Topic: WCT April 5-9, 2010 (Read 61174 times)

jwhouk · « **on:** 04 Apr 2010, 19:36 »

Here's your discussion thread. Discuss.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #1 on:** 04 Apr 2010, 20:07 »

Is "discuss" the opposite of "cuss"?

akronnick · « **Reply #2 on:** 04 Apr 2010, 20:10 »

I always thought it was like a really heavy frisbee.

Tuitsuro · « **Reply #3 on:** 04 Apr 2010, 20:41 »

Quote from: akronnick on 04 Apr 2010, 20:10

I always thought it was like a really heavy frisbee.

Nah, the heavy ones you throw in high winds, so it'd be a disgust.

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #4 on:** 04 Apr 2010, 21:17 »

Ok I just got back from six months in the future and I can honestly say that today's comic was the absolutely funny-est thing I have ever seen on the internet... sadly due to causality violations and a temporal paradox we accidentally caused Jeph to come up with a different idea... Which he is still apparently working on.

Sorry folks.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #5 on:** 04 Apr 2010, 21:20 »

You violated causality? What's your excuse for that, that causality was provocatively dressed?

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #6 on:** 04 Apr 2010, 21:23 »

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 04 Apr 2010, 21:20

You violated causality? What's your excuse for that, that causality was provocatively dressed?

No, it dropped the soap in the shower and bent over. After spending so much time in prison what happened next was just pure reflex.

I apologize for destroying the next six months worth of comics though... so cut me some slack.

Tuitsuro · « **Reply #7 on:** 04 Apr 2010, 22:09 »

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 04 Apr 2010, 21:23

I apologize for destroying the next six months worth of comics though... so cut me some slack.

From the way you put it, it sounded like today's QC was great, but then it went downhill for six months as Jeph couldn't best it. So from our perspective, maybe you saved us half a year of forum rants and bitchings regarding the great QC suckhole of 2010.

Kugai · « **Reply #8 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 00:55 »

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 04 Apr 2010, 21:17

Ok I just got back from six months in the future and I can honestly say that today's comic was the absolutely funny-est thing I have ever seen on the internet... sadly due to causality violations and a temporal paradox we accidentally caused Jeph to come up with a different idea... Which he is still apparently working on.

Sorry folks.

Thank you MDBS, I have passed this information onto the Starfleet Bureau of Temporal Affairs - Please expect a visit from the Captain of the USS Relativity shortly.

On a side note, please be on the lookout for Captain Braxton - he is currently wanted and suffering from Temporal Psychosis - Do not approach and inform the proper authorities.

Thank you for your time.

akronnick · « **Reply #9 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 01:18 »

Hannelore always has such a pragmatic outlook on things, doesn't she?

jeanramone · « **Reply #10 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 01:29 »

Wow Hannelore, that's some great support you're giving there. /sarcasm. I get that she is pushing her boundaries and that but to hate on someone for feeling down just doesn't help at all, quite the opposite actually.

wargrafix · « **Reply #11 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 02:00 »

hot damn, I hate when fiction parallels in real life.

I got rejected this weekend, on my birthday. And its was the horrible kind.

On comic topic, hanners is going crtiical. Soon the entire cast of QC will be swallowed in the singularity of a hanners hole.

~~Schmorgluck~~ · « **Reply #12 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 02:15 »

Well, self-loathing is a pretty shitty thing to witness.

zagraf · « **Reply #13 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 03:19 »

Hanners meant well, but what worked on Faye ("I am not putting up with any more of your shit!") clearly isn't going to work on Marigold.

~~Schmorgluck~~ · « **Reply #14 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 03:42 »

She's too involved. Which, by the way, is good news for her mental health. But she's a bit too close to Marigold to be efficiently stern, like she did with Faye, but also with Dora and Marten. There her general detachment from common relational hijinks gave her an edge to call bullshit on people. Not so much here.

Tuitsuro · « **Reply #15 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 04:28 »

Marigold's good at hating herself. She's had years of experience to know how to berate herself, and if you've ever dealt who's truely like Marigold then you know it's very hard to get them out of that mindset. They wallow around in self-pity and it becomes hard to tell if you've made any progress with them at all. Makes it fairly easy to just give up on them, because it seems they've already given up on themselves and refuse to get unstuck from the mire. Sort of like that horse in Neverending Story. It just sits there and sinks in the swamp and you as a 5-year-old start crying because of that fucking horse.

zagraf · « **Reply #16 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 05:08 »

Quote from: Tuitsuro on 05 Apr 2010, 04:28

hey wallow around in self-pity and it becomes hard to tell if you've made any progress with them at all. Makes it fairly easy to just give up on them

Like Family Guy's Lois who, after trying to cheer Meg up, says, "All right, look, it's been forty-five minutes. I'm leaving you with a bottle of Ambien and a book of Sylvia Plath poetry, and whatever happens, happens." Dark humour at its darkest.

