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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #50 on: 20 Jan 2011, 06:14 »

I saw a picture of a white swan recently and it just looked completely bizarre.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #51 on: 20 Jan 2011, 06:16 »

And dirty too, I bet! MORE LIKE MUDDY YELLOW SWAN.

White swans are even wronger than Christmas in winter.
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« Reply #52 on: 20 Jan 2011, 06:55 »

Also, it bugged me that she never went and just explained her mistake to the girl who she said "congratulations" to, but that kind of thing - where a big festering problem (though granted it wasn't really touched on again in the film, I just like to imagine) could so easily be avoided by a bit of sensible behaviour - tends to annoy me to an unreasonable degree in movies.

Holy shit me too. It's getting to the point where I find it really hard to watch, like, any sitcom.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #53 on: 20 Jan 2011, 16:23 »

stuff like that hits close to home as basically a walking bearded regret bundle so i'm willing to let it slide in movies the same way i let those conversational opportunities slide in life
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #54 on: 20 Jan 2011, 16:48 »

Haha, oh wow. The Age, Melbourne's broadsheet daily, has a famously . . . let's be generous and say "iconoclastic" film reviewer named Jim Schembri. He reviewed Black Swan this morning and described it as "rhapsodic" and "intoxicating". Now, I thought it was a really good film, but those are literally two of the last words I'd ever use to describe it.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #55 on: 20 Jan 2011, 16:53 »

The Radio 4 program Front Row gave it a rather mediocre review (such that I wasn't planning to go and see it).  The ballet person they had in disliked it a whole lot more than the other reviewer - but I guess this is not atypical when specialists review a non-specialist film that covers their area.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #56 on: 20 Jan 2011, 19:08 »

I liked it.  I thought it was a good movie, along the lines of "Kiss Me Kate" but for a ballet and not Shakespeare.  I will say that Natalie Portman nailed her performance, and Mila Kunis rocked as well.

And just for the bwuh-huh about the new Trek movie: you know, they also build very large ships (say, for instance, a San Antonio-class LPD or Essex-class LHAs, or even an Nimitz-class CVN) on dry land... and the LHAs are ported over land and for over a mile into the nearest water from Bath Iron Works... so, to say that a starship couldn't be launched from the ground is silly.

I also have had carnal knowledge and an extended relationship of/with members of the opposite sex, who were of age.  None of the knowledge/trivia above prevented me from doing so.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #57 on: 23 Jan 2011, 11:22 »

And just for the bwuh-huh about the new Trek movie: you know, they also build very large ships (say, for instance, a San Antonio-class LPD or Essex-class LHAs, or even an Nimitz-class CVN) on dry land... and the LHAs are ported over land and for over a mile into the nearest water from Bath Iron Works... so, to say that a starship couldn't be launched from the ground is silly.

I think the main problem is that a San Antionio-class LPD doesn't have to escape the Earth's gravitational pull
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #58 on: 24 Jan 2011, 21:38 »

The Radio 4 program Front Row gave it a rather mediocre review (such that I wasn't planning to go and see it).  The ballet person they had in disliked it a whole lot more than the other reviewer - but I guess this is not atypical when specialists review a non-specialist film that covers their area.

i've thought the ballet review community's reactions have been pretty hilarious just based on how like outrageously angry they've all been
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #59 on: 24 Jan 2011, 21:39 »

i read one that was like "her dancing isn't even CLOSE to masterful, she spent a mere year learning what it takes a lifetime to do" and i just laughed my ass off
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #60 on: 25 Jan 2011, 05:12 »

Those words were indeed used in the review I mentioned; they may be true, but c'mon.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #61 on: 25 Jan 2011, 08:53 »

I wonder how feasible it would be to have a ballet double? I haven't seen the film yet (should be seeing it tomorrow!) but I imagine that it would kind have ruined it, even with effects trickery.

Thing is only a ballet expert is probably going to be able to tell good ballet from excellent ballet, so there's probably only a very small number of people who are actually annoyed.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #62 on: 25 Jan 2011, 09:39 »

When the Wrestler came out, as a wrestling fan, I was pretty aware of what the reception was in the wrestling world.  I don't think I read a single negative review from the people who make up that fringe interest.  One former star noted it was in no way as bleak, but noted how accurate the film was when it came to representing how much physical pain actually goes into it, the way the matches were laid out, the "in ring" performance given, etc.  Granted, ballet is a more focused art form, but the top names in wrestling will also spend years getting to where they are (e.g. Mick Foley, who has been getting a lot of media attention via the Daily Show.  He knows the business.  It is his life.  And he respected the Wrestler as a film, and the portrayal Rourke gave, to my recollection).  

