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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #400 on: 11 Jul 2010, 13:51 »

And now it's giving the Spanish a real chance to milk even the weakest challenges for free kicks.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #401 on: 11 Jul 2010, 13:56 »

SPAIN HAVE SCORED!

Thank god for that. I don't know whether I'm more pleased to see the Netherlands lose, or just to see this awful match end.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #402 on: 11 Jul 2010, 14:05 »

Nooo, if the Netherlands loses then everyone following Bobbi Eden on twitter won't get blowjobs!
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #403 on: 11 Jul 2010, 14:05 »

I am pretty happy to see that match end and glad that Holland didn't win because they placed disgraceful football; Johan Cruyff must be boiling over with rage at that performance.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #404 on: 11 Jul 2010, 14:11 »

Spain won fair and square, but neither of the yellow cards on Heitinga were valid and he shouldn't have been sent off.  That drop-kick should've been an instant red, though. 

That being said, I feel like the theatrics in general need to be taken down a notch. 
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #405 on: 11 Jul 2010, 14:12 »

What are you people on about? The Dutch played in a way which gave them the best possible chance to win, it was a world cup final, there's a lot more at stake than playing pretty football.
If you don't set out a combatative midfield then Xavi and Alonso take utter control of the game and pretty soon you find yourself a few goals down.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #406 on: 11 Jul 2010, 14:16 »

What are you people on about? The Dutch played in a way which gave them the best possible chance to win, it was a world cup final, there's a lot more at stake than playing pretty football.
If you don't set out a combatative midfield then Xavi and Alonso take utter control of the game and pretty soon you find yourself a few goals down.

I'm not saying it wasn't an effective approach. Hell, it took Spain until the 110th minute of the game to score a goal and but for some better finishing/worse goalkeeping the Netherlands could have won the match! But it was absolutely vile to watch, utterly unsporting, a betrayal of a very fine Dutch footballing tradition, and something that I in no way wish to see rewarded.

some completely bizarre refereeing decisions helped them along the way at the end.

Obviously there should have been a corner to the Netherlands instead of a goal-kick to Spain immediately before Spain's goal, and it was pretty hopeless of Howard Webb and co. to miss that, but I like to think that it's more than balanced out by the fact that the De Jong wasn't sent off for leading with the studs straight into a guy's chest.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #407 on: 11 Jul 2010, 14:16 »

Spain is the team that had three players drop simultaneously in a synchronized dive.

Neither team played dirtier than the other, they were both atrocious.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #408 on: 11 Jul 2010, 14:21 »

Spain won fair and square

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #409 on: 11 Jul 2010, 15:15 »

DAMN THAT OCTOPUS!
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #410 on: 11 Jul 2010, 17:00 »

Frankly, I came out of this final wishing the 3rd place match was the final instead and thinking Germany deserved this Cup more than either of the finalists.

But whatever, Germany didn't play up to snuff enough to get into the finals and Spain did take this one as fair as anyone can. This match was still a disgraceful game regardless and most of the fun was derived from seeing how many Dutch players could get a card before one was thrown off. The fact that it took until the second half of extra time was pretty impressive!
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #411 on: 11 Jul 2010, 18:36 »

The third-place game is always infinitely more entertaining than the final because both teams in the third-place play-off want to win it, but neither particularly cares if they lose.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #412 on: 12 Jul 2010, 00:33 »

I had to leave home at the 85th minute because I was working TV crew for a playoff soccer game for a regional pro league.

After all the World Cup games I've seen, I wasn't quite ready for a game score of 7-3 (home team won).

My general camera role was to try to keep a relatively tight shot on the ball with the immediate group of players (3 or 4), and man, is that a tough assignment (as opposed to the wide shot of most of one half or the other). The ball would shoot away from my screen, and it would take me a few moments to find the ball on the pitch and refocus on whatever new group was playing it.

