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I want to talk about coffee.
« on: 10 Oct 2010, 19:35 »

So, according to the search, there hasn't been a coffee thread in like, years.  I want to talk about coffee so I'm making one.

I like coffee, guys.  But, like many people, I'm a sorta-broke-ish college student.  This means no $1000 espresso machines in my apartment.  It also means no daily $5 coffee drinks from local places.   I am by no means a super coffee snob but I will say I haven't drunk any Folgers in, like, 5 years, sooo....

So yeah.  I have been using a cheap $20 blade "grinder" and an aeropress to make my coffee.  The aeropress website is pretty hyperbolic but it is pretty inexpensive and makes a darn good cup of coffee, if you ask me.  I've got a hand-cranked burr grinder on the way to me so I can elevate my coffeenerdness by a little bit.

What kind of coffee am I drinking?  I'm so glad you asked!  I happen to be blessed with a pretty good local roastery and I usually go with them.  Obviously I'm rocking whole-bean and grinding my own.  I've also been recommended this stuff and I have some on the way to me. 

ADDITIONS!  I usually take a little sugar and nothing else, but I've just started out on the paleo diet (as part of a nutrition challenge my local crossfit gym is doing, which is a whole 'nother thread) so now I'm drinking it just black.  I also have a few flavored syrups that I've used to make those sugary sweet Starbucks-style drinks.  Ask me about my coffee price spreadsheet showing how much money I save by making my own drinks instead of buying them from coffee shops!

SO.  Coffee.  What do you like, where do you get it, what are you making it with, what do you put in it?  Do you miss sleeping?

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #1 on: 10 Oct 2010, 19:39 »

$5 coffee drinks from local places.

Holy shit! Please tell me that's for some grotesquely enormous American-sized cup because here in Australia $3.50 has really only very recently become an accepted standard price for coffee.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #2 on: 10 Oct 2010, 19:50 »

yeah I haven't paid more than $3 for a cup of coffee in ever
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #3 on: 10 Oct 2010, 19:53 »

A medium mocha-latte-whatever from the Starbucks in my town is $4.  An extra shot is $0.75, and if you go large it gets worse.

So yeah it's for the uber-huge-Amurrica sized ones.

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #4 on: 10 Oct 2010, 20:04 »

I think he means like, fancy expensive Starbucks drinks. Those are pricey. Also huge.

I stopped drinking/caring about coffee when I stopped working as a barista. I can't afford to buy it every day and I can't be bothered making my own. However, I still LOVE the taste and smell of coffee. But: now that I don't drink six shots of espresso every day, I have developed a sort of intolerance to it and can't actually drink coffee without feeling sick. This is no fun, but I do enjoy a sip or two of ambrosia when my boyfriend is drinking it. It makes it that much more special maybe?

Anyway, despite being a pretty good barista at a highly rated Sydney espresso bar, I'm not that much of a coffee snob. I'm just as happy with professional or home stove-top espresso as I am with plunger (French press) or percolator (drip) coffee, although the latter two are quite hard to find in Australia. (My boss, a champion barista, even drank Moccona instant at home.)

I don't like flavoured syrups but I do enjoy milk coffees, lattes or macchiatos being my preference, with a tiny smidgen (half a teaspoon maybe?) of sugar.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #5 on: 10 Oct 2010, 23:35 »

I never go out for coffee unless it's at a restaurant I'm already eating at, because I'm too cheap and lazy to run to Dunkin', Cumberland Farms, or Timmy's every day. I mix 4 tablespoons Chase and Sanborn with 2 tablespoons Don Francesco's (vanilla hazlenut something-or-other) and let it percolate. (For that extra hint of cheapness, use a paper towel instead of a real coffee filter.)

The supermarket I go to has free coffee, but the little tubs of creamer usually sit out too long and the machine is set slightly cooler than the melting temperature of those styrofoam cups. :(

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #6 on: 11 Oct 2010, 01:43 »

i agree with the former Barista in that i dont drink coffee much anymore since i left that line of work. I will partake in an occasional cup of chai tea every now and again though. As as former Barista and coffee snob i have to admit the best way to brew coffee is by using a coffee press
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #7 on: 11 Oct 2010, 02:13 »

Quite right, though filter comes close (use paper filters, which absorb the cholesterol-raising compound cafestol, so leaving you with the healthiest coffee you can have).

