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« Reply #100 on: 18 Nov 2010, 21:20 »

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« Reply #101 on: 18 Nov 2010, 21:43 »

actual Football is the greatest sport ever created.

Looks like somebody's forgotten about a little game called sepak takraw.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #102 on: 18 Nov 2010, 22:11 »

I'd rather watch something that isn't boring.

man the only reason nfl isn't a total snoozefest is cuz everyone knows those guys go to the bathroom in their trousers

i guess some people have a scat fetish where the actors are on steroids and in skintight leggings

it's fascinating how a culture of millions has arisen from what is essentially a bunch of dudes wrestlin' in their own feces and urea for an hour

there is a system of rules that must be followed involving people who watch where players stand, which means their intelligence is just high enough to prove the existence of a missing link between primates and humans

this is a phenomenon that would normally be discussed in ANTHROPOLOGY CLASS



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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #103 on: 19 Nov 2010, 16:02 »

I'd take an anthropology class if it wasn't so BORING
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #104 on: 19 Nov 2010, 16:19 »

I'm not defending NFL as fun to watch, although I would rather watch NFL than soccer. Probably because I understand the details of the game better.

Does anyone in here know how American football is different than rugby, rules-wise? People can get pretty badly hurt in football, so I'm wondering how it is that people playing what appears to be football minus pads don't get killed or crippled for life.
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« Reply #105 on: 19 Nov 2010, 16:31 »

I don't know much about the rules of either game (enough to follow if I'm watching, not much more) so I don't know if there's anything helping there, but I'd say the main thing is the lack of hyper-specialisation in rugby. Everybody on the team has to be able to run hard for a long time, so you don't get 300-pound gorillas who exist solely to plow dudes into the ground.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #106 on: 19 Nov 2010, 16:52 »

As much as I generally agree with you (and don't know a ton about rugby)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WciQVqEc8r0&feature=related

Some of those hits are apparently similar in feeling to running into a brick wall which is running back at you.
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« Reply #107 on: 19 Nov 2010, 17:05 »

I'd take an anthropology class if it wasn't so BORING

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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #108 on: 19 Nov 2010, 17:41 »

In rugby there's a lot of technique that goes into how to hit people safely, for yourself, while in football it's about getting the other guy to the ground. There's also a lot more scrumming and such which looks intense but is basically just pushing into other guys. I think the ball is actually in play for a total of 20 minutes during a 60 minute game or something like that? The rest it's on the ground while a scrum is happening. That's 20 minutes of running, during which a real tackles only happen once in a while.
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« Reply #109 on: 19 Nov 2010, 22:27 »

Staedler and Dovey have it right. As I've mentioned before in the Sports thread, the difference really lies in the blocking. The blocking rules changes everything and makes the NFL game as much about raw mass and power as it is about coordination and quickness. As Dovey already pointed out, it leads to specialization. When half the game is about pushing eachother down, it can pay to have huge men on the field. It is a virtual lock that at any given time half of the men on the playing field will weigh in excess of 240 pounds. Anyone under 210 is considered undersized even at the "small" positions. The sheer momentum involved can lead to a helluva lot of injuries. And more than anything else, any player on the field can expect contact whether or not they are a ball carrier, so the sheer volume of hits on a given play significantly ups the potential for injury.

Here's an example. A defensive player gets hit so hard that the announcers don't bother talking about the ball carrier, a man who is hit by at least 2 people and is subsequently piled on.


As much as I generally agree with you (and don't know a ton about rugby)...
Some of those hits are apparently similar in feeling to running into a brick wall which is running back at you.

I don't mean to sound like a pig-headed American here, but a lot of those aren't as nasty as they look. Most of those were wrap ups-- the tackler slows down, opens his hips, and redirects the ball carrier, causing him to lose balance or lifts him off the ground. They can definitely hurt, especially without pads. But it's not as painful as when you get stopped with sheer momentum. In the NFL, for better or worse, you get more stuff like many of the hits seen here, in which the players do not make contact with their arms first or otherwise redirect prior to full contact. They just meet shoulder to chest and both get dropped like they'd been shot. Maximum energy transfer. When a guy hits you so hard that you leave the ground and continue to fly backwards through the air, it can really hurt like hell, pads or no pads.