Carl-E · « **Reply #17 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 05:19 »

Quote from: wargrafix on 05 Apr 2010, 02:00

hot damn, I hate when fiction parallels in real life.

I got rejected this weekend, on my birthday. And its was the horrible kind.

Sorry to hear that. Bt really, is there a non-horrible kind?

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On comic topic, hanners is going crtiical. Soon the entire cast of QC will be swallowed in the singularity of a hanners hole.

Hanners hole? Hmmm....

Nooo! ...must...fight...mental....image!!!

jwhouk · « **Reply #18 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 05:37 »

Quote from: Kugai on 05 Apr 2010, 00:55

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 04 Apr 2010, 21:17
Ok I just got back from six months in the future and I can honestly say that today's comic was the absolutely funny-est thing I have ever seen on the internet... sadly due to causality violations and a temporal paradox we accidentally caused Jeph to come up with a different idea... Which he is still apparently working on.

Sorry folks.

Thank you MDBS, I have passed this information onto the Starfleet Bureau of Temporal Affairs - Please expect a visit from the Captain of the USS Relativity shortly.

On a side note, please be on the lookout for Captain Braxton - he is currently wanted and suffering from Temporal Psychosis - Do not approach and inform the proper authorities.

Thank you for your time.

I'd think he'd be better served looking out for Katarakis and the Chronomancer.

sudamerican · « **Reply #19 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 05:48 »

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It just sits there and sinks in the swamp and you as a 5-year-old start crying because of that fucking horse.

yeah, that's just what i needed to be reminded of on a monday morning

Carl-E · « **Reply #20 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 05:52 »

Bleah. Neverending story might as well have been...

But yeah, it can be easy to get stuck in the quagire of self-pity. And you do want to slap someone around who's doing it, but mainly because we all have been there, and know how fucking stupid and unproductive it really is. You want to save them from themselves, and you can't, and it's frustrating and.. and... Dammit, just STOP IT!!

Oh. Sorry.

jwhouk · « **Reply #21 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 06:06 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 05 Apr 2010, 05:52

Bleah. Neverending story might as well have been...

But yeah, it can be easy to get stuck in the quagire of self-pity. And you do want to slap someone around who's doing it, but mainly because we all have been there, and know how fucking stupid and unproductive it really is. You want to save them from themselves, and you can't, and it's frustrating and.. and... Dammit, just STOP IT!!

Oh. Sorry.

Hanners, you left your Disinfectantbot 9000 on upstairs.

Border Reiver · « **Reply #22 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 06:07 »

So Jeph, how was the sweet potato and black pepper beer?

jwhouk · « **Reply #23 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 06:09 »

I think what's happening when Hanners has those "outbursts" (like in panel 3A), she's channeling her mom's domineering side. Her genuine concern for other people might be something that came from one of her nannies... or maybe Daddy Chatham is really just a big ol' softie?

wargrafix · « **Reply #24 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 06:27 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 05 Apr 2010, 05:19

Quote from: wargrafix on 05 Apr 2010, 02:00
hot damn, I hate when fiction parallels in real life.

I got rejected this weekend, on my birthday. And its was the horrible kind.

Sorry to hear that. Bt really, is there a non-horrible kind?

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On comic topic, hanners is going crtiical. Soon the entire cast of QC will be swallowed in the singularity of a hanners hole.

Hanners hole? Hmmm....

Nooo! ...must...fight...mental....image!!!

True, all kinds are horrible. But this rejection was so bad that I am convinced I was in a plan to see if a human can die from awkwardness.
Reality is she is going after a friend who she knows has a woman. lol, go figure.

lol...hanners hole says, "Resistance is futile, Human"

Note: unlike most forums the quote button is on the top right, I almost reported his post by mistake

kent_eh · « **Reply #25 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 06:30 »

Quote from: Tuitsuro on 05 Apr 2010, 04:28

Marigold's good at hating herself. She's had years of experience to know how to berate herself, and if you've ever dealt who's truely like Marigold then you know it's very hard to get them out of that mindset.

My wife has been suffering from Depression for about a year, or more.