I am drinking coffee right now.  As I am at work, it is made with a coffee bag (like a tea bag, but with ground coffee in it).  I prefer the green box (original blend), but recently my local store has only had the red (high roast) and orange (mild blend) boxes - boo.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #8 on: 11 Oct 2010, 03:51 »

When I am making coffee at home in the morning I'll grind it fresh in my conical burr grinder then pack it into my moka pot and then heat up some milk and froth it a little.  I'll usually have a cappuccino in the morning, then make a piccolo or a macchiato later in the day on weekends.  I need to learn how to steam milk properly though, because at the moment I just use a milkshake maker to froth the already-heated milk slightly, which is ok but not quite as good.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #9 on: 11 Oct 2010, 05:54 »

What I do is I take a jar of Marks and Spencers instant coffee (The gold one). Then I lovingly remove the lid with a clockwise turning motion of my right hand. Meanwhile, I have set my kettle to boil (remembering to only boil enough for one cup so I can SAVE THE PLANET!). I gently shake a rough amount of coffee powder into a mug, then seal the coffee jar again. Then I carefully drizzle boiling water on it until it turns into actually a real nice cup of coffee. And it only takes minutes! And I can get about a hundred cups for $5.

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #10 on: 11 Oct 2010, 06:04 »

Yes, a terrifying post-apocalyptic wasteland where the surving rabble have to fight tooth and nail for their coffee in whatever grim and meagre form they can find it.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #11 on: 11 Oct 2010, 06:18 »

What I do is I take a jar of Marks and Spencers instant coffee (The gold one). Then I lovingly remove the lid with a clockwise turning motion of my right hand. Meanwhile, I have set my kettle to boil (remembering to only boil enough for one cup so I can SAVE THE PLANET!). I gently shake a rough amount of coffee powder into a mug, then seal the coffee jar again. Then I carefully drizzle boiling water on it until it turns into actually a real nice cup of coffee. And it only takes minutes! And I can get about a hundred cups for $5.

It's like living in the future.

Marks and Spencer's? It has to be


The process is the same though.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #12 on: 11 Oct 2010, 08:37 »

No!

M&S!

I will defend my middle England tastes to the death!


On the subject of instant coffee versus everything else, I've tried a variety of things. Indeed somewhere in boxes at my parents house I own a percolator, a stovetop espresso kit (I won it in a pub quiz: I hate espresso) and even a friggin' Senseo machine. Home-made percolator coffee is probably the nicest BUT when you take into account the extra mess and expense what seems to my palette to be only a slight improvement in taste doesn't really warrant it. I don't know of part of this has to do with the fact that I only ever drink coffee black (occasionally once in a blue moon if it is a bad morning and I need a kick up the arse some demerara sugar) and thus don't experience much complexity to the flavour that comea with being mixed? I know I need some sort of balance to the bitterness, because I dislike espresso and by extension americano: I hate getting coffee out because pretty much everywhere does americano now rather than filter coffee, and I can taste the difference, but drinking reasonable instant coffee never seems 'grim and meagre' to me. I don't think I'm really snobbish about any of the traditional snob foods/beverages, except maybe beer.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #13 on: 11 Oct 2010, 08:50 »

Sadly, coffee and beer are the two things in life I let myself be fairly snobby about. I don't drink Folgers or the other big name roasters. I don't use a drip machine for coffee (French press or Chemex is mostly what I go for) and I really prefer to grind my beans fresh before every cup I make. None of this beans roasted two weeks ago and ground last week business. I buy most of my coffee beans from here: http://www.smallworldcoffee.com/ and here: http://www.rojosroastery.com/. Both are also good for a cup of coffee as well but my favorite place to go for that is here (assuming I'm in the city of course): http://www.kaffe1668.com/. They have amazing coffee, each cup brewed to order, four or five single-origin roasts to choose from everyday. Great stuff! I'm a big espresso fan too but tend to just drink shots, not lattes or cappuccinos most of the time. Also: black coffee almost exclusively. Sometimes a touch of skim. Never sugar.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #14 on: 11 Oct 2010, 10:49 »

I actually got one of those Senseo machines for free from an internet deal, years back.  It made pretty OK coffee but my model was really really loud, to the point of annoyance, and also the whole cost per cup thing, what with the pods, discouraged me.  Plus it took up valuable counter space!