Anyway, with that said, rugby is a rugged sport. After all, despite the rules and tackling style those shoulder-meets-chest plays that are so common in the NFL still happen in rugby, and when they do there's nothing there to mitigate it but a shirt. From what I've seen, however, those hits do not happen at the same frequency as in grid iron. Combine that with the difference in blocking rules and the size issue and I kinda have to laugh when people imply that the NFL is really any less dangerous to play.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #111 on: 19 Nov 2010, 22:34 »

When explained like that (I know barely anything about gridiron or any other kind of football) it makes a lot of sense. But when you put the two games next to each other, Rugby looks to be about as violent as Americal Football (in that they are both games heavily featuring large men running into each other) but without protective gear.

I still prefer to think of football (Australian versions) in a more friendly way: Everyone tries to hug the guy with the ball. The team with the most hugs at the end of the game wins. Extra points for group hugs.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #112 on: 19 Nov 2010, 23:02 »

I still prefer to think of football (Australian versions) in a more friendly way: Everyone tries to hug the guy with the ball. The team with the most hugs at the end of the game wins. Extra points for group hugs.
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See that does make a lot of sense. For the record, I'm an American as well and have more experience with football than rugby. In those videos I mostly refer to the hits when a rugby player catches a pitch from a teammate (I honestly don't know the technical terms) and doesn't see the defender until he barrels into him shoulder-first at top speed and the guy with the ball is promptly STOPPED.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #113 on: 19 Nov 2010, 23:08 »

There's also a lot more scrumming and such which looks intense but is basically just pushing into other guys.

Not true at all. The one fact I do know about Rugby (other than it is easily the funnest sport to watch) is that a scrum does the same damage to your spine as a mid-speed car crash.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #114 on: 19 Nov 2010, 23:33 »

The major major MAJOR difference between Rugby (both kinds) and American football is that in Rugby you're not allowed to pass the ball forwards. Ever. EVER.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #115 on: 19 Nov 2010, 23:36 »

I thought everyone already knew that?
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« Reply #116 on: 19 Nov 2010, 23:41 »

Yeah well I've got a whole load of freshly baked ensaïmadas so there.
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« Reply #117 on: 19 Nov 2010, 23:43 »

Those look pretty tasty
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« Reply #118 on: 20 Nov 2010, 01:23 »

I thought everyone already knew that?
I didn't. That is a pretty huge difference.
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« Reply #119 on: 20 Nov 2010, 06:18 »

In those videos I mostly refer to the hits when a rugby player catches a pitch from a teammate (I honestly don't know the technical terms) and doesn't see the defender until he barrels into him shoulder-first at top speed and the guy with the ball is promptly STOPPED.

Yeah, I made a face when I saw a couple of those. I'm sure there's plenty of days where those guys look like one continuous bruise. Still, I think the pads thing is a double edged sword. Yeah, a lot of collisions will hurt less. But the net result seems to be that the grid iron players act like they're invincible and launch themselves like human missiles.
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« Reply #120 on: 20 Nov 2010, 06:56 »

I'm wondering how it is that people playing what appears to be football minus pads don't get killed or crippled for life.

I know several people who have been crippled for life in rugby-related accidents; compound fractures, broken backs, legs and even hips, and one guy who got eye-gouged and now one of his eyes is just a scarred up white orb. Plus, have you ever seen what old rugby players noses and ears look like? It's like something out of Brueghel.
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« Reply #121 on: 20 Nov 2010, 07:30 »

I'm not defending NFL as fun to watch, although I would rather watch NFL than soccer. Probably because I understand the details of the game better.

