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Author Topic: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)  (Read 93552 times)

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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #250 on: 08 Dec 2010, 13:14 »

Maybe, but she seems to be sipping whilst he gulps. More likely she's doing it so as to be non-judgmental. Hard to get classier than that.
Hanners is all class, all the way. She even flails in a ladylike manner. Her expressions and "finger jive" (especially in panel 3) are so eloquent. Art-kudos to Jeph.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #251 on: 08 Dec 2010, 13:20 »

It is bad that yesterday I didn't realize it was a fleshlight, much less what a fleshlight was?

Not really, you don't need to know what every 'party favor' does. As for fleshlights, I came across a site once that described how to build one with a pringles can and a condom.(No, I didn't build it). So I imagine it is not something you (want to) share with anyone, just like you don't use someones used condom.

Yeah well, learning what it is the same morning I hear my neighbors having sex. It *can't* be a coincidence...
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #252 on: 08 Dec 2010, 15:15 »

Maybe, but she seems to be sipping whilst he gulps. More likely she's doing it so as to be non-judgmental. Hard to get classier than that.
Hanners is all class, all the way. She even flails in a ladylike manner. Her expressions and "finger jive" (especially in panel 3) are so eloquent. Art-kudos to Jeph.

Man, "finger jive" is a way cooler name for it than "twiddling your thumbs"!  Thanks Akima!
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #253 on: 08 Dec 2010, 15:23 »

I can't see Hanners being stupid enough (or drinking enough) to be planning on stocking up on Liquid Courage for an ill-fated attempt to get some Marten Action, there's just so much wrong with the idea, yet..  

I can't get it out of my brain!
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #254 on: 08 Dec 2010, 21:10 »

I have a couple really, really...REALLY...bad/dumb/stupid/perverted questions, and I'm scared of Googling them.

I've never used a fleshlight, so when one's getting off with one, does one...come inside it, or yank out and into a kleenex?  If the former, how do you clean it out?
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #255 on: 08 Dec 2010, 21:15 »

I have a couple really, really...REALLY...bad/dumb/stupid/perverted questions, and I'm scared of Googling them.

I've never used a fleshlight, so when one's getting off with one, does one...come inside it, or yank out and into a kleenex?  If the former, how do you clean it out?

Soap and hot water. Although you've got to have some cajones to be washing one out in the sink when you're living with roommates. I think some of them are also dishwasher safe.

I'm ex-navy. This stuff gets to be common knowledge when you're on a ship that goes out to sea for months at a time.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #256 on: 08 Dec 2010, 21:20 »

And probably doing so to keep her freak-out session from starting too soon.  She's doing what she did with Marigold--saving it up for later, and a more appropriate venue.  If she keeps practicing that, she might get good enough to even kiss someone...

...Chastely...

...On the cheek.

She would, of course, sanitize both her lips and the cheek area immediately afterward...and she might be so pleased with her socially appropriate behavior that she--dare I say it--would go try Taco Bell
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #257 on: 08 Dec 2010, 21:23 »

Pintsize is now in 'Time Out' in the closet - with his WiFi disconnected.

It's Sven's
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #258 on: 08 Dec 2010, 23:00 »

Now I'm really confused. Why does Pintsize have or need Sven's WiFi? Doesn't he have his own built-in uplink?

And no, Dr. ROFLPWN, for Hanners, the chain that dare not speak its name may well be Taco Bell. Of course, it could just as easily be McDonald's. I remember waaayyy back when  someone put out a rumor that McD's 'supplemented thier protein,' as it were, with earthworms. I recall this because my grandfather bought it hook, line and sinker. Ah-hah Ahahaha. Anyway, we couldn't pass under the Arches when we were with him, which was altogether a terrible thing to do to an eight-year-old.

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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #259 on: 08 Dec 2010, 23:08 »

I have a couple really, really...REALLY...bad/dumb/stupid/perverted questions, and I'm scared of Googling them.

I've never used a fleshlight, so when one's getting off with one, does one...come inside it, or yank out and into a kleenex?  If the former, how do you clean it out?

The, ah, "realistic" part of it is a lining that comes out of the outer plastic casing...and it has an opening at the other end, so water can just be run straight through it.  And Googling fleshlight is probably fairly safe in the grand scheme of things, particularly if you just stick to a web search and not a GIS.  The fleshlight website is actually just covered mostly in pictures of porn stars who have personalized fleshlight inserts (allegedly) molded into the shape of their naughty bits.  Kind of an interesting idea for someone who's just way too obsessed with Sasha Grey or Stoya or someone like that. 

