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[westrim]

So since I got here and no one had made a thread yet, I figured I would, again. People, this is getting creepy. I am NEVER on time or early for things, so being the first to start the discussion thread twice in a row is most unsettling. Hop to it and make it before I get here or I'm going to start getting serious heebie-jeebies.

[akronnick]

I've ben waiting for someone to start it for like three hours now, I didn't start it myself because I did it a couple of weeks ago, but if the comic had gone up I would have started it.

So Marten, Faye, Angus, bewbs, yadda, yadda, yadda.

[Carl-E]

Can't get into the ustream chat. 

Can't say as I'm terribly dissapointed, either...

[westrim]

If only life was simple enough that there could be a strategy guide for it. Now thinking sad thoughts...

[badbum61]

Talkin'? Considerin'? Feelin'?

Gee, Faye's certainly loosened up for someone who once refused to use contractions....

[Natasha]

I get very upset at the idea of a Faye/Angus possibility. He's such an obnoxious jerk.

[akronnick]

Yeah and Faye is nothing but lollipops and kittens. 

[raoullefere]

Actually, lollipops and kittens might be an accurate description of Faye: delicious and, ah, fluffy (busomy, chesty, what have you) looking, but get within reach and the claws sink in. Worse, given Marten, Angus, and even Sven's, god help us, reactions, rather sticky and difficult to get free of.

[JackFaerie]

Hhmmm, not so fond of Faye retconning her relationship with Sven, even in jest. By "he used a cheat code" she apparently means "I grabbed him and started making out with him to his total surprise, and then initiated a fwb situation with him"?

[Malek]

"Lime Ass" Flavored drinks....

[St.Clair]

Right, because coffee drinks are so much healthier.

[Blackjoker]

Hhmmm, not so fond of Faye retconning her relationship with Sven, even in jest. By "he used a cheat code" she apparently means "I grabbed him and started making out with him to his total surprise, and then initiated a fwb situation with him"?

I think it might be more that she was drunk and impulsive, also if memory serves he used his 'Come Hither' look on her (though he was aiming for Hannelore and missed) which might be her definition of a cheat code. I do like the idea of Marten as a strategy guide but he seems rather incomplete as he is closer to a "Ok, don't do X, I have no clue if anything will HELP you but I can tell you what will get you kiilled."

[JackFaerie]

It's just that she keeps casting herself as The Much-Wronged Victim in that relationship and not taking any responsibility for a situation that she, in effect, orchestrated.  I think she has plenty of reason to still be upset and hurt about it, but I also maintain that, within the boundaries of the situation (as it was set up by Faye!) Sven did very little "wrong."  A lot "stupid" and "unfortunate," but little morally wrong.

[akronnick]

Wow!!!

Lot's of old scabs gettin' ripped open up in here!

Ought to make for an exciting week here in the good ole Serious Pony Discussion Forum!

[Ravenswing]

It's just that she keeps casting herself as The Much-Wronged Victim in that relationship and not taking any responsibility for a situation that she, in effect, orchestrated.  I think she has plenty of reason to still be upset and hurt about it, but I also maintain that, within the boundaries of the situation (as it was set up by Faye!) Sven did very little "wrong."  A lot "stupid" and "unfortunate," but little morally wrong.

Yeah, beat me to it.  Pity there's no one in her life who can really get away with making her face that:

1) She went after Sven, not the other way around;
2) Both of them explicitly acknowledged that it was about sex and nothing else;
3) Faye made it clear that she wasn't interested in any genuine relationship;
4) He slept with someone else and was up front to her about it;
5) She couldn't hack it and bailed, the end.

I don't think Sven did anything wrong.  What he was was her regular late night booty call.  If she wanted a monogamous pairbond, she should have negotiated one.  She didn't owe him anything - and would have violently resented any suggestion that she did - and he didn't owe her anything.  Period.

Okay, she couldn't hack him boffing someone else, and she bailed; that's her right.  But time for her to do some growing up and take responsibility for her own actions.  "Cheat code," feh.

[akronnick]

Everything you just said is true but you left out an important detail:
       She specificly told him that if he were to hook up with anyone else, it would end their arrangement.

By choosing to sleep with Gina, Sven chose to end the arrangement with Faye. Whatever their relationship was Sven chose someone else.

[Dliessmgg]

Everything you just said is true but you left out an important detail:
STOP WRITING IN YELLOW!

Fixed.

[Border Reiver]

The next day people stop retconning their own past is the first.