Some people just want to complain that their fringe interest is not being well represented.

edit: I just read that Vince McMahon, the owner of the WWE, hated the film.  But that guy is a douche bag and someone who half the time makes sure his performers are set for life after their careers are done and the other half of the time pretty much sends them out to the trash and forgets them, so who gives a shit what he thinks.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #63 on: 25 Jan 2011, 11:53 »

I wonder how feasible it would be to have a ballet double? I haven't seen the film yet (should be seeing it tomorrow!) but I imagine that it would kind have ruined it, even with effects trickery.

Thing is only a ballet expert is probably going to be able to tell good ballet from excellent ballet, so there's probably only a very small number of people who are actually annoyed.

they do have a ballet double! the ballet double does all the close footwork shots.
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« Reply #64 on: 25 Jan 2011, 14:00 »

(e.g. Mick Foley, who has been getting a lot of media attention via the Daily Show.  He knows the business.  It is his life.  And he respected the Wrestler as a film, and the portrayal Rourke gave, to my recollection).  

Here's the article where he says as much
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #65 on: 02 Feb 2011, 00:04 »

Ok, so I've seen this now.

Holy shit.

Holy. Fucking. Shit.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #66 on: 02 Feb 2011, 00:27 »

Went and saw it with some friends a few weeks ago.  I was so happy that they all loved it, it's always awesome having everyone enjoy a movie that you go and see.  Our one friend who did ballet as well as a bunch of other types of dance for years was unimpressed by the dancing. 

Also, I overheard a girl saying that it Black Swan was essentially a "low grade horror film with lesbians in it." Which made me slam my head into a desk. 

And in terms of The Wrestler, Mickey Rourke apparently had to learn how to "fall" properly because he was hurting himself.  That film really made me look at wrestling in a completely different light and I loved it for doing that.  I need to watch that film again.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #67 on: 02 Feb 2011, 13:38 »

I still have mixed feelings about Black Swan. I've always loved Aronofsky's work, but I noticed he didn't write this one and I'm not sure if that has something to do with my trepidation to really be excited over it. I haven't seen The Wrestler and need to do so, if only to get a bit caught up and be able to compare the two.

I think this was a strong film, but I was left feeling that it needed a good 20-30 minutes extra. I couldn't even really say why, it just felt like it ended very abruptly. I realize that to some extent that was on purpose but I couldn't help but think it was missing something. There was something about the way he developed the characters that felt a bit too much like the audience was expected to accept them in their roles and not think too much about it. Nobody really felt all that complex to me - not even Portman's character.
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« Reply #68 on: 02 Feb 2011, 14:36 »

And in terms of The Wrestler, Mickey Rourke apparently had to learn how to "fall" properly because he was hurting himself.  That film really made me look at wrestling in a completely different light and I loved it for doing that.  I need to watch that film again.


Two telling former wrestler quotes:
 "You can't fake gravity."

 "Everyone knows it's fake except for us and the insurance companies."


Pro-wrestling needs a union, seriously. Many pro wrestlers have gone years without health insurance because they're independent contractors and thus are on their own when it comes to paying some of the highest health insurance premiums of any profession. Between the PEDs, painkillers, grueling schedules and constant stunts a lot of those guys end up aging in dog years. A ridiculous number of the people on Deadwrestlers.net died before the age of 50 of either heart failure or suicide. The drug and alcohol abuse is an easy answer and definitely a contributing factor in a lot of those cases, but I do wonder about the role of head trauma since recent findings have been raising suspicions about the kind of brain damage that can be done by a high volume of minor incidents over prolonged periods of time.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #69 on: 02 Feb 2011, 15:56 »

And in terms of The Wrestler, Mickey Rourke apparently had to learn how to "fall" properly because he was hurting himself.  That film really made me look at wrestling in a completely different light and I loved it for doing that.  I need to watch that film again.
People mock it for this because it reinforces the idea that it's "fake" , but the whole idea of wrestling is to NOT hurt yourself or the other person in the ring and it's really difficult to learn how to do that effectively and still make it look as real as possible.