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« Reply #122 on: 20 Nov 2010, 07:37 »

Every time one of my 'friends' induces me to try and play some shitty wank-arse football game on the X-Box or whatever ("It's fun lighten up jeez") I can never score, ever, because I am offside, a rule which makes no sense at all on any level which I can even begin to think of, and seems to bear no relation to the apparently simple rules of the game I used to play occasionally in the playground at school.
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« Reply #123 on: 20 Nov 2010, 07:40 »

Offsides: The ball is played. When your teammate kicks the ball, you're behind the furthest-back defender.

Guy on the sideline points a flag at you.
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« Reply #124 on: 20 Nov 2010, 07:43 »

See, that doesn't make any sense.
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« Reply #125 on: 20 Nov 2010, 07:44 »

It prevents a team from sticking a striker in front of the goal at all times and just launching longballs to him.
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« Reply #126 on: 20 Nov 2010, 08:04 »

Looks like somebody's forgotten about a little game called sepak takraw.

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« Reply #127 on: 20 Nov 2010, 08:10 »

Offside is a rule that often those who've played football (soccer) for years often don't understand either. Often footballclubs don't start teaching the offside rule and tournaments don't start using them until the kids are 15-16 years old, and around here you often start when you're 5-6. Which makes it helluvalot more confusing since the way you were used to playing for the last 10 years suddenly does not compute.
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« Reply #128 on: 20 Nov 2010, 08:26 »

Looks like somebody's forgotten about a little game called sepak takraw.

Okay, I will never be impressed with the skills of anyone doing any other sport ever again.

so basically someone made hackey sack into a competitive team game?
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« Reply #129 on: 20 Nov 2010, 08:31 »

Football is played in probably every country, certainly on every continent in the world.

All you need is a spherical object, doesn't even have to be a football. Some of the greatest footballers ever learned using other objects such as fruit.

You can't sensibly compare it to any other sport, any argument doesn't stand up to closer scrutiny.
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« Reply #130 on: 20 Nov 2010, 08:40 »

By football do you mean american football or soccer?

I have a hard time seeing someone play soccer with a tomato or melon...
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« Reply #131 on: 20 Nov 2010, 08:44 »

I know several people who have been crippled for life in rugby-related accidents; compound fractures, broken backs, legs and even hips, and one guy who got eye-gouged and now one of his eyes is just a scarred up white orb. Plus, have you ever seen what old rugby players noses and ears look like? It's like something out of Brueghel.

my sister played rugby in university and quit after she took a really bad knee to the face which broke her jaw and smashed about eight of her front teeth into crumbs. she has a whole bunch of fancy fake teeth now but at the time i was really young and this was like the scariest nightmare imaginable for me. i guess i should be glad it wasn't worse.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #132 on: 20 Nov 2010, 08:46 »

By football do you mean american football or soccer?

By football I mean football.
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« Reply #133 on: 20 Nov 2010, 10:40 »

By football do you mean american football or soccer?

I have a hard time seeing someone play soccer with a tomato or melon...

Do you have an easier time seeing someone play american football with a tomato or melon?

Also, Tommy, soccer is originally a British term to differentiate all games played on foot and with a ball from the game that is now thought of as football. So soccer isn't an incorrect term. </pedant>
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« Reply #134 on: 20 Nov 2010, 10:54 »

There is a hierarchy of ‘metatexts’ which deeply inform how we look at art. The most obvious of these is the title. All formal works of art have a title, without exception. If the artist does not give it one, then it is automatically called ‘untitled’. This is arguably a function of the gallery system, of art criticism, art-history etc.: If works of art did not have titles, they could not be catalogued, talked about, referenced or organised conceptually. The anonymous quotation that something is art “if it's signed and you can't piss in it” (referring to Duchamp’s Fountain) should perhaps be “if it’s got a title and you can’t piss in it”, though in fact the capacity of a work to receive urine is theoretically irrelevant. This granting of a title could be said to actually transform an object into an artwork, in at least as much as we think of art as being something distinct from design, craft, etc.; or at the very least to be a definite mark that such a transformation has taken place. The matter of titles, being pieces of text, is obviously relevant to our discussion in some ways. Lawrence Weiner said that “all artist’s work has a title, titles are my work”, stripping art down to simply the titles, blown up massively on a wall; but even his work has titles, which exist separately to the pieces themselves. Titles are, however, fundamentally different to text actually incorporated into the work. The title of a work of art is separate from it, in the same way that the caption of a photograph in a newspaper is not the photograph itself, or even part of it.
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« Reply #135 on: 20 Nov 2010, 11:02 »

