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Re: iPad!
« Reply #50 on: 29 Jan 2010, 13:11 »

I'm just curious why they thought that multitasking was apparently impossible in the year 2010. Also I'm wondering why HD Space is $100 for 16gigs.
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« Reply #51 on: 29 Jan 2010, 13:12 »

I actually spent today thinking about this and I realised that when I use my netbook, I am multi-tasking in Windows. The inability to replicate this on the iPad essentially negates it as a competitor for netbooks, at least for my own personal usage of a mobile device. I need a netbook to do stuff my iPhone can't handle, so a larger version of my iPhone is of very little help to me. Thus, I can't think of a reason I'd be tempted into an iPad personally.

I get the feeling this is going to be bumped in a year when I inevitably have the 2G version.
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« Reply #52 on: 29 Jan 2010, 13:30 »

Wait, and no Flash support?

What exactly are they doing with this device again?

I also find the idea that it is a replacement for an e-reader ridiculous. It seems like the only peopel who could seriously make that argument are folks who have never used an e-reader because goddamn is an e-reader useful for reading sessions.
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« Reply #53 on: 29 Jan 2010, 13:50 »

When I first heard about this thing, I was like "ooh maybe this will be a sleek, sexy e-reader replacements that I could actually afford."

Oh, how wrong and naive I was.
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« Reply #54 on: 29 Jan 2010, 13:52 »

I have yet to see a single good reason to get this device.  I've heard some sources calling it a netbook killer....and yet no flash support and no multitasking?  Seriously?  A replacement for the E-Reader? You have to do better than that.  Can someone tell me what separates this thing from being a big iPod touch without telling me how the specs/hardware has changed?
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« Reply #55 on: 29 Jan 2010, 18:01 »

A quick list of things I would like the iPad to have: multitasking, flash support, direct usb in/out, direct to hdd storage that is shared across apps & accessible if you dock it with a computer, an elegantly-executed photo-frame style pop-out stand so you didn't necessarily require a dock or their fucking ugly bag/stand contraption to stand it upright, a user-facing webcam so you could videochat with it, the ability to make phonecalls with the 3g version (especially with a bluetooth earpiece)

In fact, most of those are not "would like", more like "expected".  Flash was always going to be left out because the iPod, iPhone and now iPad are all content-delivery systems first and a consumer device second.  Flash takes control out of Apple's hands, so it's never going to get into any of their devices without extreme restrictions.  Everything else though? Come the fuck on.
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« Reply #56 on: 29 Jan 2010, 23:14 »

I think Lenovo actually pays attention to the Internet, because they're working on what the iPad should have been: a convertible netbook tablet with multitouch. It's only $50 more than the 32 gig, 3G-less iPad too. (Reportedly there's a $550 model with the same screen and form factpr, but the slower 1.66 ghz Pine Trail Atom and a 160 gig HD.)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/29/lenovo-ideapad-s10-3t-multitouch-tablet-up-for-order-with-atom-n/

It's Pine Trail based too, so it has the GMA 3150 built in. Not as good as the Nvidia Ion (GeForce 9400m), but better than the GMA 950 and 500 the Atom has usually been paired up with. (Much more efficient, less heat output, longer battery life, better video performance...)

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« Reply #57 on: 30 Jan 2010, 00:24 »

Yeah, with Windows 7 out for a while now it's only a matter of time before multi-touch netbooks and Windows 7 multi-touch tablets start coming out.  So of course APple has to make a big deal about theirs right now so it looks like they had the idea first.  I mean, HP showed their slate pc at CES, a full 20 days before Apple.  Over here we got practically no news coverage on it, despite it looking almost exactly the same as the iPad, only running full Windows 7.  Runs Kindle software, so you can load up Kindle ebooks onto it.  It's full Win7 so you can load pdfs and pretty much any other fucking thing you want, including any kind of video you can play on a Win7 pc, it can do more than one thing at once and you can run your choice of browser with flash enabled.  So how is that not better than the iPad in just about every way that matters?
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« Reply #58 on: 30 Jan 2010, 00:26 »

Another win for the HP unit is that so long as it has a decent on-screen keyboard you could run Dwarf Fortress on it, fuck yeah.
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« Reply #59 on: 30 Jan 2010, 01:28 »

Also, holy shit you guys I just read a really fucking awful article.  Here it is, for your reading pleasure: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/01/29/apple_reinventing_file_access_wireless_sharing_for_ipad.html

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Outside of savvy computer users, the idea of opening a file by searching through hierarchical paths in the file system is a bit of a mystery. Add in the concept of local and cloud file servers and things really get confusing.