It's always interesting seeing exactly how coverage of a particular sport comes together from the inside like that. Of course, we only had 4 cameras instead of 5 zillion, but that's still enough to capture the essence of what's going on, and provide additional angles for replays and closeups of players. A cool experience.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #413 on: 12 Jul 2010, 19:27 »

How will the World Cup impact South Africa economically? Odds are, it'll hurt pretty badly.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #414 on: 13 Jul 2010, 17:40 »

How will the World Cup impact South Africa economically? Odds are, it'll hurt pretty badly.

I think you might've missed the ten pages where it was pretty much agreed that quality of life South Africa has always sucked and probably will always suck
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #415 on: 13 Jul 2010, 19:07 »

Do you not think there might be some correlation between the quality of life in a country sucking, and that country's government choosing to spend vast quantities of money on a month-long sporting tournament instead of, say, housing and public health schemes?
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #416 on: 13 Jul 2010, 19:19 »

I think Patrick was merely alluding to the fact that the WC Finals were a continuation of a long history of international interference, astonishing financial mismanagement and desperate poverty.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #417 on: 13 Jul 2010, 21:19 »

Yeah the money that went on the WC probably wasn't going on public housing no matter what
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #418 on: 13 Jul 2010, 21:50 »

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« Reply #419 on: 13 Jul 2010, 21:59 »

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« Reply #420 on: 13 Jul 2010, 22:35 »

I'd like to say that for me about 25-50% of the entertainment value of the World Cup final came from the fact that anything played back on the tv broadcast was invariably put into slow motion.

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« Reply #421 on: 13 Jul 2010, 23:09 »

Yeah the money that went on the WC probably wasn't going on public housing no matter what

No, but it could have been. I'm trying to say that one of the reasons why so many countries/states/cities throughout the world are so fucked up is because their governments/councils prefer to spend public money on short-term, attention-grabbing big-ticket items such as sporting carnivals instead of less glamorous but more essential public services. It happened here in Melbourne earlier this year: the Premier of Victoria, John Brumby, announced that some obscene amount of money would go into adding a roof or something to the Melbourne Tennis Centre - meanwhile there are thousands of homeless people on the street, the public transport is steadily sliding towards a fiasco, and the housing market is out of control. The fact that money that gets spent on things like World Cups was not ever going to get spent on anything else isn't a justification - it's the actual problem.

Listen, I love the World Cup, I look forward to watching, but if FIFA really wants so badly to have this thing maybe they should just pay for it themselves instead of latching parasitically onto a new host country every four years.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #422 on: 13 Jul 2010, 23:41 »

Isn't the influx of tourism and commercialism supposed to yield an awful lot of money from world cups and olympic games for a country? Or is it impossible to break even on these kind of events?
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #423 on: 14 Jul 2010, 12:21 »

Yeah the money that went on the WC probably wasn't going on public housing no matter what

Exactly.

Also, what is the point in bitching to people who have no sway over the decisions of the South African government? None of my money goes to South African companies as it already stands, I have no intention to ever purchase a diamond for any reason (and not just because I don't plan on ever getting married), I don't have a vote in their elections, and I don't have an army with which to dismantle the current ruling power there.

While I'm not disagreeing with your principles, Khar, your demonstration is, in effect, falling on deaf ears.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #424 on: 14 Jul 2010, 12:40 »

Do you, in any way, hold any power over the decisions of the South African government in regards to the treatment of their people?
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« Reply #425 on: 14 Jul 2010, 13:06 »

I'd say that we all do, in the collective. If we as citizens put sufficient pressure on our representatives, they in turn will be forced to put pressure on other governments. The reason that governments spend a lot of time talking about education, health and taxes in their own country is because that's what they know the voters care about. If they knew that the voters also cared sufficiently about the same issues in other countries to vote on that basis, they'd sit up and listen.

