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« Reply #400 on: 07 Mar 2011, 23:59 »

that one is a bit of a red herring, i think, since it's basically just standard operating procedure for npcs. i'm more concerned about environments feeling "sterile"
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« Reply #401 on: 08 Mar 2011, 09:45 »

Depends if its PC or not, and apparently it's a problem with the "shipped" versions, the reviewer's may have gotten different ones/ones with it already in.

That said, having watched different bits from DA2 it does seem to look rather cool.
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« Reply #402 on: 08 Mar 2011, 10:15 »

that one is a bit of a red herring, i think, since it's basically just standard operating procedure for npcs. i'm more concerned about environments feeling "sterile"
Watch this video of the Qunari camp and feel your fears allay as you marvel at the art design.
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« Reply #403 on: 08 Mar 2011, 11:20 »

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« Reply #404 on: 08 Mar 2011, 11:31 »

Inon Zur did that one, right?
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« Reply #405 on: 08 Mar 2011, 11:53 »

Yup. It's no surprise they got him to do it.
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« Reply #406 on: 08 Mar 2011, 12:27 »

Not a big Zur fan. I can't remember who did DA:O (might've been either Jack Wall or Sam Hulick working solo) but I've always been partial to Jeremy Soule. Seems like there's a bit of an industry backlash to him as of late due to his prolific ethic but as a de facto replacement Zur doesn't really hit the same highs Soule does (compare the theme of Fallout 3 to those of Morrowind / Skyrim)
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« Reply #407 on: 08 Mar 2011, 12:35 »

DA:O was done by Inon Zur, too.

Anyway, I think I'm going to be skipping this one.  Nothing I've read about it has excited me or gotten me hyped up for it in any way.  Which is a shame because I really enjoyed DA:O, despite its flaws.
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« Reply #408 on: 08 Mar 2011, 13:01 »

Huh, gotta give him props for the DA:O theme, which I thought was pretty evocative until Leilana sang an embarrassing rendition (or a similar song). Can't remember any other pieces, though.
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« Reply #409 on: 08 Mar 2011, 13:08 »

the leilana thing was so embarrassing
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« Reply #410 on: 08 Mar 2011, 15:23 »

Someone put up warning if/when this thread gets spoiler-y. I don't get the game till the 11th so I'm avoiding everything.

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« Reply #411 on: 08 Mar 2011, 15:42 »

the leilana thing was so embarrassing
I'm hoping Isabela breaks out a shanty in this one  8-)
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« Reply #412 on: 08 Mar 2011, 15:54 »

I tell you, no matter how attractive she is, if she breaks out a concertina we're through :P.

Anyway, the reviews seem to be coming in and (in general) people seem to like it, there are some who say it's not "originsey" enough and metacritic is at the moment being flooded by people from the bioware boards who hate it, but the general critical opinion is "good to excellent" something that I am more than happy with.
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« Reply #413 on: 08 Mar 2011, 16:12 »

G4TV: 3/5 (consoles only)

They seem to have switched things up from DA:O, in that the PC version is getting slightly lower scores than the console version instead of the other way around. I think IGN's score was something like 8.3 or 8.5 for consoles and 7.7 or thereabouts for PC.
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« Reply #414 on: 08 Mar 2011, 17:14 »

bought it today, will play a bit tonight, will let everyone know what i think
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« Reply #415 on: 08 Mar 2011, 17:41 »

Yeah, I much prefer Jeremy Soule over Inon Zur on any project that is meant to evoke exploration or real sense of space. He's just better at establishing a rhythm without beating you over the head with it. That lighter touch makes his stuff feel a lot more airy and atmospheric without just resorting to what is damn near white noise. Inon Zur isn't dogshit or anything, but over the years I've come to the conclusion that he makes the most sense for a project like Dawn of War. His most bombastic stuff is big loud and dumb... Just like Warhammer.
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« Reply #416 on: 08 Mar 2011, 18:25 »

Oh, and pretty cool thing - the PC version also works on Macs.
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« Reply #417 on: 08 Mar 2011, 19:25 »

Save game editor?