No matter how hard you want/need to help them, there's not much you can truly do for them, other than:

-keep yourself from being destroyed. (despite your gut reaction, this is priority #1)
-Be supportive.
-try to minimize the collateral damage of their bad decisions.
-hope that they stick to their medications and eventually return to their old self ('cause it won't just go away on it's own)

AshiHalfangel · « **Reply #26 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 06:54 »

Hanners probably shouldn't yell at her like that, but also being all "Awwz poor widdle Mar Mar ish so saaaaaaad!" doesn't help either. Kinda need a healthy balance of being supportive, yet not in a way that babies them. Cause normally when I get depressed about something and everyone is all "aww poor you" makes me even more depressed. But when someone is like "Hey, that sucks and I feel really bad for you...but...*insert "wake the hell up, it's not all about you, but in a nice way" speech* then I'm able to break away from it and think, "Hey, it's not so bad when you really think about it."

fineout · « **Reply #27 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 08:48 »

i dont see why you guys blame hannelore for reacting like she did, people crying over something their own naivety created are annoying, and she clearly just explained why she is getting fed up. I had a girlfriend like that and dropper her like a bad habit because it annoyed the shit out of me.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #28 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 09:20 »

Hannelore is nowhere near having one of her She-Hulk moments. I mean the severity is nowhere near that level. She may be microseconds away from it, though.

What she's doing is the equivalent of Sven hitting Faye with a rolled-up magazine. It may not work.

The lifetime of persecution Marigirl endured leaves an invidious choice. The old saying is that "If twenty people call you a horse, buy a saddle". We're not wired to ignore the opinions of those around us, except for psychopaths. She could either have gone crazy or believed the abusers.

Apropos of nothing, I wonder if it means anything that all the late-night visitors picked "chocolate" in the poll and the later ones picked the more violent options.

carvin · « **Reply #29 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 09:30 »

A stern reaction when you are depressed and want pity is a bitter pill. I've taken enough pills in my life to know they often are the most useful (real and metaphorical).

Hanners is right. If nothing else she has every right to be mad. It's also what Marigold needs. Marigold needs to realize that Angus genuinely care about her. To the outside observer (us AND Hanners) it is obvious. To Marigold, well, she's never been in this place. She's probably never thought anyone 'liked' her before now at all, much less acted on it. General rejection is no where near 'true rejection' where there is some possibility of gain (in other words, the fact that she's been a social reject her whole life is not as harsh as being rejected by someone she thought might actually be romantically interested). She's essentially living what most people experienced in High School or at least College (the only people who avoid this are the people that have enough early success that they are mostly immune to later rejection). This undoubtedly is the hardest social issue she's had with a peer (and maybe more, but we don't know about her family life). But like I was saying, Marigold needs to realize that Angus still cares about her because he IS a friend. When Angus does get back in the picture, he needs to not say the "I'd like to still be friends" but "We are still friends". Perhaps some kind of honesty on his part as to why he rejected her. Honestly, I'd like to know that too... I mean, if I was him I'd be all over that like a teabagger on a dollar. Likely it's because he likes Faye. If it's something else, well, he needs to own up to it (he doesn't see any future in it, she's not 'attractive' to him... honestly, I can't think of anything else, and these are lame...).

tl;dr Carvin over analyzes things.

Shteevie · « **Reply #30 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 09:50 »

These are pretty believable reactions from the two characters involved. Marisob is used to less nuanced interactions between people, and Hannerita probably doesn't have much tolerance for non-pragmatism. Hopefully they can still be friends afterwards, because Marigold is going to need someone to help her move.

Quote from: Border Reiver on 05 Apr 2010, 06:07

So Jeph, how was the pepper beer.

Was wondering that myself. I tried a St. Bernardus Abt 12 for the first time this weekend, and I'm certain it won;t be the last.

Was the sweet potato / black pepper beer [which is weird even to type] good enough to recommend by name?

raoullefere · « **Reply #31 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 10:30 »

And once again, Hanners go boom! (as opposed to BOOM!). I can't say I blame her—as hard a time as Hannelore has trying to have a 'normal' life, to see someone whose only (apparent) problem is she sits in her room all day, who has the kind of friend Hanners had to taser to get (snerk), and who wants to sit around and wallow in her misfortune has to be irritating.

Quote from: carvin on 05 Apr 2010, 09:30

Honestly, I'd like to know that too... I mean, if I was him I'd be all over that like a teabagger on a dollar. Likely it's because he likes Faye. If it's something else, well, he needs to own up to it (he doesn't see any future in it, she's not 'attractive' to him... honestly, I can't think of anything else, and these are lame...).

