Topic: Bioware's New Game: It's Mass Effect 3. (Read 83174 times)

cyro · « **Reply #150 on:** 25 Jan 2011, 03:14 »

Quote from: Thomas Edison on 25 Dec 2010, 03:36

I reckon a new feature will be the ability to have a romance with everything and anything in the game.

Anderson, Udina, the entire council (at the same time), your pistol, a Helper, the Normandy, the Citadel...

"Ah yes, 'Romances.' We have dismissed that claim."

Bow-chika wa whoo.

satsugaikaze · « **Reply #151 on:** 28 Jan 2011, 02:54 »

There needs to be more "casual" options in these relationships Bioware insist on giving the player. It's kinda why doin that thang with Kelly seemed more fun than any of the other pairings, most of which involved some form of "UGH THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS SHEPARD THE BANGING IS JUST A REWARD ON THE SIDE"

snalin · « **Reply #152 on:** 28 Jan 2011, 03:01 »

You're thinking of the way the Witcher pulled it off?

Johnny C · « **Reply #153 on:** 28 Jan 2011, 09:46 »

yeah, having women be collectible was really great

ackblom12 · « **Reply #154 on:** 28 Jan 2011, 09:57 »

I know what you mean. It's more akin to making casual encounters be casual and not horribly sexist collections like in Witcher.

The main problem is it's hard enough to portray sex in a way that isn't sexist, pointless or pure fan service without it also being a casual event.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #155 on:** 28 Jan 2011, 10:16 »

Will there ever be a game that contains an honest, realistic, player controlled relationship between two people?

Has that ever existed in any medium?

JD · « **Reply #156 on:** 28 Jan 2011, 10:33 »

People have gotten married in world of warcraft.

look out! Ninjas! · « **Reply #157 on:** 28 Jan 2011, 18:16 »

Quote from: Ozymandias on 28 Jan 2011, 10:16

Will there ever be a game that contains an honest, realistic, player controlled relationship between two people?

Has that ever existed in any medium?

Torment did it quite well, except that she had a tail. Also, no sex, just talking.

Johnny C · « **Reply #158 on:** 29 Jan 2011, 00:09 »

Quote from: Ozymandias on 28 Jan 2011, 10:16

Will there ever be a game that contains an honest, realistic, player controlled relationship between two people?

probably not but if you actually followed through on a lot of the sidequest stuff the relationship btwn york and emily in deadly premonition was one of the finest love stories in gaming. and brutal legend's was like completely & utterly natural. but neither of those are like ever broken into a "do you want to fall in love" binary.

also bringing up planescape: torment is interesting in conjunction with the above. i feel like the only way character romance feels, erm, authentic in video games is if the lead character is like a known quantity, you know? and ~player choice~ is in a lot of ways mutually exclusive to that.

cyro · « **Reply #159 on:** 29 Jan 2011, 01:50 »

The Witcher's relationships were the best.

"Here's some flowers."
"Awesome, wanna shag?"
"Yes."

Bow-chika-wo-wow.

satsugaikaze · « **Reply #160 on:** 29 Jan 2011, 15:58 »

Well, I noted Kelly's 'romance' option as the direction to go in, but obviously some people will look at it and go "sexist" and others will see "oh it's just them having a casual relationship and who knows maybe she just likes stripper outfits"

KvP · « **Reply #161 on:** 29 Jan 2011, 16:00 »

The Kelly thing really isn't much of a relationship.

Naturally the Bioware boards were furious.

snalin · « **Reply #162 on:** 30 Jan 2011, 07:48 »

Quote from: Ozymandias on 28 Jan 2011, 10:16

Will there ever be a game that contains an honest, realistic, player controlled relationship between two people?

Has that ever existed in any medium?

People usually bring up Ico whenever this question comes up. I haven't tried it, so I wouldn't know.

Buttfranklin · « **Reply #163 on:** 31 Jan 2011, 23:16 »

Quote from: look out! Ninjas! on 28 Jan 2011, 18:16

Quote from: Ozymandias on 28 Jan 2011, 10:16
Will there ever be a game that contains an honest, realistic, player controlled relationship between two people?

Has that ever existed in any medium?
Torment did it quite well, except that she had a tail. Also, no sex, just talking.

You could sort of romance a lady with wings, too. But hers didn't culminate in a kiss, whereas the tail lady did.

Even without the hanky panky I feel that the relationships in Planescape: Torment felt more natural than the ones in BioWare's more recent games. Not only that, they were just more entertaining. Fall-From-Grace and Annah are just simply more interesting characters than, say, Ashley or Kaiden. Sure, we don't get to see a cutscene of hot cgi blue alien butt, just a text description of a kiss with Annah, but the kiss with Annah was way more striking than the hot cgi blue alien butt.

As well, Dragon Age: Origins' romances felt more like a mini game of managing approval points than actual dialogue and character interaction.