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« Reply #418 on: 08 Mar 2011, 20:36 »

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« Reply #419 on: 08 Mar 2011, 23:37 »

Ah, Jeremy Soule. Why does November have to be so far away?
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« Reply #420 on: 08 Mar 2011, 23:59 »

That is odd, PCgamer (the one in the UK) gave it quite a good score, saying that is was a good PC game as well as a good story. Still I guess I will find out on either Thursday or Friday.

Must admit, so many of the people are complaining about the combat being "too fast" or "not tactical enough" and its giving me a headache.
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« Reply #421 on: 09 Mar 2011, 00:05 »

So far what I and a lot of other people seem to be experiencing are flashbacks to the Orc Cave and Thief Mansion portions of Neverwinter Nights 2 (easily the worst parts of that game) - enemies come in waves (weak -> stronger -> bosses) and materialize out of thin air in weird places. The entire game apparently follows this format. I haven't gotten to the portion with rogue enemies, but everything I've heard points to it being a total nightmare, with unavoidable massive-damage backstabs ala the Thief Mansion.

I think a large part of it has to do with the level design, which has seen a really breathtaking regression from DA:O. Levels haven't been this small since Jade Empire, and there's not a lot of wiggle room to pull off anything other than *enter corridor, ambush from both sides* or *enter circle pit, ambush from all sides*
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« Reply #422 on: 09 Mar 2011, 00:17 »

Thats fine then, if you dislike that, you dislike it and god knows I don't mind it. I have no objection to criticism of this game, just a bit of a chip on my shoulder about the sheer amount of PC gamers who complain about how combat [not the enemies you fight, but combat in general] is now "dumbed down" for "console kiddies". Heck, I wouldn't even mind those criticisms if people didn't use those terms so much that it hurts.
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« Reply #423 on: 09 Mar 2011, 00:33 »

They seem to have switched things up from DA:O, in that the PC version is getting slightly lower scores than the console version instead of the other way around. I think IGN's score was something like 8.3 or 8.5 for consoles and 7.7 or thereabouts for PC.

Both PC and consoles scored 8.5 from IGN.

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« Reply #424 on: 09 Mar 2011, 00:36 »

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« Reply #425 on: 09 Mar 2011, 00:43 »

It would be fine if you could use controllers on the PC, but you can't.
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« Reply #426 on: 09 Mar 2011, 00:57 »

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« Reply #427 on: 09 Mar 2011, 01:20 »

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That's... debatable till we all turn blue in the face and die of angry fanboyism (asphyxiation).

That said 3rd person games generally benefit from gamepads like Arkham Asylum and Prototype. That's why I have a pad for my PC. You can use a pad for the PC version supposedly, but it won't work well, the PC version uses a completely different targeting system optimised for keyboard + mouse.
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« Reply #428 on: 09 Mar 2011, 02:06 »

I like the PC and my consoles, I just can't understand why people seem to have such a massive stick up their backside about what set of sparks and wiring you enjoy most.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the game, and whilst I know not everyone will enjoy it, I am glad that here at least we all seem to be able to have a civil conversation without resorting to murderous outrage and labryinthine conspiracy theories about EA.
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« Reply #429 on: 09 Mar 2011, 07:26 »


That's... debatable till we all turn blue in the face and die of angry fanboyism (asphyxiation).

I find it particularly suspect given that I felt compelled to adopt the supremely awkward claw method of holding a gamepad ages ago just to get around the whole "Can't properly use more than 2 buttons AND a stick per hand" problem. I do think pads are superior for many genres thanks to the sensitivity of sticks and the general virtue of being ad-hoc devices but at the same time there are also genres that I simply cannot imagine playing properly with a gamepad. In WoW, for example, I had in excess of 50+ commands mapped when you factored in alt, ctrl & spacebar modifiers and my 6 button mouse. Likewise Halo Wars featured some great problem solving on the part of the developers but at the same time the control setup can hardly be said to match what top Starcraft players are doing in terms of APM with a mouse & keyboard combo.