No, really it doesn't.  The most computer-illiterate users at my workplace still understand the concept of clicking "File\Open..." and searching through a set of logically-named folders until they find the file they want to open.  My parents know how to search through folders.  Pretty much everyone gets this.

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The iPhone similarly abstracts away the file system entirely; there is no concept of opening or saving files, just a media library of Photos and file attachments that stay connected to their mailbox items.

I like how they try to spin "Apple won't allow you to save anything directly onto the hard drive of the device you paid a shitload of money for in a way that lets you access it universally from any app on the device"

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Rather than iPad apps saving their documents into a wide open file system, apps on iPad save all their documents within their own installation directory. Delete the app and you'll clean out all of its related files. This is how the iPhone OS already works.

So basically, the iPad is reinventing file access by doing it the exact same way as they have done it previously?  Ok!

What this means is that if you have a text file you want to open up in one app, then another you have to use wifi to put it into app A's local storage, then when you are done with it you copy it back out onto a pc, then back into app B's storage.  Pretty great!

I couldn't even put up with this shit on my phone.  I hope Apple don't seriously expect me to put up with it on a MID.
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« Reply #60 on: 30 Jan 2010, 01:52 »

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Jesus, that sounds absolutely freaking horrible.  My mom (who needs the most idiot proof computer she can get) knows how to access files.  Everything I've been hearing about this just keeps making it seem worse and worse.  I had very little interest in this product and now I'm only interested to see what the reviews of this thing are going to be like. 

How are the apple fanatics taking this?  Are they happy? Or confused?
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« Reply #61 on: 30 Jan 2010, 18:43 »

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« Reply #62 on: 30 Jan 2010, 18:47 »

To be fair, I agree with the last one.
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Re: iPad!
« Reply #63 on: 30 Jan 2010, 19:53 »

That's kind of a bitch move, to be honest!

Via Gawker, here's a funny little tidbit - Apple's promo videos clearly show the iPad using Flash, which it can't.



They ended up correcting it. Truth in advertising!



I'm aghast at how Apple actually released all this stuff when there are such glaring problems with it. I mean even the Air was at least sexy and, it could be argued, not really meant for general use. No flash? I can live with that. No multitasking? How did that get past them? How can you make a consumer-grade computer that can't handle more than one process at a time in 2010?
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« Reply #64 on: 30 Jan 2010, 21:08 »

In Apple's defence on the promo shots, apparently the WSJ or whoever it was sent them HD mockups of their site, so they aren't actually browsing the site there, they are browsing a high-resolution image of the site on an internal Apple webserver.

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« Reply #65 on: 01 Feb 2010, 19:03 »

http://cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/1/ipad2.jpg

A: I can not think of one single website which I use regularly which utilises Flash in any meaningful way. Fuck Flash, the sooner it disappears the better.
B: You're right, luckily I'm not a giggling nincompoop so it's not really a concern
C: I had no idea this was a binary choice! What happens if I do neither?
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« Reply #66 on: 01 Feb 2010, 19:49 »

A: I can not think of one single website which I use regularly which utilises Flash in any meaningful way. Fuck Flash, the sooner it disappears the better.

yeah fuck youtube amirite
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« Reply #67 on: 01 Feb 2010, 20:33 »

Youtube would be an obvious exception were it not for the Youtube app which comes standard on every iPhone and iPod Touch. I can't imagine that they'd ditch it on the iPad, but I've seen no evidence either way. Anybody is welcome to clear that up for me.
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« Reply #68 on: 02 Feb 2010, 03:07 »

The main thing I'd want in flash is about a gazillion free flash games on places like Kongregate and Armor Games and such, which is one of the reasons why it'll probably never happen due to it providing direct competition to game apps, most of which look like direct conversions from existing free flash games.  If they came out and said that there was no way to lock flash down to ensure that their app developers got a good return on their development time, and to ensure that people couldn't get exploits via flash insecurities then I'd respect the decision a bit more.  However, all I hear (and mostly from Apple fans, rather than from Apple itself) is that flash is a dying platform and html5 is coming and blah blah blah.  This for the last few years, when flash has been something that has been fuelling fun on the web during that time.