That's the theory anyway.
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« Reply #426 on: 14 Jul 2010, 13:51 »

Isn't the influx of tourism and commercialism supposed to yield an awful lot of money from world cups and olympic games for a country? Or is it impossible to break even on these kind of events?
The justification for them is that they do, and to that end private businesses like to fund ventures they otherwise couldn't begin to afford with taxpayer money under the guise of "economic expansion", since they're supposed to boost tax revenue and pay for themselves. The amount of money that's extorted from states and cities in the US from major league teams that want new stadiums is pretty staggering. I did some research on the last time the Broncos threatened to leave Denver after their back-to-back Superbowls if they didn't get a new stadium. Third-party research found that tax revenues stayed pretty much the same (actually dropped slightly as I recall) and taxpayers were left with the bill and a team that all of a sudden couldn't make it to the playoffs. But it keeps on happening because people love sports and the threat of losing it in their cities is significant for them. Just last year in CO we spent dozens of millions of dollars to build a fuckin' NASCAR track, and CO is in the toilet financially, as are most of the states. Corporate welfare at its finest.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #427 on: 14 Jul 2010, 20:47 »

Not saying that we shouldn't have rage folks, just that directing that rage at FIFA for accepting the government of South Africa's money as opposed to the actual government of South Africa is maybe a bit wayward? There seems to be a lot of people here who get that but suggesting that the World Cup should not exist because someone might go and spend a bunch of money that might (but actually really won't) be used for more altruistic purposes is needless distraction.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #428 on: 15 Jul 2010, 11:17 »

Do you, in any way, hold any power over the decisions of the South African government in regards to the treatment of their people?

...yes?

Alright. Then boycott China, and boycott just about every other nation in Africa, and boycott Turkey, and boycott Israel and every country within 500 miles of it, and boycott Russia, and boycott Serbia, and boycott every country with any Roma people in it since they all get treated like shit and the government doesn't care.

Just so we don't set any double standards here.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #429 on: 15 Jul 2010, 11:30 »

no offense patrick but is there anything at all in your worldview that isn't completely hopeless
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« Reply #430 on: 15 Jul 2010, 11:40 »

Not a thing
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« Reply #431 on: 15 Jul 2010, 12:11 »

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"You know, when I was a young man, hypocrisy was deemed the worst of
vices," Finkle-McGraw said. "It was all because of moral relativism. You see,
in that sort of a climate, you are not allowed to criticise others-after all,
if there is no absolute right and wrong, then what grounds is there for
criticism?"

Finkle-McGraw paused, knowing that he had the full attention of his
audience, and began to withdraw a calabash pipe and various related supplies
and implements from his pockets. As he continued, he charged the calabash
with a blend of leather-brown tobacco so redolent that it made Hackworth’s
mouth water. He was tempted to spoon some of it into his mouth.

"Now, this led to a good deal of general frustration, for people are
naturally censorious and love nothing better than to criticise others’
shortcomings. And so it was that they seized on hypocrisy and elevated it
from a ubiquitous peccadillo into the monarch of all vices. For, you see,
even if there is no right and wrong, you can find grounds to criticise
another person by contrasting what he has espoused with what he has actually
done. In this case, you are not making any judgment whatsoever as to the
correctness of his views or the morality of his behaviour-you are merely
pointing out that he has said one thing and done another. Virtually all
political discourse in the days of my youth was devoted to the ferreting out
of hypocrisy.

"You wouldn’t believe the things they said about the original Victorians.
Calling someone a Victorian in those days was almost like calling them a
fascist or a Nazi."

Both Hackworth and Major Napier were dumbfounded. "Your Grace!" Napier
exdaimed. "I was naturally aware that their moral stance was radically
different from ours- but I am astonished to be informed that they actually
condemned the first Victorians."

"Of course they did," Finkle-McGraw said.

"Because the first Victorians were hypocrites," Hackworth said, getting it.
Finkle-McGraw beamed upon Hackworth like a master upon his favored pupil.
"As you can see, Major Napier, my estimate of Mr. Hackworth’s mental acuity
was not ill-founded."