From the info we've heard from Angus about his and Marigiold's relationship, I can see where Marigold as a romantic prospect has never crossed Angus' mind. My money is on him thinking of Marigold as a 'sister,' or, more likely, a 'kid' whom he really can't relate to. Though the fact that Faye seems to be thawing towards him can't be helping things.

Quote from: carvin on 05 Apr 2010, 09:30

tl;dr Carvin over analyzes things.

OH GOD, NO! Not over-analysis! Anything but that! That's the sign of, the sign of…

…me.

haikupoet · « **Reply #32 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 10:44 »

Marigold is so channeling me right now, except that i tend to think that lots of women tend to be interested so i assume they aren't.

Also, Marigold: you are not fat, you are zaftig. And you compare quite favorably to Faye. Also, you're not ugly, you're just sort of Italian-looking.

Lost Coastlines · « **Reply #33 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 11:07 »

Quote from: raoullefere on 05 Apr 2010, 10:30

And once again, Hanners go boom! (as opposed to BOOM!). I can't say I blame her—as hard a time as Hannelore has trying to have a 'normal' life, to see someone whose only (apparent) problem is she sits in her room all day, who has the kind of friend Hanners had to taser to get (snerk), and who wants to sit around and wallow in her misfortune has to be irritating.

That is her only problem. If Marigold really thinks she's fat, ugly and pathetic then she could do something about it. Instead she always chooses the easier option of hiding in her den of self-pity. Giving into that "woe is me" crap just creates a manipulative passive-aggressive monster. Good for Hannelore.

Moxie · « **Reply #34 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 11:25 »

Quote from: carvin on 05 Apr 2010, 09:30

Perhaps some kind of honesty on his part as to why he rejected her. Honestly, I'd like to know that too... I mean, if I was him I'd be all over that like a teabagger on a dollar. Likely it's because he likes Faye. If it's something else, well, he needs to own up to it (he doesn't see any future in it, she's not 'attractive' to him... honestly, I can't think of anything else, and these are lame...).

Why are those lame? If Angus isn't physically attracted to Marigold, that's not lame that's who he is. Just because he's not doesn't mean no one else is. If he doesn't see any future in it, why should he go for a relationship with her?

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #35 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 11:28 »

Anyone else impressed at how healthy Hanners is being?

This isn't her hesitant "erm" when Marten and Steve were talking about "friggin' women" (1103), and this isn't channeling her mother (1108 for a tough love situation, 1418 for dealing with Marigold). She is being assertive like a skilled normal person, saying in effect "here's the situation, here's what I'm trying to do, here's how you're making it difficult".

Marigirl has just run into one of the traps of being a shy person. Without a diversified group of friends who complement each other, a shy person can expect too many kinds of interaction out of the first friendly person they encounter. The shy person can even mistake friendship for romance if the genders and orientations line up.

She doesn't even have good support from her guild. Remember her complaining that all the social attention went to the members who posted slutty pictures?

Heliphyneau · « **Reply #36 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 13:54 »

The conversation/reactions between Hanners and Marigold make complete sense considering both of their emotional states and personalities. It's certainly gonna take Marigold more than a strip or two to 'get over' her disappointment. Hanners really is dealing with her OCD issues well -- maybe her concern for Marigold is providing enough of a focus for her to suppress her usual reactions (which likely doesn't fit the reality of OCD, but I can suspend a lil' disbelief for a good story). Maybe after Marbear's hangover is gone, Hanners can take her to karaoke to help her get over some shyness.

In the last panel, I really like the contrasts in expressions between Hannelore and Marigold vs the posters on the wall.

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 05 Apr 2010, 09:20

Apropos of nothing, I wonder if it means anything that all the late-night visitors picked "chocolate" in the poll and the later ones picked the more violent options.

Insomniacs seek comfort? Or perhaps creatures of the night are more innocuous than one might expect.

carvin · « **Reply #37 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 14:32 »

Quote from: Moxie on 05 Apr 2010, 11:25

Quote from: carvin on 05 Apr 2010, 09:30
Perhaps some kind of honesty on his part as to why he rejected her. Honestly, I'd like to know that too... I mean, if I was him I'd be all over that like a teabagger on a dollar. Likely it's because he likes Faye. If it's something else, well, he needs to own up to it (he doesn't see any future in it, she's not 'attractive' to him... honestly, I can't think of anything else, and these are lame...).