Do you have an easier time seeing someone play american football with a tomato or melon?

Considering I've never played american football or rugby but spent 10 years playing football/soccer/fotboll/fotball/whatever, yes I do. I suppose its because of the act of throwing something and catching it with your hands is a much softer motion then kicking it. 
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« Reply #136 on: 20 Nov 2010, 11:56 »

But it doesn't have a prefix like Rugby, American or Australian.

It's just football on its own, for a reason.

It does. It's association football.
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« Reply #137 on: 20 Nov 2010, 11:58 »

Tommy has a lot of pretty charming and adorable but essentially insensate ideas about football and what it means for the world.
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« Reply #138 on: 20 Nov 2010, 12:49 »

Sorry, come back here when bicycle kicks are a necessity for every single play, rather than just showing off. Sepak Takraw is far more interesting than soc football.
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« Reply #139 on: 20 Nov 2010, 12:55 »

I don't think it's of any particular importance to the world but I do think it's a fuckload better than any other sport out there.

why?

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« Reply #140 on: 20 Nov 2010, 13:55 »

in chicago he forced his so-called best friends into a tgi fridays where we had to eat their shitty food and remain for over two hours so that he could watch football
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« Reply #141 on: 20 Nov 2010, 13:56 »

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« Reply #142 on: 20 Nov 2010, 15:02 »

I've often wondered to what extent following sport can be thought of as an addiction. It can obviously have pretty bad consequences for relationships, family life and also financially. It can even lead to criminal activity.

The curious thing is that more than any other thing you might regard as an addiction, the compulsive need to consume sports matches seems to be permissable and even lauded in many societies.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #143 on: 20 Nov 2010, 15:47 »

It's because sport is a substitute for war and fan worship is a substitute for religious worship. Totally tuer dogg, I read about it on the internet.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #144 on: 20 Nov 2010, 16:26 »

You might be right.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #145 on: 20 Nov 2010, 16:30 »

What worries me more is that I reread my previous post before posting and saw that I misspelled true and corrected it, but now it's even more wrong.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #146 on: 20 Nov 2010, 16:35 »

normally i don't like american football but today was big game cal vs stanford and i was very shouty

when i think about it, i shout about a whole fuckload of sports, really

i thought i denounced sports watching but man i just like shouting

sports!!!

it's also nice to confuse people when i know my shit and they don't expect me to
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #147 on: 20 Nov 2010, 16:52 »

I've often wondered to what extent following sport can be thought of as an addiction. It can obviously have pretty bad consequences for relationships, family life and also financially. It can even lead to criminal activity.

The curious thing is that more than any other thing you might regard as an addiction, the compulsive need to consume sports matches seems to be permissable and even lauded in many societies.

You don't really need a group of people to shoot heroin, but you need a group of people to play soccer and once you have a group it's easy to suck people into getting into it as well since people like being in groups and consensus is a really powerful thing.
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #148 on: 20 Nov 2010, 18:16 »

Do you know what else can be considered an addiction with risks of serious damage to friends+family and possibly leading to criminal activity? Posting regularly on an internet forum
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Re: dear dude in dr zikers anthro class
« Reply #149 on: 20 Nov 2010, 18:31 »

squawk's post pretty much sums up my opinion of watching sport. I don't do it often but damn it is fun to shout at people over whom you have no control.
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