I really need to see black swan on the big screen again, maybe it's in the cheap theaters by now?...
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #70 on: 02 Feb 2011, 17:13 »

It will probably get a push in big chains due to Oscar season. King's Speech is getting the same treatment.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #71 on: 02 Feb 2011, 18:32 »

It's been continuously making money...so I don't know about that.  It pulled in another 5 million this past weekend so I'm not sure if they're really going to give it an Oscar push.  And wow, has Black Swan made a ton of money, 90 million domestically.  If anything, 127 Hours needs the Oscar push as it's barely made a blip anywhere.  That movie is also fantastic. 
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« Reply #72 on: 02 Feb 2011, 21:14 »

Holy shit I had no idea... I was just operating under the usual "welp it's been a couple weeks, right? it's probably $3 now..."
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« Reply #73 on: 04 Feb 2011, 00:43 »

I just like the fact that a film with some actual artistic value turns out profitable.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #74 on: 12 Feb 2011, 10:01 »

I know I'm late to this party but I just saw it and came out of the cinema shaking. Holy. Shit.
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« Reply #75 on: 12 Feb 2011, 14:22 »

A friend saw it and said that when the movie was over, the entire audience just sat there for a minute.  When I saw it, I could understand why.
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« Reply #76 on: 12 Feb 2011, 16:26 »

My audience laughed at several "scary" parts of the film.
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« Reply #77 on: 12 Feb 2011, 17:00 »

We had a lot of gasping and cringing during almost every body horror part.  It made me realize how jaded I am when it comes to horror.  I don't think anyone screamed though but my friend went "lesbians? FUCK YEAH!" pretty loudly at one point.  I don't think he'd seen any of the marketing for this film at all. 
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« Reply #78 on: 12 Feb 2011, 17:27 »

I think all the "horror" scenes were really well done... "scary" movies are almost always really poorly done and pretty much accomplish the exact opposite of what they aim for (even if it's, like, an "ironic" scary movie).  They were pretty unexpected and short, not drawn out, and not too over-the-top.  The "horror" elements were a nice surprise, in my watching experience.  I would be bummed / annoyed if people laughed at a movie I was enjoying that wasn't supposed to be funny or ironic, anyway.
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« Reply #79 on: 12 Feb 2011, 17:39 »

"scary" movies are almost always really poorly done and pretty much accomplish the exact opposite of what they aim for (even if it's, like, an "ironic" scary movie). 

What?  Explain this to me.  Are you saying that horror films in general are poorly done or...what?
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« Reply #80 on: 12 Feb 2011, 17:50 »

My audience laughed at several "scary" parts of the film.

My audience laughed (snickered, really) at anything even vaguely sexual. All fully grown adults, by the way.
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« Reply #81 on: 12 Feb 2011, 18:10 »

"scary" movies are almost always really poorly done and pretty much accomplish the exact opposite of what they aim for (even if it's, like, an "ironic" scary movie).  

What?  Explain this to me.  Are you saying that horror films in general are poorly done or...what?
Sorry, I have had enough drinks to still be coherent but not really express myself clearly.

I do not like horror movies.  Usually at all.

I thought this movie just had a small amount of the genre to be enjoyable enough.  

That's just me, and I really poorly worded what I said earlier.

(edit: poorly must be my word of the night.)
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« Reply #82 on: 12 Feb 2011, 18:57 »

If we want to look at mainstream horror films then yeah, they are quite horrible.  Good horror films are mostly found pre-2000's or from foreign shores. 

I would love to see more horror films being done in this style as the only ones that have really been shown in theaters lately have been those awful SAW films.  I would love to see more psychological and body horror invading our cinema.  Actually, anything other than torture porn and lame slashers would be nice.
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« Reply #83 on: 12 Feb 2011, 19:15 »

Yeah, I think maybe that's what I was thinking of when I said that, I'm sure there plenty of exceptions outside of the mainstream.

Is it lame that my favorite "scary movie" is still The Ring?  Never did see the Japanese version, though as soon as I found out what I saw was a remake I wanted to see the original.
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« Reply #84 on: 12 Feb 2011, 21:15 »

The original is really low-budget and I didn't enjoy it at all.   

