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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #50 on: 03 Mar 2010, 03:39 »

On that note, let's all read this essay too:

Overthinking It: The Lethal Weapon in the Hurt Locker

As you can probably guess, points out a lot of the parallels between Hurt Locker and the Lethal Weapon films (and popcorn action flicks in general) and makes some intriguing points about why THL is lauded while other films with many of the same themes are snubbed. Make sure to read all three pages.

It's also worth nothing that Kathryn Bigelow directed Point Break, for fuck's sake.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #51 on: 03 Mar 2010, 05:46 »

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The script for The Hurt Locker is solid, but it’s nothing spectacular. It’s episodic, and very little holds the episodes together. The characters are written a bit flat and erratic, but that makes sense, because this is an action movie. It has an uneasy relationship with plausibility that betrays that it was written by an embedded journalist – our culture’s fishmonger of hyper-real wartime fantasy passed off as truth. The dialogue is kind of cliché a lot of the time. The framing devices are a bit clunky.

That, minus the word "Solid", and a lot of the modifiers, is basically the reason people should dislike this movie.

It's also worth noting that Shane Black directed Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, which isn't important to this topic, I just really like that movie.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #52 on: 03 Mar 2010, 07:29 »

As you can probably guess, points out a lot of the parallels between Hurt Locker and the Lethal Weapon films (and popcorn action flicks in general) and makes some intriguing points about why THL is lauded while other films with many of the same themes are snubbed. Make sure to read all three pages.

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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #53 on: 04 Mar 2010, 02:10 »

OK so the guy obviously isn't a professional journalist/is just some dude tapping out shit off the top of his head (the website is called Overthinking It, after all) but the points are still valid.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #54 on: 04 Mar 2010, 02:12 »

Yeah Avatar's pretty much gonna win this year. The Hurt Locker is the Juno of '09. Most people thought it would be Precious, but that movie didn't have the white people needed to gain traction enough for a backlash.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #55 on: 04 Mar 2010, 11:05 »

No, they probably just don't like having to say "Precious: Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire" every time they want to talk about it.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #56 on: 04 Mar 2010, 11:10 »

There's also the fact that the movie was a piece of crap.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #57 on: 04 Mar 2010, 18:50 »

You know i was reading an article about Kathryn Bigelow the other day and  read that she directed one of my favorite vampire movies. Near Dark. Ya its cheesy and horrible but for some reasons growing up I loved this movie. I actually bought it for my psp a little while ago and eventhough it seems aged it still is a good movie IMO. Guess thats all the more reason why i hope Hurt Locker and Kathryn Bigelow win the Oscar.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #58 on: 06 Mar 2010, 22:18 »

Just watched this movie. Crazy
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #59 on: 07 Mar 2010, 21:17 »

Aw dang it just won best picture and director.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #60 on: 07 Mar 2010, 21:34 »

At least it wasn't Avatar.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #61 on: 07 Mar 2010, 21:37 »

Suck it, AVADA
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #62 on: 07 Mar 2010, 21:46 »

fuck yooooou james cameron your ex-wife is the shit and she will never love yoooooou
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #63 on: 07 Mar 2010, 22:12 »

Apparently they are still really close friends, you fuuuucckkkk
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #64 on: 07 Mar 2010, 22:13 »

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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #65 on: 07 Mar 2010, 22:14 »

James Cameron does not have friends. He is a hollow shell filled with precious gold coins.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #66 on: 07 Mar 2010, 22:17 »

James Cameron is a Christmas Tree Surrounded By Presents For Children Who Have Died
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #67 on: 07 Mar 2010, 22:23 »

Somebody get Forest Whitaker another Oscar for keeping a straight face during his introduction of Sandra Bullock.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #68 on: 07 Mar 2010, 22:23 »

I have to admit, I lost a fairly large amount of respect for him when I learned he directed Hope Floats.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #69 on: 07 Mar 2010, 23:44 »

So are we talking about the Blahcademy Aboreds here now? 'Cause man George Clooney had his "I'm tired of all this bullshit" face on all night.

EDIT: also it was nice to see Jeff Bridges win. I always thought he was just acting in the Big Lebowski, but apparently not.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #70 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:02 »

SANDRA BULLOCK?

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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #71 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:12 »

yeah that was stupid

almost as stupid as avatar getting best cinematography. hello? it was CGI, folks.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #72 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:16 »

i can't wait to hear james cameron crying long and loud how he should have gotten every award and other pissing and moaning.  hurt locker deserved it just as much.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #73 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:17 »

Uh, Cameron isn't three.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #74 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:22 »

yeah that was stupid

almost as stupid as avatar getting best cinematography. hello? it was CGI, folks.
Doesn't mean it wasn't extremely well made. Depending on what definition of cinematography you are using, it might not count, but the "camera"work was done well.