"While I would never have supposed otherwise, Your Grace," Major Napier
said, "it is nonetheless gratifying to have seen a demonstration." Napier
raised his glass in Hackworth’s direction.

"Because they were hypocrites," Finkle-McGraw said, after igniting his
calabash and shooting a few tremendous fountains of smoke into the air, "the
Victorians were despised in the late twentieth century. Many of the persons
who held such opinions were, of course, guilty of the most nefandous conduct
themselves, and yet saw no paradox in holding such views because they were
not hypocrites themselves-they took no moral stances and lived by none."

"So they were morally superior to the Victorians-" Major Napier said, still
a bit snowed under.

 "-even though-in fact, because-they had no morals at all." There was a
moment of silent, bewildered head-shaking around the copper table.
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« Reply #432 on: 15 Jul 2010, 19:01 »

I'm saying that unless you're actually going to organize a protest, what's the point in complaining about it to a web forum where you are most likely not going to find anybody motivated enough to do it themselves?

I'm not saying that nobody on here is motivated enough to do anything about it. People are motivated enough to complain about it to their friends, that's what I see happening here. I'm saying that realistically, who is going to actually do anything that will actually help the situation? May's got the right idea here:

I'd say that we all do, in the collective. If we as citizens put sufficient pressure on our representatives, they in turn will be forced to put pressure on other governments. The reason that governments spend a lot of time talking about education, health and taxes in their own country is because that's what they know the voters care about. If they knew that the voters also cared sufficiently about the same issues in other countries to vote on that basis, they'd sit up and listen.

That's the theory anyway.

But out of everyone who reads that post, let's realistically assess the number of people who are going to do this.
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« Reply #433 on: 16 Jul 2010, 14:36 »

I'm not saying you should dedicate your life to hating the World Cup just for the sake of validating the discussion here. I'm saying that it's ineffective at best.
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« Reply #434 on: 16 Jul 2010, 15:34 »

I'm not defending South Africa's actions at all, and yeah, that sounds plenty reasonable. I'm just saying, talking about it on the internet clearly isn't enough to keep South Africa from being dicks to their own people. They bulldozed homes to build stadiums and they put 'undesirables' into concentration camps. I understand that and I disagree with this practice.

I'm just saying that going onto an internet message board, saying "South Africa are dicks!  :x" and agreeing with each other clearly isn't enough. It still doesn't change the fact that statistically speaking, girls getting raped is more likely to happen than girls learning how to read. It doesn't change the fact that statistically speaking, 1 in 4 South African men has committed rape. It doesn't change the fact that out of those, half have raped more than twice.

Find me a sitting member of South African government who gives a fuck what the world has to say, and I personally guarantee you will receive a hen with teeth in the post within the week. Same goes for finding me a sitting member of the South African government who doesn't get bribed on the daily.
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« Reply #435 on: 16 Jul 2010, 15:41 »

By the same token, discussing how a football match went, or how bad a refereeing decision was, or who should win the tournament, or what a dick a certain player is, does absolutely nothing to change the outcome and yet people, including you and I, still do it! You're returning to the argument that "talking about shit ain't never gonna change nothin'!" which Jens has already pretty convincingly countered by pointing out that no one thinks it is going to change anything, beyond perhaps a few people's minds. But that's cool, because that is the spirit in which most people are entering into the conversation. You are the only one insisting that it's just not good enough.
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« Reply #436 on: 16 Jul 2010, 15:42 »

I hope for ideals to be realized and am constantly disappointed, forgive me.
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« Reply #437 on: 16 Jul 2010, 15:44 »

But the point is that open and frank discussion is pretty important to the development of ideals, like Jens said, we cannot all be protesting on the streets all the time. In fact, I feel like I am just repeating everything Jens said because you seem to be wilfully ignoring it.
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"MY SON JUST WANTED TO COME LIKE A THUNDERSTORM"
"AND YOU ROBBED HIM OF HIS LIFE"
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