Why are those lame? If Angus isn't physically attracted to Marigold, that's not lame that's who he is. Just because he's not doesn't mean no one else is. If he doesn't see any future in it, why should he go for a relationship with her?

When faced with a situation where a girl was not what I expected (long distance, I was young) and not what I then thought was 'attractive'... I changed what I thought was attractive. A change that has lasted 10 years (not to mention, three relationships). I find the concept of rejecting a meaningful relationship because of someone not being attractive lame, to but it mildly. Then again, I have the same opinion when people would do the same because of gender... but that's another thing entirely. Besides, I remember now that he said she was pretty. I guess that's not the same as attractive, but I find it hard that one wouldn't stretch to the other.

As far as no future, it is in itself a good reason. The thing I think would be lame is that it's ridiculous. He's currently chasing a girl who isn't relationship stable, who doesn't necessarily have the ability to love him, there is nothing that would signal that they would be good together other than they enjoy arguing with each other (this isn't sarcasm; this is a good thing to have in a relationship. If you can enjoy the worst thing in a relationship, how bad can it get?). Marigold, on the other hand, seems perfectly capable of devotion, love (though she is likely naive of how love really works), has shown a desire to be flexible, whom he has been flexible with... I could go on.

tl;dr Carvin argues more than needed.

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From the info we've heard from Angus about his and Marigiold's relationship, I can see where Marigold as a romantic prospect has never crossed Angus' mind. My money is on him thinking of Marigold as a 'sister,' or, more likely, a 'kid' whom he really can't relate to. Though the fact that Faye seems to be thawing towards him can't be helping things.

I agree that he doesn't see her as such, but I would figure that a good part of that is because she's been so reserved and shy. And I certainly can see why when she threw herself at him that his reaction (other than 'Woo! Boobs!') was to say no: his reaction was to force himself not to do something he'd regret by processing as he always has. I would hope that after reflection he'd see the potential. I doubt that's what will happen, though.

I don't know if turning into you would be a bad thing... you at least have good taste in avatars.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #38 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 14:50 »

Is it an obsolete and abandoned cultural idea that getting involved with roommates is a bad idea? If people on the forum believe it, they're not mentioning it.

Kugai · « **Reply #39 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 14:54 »

Personally, I think Hanners and Marigold are actually more suited to each other than they recognise at this point. They are, in the broad terms, the antithesis of each other both personality wise as well as socially (despite her OCD Hanners does have a social life, more now since she met Marten, Faye and Dora). If the pair of them can get through this, and Hanners can get Marigold to come more out of her shell and actually start likeing herself more, I think the pair of them will actually be good for each other and could become good friends.

Whether anything else comes of that, time - and Jeph - will tell.

Carl-E · « **Reply #40 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 15:12 »

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 05 Apr 2010, 14:50

Is it an obsolete and abandoned cultural idea that getting involved with roommates is a bad idea? If people on the forum believe it, they're not mentioning it.

I believe, brother!

[shudders over a 30 year old memory that will haunt him till the day he dies]

Now, can I have an "AMEN!"?

Tuitsuro · « **Reply #41 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 15:21 »

Marigold is a classic INTP; I could maybe see Hannelore as an ESFJ, which would be the technical antithesis of an INTP, but I think she's probably more of an ENFJ or even an ENTJ.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #42 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 15:24 »

It's hard to get someone to like herself more.

sudamerican · « **Reply #43 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 15:38 »

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Apropos of nothing, I wonder if it means anything that all the late-night visitors picked "chocolate" in the poll and the later ones picked the more violent options.

My axe is made of chocolate. I use it to cut my bourbon pancakes.

JackFaerie · « **Reply #44 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 17:14 »

Not that Hannelore's reaction isn't understandable, but I think she's showing her OWN naivete there, and I disagree with whoever's saying the outburst is what Marigold needs. If this was Marigold's third day holed up on her bed? Then, yes. But it's been, what... an hour, two, since she woke up? Hannelore (and half of you, apparently) is going to have to learn that human emotions are also messy. Things DON'T get solved with a single pep speech, you can't cheer someone up just by being supportive sometimes, a hug and a shoulder pat aren't always all you need, and sometimes, although your effort is appreciated and necessary, in the moment, there's nothing you can really do. Life isn't the movies, people don't magically rebound.