I guess what I'm tryiing to say here is don't be that guy with the blanket judgements on interfaces since it just kinda makes you sound like a tool.
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« Reply #430 on: 09 Mar 2011, 18:21 »

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I've been thinking back to see if I would've done anything that would have the game confused as to what the gender of my character is. The only thing I can *think* of is using the mirror in the black emporium (think that's the name) ... the mirror that allows you to change your appearance.

But anyway, I began noticing this as soon as I ran into Fenris, at least 3 or 4 times during his dialogue chain, I had an option to flirt with him, keeping in mind that my character is male.

Also, as previously stated, I just finished the quest to *spoiler . After doing so, I went to talk to Anders at his home base, and he was straight up hitting on me. When I shot him down, I gained 10 rivalry points with him, and now he's pretty much perma-pissed at me.

And, I have not had even ONE opportunity as of yet to flirt with a member of the opposite sex. Granted, the only ones I've got are Bethany (which doesn't/shouldn't count), Merril and Aveline. But out of the two that are not related, I've not had the option to flirt with either.

Now, this brings up a cotroversial topic, but I am not here to say that same-sex romance shouldn't be allowed for those who want to chase it ... but I most certainly do NOT want to ... and the game seems to be going out of it's way to practically force me into a same-sex relationship.

It comes off feeling somewhat on purpose ... alot like 'hey look! you can do same sex relationships! now! ... look! ... no seriously! we mean it! ... here, just incase you didn't believe us, here is ANOTHER opportunity!'

So yeah, I get it, it's possible, but perhaps you shouldn't make it feel like it's being shoved down my throat? ... figuratively speaking of course.

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« Reply #431 on: 09 Mar 2011, 19:50 »

update: okay i accidentally spent way more time playing this today than i meant to which is usually a sign that something was going right. the game is actually pretty fun but the environments do feel really, really empty, and i'm already starting to get sick of kirkwall.
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« Reply #432 on: 09 Mar 2011, 20:08 »

Yeah, I mean look at this:

It goes from pretty good on the left to pretty bad on the right. Like, a different floor texture would be good, even. It's way too empty.

I'm about 8 or 9 hours in and looking back on it, it's really quite noticeable how little dialog there is in this game compared to all other Bio games. I feel like it's stuck halfway between a full-on action game and an action RPG, and not in a good way. In the first 6 hours I talked to Aveline once, outside of quest stuff. That's unusual for Bioware.

Aside from the random teleport-spawning (which really does in your mages), combat gets marginally better as you advance levels and accumulate talents to use between DPS draining with your normal attack.

It's really unclear why they bothered including character stats in the game at all - it railroads you into exclusively pumping two stats associated with your class, because if you don't keep them high (dex+cun for rogues, str+con for fighters, int+will for mages) then you can't use new equipment. There are no exceptions to this. The skill trees, on the other hand, are pretty good.

Varric's the clear frontrunner in terms of the characters, but he doesn't have much competition. 5 years ago Merrill would've been fine with me but as it is I feel like she's nothing more than a less assertive, fantasy version of Tali (with some Aerie thrown in, given that she's the clear archetype being reheated). It is actively irritating me.
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« Reply #434 on: 09 Mar 2011, 21:51 »

Heads up, lots of bug reports for Isabela's joining quest. Roll your savegames so you'll have one from before you take it, just in case.
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« Reply #435 on: 09 Mar 2011, 21:51 »

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« Reply #436 on: 09 Mar 2011, 21:54 »

oh yeah, i forgot to mention: the character creator is one of the worst i've ever seen, all the black guys you can make just look like burnt white guys? i tried to make omar from the wire but he just came out like a toasted bruce willis
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« Reply #437 on: 09 Mar 2011, 21:55 »

I'm starting to think I'm just going to give this one a pass entirely. I've got a backlog of games I want to play anyway.
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« Reply #438 on: 09 Mar 2011, 21:59 »

Hawke looks bored.
The facial animation in this game is Alpha Protocol-esque (though the VA isn't nearly as good IMO). Varric's is alright, but he's got exaggerated features.

oh yeah, i forgot to mention: the character creator is one of the worst i've ever seen, all the black guys you can make just look like burnt white guys? i tried to make omar from the wire but he just came out like a toasted bruce willis
Remember that Isabela is supposed to be black, too.
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« Reply #439 on: 09 Mar 2011, 22:05 »

okay, what? it's the same isabela from the first game, isn't it? the one who was very much white?
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« Reply #440 on: 09 Mar 2011, 22:18 »

Lighting issue. If you pull her model in the editing program, she has brown skin. Still, ain't that brown if ambient lighting makes her white.