Isn't there a best visual effects category? I know there was one at some point.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #75 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:37 »

camerawork requires a camera. they won visual effects (and they deserved that one). but designing something on a computer is not comparable to composing, choreographing, and lighting a shot/sequence in real life. they did not deserve a cinematography award because quite simply, there was no cinematography in that film. like i said, they deservedly won visual effects. but giving them best cinematography would be like giving an editor "best original screenplay." it's just not applicable.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #76 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:38 »

You're arguing semantics
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« Reply #77 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:43 »

maybe. but as a film student who understands how bloody hard it is for DPs to do their job, it's downright frustrating when someone with a fancy computer program swoops in and steals an award they have no business receiving. a programmer doesn't coach the actors, collaborate with the director, aim the camera, adjust lighting fixtures, get a dozen PA's to hold flags, or practice the move. he just presses a button and everything is magical and lovely. i'm not saying it doesn't have merit, i'm just saying it's not the same art.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #78 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:55 »

And really, there's even a huge difference between Avatar and a film like Up. On 3D animated films, there's still someone (well, usually a team of two) that acts in almost exactly the traditional way of a cinematographer. They set the lighting, focus, angles, lenses, aperture, everything. I would rather see that win best cinematography than Avatar, a film in which you can just point a camera in the right direction, then have someone else make it look good in post.

Also, regardless of whether it's the same or not, the images on screen in both The White Ribbon and Inglorious Basterds were leagues better.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #79 on: 08 Mar 2010, 00:59 »

I'm gonna go make a Academy awards thread, hold on.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #80 on: 08 Mar 2010, 01:10 »

You're arguing semantics

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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #81 on: 09 Mar 2010, 11:23 »

Everything in Avatar was done with cameras then CGI.

So there.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #82 on: 09 Mar 2010, 12:36 »

So was A Scanner Darkly, but I sure as hell wouldn't give it a cinematography award.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #83 on: 14 Mar 2010, 05:24 »

The Oscars aren't awards handed out in the opinion of the film business
They are, actually. The public doesn't choose winners, members of the Academy do, and they're people who work in the film business.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #84 on: 14 Mar 2010, 08:26 »

While there is certainly a financial aspect I think you are overemphasising it. Just to name a reason and to keep it on topic, it makes no financial sense to have The Hurt Locker trounce Avatar; Avatar is a proven money maker while THH barely recouped during its theatrical run and has not become a smash hit after winning. Also keep in mind that the largest group of voters in the academy are actors themselves.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #85 on: 14 Mar 2010, 12:03 »

exactly the way it was when digital photography essentially took over in still image.

I think that's really your main flaw there. This is not the difference between digital photography an film photography. I don't care if the winning film was shot on 35MM or an iPhone. This is like a 3D generated image winning a best photography award because they used a photograph as a reference image. I think most photographers would be angry about that.

And frankly, that's not even the biggest complaint I have. I wouldn't care if an almost completely CG movie won best cinematography if the individual frames of the movie were better than the individual frames of all other movies. Avatar isn't even in the same league as many other films that came out last year in that criteria.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #86 on: 14 Mar 2010, 20:48 »

I don't think you understand how Academy voting works. Actors make up the largest voting block, but they only constitute 20 percent of academy membership. Only for best picture does every academy member get to vote. In all other categories, only the people who work in that field vote. So members of the academy who are directors vote for best director. Members of the academy who are actors vote for best actor. Members of the academy who are cinematographers vote for best cinematography. That is the main reason that the winner for best cinematography confounds me so much. Generally, I don't disagree with the winner for best cinematography, and usually, it's very tough competition. For instance, having Robert Elswit up against two Roger Deakins nominations. Though this year, I wasn't feeling the nominations, nor the winner.
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #87 on: 15 Mar 2010, 03:42 »

But but but what if they're wrong
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Re: The Hurt Locker
« Reply #88 on: 15 Mar 2010, 07:07 »

Look at this piece of shit. It's an award winning photograph.

What the fuck surely they have awards for digital art/photomanipulation/whatever.

Like I mean I do not know if there is an award for whatever you would call what Avatar is (I guess it's a visual effects thing) but that is not photography but it is a whole other medium which is just as legitimate but it is not fucking photography argh what the shit
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« Reply #89 on: 15 Mar 2010, 10:00 »

Like I mean I do not know if there is an award for whatever you would call what Avatar is (I guess it's a visual effects thing) but that is not photography but it is a whole other medium which is just as legitimate but it is not fucking photography argh what the shit

That is one of my main points. I'm not trying to disparage all of the hard work that goes into a movie like Avatar, what I'm saying, is that they won the award that goes for all of that work, Visual Effects.
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