Thoughts on the Starbucks instant stuff?  I thought it was pretty good by instant standards, but if I'm in a place where I have access to good hot water I probably will be able to make a real cup of coffee.  On that note their cold brew instant was yuck, but maybe I'm weird.

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #15 on: 11 Oct 2010, 11:51 »

Anything mentioned here, even M+S instant coffee, is better than the coffee that comes out of office vending machines.

Coffee should never taste like badger.
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« Reply #16 on: 11 Oct 2010, 11:53 »

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #17 on: 11 Oct 2010, 11:56 »

Folgers coffee?  I love driving by their plant.  The entire street smells of coffee.  Too bad they're closing it down in a few years.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #18 on: 11 Oct 2010, 13:01 »

Well, im not that snobby about coffee, but lets just say that i love my stepdad for getting a new coffeemaker, and donating the "old" machine to me. Freshly ground beans, espresso, cappucino, its awesome!

The one big massive downside to it all, is that that first cup of coffee on monday at work is just horrid.
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« Reply #19 on: 11 Oct 2010, 15:17 »

Coffee, milk, two sugars please  :D

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #20 on: 11 Oct 2010, 15:23 »

i agree with the former Barista in that i dont drink coffee much anymore since i left that line of work. I will partake in an occasional cup of chai tea every now and again though. As as former Barista and coffee snob i have to admit the best way to brew coffee is by using a coffee press

I quit drinking coffee when I left Starbucks. I was just burned out on it. Haven't had a cup since the beginning of the year. Tea though..I drink a metric shittonne of tea.


Thoughts on the Starbucks instant stuff?

We all thought it sucked compared to the normal stuff.
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« Reply #21 on: 11 Oct 2010, 15:40 »

I don't know of part of this has to do with the fact that I only ever drink coffee black (occasionally once in a blue moon if it is a bad morning and I need a kick up the arse some demerara sugar) and thus don't experience much complexity to the flavour that comea with being mixed?

Normally I'm disgustingly snobbish about putting sugar in coffee and tea, but if you're drinking a shot of espresso it's traditional to put just a little bit of sugar in to cut the bitterness and bring out the flavour of the coffee. Go to Italy if you don't believe me!

Also in Italy they like to put a shot of grappa in their shot of espresso if they're drinking it at night. They call it a caffe corretto: a "corrected" coffee. Of course, in Italy they've got cheap and easy access to grappa that you'd actually want to drink.
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« Reply #22 on: 11 Oct 2010, 15:45 »

I've always wanted to try grappa. Rumor has it my great-grandfather made it back in the day. Too bad he died a few months before I was born.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #23 on: 11 Oct 2010, 16:06 »

i have a grinder and a cheap little one person drip coffeemaker, but i've been considering upgrading to a percolator or press now that i've gotten into the habit of drinking my coffee black and have been noticing and enjoying the taste a lot more. it seems a worthy investment since i drink a cup of coffee literally every single morning. i get all my coffee from salt spring coffee in downtown vancouver and it's a really long journey considering i have a grocery store just up the street from me but i do it anyway, it's worth it because of ethics (and also because their coffee is really god dang good).
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #24 on: 11 Oct 2010, 16:09 »

I have coffee beans from Cuba. It's not necessarily better than other coffee, but it is more awesome because it is from Cuba.

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #25 on: 11 Oct 2010, 16:17 »

I only ever buy normal filter coffee these days, in a metal cup that gets me twice as much in a cup for the same price. This is at uni. Black coffee has always been the thing, but black, a bit old coffee tasting of metal is more of a ritual than anything that tastes good.

Also, I can't get down black coffee with any milk in it, and I dislike latte pretty heavily. I used to drink mocha a lot when I was a wee boy, but now I just buy hot chocolate if I want something sweet.
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« Reply #26 on: 11 Oct 2010, 16:50 »

I have coffee beans from Cuba. It's not necessarily better than other coffee, but it is more awesome because it is from Cuba.

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« Reply #27 on: 11 Oct 2010, 17:03 »

You're at UiO?

UiB, I think? We get those metal cups at NTNU as well (don't think they're bigger, but using your metal cup instead of paper ones gets you a discount on the coffee), but I'm not a fan of coffee.