[Binary]

"Lime Ass" Flavored drinks....

And "Gross Tea"?!

Can't get into the ustream chat. 

Can't say as I'm terribly disappointed, either...

Ustream timing usually sucks for me, but I was able to catch a bit of the last panel being drawn while eating breakfast. As the chat topic turned to oral sex, Jeph drew the cow poster with the "EAT ME!" caption. Lucky coincidence, or comedy genius?

And, FayeFAQS. We know - she FAQed Sven. 

[Dliessmgg]

As the chat topic turned to oral sex, Jeph drew the cow poster with the "EAT ME!" caption.

Now that you mention it, the cow is kinda dick-shaped.

[akronnick]

Ustream timing usually sucks for me, but I was able to catch a bit of the last panel being drawn while eating breakfast. As the chat topic turned to oral sex, Jeph drew the cow poster with the "EAT ME!" caption. Lucky coincidence, or comedy genius?

And, FayeFAQS. We know - she FAQed Sven. 

I usually just maximize the main window and completely ignore the chat bar. I want to see the master at work, not the silly little fanlings* arguing over who has the biggest cock.


*fanlings: non-gender-specific equivalent of fanboi/fangurl.

[LTK]

If only life was simple enough that there could be a strategy guide for it. Now thinking sad thoughts...

Forget life, I'd be glad if there was a strategy guide for relationships in general. That alone must be enough to fill a large book.

[Carl-E]

Everything you just said is true but you left out an important detail:
       She specificly told him that if he were to hook up with anyone else, it would end their arrangement.

By choosing to sleep with Gina, Sven chose to end the arrangement with Faye. Whatever their relationship was Sven chose someone else.

Hear, hear!  

In addition, Sven was the one that got back in touch, missing her (acting like a dick at the sledding party, or a 3rd grader, same thing), then wanting to make it better and hang out again - although he messed things up, he was also the one who wanted the relationship to go further than the set boundaries, probably for the first time in his life, and much to his own dismay.  Don't forget all that angst about "developing a conscience"!  

Also, he's been keeping a pretty low profile since his brief conversation with Wil.  Which brings up another dangling thread I'd like to see in the new year; How are Wil and Penelope doing?  Sven can be expected to be absent for long periods of time, peddling his songs in Nashville, or wherever; but Wil & Penny are right there, in town, workin' hard...

Remember, folks; cheat codes not only get you bad endings, they spoil the satisfaction of actually surmounting life's challenges and winning!  

[LTK]

In case you're wondering about Wil, Sven and Penny:

spending new year's at the bar with Wil. ladyless. fuck.

Going to the New Year's party alone 'cause Wil has to work at the bar tonight

[Mad Cat]

Apparently, Faye's cheat code is in her pants. Remember, she got drunk and slept with him after the night of karaoke.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1081

[SleeperCylon]

I don't think Faye and Angus would work very long.  Angus is too dumb for Faye to find that interesting, and not masculine enough for her to find that attractive.  If they got together it'd only be a 'Hey someone actually likes me!' thing.

[Kross]

Faye's cheat code is Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Pelvic thrust. I call it the Orgasmi Code.

[Kugai]

Faye's cheat code is Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Pelvic thrust. I call it the Orgasmi Code.

You forgot the jump to the left



I think that Marten suits Faye perfectly as her Strategy Guide - albeit a few pages missing.   

Bot does that make Marigold Angus' Guide or visa versa?

[Zingoleb]

I thought that was Prism's...wait, nevermind.

[JackFaerie]

Hear, hear!  

In addition, Sven was the one that got back in touch, missing her (acting like a dick at the sledding party, or a 3rd grader, same thing), then wanting to make it better and hang out again - although he messed things up, he was also the one who wanted the relationship to go further than the set boundaries, probably for the first time in his life, and much to his own dismay.  Don't forget all that angst about "developing a conscience"!  

Also, he's been keeping a pretty low profile since his brief conversation with Wil.  Which brings up another dangling thread I'd like to see in the new year; How are Wil and Penelope doing?  Sven can be expected to be absent for long periods of time, peddling his songs in Nashville, or wherever; but Wil & Penny are right there, in town, workin' hard...

Remember, folks; cheat codes not only get you bad endings, they spoil the satisfaction of actually surmounting life's challenges and winning!  

...

...