Marigold is allowed a full day of feeling miserable if she wants it. She's dealing with a lot of things right now:

1) a hangover
2) the embarrassment of having been so physically forward with someone who wasn't interested
3) the embarrassment of having been so emotionally forward with someone who wasn't interested
4) the pain of the realization that her feelings are not returned, and the crumbling of castles in the sky
5) second-guessing herself on everything that would have lead her to think she had a chance
6) confronting the evidence, in hindsight now very apparent, that he was NEVER interested, and all that new embarrassment
7) wondering how she's going to face Angus now

And this is her first time with it all.

I think it makes sense that she'd need the better part of a day to process it before she can even begin to put on a "brave front."

To be honest, I'm kind of disgusted by everyone who's all "she should snap out if it." It is symptomatic of some of the worst things about modern modern instant-gratification culture. Sometimes, people should be allowed to FEEL. And they should be allowed to GRIEVE. And they shouldn't just have to push everything down and be "over it" and "move on" and be "okay" (because anything else makes us, the outsiders, uncomfortable!) all of the time.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #45 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 17:30 »

There's a relevant distinction between "I'm hurting" and "I'm stupid, ugly, fat, and pathetic". Hannelore isn't saying "snap out of it", she is saying that she can't stand Marigold hating on herself.

SleeperCylon · « **Reply #46 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 17:52 »

I don't think Angus is only hanging out with Marigold out of pity. I think he genuinely enjoys her company. Just, he's one of those suburban/television raised kids who set their romantic expectations way higher than their league.

Carl-E · « **Reply #47 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 19:51 »

Quote from: Tuitsuro on 05 Apr 2010, 15:21

Marigold is a classic INTP; I could maybe see Hannelore as an ESFJ, which would be the technical antithesis of an INTP, but I think she's probably more of an ENFJ or even an ENTJ.

Wait, what? Did you actually read these, in light of the characters? INTP isn't even close for Marigold. Just because she can fix a computer and is introverted does NOT make her INTP; She doesn't necessarily "value logic above all else". She's proven (several times) that she doesn't make decisions based on reason, but rather fear (and other emotions). The next to last paragraph is most telling;

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The INTP is usually very independent, unconventional, and original. They are not likely to place much value on traditional goals such as popularity and security. They usually have complex characters, and may tend to be restless and temperamental. They are strongly ingenious, and have unconventional thought patterns which allows them to analyze ideas in new ways. Consequently, a lot of scientific breakthroughs in the world have been made by the INTP.

This is SOOO not Marigold. She's a fan (so much for independent, unconventional, and original); she values traditional notions of pretty and popular WAY too much for her own good; she's neither restless nor temperamental, but rather was reasonably content with her online life (until Angus started drawing her out). It just doesn't fit!!!

I'm not going to take the time to refute the three you gave for Haners, but none of them fit any better. There are a few minor points in some of them that work in her character, like controlling her environment, but not enough to classify her as any one of these types. She is certainly not a "people person", as all of these suggest. Perhaps she could be, but her mental illness and the distortions that it forces on her life prevent that. Without the OCD issues, she may fall into one of those classes, but not the way she is now.

I have to be honest, I have serious issues with real psychology. And if I remember correctly, this Jungian classification system has been pretty well abandoned in practice, there are just too many personality types and too few boxes. But damn, stop spreading half understood misinterpretations, alright?

It might as well be fucking astrology!

Yeesh!

Tuitsuro · « **Reply #48 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 20:06 »

Wow. Way to take things waaaaay too seriously. Myers-Briggs is pretty much the businessman's astrology chart, it's not supposed to tell you how your personality works in minute detail. IIRC I took this test in a collegiate business class along with one which asked us to pick a personality trait based on the type of dessert we'd choose, given the option of 8. ( I chose lemon meringue, FYI. ) They don't honestly mean jack shit since a piece of paper can't tell you how you make decisions in life, but since we're talking about personalities I thought I'd bring something interesting to the table instead of just hanging around with my dick out trying to figure out how best to pair the OCD girl with the shut-in one.

But hey, if you disagree with my assessment of either Hannelore or Marigold, feel free to put yourself in their place and take the thing yourself.

Sorflakne · « **Reply #49 on:** 05 Apr 2010, 20:25 »

I'm an INTJ...apparently if enough of us got together, we could take over and rule the world. It's probably a good thing we're the rarest of the Myers-Briggs types and not prone to working with others.

Edit: Ah shit...I just took the test for the hell of it and I came out as an INTP...wtf is wrong with me??

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What's your favorite CoD secret menu item?

Author Topic: WCT April 5-9, 2010 (Read 61174 times)