KvP · « **Reply #164 on:** 31 Jan 2011, 23:21 »

They kind of shot themselves in the foot with the gift system. But it was totally necessary for Morrigan, who apparently was impossible to please in some sections of the game via dialog alone.

Johnny C · « **Reply #165 on:** 31 Jan 2011, 23:32 »

you can't have a good guy character who morrigan falls for without the gift system basically, the whole romance thing in da:o was broken from the start which is a shame because i found its characters largely interesting

satsugaikaze · « **Reply #166 on:** 31 Jan 2011, 23:48 »

The characters were the only thing I found interesting about the game.

KvP · « **Reply #167 on:** 01 Feb 2011, 08:42 »

You guys didn't love the blood theme? It was so thematic!

Johnny C · « **Reply #168 on:** 01 Feb 2011, 15:24 »

actually i thought that was pretty interesting because i love the consideration of biological processes in texts

look out! Ninjas! · « **Reply #169 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 04:56 »

So god of everything Clint Mansell is scoring Mass Effect 3.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/10/overture-clint-mansell-to-score-mass-effect-3/

I honestly can't remember the music from one or two, except that it wasn't the Star Wars music I kept humming to myself.

KvP · « **Reply #170 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 08:41 »

That is a pretty significant coup.

Tom · « **Reply #171 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 11:37 »

I'm sure he'd be a great fit for Mass Effect's cinematic ambitions.

Storm Rider · « **Reply #172 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 11:47 »

I did like the work of Jack Wall and the two other guys whose names I can't remember on the first two games, but it should be interesting to see the direction Mansell takes.

KvP · « **Reply #173 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 14:49 »

From the sound of it, Jack Wall either got fired or left the company, but he gives Mansell his endorsement, not that he needs it.

Hopefully he just uses the one or two good songs from the other soundtracks (those being the galaxy menu song and the Vigil theme from the ME1 title screen), perhaps improves upon them.

Basically Clint Mansell is perhaps the greatest.

Alex C · « **Reply #174 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 15:04 »

I liked the music in Eden Prime during the having to disarm the bombs sequence. I thought it was pretty appropriate in an '80s sci-fi action kinda way. Going to Clint Mansell is definitely an upgrade, but if we were voting video game soundtrack artists off the island, I wouldn't have started with Jack Wall.

Dimmukane · « **Reply #175 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 21:07 »

The other guy was Sam Hulick, for those who were wondering. This should be interesting, though. I've always kind of wondered what Trent Reznor might do.

satsugaikaze · « **Reply #176 on:** 13 Feb 2011, 08:13 »

Quote from: KvP on 01 Feb 2011, 08:42

You guys didn't love the blood theme? It was so thematic!

please don't get me started on how DA: O was the biggest pile of disappointment I played

Also I was kinda hoping Jack Wall would finish the series score. Or those motherfucking geniuses who composed for the DLC. BIM BAM SMASH SAY HELLO TO THE SHADOW BROKER'S PRIVATE ARMY

But yeah okay Clint Mansell. I only liked 1 or 2 tracks from the first game but ME2's soundtrack had some absolute brilliance. It'd be pretty stupid to dump the main themes from the 3rd game.

Alex C · « **Reply #177 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 07:56 »

They drove the main themes into the ground though. I get that having recurring motifs and reprises is always good for a moment of recognition and "SO EPIC" comments on youtube, but holy shit do they need to pace themselves better next time.

satsugaikaze · « **Reply #178 on:** 17 Feb 2011, 06:38 »

Yeah I'll be fair and put it out there that the last 4 tracks of the main soundtrack are just mixes of the same 2 themes

But seriously they had a good thing going, it's sad to see the guy not come back to show how much he's improved at this thing.

Caleb · « **Reply #179 on:** 17 Feb 2011, 10:25 »

I wonder if you can use your save data from the PC game for the Xbox version somehow.

That would be cool since I invested so much time in the PC version already.

Tom · « **Reply #180 on:** 08 Apr 2011, 20:49 »

Game Informer spoilerz by way of RPS.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #181 on:** 08 Apr 2011, 22:04 »

I have to assume the Liara/Shitty Human Survivor/Garrus/"James" team is just at the beginning of the game, right?

Right?

Tom · « **Reply #182 on:** 08 Apr 2011, 22:24 »

My money's on Bioware giving out as little info as possible this time round.

KvP · « **Reply #183 on:** 08 Apr 2011, 23:19 »

Quote from: Ozymandias on 08 Apr 2011, 22:04

I have to assume the Liara/Shitty Human Survivor/Garrus/"James" team is just at the beginning of the game, right?

Right?

Sounds like it. Garrus can also, you know, be dead.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #184 on:** 08 Apr 2011, 23:40 »

Yeah, that's true. Man, there seems to already be a shit ton of carry-over variables just from that tiny bit of spoilers.