I mean, I have an iPhone now and I'm really enjoying it.  But when Flash 10.1 hits Windows Mobile devices I'll still download a shitload of games onto my HD2 and play them, because free games are fucking tops.
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Re: iPad!
« Reply #69 on: 02 Feb 2010, 03:19 »

Oh hey, actually : http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/02/01/steve_jobs_disparages_google_adobe_at_company_meeting_reports.html

So yeah ok, Steve Jobs is directly saying he don't like flash & that it causes a lot of crashes, despite it never really causing me much grief ever.  That is the attitude I dislike in this situation.  Just come out and say that flash doesn't fit in with your content policy.  People won't care, and people like me would respect you for telling the fucking truth.

edit: another article with pretty much the same info rephrased here: http://www.tgdaily.com/consumer-electronics-features/48263-jobs-blames-adobe-flash-for-crashing-macs


I find it pretty interesting that there is this direct attack on flash only a few days after one of the major complaints about the iPad was that it didn't support flash.  I find it pretty interesting that he says "Apple doesn't support flash" when their macs support flash just fine.  I find it pretty interesting that the iPhone obviously does support flash played through some sort of app as a translator like the Youtube app when there is enough of a demand for it and when it can't be used to damage their own little content delivery ecosystem.

I hope enough people can read between the lines on their own when they see this shit, because he's really cranking that FUD-handle like it's going out of style.
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Re: iPad!
« Reply #70 on: 02 Feb 2010, 17:34 »

I have to agree with Jhocking, it really loses a lot in the embiggening process. If someone had told me that picture Tommy posted was just some shopped joke, I would have believed them because it just seems silly blown up that big.

I have no idea why you think this, it's a perfectly cromulent device.
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Re: iPad!
« Reply #71 on: 02 Feb 2010, 21:20 »

A: I can not think of one single website which I use regularly which utilises Flash in any meaningful way. Fuck Flash, the sooner it disappears the better.

Y'know, while I certainly disagree with the "fuck Flash" sentiment (after all http://www.newarteest.com/flash/flash.html ) I can't think of many websites making good use of Flash either. There's Hulu, and the gazillion Flash games est referred to, and... yeah I'm drawing a blank. Mostly you see Flash used for animated ads, and that's hardly a good use.

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« Reply #72 on: 02 Feb 2010, 21:55 »

I think Hype Machine relies on flash.
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« Reply #73 on: 02 Feb 2010, 22:18 »

I find it pretty interesting that he says "Apple doesn't support flash" when their macs support flash just fine.  I find it pretty interesting that the iPhone obviously does support flash played through some sort of app as a translator like the Youtube app when there is enough of a demand for it and when it can't be used to damage their own little content delivery ecosystem.

Your characterization of the situation isn't quite right, although you are right that there is more of a backroom battle than Apple is admitting. Thing is, that battle is to a certain extent pushing back against how Microsoft tried to own web video. I know you're probably thinking "huh? what does microsoft have to do with anything" but seriously it's complicated, read this:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/06/ogg_theora_h_264_and_the_html_5_browser_squabble.html

Long story short, thinking that Flash games are a significant factor here is ignoring that the real prize is web video.


(oh, and the youtube player on iphone has nothing to do with Flash. Basically, youtube sends video to iphone in the same format that iTunes uses to play movies, not as Flash videos. I used to think it's pretty amazing that youtube could host so many frikkin videos for free, but it's actually even more astonishing than that because they actually store like a dozen copies of every video in multiple resolutions and file formats.)