There are tons of exceptions, but that's also cause I love horror films quite a bit.  And there are a lot of absolutely awful ones, in fact, most of them are awful.  The joy comes from watching maybe 10-15 awful ones and then stumbling across something that's amazing.

And I'm going to not ramble on about horror films because I've been drinking and will go on forever.
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« Reply #85 on: 12 Feb 2011, 23:39 »

i laughed abit at the bodyhorror parts, but it was a cringing, uncomfortable, 'wtf' laughter.

overall, a fantastic mindfuck of a movie
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« Reply #86 on: 15 Feb 2011, 01:19 »

alright, so i saw this on saturday due to this event my school ran (you wrote yr name on a door and you could see it for free, whats up?) and holy shit, this was a great movie. i still really feel like darren aronofsky (sp?) is a giant, pretentious douche bag but pretty much everything in this film was done wonderfully and everything tied together perfectily and goddamn i jumped so many times at this film.

but yeah fuck darren aronofsky he is a douche, as good of a filmmaker he is (dont ask me to defend this statement i wont be here to do so).
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« Reply #87 on: 15 Feb 2011, 01:26 »

pretentious, yes.  If you want a douchebag, Tarantino is your dude.  And Michael Bay, and James Cameron. 

Doesn't come off as that much of a douche
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« Reply #88 on: 18 Feb 2011, 15:55 »

Was it here that someone posted a link to an article about undertones of sexual abuse in this film? I don't know how much my interpretation was affected by reading the article before I saw the film but I can't see how anyone could have missed that - I was going to say subplot but actually I think it was the entire plot. Thoughts?
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« Reply #89 on: 18 Feb 2011, 16:05 »

The DS relationship between French dude and Natalie is pretty obvious but if the mom thing's there I think it's more subtle.
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« Reply #90 on: 18 Feb 2011, 16:37 »

Conversely, as I mentioned above, I saw the movie not long after reading the article which posits the sexually abusive relationship between Nina and her mother and even though I was looking for it, I couldn't make it work.
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« Reply #91 on: 18 Feb 2011, 18:22 »

I dunno, I hadn't read the article and I thought that I saw it in places.  The mom is just too touchy-feely and is all up in her business even when she's trying to take a bath, etc. 
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #92 on: 19 Feb 2011, 01:28 »

The thing for me that finalised it was when she is having sex with "Lily" and and Lily says "my sweet girl", and she finds out it wasn't her after all. I just couldn't see how that wasn't a deliberate message from the director.
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« Reply #93 on: 19 Feb 2011, 02:55 »

See I didn't read that as being sexual on part of the mother. She's infantilised, the mother simply treats her in the same way you might treat a six year old, which is the reason it's creepy. The 'my sweet girl' thing is when we're in the viewpoint of a deranged mind, it's probably just basic guilt/freudian terror shit, an echo of when she is masturbating and sees her mother next to her.
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« Reply #94 on: 19 Feb 2011, 09:33 »

oh you saw it dude, what did you think
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« Reply #95 on: 19 Feb 2011, 09:48 »

I liked it. I'm a big sucker for slightly moody films that rely on artistic flair over complex plotting. I had very few quibbles with it, except that some of the body horror scenes showed too much and ended up being stupid (the legs).
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« Reply #96 on: 19 Feb 2011, 10:06 »

I liked it. I'm a big sucker for slightly moody films that rely on artistic flair over complex plotting.

i really feel this and i think it's why i'm such a big fan of the movie

the legs were like kind of noticeably cg which is why i think they didn't quite sit entirely right with me (although how surprising the image was the first time i saw it made a difference)
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« Reply #97 on: 19 Feb 2011, 10:18 »

It was more that first moment when her knees go backwards I thought was funny rather than scary, and I reckon that was probably American Werewolf in London style hydraulics.
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Re: BLACK SWAN IS APPARENTLY AMAZING, SOMEONE C/D
« Reply #98 on: 20 Feb 2011, 19:44 »

There was some alien type movie that came out at the same time as Contact that did a similar thing when one character turned out to be an alien and not a human, or something, and it looked just as terrible then as it did in this movie... ... does anyone know what movie I am thinking of?  It drove me crazy leaving the theater that I could not remember the "film."
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« Reply #99 on: 20 Feb 2011, 19:52 »

Hmmm... Event Horizon maybe?
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