward as B gets in my experience. It's in one of the mediafire threads.

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« Reply #281 on: 23 Feb 2011, 19:03 »

Silly John, all music is free
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« Reply #282 on: 24 Feb 2011, 17:55 »

Sorry to steer the conversation way from debate for a sec, but where should I start with Lil' B? I've heard he has a problem with consistency, so I'd like to know which songs/albums/mixtapes are good and which are wack

Evil Red Flame devil music muxtape just dropped, it's super tight, also six kiss and I'm thraxxx
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Re: Swag Me The Fuck Out
« Reply #283 on: 25 Feb 2011, 20:25 »


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« Reply #284 on: 25 Feb 2011, 20:28 »

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« Reply #287 on: 05 Mar 2011, 20:24 »

The Frank Ocean LP is actually super tight. Kinda surprised until I found out Tricky Stewart produced a bunch of it and Ocean has been helping Stewart write for the last year or so.
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« Reply #288 on: 05 Mar 2011, 21:20 »

Yeah that seemed to take everyone by surprise.
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« Reply #290 on: 08 Mar 2011, 15:54 »

Clams Casino. one of the best/best-named recent producers, this is an instrumental comp of songs he's done w/ lil b+others. all great

This is boss as hell just get the boys around and get torn up and rap about being on a porch with four dudes and rap about rapping and maybe ride a skateboard down a set of stairs in slow motion, i don't know.

Checked the thread real quick, didn't turn up anything by King Fantastic, I'm playing their album a lot lately I guess I really like their swagger, like its music you put on headphoens and stroll down the street at exactly the right pace to feel like a motherfuckin pimp even if you are normally some scared looking guy in a cardigan.

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« Reply #291 on: 08 Mar 2011, 17:47 »

The Knight Riderz remix of "Westcoastsynthezierbeachbumgangstermusic" was my jam back in Feb

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« Reply #292 on: 08 Mar 2011, 21:31 »

Youtube comment:
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« Reply #293 on: 09 Mar 2011, 17:35 »

In about a week, I will be seeing OFWGKTA.
And Yelawolf.
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« Reply #296 on: 11 Mar 2011, 19:34 »



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« Reply #298 on: 14 Mar 2011, 22:11 »

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