ADDITION: in fact another page on that site linked as a related article explains about how youtube on iphone has nothing to do with flash. Refer to the bottom of this article:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/18/flash_on_the_iphone_again_sounding_like_wishful_thinking.html
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Re: iPad!
« Reply #74 on: 03 Feb 2010, 03:28 »

Thanks for the info, Jho.  Also, there are a bunch of news sites that use some sort of custom flash player to stream video news/reviews/etc.
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« Reply #75 on: 03 Feb 2010, 11:42 »

The article on the codec wars was pretty interesting, but holy shit did the author not bother hiding his bias. I mean, I know it's an apple centric website, but he could have at least attempted to write it as an objective piece.
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« Reply #76 on: 03 Feb 2010, 16:37 »

Read the parts that say "In 1997 Company A did X" and ignore the parts that say "and that's why they are pig-dogs while Apple rulez!!!"

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« Reply #77 on: 03 Feb 2010, 16:55 »

Yeah, that's what I did. I was just commenting on how blatant the author's bias was.
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« Reply #78 on: 03 Feb 2010, 18:36 »

If I tried to write the same article without the bias, given the content, I think I would struggle immensely.
Company A uses shady practices to put competition out of business and tries forcing users and developers to use their own proprietary formats.
Rival Company B pushes interoperable formats that can be used by everybody on any system so it can have some staying power against company A.
Or did I totally misread that article?
I struggle to take anybody seriously if they suggests that Windows is more of an 'everyman' company than Apple.

I like the iPad. If I had a better wage, I'd buy one. I can justify it because my iPod broke last week. I'm poor though, and unwilling to wait so I'm going to settle for an iPod touch. What I wouldn't give for that extra power and screen size, though. It's a good gadget. It's not the holy grail of tablets everybody was expecting due to the noise that surrounds anything Apple does these days. To be fair, anything they release after the iPhone is probably going to be a disappointment. Anything that isn't essential for everybody and doesn't make the earth shake is going to be viewed as extravagant. All eyes are on Apple to deliver now, so if a product doesn't do exactly what you're expecting it to, it's "shit".
Well, no, it's not, it's just not for you.
Literally, the only complaint I've seen about the iPad is "It's not a computer!"
The iPad is not a computer. That is what has gotten the technology geeks of the internet so bent out of shape? Are you being serious? Please tell me this is a joke. If you want to run a task that you would usually run on a computer, run it on a computer. It should be readily apparent that the iPad is not a replacement computer to anybody that has eyes and a lick of common sense.
There's all these jokes about it being a big iPhone as if the designers were somehow not aware of this. The iPhone is an excellent media device. It's also not a computer. It's a media device that fits in your pocket. It's kinda small for a lot of the media activities it is capable of, it'd be cool if it was significantly bigger.
Have any of you ever used a 17inch laptop? They're not particularly portable.
They're essentially a 13 inch laptop, but bigger, for the people who require a bigger display.
Have any of you seen the Nintendo DSi XL? They say it's for old people, but personally I'd love to play my DS games on a bigger screen.
Hey, infact, how big is your television? Televisions can be pretty big. Typically, they're small, but they're better bigger. People prefer bigger TVs.
Generally, a bigger screen is a welcome thing, right?
The iPad is not a computer. It's not a laptop replacement. It's a bigger media device. I've heard it called "netbook killer" and then compared to notebooks. Like a nice laptop. Laptops are made for multi-tasking. Netbooks are tiny things the size of a paperback novel designed for browsing the web, they have less processing power than the average biscuit.
Is it a good replacement for a netbook? Sure, I guess.
For a laptop? Don't be ridiculous. But that's not what it's supposed to be.
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« Reply #79 on: 03 Feb 2010, 18:44 »

Even described as a bigger media device, that sounds completely and utterly idiotic.

Why would I want to carry something the size of a small monitor around to just listen to music and watch videos? That just sounds obnoxious as fuck.

People keep saying "well you're not the target audience" well who the fuck is the target audience except for morons with money and a steaming desire to look like it?
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« Reply #80 on: 03 Feb 2010, 18:46 »

What I love about that browser war story is how Microsoft's relationship to Flash is kinda like the US's relationship to the Taliban. First Microsoft teams up with Macromedia to fight off rivals, and then is like "oh shit now they're using the weapons we gave them against us" and whips up Silverlight to to try to kill off the monster they created.