They did change her hair between games, I think. But that's probably the most negligible thing they retconned in this game.
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« Reply #441 on: 09 Mar 2011, 22:19 »

"lighting issue" is really mild
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« Reply #442 on: 09 Mar 2011, 23:22 »

At first I was really excited about getting this game because it seemed like they were taking a lot of steps in the right direction. Then every piece of footage and every single review I have seen have turned me off of it completely.

How much does this one play like an MMO? Because from what I've read it ranges from slightly to completely. 
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« Reply #443 on: 09 Mar 2011, 23:28 »

I hear this game is a bit backwards and likely shouldn't have been called Dragon Age 2, but more like Dragon Age: Refugee. Help me out here, because I deeply crave some Bioware storytellin' and immersin'.
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« Reply #444 on: 09 Mar 2011, 23:33 »

According to files (and art!) buried in the game's data folders, DA2 was originally called Dragon Age: Exodus. Why they changed it is anyone's guess. Using the old one would've solved a lot of problems. I'm guessing it has something to do with the ending...

How much does this one play like an MMO? Because from what I've read it ranges from slightly to completely.  
Having not played any MMOs, I can't speak to that, but the combat design apparently takes after it, what with the "tanking" and the "DPS" (though to be fair, New Vegas had DPS and it was a pretty sweet game).

"lighting issue" is really mild
There was some controversy around the time the game was first announced when the concept art for Isabela clearly showed her to be a woman of color, which is the first time people got weirded out by the discrepancy. That was compounded when CG promo art gave her clearly caucasian features. I think I posted about it sometime earlier in the thread's history and I believe people got butthurt. Bioware claimed that the company they farmed it out to made a mistake.

DA2's PR situation has been something like this for a long time, at least for some. Personally I think everything would have been fine had they put a muzzle on Gaider's Social account.
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« Reply #445 on: 09 Mar 2011, 23:38 »

But I think we can all probably agree that this feels like the cheapest game Bioware's made. It's weird because of all the aspects of the game there are some pretty advanced ones - the lighting engine is really powerful, and if you jack up the settings you need a really nice rig to run it without consistent framerate drops in the presence of light sources.
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« Reply #446 on: 10 Mar 2011, 09:11 »

i think it's just a bit of a clusterfuck. i don't see how it can be considered "rushed out the door" or anything, since it's been a couple of years since the first entry. it just feels like a game where wires got crossed almost everywhere across the line – aimless in a lot of ways.
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« Reply #447 on: 10 Mar 2011, 12:36 »

Well crap now I feel like a moron for preordering it.

I will just have to try it out tonight and see what's up.
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« Reply #448 on: 10 Mar 2011, 12:39 »

Check it out and see what you think. I wouldn't call the game a miserable failure, but it feels quite off. There are a lot of things that I can see people really enjoying, though.

I don't know, with all the overhauls they made, a production schedule of 2 or so years versus the 5-6 it took to make the first game can be pretty telling.

But yeah, it feels so weird, considering the high standard of polish Bio games are held to. DA:O's environments were often quite gorgeous, yet there has been nothing approaching that in DA2. And it's always kind of presumptuous to believe hype talk, but what the devs have said over the years seems to indicate that a lot of the problematic stuff was in fact deliberately implemented.
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« Reply #449 on: 10 Mar 2011, 13:14 »

Do you have any more options for the camera than in the demo? I will probably not buy this game ever if I can't scroll. Further. Fucking. Out. I like to see what's going on on the battlefield.
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