Josefbugman · « **Reply #185 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 01:34 »

I think that Bioware is going to have its work cut out just making sure that all the variables are covered, because knowing their "fanbase" someone will complain unless every single choice made across all of the games doesn't have earth shattering consequences.

KvP · « **Reply #186 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 02:14 »

Their fanbase was pretty happy with ME2, actually.

Josefbugman · « **Reply #187 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 04:48 »

You wouldn't know it from looking at the bioware forums *eyetwitch*.

They seem to attract all of the worst elements of fandom from people who would praise the games even if every time you turned the game on you got a shotgun blast to the face, to the people who would condemn it for not giving out blowjobs and heroin, to the people whose declarations of love for fictional characters is a tiny bit weird.

Rizzo · « **Reply #188 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 07:55 »

I guess I need to play 2 again and create a whole lot of new variables...

So far my characters probably should be:
Play through 1 & 2 Paragon - Everyone/most survive (ensure Thane survives, he rules)
Play through 1 & 2 Renegade - Everyone/most survive (kill Miranda, she sucks)
Play through 1 & 2 Renegade - Only humans can survive (the xenophobe)
Play through 2 haphazardly - No one survives (new character(s) for 3?)
Play through 2 - see how it goes choosing a moderate path and deliberately picking the wrong people for the final mission, some will die

That's a lot of game time to set up. I'm fairly sure I've got the first 2 and the last one covered already.

Buttfranklin · « **Reply #189 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 10:32 »

By no one survives you have to make sure that Shepard at least survives. BioWare has confirmed that if Shep dies then you cannot export the save game to ME3.

JD · « **Reply #190 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 11:10 »

Yeah you need at least one other guy to pull you up at the end. Do legion since he isn't really alive anyway.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #191 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 12:45 »

I keep reading that Mordin, Wrex, and Legion are appearing in non-squad based roles and I just keep wondering WTF, since all three are fantastic characters.

Wrex and Legion actually make sense I guess, if you follow the theory that they're going to center the game around building up a galactic force to destroy the Reapers- they're the representatives of their races and can lead the charge from their respective fronts. Mordin hardly qualifies on that front, though. Especially if the council survives ME1.

KvP · « **Reply #192 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 13:06 »

It makes the most sense, though, and it has since ME2 expanded the party NPC list. It's pretty much what they did from BG1 -> BG2. The majority of CNPCs from BG1 either made cameos or were killed off. Only the important ones (eg family, love interests and comedy relief via Minsc and Edwin) made it to the sequel as party characters. And considering it's highly likely that companions will have their own subquests (with or without "loyalty" mechanics) the permanent ME3 party pool is probably going to be ME1/ME2 standard.

If I were to gamble I'd say there are going to be sections where you can run with a former party NPC, but only for that mission (ala Lair of the Shadow Broker). A lot of people are going to be unhappy with this, but I don't see Bioware really shaking up their game design to avoid it with the given amount of development time they have, and the proven success of their formula.

Buttfranklin · « **Reply #193 on:** 09 Apr 2011, 13:12 »

Mordin makes sense not coming back with an active role since he is getting very old by Salarian standards.

satsugaikaze · « **Reply #194 on:** 10 Apr 2011, 08:03 »

Quote from: Ozymandias on 08 Apr 2011, 22:04

I have to assume the Liara/Shitty Human Survivor/Garrus/"James" team is just at the beginning of the game, right?

Right?

Since Ashley is lookin' pretty bangin' for the third game I have to say that this is probably a combination I'd be quite happy with

Ozymandias · « **Reply #195 on:** 10 Apr 2011, 12:02 »

Almost definitely.

FIXDIX · « **Reply #196 on:** 10 Apr 2011, 13:44 »

I can see the reasons why but damn if I ain't sad my boys Legion and Mordin won't be with me. Legion was an awesome alternative to Tali, because fuck that cunt after failing her loyalty mission, and Mordin is Mordin.

Since my 360 is fucked and my ME1 and ME2 saves are gone I thought it was high time I got ME2 for ps3. I thought the interactive comic was a nice touch but honestly thought there would be more options to choose from. One of the options I did pick was to leave Kaidan to die, but this was hugely discredited when I asked Jacob about my past team mates only to get a reply saying that he was fine and doing whatever he does if he survives. So that was a little bit of a let down.

Alex C · « **Reply #197 on:** 10 Apr 2011, 14:16 »

Yeah, Tali had the hook of being from a different culture without having any particularly annoying traits and ME2 did a good job of expanding her character a bit.

Ozymandias · « **Reply #198 on:** 10 Apr 2011, 16:04 »

Yeah, if for some reason you're beyond the standard Renegade dick and give the fleet the truth about Tali's father, you lose her loyalty.

JD · « **Reply #199 on:** 10 Apr 2011, 16:41 »

She did ask you not to do so.

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