Sven did NOT "mess" anything up. Faye said she wanted them to be casual and sex-only and yet exclusive (ridiculous), Sven did not agree to that, she said that if he slept with someone, she would leave. OK.  As negotiated, it was totally his right to sleep with someone so long as he did not require Faye to stay afterward, and then it was Faye's right to leave.  They both exercised their rights.

Sven did not WRONG Faye in sleeping with Gina.  He hurt her, but he did not wrong her. Just like if a relationship is no longer working for one person in the couple, it does not put them in the moral WRONG to break up. Although Sven didn't even intentionally choose Gina over Faye, BUT HE COULD HAVE.

In fact if he'd come up to Faye and told her "so yeah, I met this girl, and she is not ashamed to be seen in public with me and isn't trying to maintain exclusivity while withholding any sort of commitment on her end, so I'm gonna go be with her now, bye," I would have cheered him on.

[raoullefere]

Too bad Faye's code is not right hand in, out, in, and shake. Life was so much easier when the Hokey Pokey described it—implied sexual connotations and all.

I blame Shigeru Miyamoto .

[Carl-E]

Hear, hear!  

In addition, Sven was the one that got back in touch, missing her (acting like a dick at the sledding party, or a 3rd grader, same thing), then wanting to make it better and hang out again - although he messed things up, he was also the one who wanted the relationship to go further than the set boundaries, probably for the first time in his life, and much to his own dismay.  Don't forget all that angst about "developing a conscience"!  

Also, he's been keeping a pretty low profile since his brief conversation with Wil.  Which brings up another dangling thread I'd like to see in the new year; How are Wil and Penelope doing?  Sven can be expected to be absent for long periods of time, peddling his songs in Nashville, or wherever; but Wil & Penny are right there, in town, workin' hard...

Remember, folks; cheat codes not only get you bad endings, they spoil the satisfaction of actually surmounting life's challenges and winning!  

...

...

Sven did NOT "mess" anything up. Faye said she wanted them to be casual and sex-only and yet exclusive (ridiculous), Sven did not agree to that, she said that if he slept with someone, she would leave. OK.  As negotiated, it was totally his right to sleep with someone so long as he did not require Faye to stay afterward, and then it was Faye's right to leave.  They both exercised their rights.

Sven did not WRONG Faye in sleeping with Gina.  He hurt her, but he did not wrong her. Just like if a relationship is no longer working for one person in the couple, it does not put them in the moral WRONG to break up. Although Sven didn't even intentionally choose Gina over Faye, BUT HE COULD HAVE.

In fact if he'd come up to Faye and told her "so yeah, I met this girl, and she is not ashamed to be seen in public with me and isn't trying to maintain exclusivity while withholding any sort of commitment on her end, so I'm gonna go be with her now, bye," I would have cheered him on.

Dear Sir or Madam; 

Please respond to what I actually wrote, not what you think I meant.  Sven messed up at the sledding party.  He was, much to his own surprise, feeling hurt and lashed out at Faye.  Mainly because, unexpectedly, he foud that he actually cared for her.  He did not mess up the original contract, as you so kindly point out; however, he did mess up any chance of their relationship becoming anyhing more, and keeping her in his life. 

They both held up their end of the bargain.  And it didn't work out well for either of them.  Aparrently a little worse for Sven, he seems to be having a harder time recovering, while Faye seems to be coping better now that it's all over. 

Of course, who knows (besides Jeph and the vague amount of arc scripting he has) where it will all be going, but please remember - the physical act of sex and our emotions are horribly intertwined with each other.  There's really no such thing as a FWB, and even though a lot of people may want to argue that point, casual sex is unhealthy in more than the STD related way.  It messes with the emotional state of both you and your "partner". 

Supressing those emotions to keep the FWB facade isn't good, either.  You should love your friends.  If it goes further, great, but call it what it is - LOVE!!

[Carl-E]

Too bad Faye's code is not right hand in, out, in, and shake. Life was so much easier when the Hokey Pokey described it—implied sexual connotations and all.

That is what it's all about! 

Thank you for the imagery. 

Where'd I leave the mental floss?

[The Duke]

I don't think Faye and Angus would work very long.  Angus is too dumb for Faye to find that interesting, and not masculine enough for her to find that attractive.  If they got together it'd only be a 'Hey someone actually likes me!' thing.

Didn't Faye once explicitly state that she did find him attractive?


Edit: Yes.  (panel 4)

[Kugai]

I thought that was Prism's...wait, nevermind.

Don't tell me you said Rainbow Lovechild - again?!

[Is it cold in here?]