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« Reply #81 on: 03 Feb 2010, 19:12 »

Even described as a bigger media device, that sounds completely and utterly idiotic.
Why would I want to carry something the size of a magazine around to just listen to music and watch videos? That just sounds obnoxious as fuck.
People keep saying "well you're not the target audience" well who the fuck is the target audience except for morons with money and a steaming desire to look like it?

I think the target market is people who don't take gadgets too seriously and think it'd be a neat thing to have regardless.
Personally, I'd love something like this for travel. I probably wouldn't whip it out while standing in a line to check my emails, or use it to browse the web in a coffeeshop, but I wouldn't use a laptop for those things either. When it comes to long bus/train/car/plane journeys and overnight stays out of the house though, it's definitely more preferable than a laptop, netbook or tiny little phone.

Joe, the browser wars are even more entertaining if you picture them as being children's anime TV shows, with each company being portrayed as a meaty dude with spikey hair or a giant robot, and the various formats being lasers that they fire out of their hands.
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Re: iPad!
« Reply #82 on: 04 Feb 2010, 02:48 »

Also, in the back of my head constantly while reading that MS vs Apple & Quicktime article is "yeah, but the Windows Quicktime player is fucking shit"
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« Reply #83 on: 04 Feb 2010, 05:01 »

Plus you could also just buy an iPhone (which is a cellphone and has 3G) or an iPod Touch (which is a media player small enough to fit in your pocket).

However, here's the thing. The first iPod was rubbish. The first iPhone was too. I waited for a couple of years to get both because I know Apple is fond of letting consumers vote with their dollar. The first iPad looks to me like it might be a little bit useless but give it a year and I'll bet they really use the feedback they're going to get from their users for free to create something which will drastically improve on the first generation iPad. If you buy one now, you're essentially buying a prototype of sorts because Apple will be answering their critics with a new device a year or two down the line.
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« Reply #84 on: 04 Feb 2010, 05:12 »

Am I the only one who thinks that is incredibly fucking maddening? It seems a pretty pervasive mindset among both software and hardware makers that you can let out a substandard product on initial release because you always get a do-over, particularly in software where fixing any extant flaws are as easy as releasing an automatically downloaded patch.

It's probably not as apparent to most people but working in a technology college with well over fifty computers has made this kind of laziness incredibly acute to me. Is it too much to expect a product to actually work on release?
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« Reply #85 on: 04 Feb 2010, 06:33 »

Fifty whole computers? wow that is a technology college.  :roll:

People keep saying "well you're not the target audience" well who the fuck is the target audience except for morons with money and a steaming desire to look like it?

man I didn't notice it before, but you sure have a lot of pent up anger toward this device. Did an iPad steal your girlfriend or something?

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« Reply #86 on: 04 Feb 2010, 07:18 »

None of your goddamn business, Hocking. This is personal.
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« Reply #87 on: 04 Feb 2010, 08:45 »

I sort of want to dismiss the notion that a device smaller than a regular laptop but still not small enough to fit in your pocket is more portable than a laptop.

The iPad is way less than half the size and weight of my laptop, probably be a between half or a third of the cost, doesn't have a lid and likely won't require a charge for every few hours of use.
My laptop is just a few inches too big for the majority of bags I own, and takes up all the space in the few designed to contain it. The iPad will fit in all my bags and even in the pockets of two of my jackets.
The touch screen interface is far more preferable to a keyboard for me, given that I tend to browse the internet via mouse clicks rather than keystrokes. I can't really place enough importance on that interface. It's simple and easy. It's not at all like a trackpad, which is what I'd be using on my laptop, unless I were to take a mouse with me. A mouse in addition to the powercable. The powercable that I would have a very hard time finding a socket for in a car, on a bus, or in many of the local coffee shops. I use my laptop to hold all of my media and documents. I use it to run torrents, word process, record music at home, run graphics applications, I use it as a home media hub. All I need it to do out of the house is browse the web and maybe run an IM client. Possibly watch movies, if I am travelling.
It doesn't even need to play music, I have tiny mp3 players for that purpose. I don't want to carry a £2000 laptop around for the purpose of having a web browser. Something about that just seems kinda idiotic to me. Especially when I could have a much smaller, cheaper device do all those things just as well
The iPad is really not that big if I compare it to my alternative setup. I could fit 2.5 iPads on the lid on my macbook. If I open the lid, that's 5 iPads.
I like bags. I like that I have a variety of them. I like that I have small, light and discreet bags that are perfectly suited to contain something the size of an iPad. If I want to carry my laptop, everybody knows I am carrying a laptop, guaranteed. Because I am likely carrying it in a backpack the size of my torso.
The iPad is inarguably more portable than a laptop.
Of course, I don't need an iPad. I bet I'll do just fine with an iPod touch. I really do see nothing wrong with this device. It seems like a fine device.
I have absolutely no reason to complain about the iPad.