I'm really not a fan of warm beverages in general, which people give me weird looks for. I'll drink some hot chocolate or latte once in a while, and can drink coffee if I "have to", but I greatly prefer not to. I wish liking coffee wouldn't be associated with being an adult. I enjoy iced coffee, though, even when it was basically cold coffee with something sweet added like at one place in Japan.
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« Reply #28 on: 11 Oct 2010, 17:24 »

I work at a cafe! We use Toby's Estate coffee, which apparently is pretty good? I find it a bit bitter compared to some other, sweeter coffees that I have had at other places. At work is probably the only time I drink coffee, and rarely at that, so I am pretty clueless when it comes down to it. Normally I get mochas (because I like the chocolate/coffee combination), but lately I have been just making lattes and chucking two sugars in it because it is easier.

On that note, I have been trying to relearn how to make coffees in an attempt to makes them well this time around. They are all looking very nice, and the shots are a good colour with lots of crema and all that jazz, but everyone who I have wrangled into being one of my guinea pigs says that the coffee has been a bit bitter (compared to the coffees that the other baristas make, I guess) and I can't work out how to make it less bitter! I have been experimenting with tamping at the moment, seeing if that helps, but I really haven't been able to notice any difference. The other baristas have been self-taught, so they can't really help me either. Any suggestions as to fix this? I would like to be able to make nice coffees, even if I don't drink it very often.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #29 on: 11 Oct 2010, 17:42 »

It can be a thing with tamping. If you tamp too hard the water has to stay in the group for longer as it forces its way through, hence bitter coffee. You want to tamp it hard enough that it stays in the group handle when you turn it upside down, but not so hard that when you dump the grounds, it needs more than one moderate tap to free them. Usually I would do two flicks of coffee, tamp lightly, do one more flick, tamp lightly again. I only ever used handles that were two-shot capacity but maybe you have one that is a one-shot capacity, so just one flick, tamp, one flick, tamp would be good then I guess?
Also a good rule for pouring is the 30 second rule. If you press the go button on the espresso machine you want the coffee to be all out and beautiful in under 30 seconds I think? Again I've always used one with a manual switch but if you have one with set shots that turns itself off when it's done, that would be easier, but maybe use the manual override to stop the pour if you think it might be too long.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #30 on: 11 Oct 2010, 18:05 »

As far as pure coffee goes, nothing will ever beat a carafe with a gold mesh filter. I will admit, I really love this Keurig brewer somebody bought me a few years ago simply because of the Green Mountain Coffee brand that makes k-Cups for it. I'd kill to figure out an equivalent roast of the "Double Black Diamond" blend they have.
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« Reply #31 on: 11 Oct 2010, 18:11 »

Yeah, I remember learning the 30 second rule, and I know the technical aspect to the whole thing, I just can't seem to get it right! I guess more practice and experimentation is the way to go.
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« Reply #32 on: 11 Oct 2010, 22:30 »

I actually prefer Filter Coffee, but if I can't get that I'll go for a Flat White, or use Instant at home simply because it's quicker to make
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #33 on: 11 Oct 2010, 23:06 »

I like to act like I'm a coffee snob but I'll drink practically anything, as evidenced by the gallons of service station coffee I've poured down my gullet since being in the States. I also don't see anything wrong with Folgers via Mr Coffee. I'm actually pretty keen on getting a drip filter machine once I settle down somewhere, as the idea of gigantic boiling pots of coffee waiting for me when I wake up every morning makes me quite happy, indeed. I'd probably grind my own beans and such, however, so as to maintain at least a little cred.

I do sadly lament the fact that I can't get a flat white over here though. Especially seeing as I AM enough of a snob to not drink cappuccinos after breakfast.

And Starbucks does have decently priced plain-old black coffee but it's almost inconceivably mediocre, even to this uncouth lout. Objectively, Tim Horton's isn't any better, but for some reason their mediocrity seems charming so I love them nonetheless. Seriously, fucking <3 Timmys
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« Reply #34 on: 12 Oct 2010, 04:05 »

okay somebody explain to me why cappuccinos are not a post-breakfast thing. i mean, i find that i enjoy cappuccinos best on like, dark cold afternoons, not breakfast. have i been doing it wrong this entire time?
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« Reply #35 on: 12 Oct 2010, 04:07 »

News to me.  Drink them when you fancy, like I do.
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« Reply #36 on: 12 Oct 2010, 05:07 »

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« Reply #37 on: 12 Oct 2010, 08:41 »

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #38 on: 12 Oct 2010, 10:25 »

Coffee tastes like shit.