Faye had been drinking when she jumped Sven but two lines of evidence point to her not having been drunk. First, she wasn't drawn with intoxication bubbles. Second, her speech patterns had not lapsed into drunkdrawl. It may also be relevant that there was no mention of a hangover in the morning.

[Binary]

I usually just maximize the main window and completely ignore the chat bar. I want to see the master at work, not the silly little fanlings* arguing over who has the biggest cock.

Unfortunately, for some reason full-screen ustream won't work on my PC. The screen just breaks up into jagged noise. It doesn't happen on Youtube, but I get the same problem when I try to watch Lem drawing Bunny on Vimeo.

Edit: This seems to be an issue with Firefox. I just took a look at today's ustream on IE8 and full-screen works fine. Anyone else have this? (I'm on FF version 3.5.6)

[akronnick]

Quick! Somebody google aural sex.

I dare ya.

I double dog dare ya.

[TheReaper]

Quick! Somebody google aural sex.

I dare ya.

I double dog dare ya.

I hate you so much I wish you would die from it. >:[
Doubleplus ungood, would not google again.

In case you're interested: Gay sex, gay sex, chick with a remote, chick getting her ass groped, album cover, chick in high heels, chick in bikini.
First line, anyway.

EDIT: I was so busy wishing HORRIFIC DEATH upon an innocent forumgoer that I forgot to mention how hilarious I found the last panel.
Also, pink boxers.

[Near Lurker]

So...Marten goes commando?

And now Faye walks in to find Marten with his member flying free.

[akronnick]

Worse, Faye walks in with Angus while Marten has his member flying free.

Even worse, Faye walks in pulling Angus by HIS member while Marten has his member flying free.

Worst of all, Hannelore and Marigold walk in while Faye is pulling Angus by the member and Marten has his member flying free.

[zagraf]

There was a Family Guy episode where Meg and others at her school, following a "premarital sex is bad, mmkay" lecture, take to having ear-sex as an alternative to complete abstinence.  Peter falls for this too, for some reason which eludes me.

[westrim]

Quick! Somebody google aural sex.

I dare ya.

I double dog dare ya.

The weirdest thing I found doing that was this: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,923601,00.html, a Times article. The rest was all pretty meh, even image search. I guess I'm jaded.

I usually just maximize the main window and completely ignore the chat bar. I want to see the master at work, not the silly little fanlings* arguing over who has the biggest cock.

Unfortunately, for some reason full-screen ustream won't work on my PC. The screen just breaks up into jagged noise. It doesn't happen on Youtube, but I get the same problem when I try to watch Lem drawing Bunny on Vimeo.

Edit: This seems to be an issue with Firefox. I just took a look at today's ustream on IE8 and full-screen works fine. Anyone else have this? (I'm on FF version 3.5.6)

I am, and no issues here bro (ironically). Maybe its a plugin error.

So...Marten goes commando?

And now Faye walks in to find Marten with his member flying free.

? You can clearly see the boxers. Unless he has sparse pubes and really pink skin under it.
 

[akronnick]

Yes Marten is wearing pink boxers, but if he does indeed intend to do naughty things to Dora's ear canal, wouldn't it follow that he would have to allow little Marten into the open?

[Blackjoker]

There was a Family Guy episode where Meg and others at her school, following a "premarital sex is bad, mmkay" lecture, take to having ear-sex as an alternative to complete abstinence.  Peter falls for this too, for some reason which eludes me.

Peter is rather dumb and suggestible. And yeah, I remember the line 'Prompting a new phrase, once you go black, you go deaf'

[westrim]

Yes Marten is wearing pink boxers, but if he does indeed intend to do naughty things to Dora's ear canal, wouldn't it follow that he would have to allow little Marten into the open?

But he isn't commando, which was the issue. Unless we are working off different definitions; mine is "not wearing underwear under outer clothes".

[akronnick]

He isn't commando yet.

[westrim]

He isn't commando yet.

....So he's going to remove his pants and boxers, then put on the pants again without the boxers? Seems unnecessary. 

[Ravenswing]

Everything you just said is true but you left out an important detail:
STOP WRITING IN YELLOW!

Fixed.

[Ravenswing]

There was a Family Guy episode where Meg and others at her school, following a "premarital sex is bad, mmkay" lecture, take to having ear-sex as an alternative to complete abstinence.  Peter falls for this too, for some reason which eludes me.

That seems to be one of the rationales for the current oral sex kick in high schools, which a startling number of kids claim to Not Be Sex.