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« Reply #88 on: 04 Feb 2010, 09:10 »

I've carried two Macbooks and a Macbook Pro in my messenger bag at one time with plenty of room to spare.  Do you own bags meant for children?
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« Reply #89 on: 04 Feb 2010, 09:13 »

 

This is a man ready for his iPad.
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« Reply #90 on: 04 Feb 2010, 09:49 »

Is it too much to expect a product to actually work on release?

Actually to be fair, this is one of the things Apple is fairly good at. The iPad will work just fine, it just won't have a number of features which you and I would deem completely obvious from the off. For example, the iPhone worked perfectly well when it didn't have copy & paste. It still performed any number of functions, it just didn't have copy & paste. The iPad is the same. It will do the things it does well enough, it just won't have a whole bunch of stuff you and I would have considered necessary for a practical mobile computer.
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« Reply #91 on: 04 Feb 2010, 10:41 »

Yeah, it's pretty reasonable if you think about it. We all buy cars all the time that drive really well except they forgot to have a driver's side door. It's an investment in one day getting a model with that lovely door.
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« Reply #92 on: 04 Feb 2010, 12:27 »

That's not really the same. It's like a car not having sat nav or a sun roof. Lots of cars don'ts have those, it doesn't make it less of a car.
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« Reply #93 on: 04 Feb 2010, 13:45 »

I've carried two Macbooks and a Macbook Pro in my messenger bag at one time with plenty of room to spare.

Were you robbing the Apple Store?

Yeah, it's pretty reasonable if you think about it. We all buy cars all the time that drive really well except they forgot to have a driver's side door. It's an investment in one day getting a model with that lovely door.

This sentiment really connects to that youtube clip darryl posted. The damn thing isn't even released yet and you're already making analogies to a near ubiquitous technology that's been in continuous development for over 100 years.
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« Reply #94 on: 04 Feb 2010, 13:56 »

Three goddamn macbooks in a bag at one time? They say you're privileged if you own a single macbook, but to have three in your bag at once? Ludicrous!
I am going to dismiss anything you say from here on out, Muppet King, you are an irregular person!

That said, your response to 'I don't want to carry around a computer' was 'I can carry three computers, why can't you?' and I had a little giggle at that.
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« Reply #95 on: 04 Feb 2010, 14:10 »

I own one, my fiancee and my best friend also own them.  I was the only one with a bag so I carried them.

I was responding to your claim that your laptop doesn't fit in a bag, simply pointing out that an average sized bag can carry many.
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« Reply #96 on: 04 Feb 2010, 14:13 »

I never said that. I said it doesn't fit in a small bag. Laptops are big, if you want to carry it, you need a bag that is at least as big as your laptop, and I don't particularly like carrying something that size around.
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« Reply #97 on: 04 Feb 2010, 14:23 »

"Average sized" is pretty relative in any case. There was a point in my life where carrying around a big ol' messenger bag made sense, but these days I go for bags exactly the size of my laptop and nothing more (one convenient side effect of how Apple handles the Macbook line is that lots of companies have fitted Macbook bags) and even that's only on days when I need to carry my laptop with me because I'd much prefer not to carry any bag at all (which of course means I have little interest in the iPad.)
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« Reply #98 on: 04 Feb 2010, 14:41 »

Yeah, no offense, but this sounds like a case of "average bag if you're the assistant to a businessmen, professor or other professional sadist."
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« Reply #99 on: 04 Feb 2010, 15:37 »

This sentiment really connects to that youtube clip darryl posted. The damn thing isn't even released yet and you're already making analogies to a near ubiquitous technology that's been in continuous development for over 100 years.

Oh come on even the first cars had d-



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