Oh yeah, well...well....YOU taste like shit!

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #39 on: 12 Oct 2010, 10:53 »

okay somebody explain to me why cappuccinos are not a post-breakfast thing. i mean, i find that i enjoy cappuccinos best on like, dark cold afternoons, not breakfast. have i been doing it wrong this entire time?

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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #40 on: 12 Oct 2010, 10:56 »

What I do is I take a jar of Marks and Spencers instant coffee (The gold one). Then I lovingly remove the lid with a clockwise turning motion of my right hand. Meanwhile, I have set my kettle to boil (remembering to only boil enough for one cup so I can SAVE THE PLANET!). I gently shake a rough amount of coffee powder into a mug, then seal the coffee jar again. Then I carefully drizzle boiling water on it until it turns into actually a real nice cup of coffee. And it only takes minutes! And I can get about a hundred cups for $5.

It's like living in the future.

This reads in Jeremy Clarkson's voice really well.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #41 on: 12 Oct 2010, 11:23 »

Everything does, Jordan.

Everything.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #42 on: 12 Oct 2010, 11:27 »

The most tasty coffee.... in the wooorrrllllddd
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #43 on: 12 Oct 2010, 11:31 »

What I do is I take a jar of Marks and Spencers instant coffee (The gold one). Then I lovingly remove the lid with a clockwise turning motion of my right hand. Meanwhile, I have set my kettle to boil (remembering to only boil enough for one cup so I can SAVE THE PLANET!). I gently shake a rough amount of coffee powder into a mug, then seal the coffee jar again. Then I carefully drizzle boiling water on it until it turns into actually a real nice cup of coffee. And it only takes minutes! And I can get about a hundred cups for $5.

It's like living in the future.

This reads in Jeremy Clarkson's voice really well.

I'm pretty sure that's a good enough reason for Khar to murder you.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #44 on: 12 Oct 2010, 12:07 »

And on that bombshell - goodnight.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #45 on: 12 Oct 2010, 12:40 »

Sometimes I forget that you aren't a native English speaker, Jens. Your English really is great. But then you mix up "horrible" and "hilarious" and I get confused until I remember why.

I prefer caffeinated soft drinks to coffee, but if there is coffee already and I need to wake up, I'll put a little coffee in my cup of sugar. I also like mochas and the gas station cappuccinos, i tend to prefer the sweeter stuff. I have found some good-tasting drip coffee, but never good tasting enough that I can stand drinking it without sugar.
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #46 on: 12 Oct 2010, 21:17 »

Coffee thread, you've made me realize that stovetop espresso machines and handheld milk-frothing devices are relatively inexpensive.  I was sure that espresso at home was beyond my limited means!

You will pay for this!  :x

(I mean I.  I will pay for this.  And then hopefully enjoy delicious espresso at home for significantly less per cup than espresso bars charge.)
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #47 on: 12 Oct 2010, 21:49 »

Coffee tastes like shit.

Expect the lynch mob shortly
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #48 on: 13 Oct 2010, 03:18 »

The fact that Jeremy Clarkson is occasionally amusing isn't an argument against the fact that he's a bastard. You will quickly realise this if you round out your view of Jeremy Clarkson by reading his newspaper columns, as well as just watching Top Gear and QI. There's a fine line that divides being controversial from simply tasteless, and a fine line that divides being interesting from being a boorish, tendentious arsehole, and Clarkson is more often on the bad sides of these lines than the good sides. Most of it comes down to his monstrous tory arrogance and the way he carries it off. I think it's fair enough to guess that Ozy made the Clarkson comparison as a snide way of decrying my fairly undemanding taste in coffee as priggish, boorish, unreconstructed, reactionary, middle class, witless, ugly and distasteful to civilized man. Which would indicate that socioculturally, drinking coffee which takes longer to prepare and is more expensive is judged as a sign of sophistication, which casts us back to a rather baroque view of taste, don't you think?
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Re: I want to talk about coffee.
« Reply #49 on: 13 Oct 2010, 03:27 »

If I hated people because I disagreed with them politically on some points, I wouldn't have time to do anything else.

And I find it funny you mention the line between controversial and tasteless, after making a joke about punching nuns before going to vote for Hitler. And being a fan of Anal Cunt.
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