And as a side note, if you ever want to know about something like that, but are worried about Google results, checking on urbandictionary is a pretty safe bet since they don't have pictures.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #260 on: 08 Dec 2010, 23:58 »

I'm ex-navy. This stuff gets to be common knowledge when you're on a ship that goes out to sea for months at a time.

Being stuck on a boat full of seamen can do that to a man.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #261 on: 09 Dec 2010, 00:21 »

Now I'm really confused. Why does Pintsize have or need Sven's WiFi? Doesn't he have his own built-in uplink?

And no, Dr. ROFLPWN, for Hanners, the chain that dare not speak its name may well be Taco Bell. Of course, it could just as easily be McDonald's. I remember waaayyy back when  someone put out a rumor that McD's 'supplemented thier protein,' as it were, with earthworms. I recall this because my grandfather bought it hook, line and sinker. Ah-hah Ahahaha. Anyway, we couldn't pass under the Arches when we were with him, which was altogether a terrible thing to do to an eight-year-old.

Well we know from the strip I linked above she has never been, and considers it one of her social hurdles, perhaps for similar reasons, or perhaps because she's actually seen a Taco Bell kitchen in-depth and it all but shattered her mind.

That is a pretty awful thing to do to a kid. Conversely, I used to love the old McNuggets at that age; because I was sure they weren't chicken--chicken didn't taste like that. I was like "OMG IGUANA/CAPYBARA MEAT" or something, which I think was in conjunction with being a kid who loved the rainforest and read all about it all the damn time and was pretty sure McDonalds was scouring Brazil for bush meat.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #262 on: 09 Dec 2010, 00:26 »

Jeph loves the shit that gets posted here

No, he really doesn't.  From what I can see, you have entirely the wrong take on it.  It's not like Jeph comes around here nightly, reads everything, thinks "yeah alright, that's ok" then leaves.  There was a very long time in which he just didn't come around here at all because whenever he did he got the shits with it.  Most of the other mods & I are from the other part of the forums and mostly can't stand to read through this place any more than he does.  So other than when I get a reported post and have to remove some spam or ban a dude for being a dipshit this place has been put into the "don't care" basket, except for when someone mentions that something really dumb is happening, which is usually when we come in and get annoyed.

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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #263 on: 09 Dec 2010, 00:49 »

New comic - dead goldfish...

That makes Dora the third  member of the cast to have killed goldfish: Marten, Faye.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #264 on: 09 Dec 2010, 00:50 »

...huh.

She only kinda has her friends, though.  With Marten avoiding her, Faye's going to drop from "friend" to "peon" pretty quickly.  And, um... that's really pretty much it.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #265 on: 09 Dec 2010, 00:52 »

I do my best to not sound like an idiot when I'm on here, at least not intentionally.  :-(

If I ever start to sound like a real troll please just ban me and I'll understand.

RE: Comic:
Nice. I like seeing Dora and Sven interaction.

And c'mon, who didn't kill a goldfish when they were little? Those things are like the easiest things to kill.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #266 on: 09 Dec 2010, 00:59 »

True about goldfish, of course. 

What's intriguing me, though, is just how Jeph's going develop the comic if the group does fall into two barely related sections.  To me this suggests that some sort of accommodation between Dora and Marten is on the cards at some stage, though it may be that he hasn't planned it yet.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #267 on: 09 Dec 2010, 01:07 »

I think it's also a possibility, though distant, that someone might leave the cast, but again, all depends on Jeph's plan.

Sven is being really awesome here, wooooo Sven.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #268 on: 09 Dec 2010, 01:30 »

Yeah, this is really cute and all, it's genuinely touching, but I'd like to see just a smidge of concern for Marten. Really, Dora does not have any sort of right to feel sorry for herself, no one had any input or control over this besides her, and if she had gotten any advice from any of her friends, they'd have told her not to, or at least told her to do it way different.

I can assume she feels guilty over how much she hurt Marten right now, but it's not being shown. It really does feel like now that she's broken up with him, he no longer exists, and it's just poor little Dora alone in the world. It's only been a day, but it seems like she's 'gotten over' Marten the person already, and is only grieving for the way her life was before she decided to change it.

This is the problem with severely limited omniscience, there's a lot of stuff that's probably going on, but since we don't see it, it's hard to be sure exactly what exists and what doesn't except when the cast mentions it. And Jeph really is striking what may be the best balance of getting on with the story, cracking jokes, and showing what's going on. Unfortunately we can't get Jephs of different dimensions and have them draw comics in parrallel, which would be the only possible way to solve that dilemma.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #269 on: 09 Dec 2010, 01:39 »

True about goldfish, of course.  

What's intriguing me, though, is just how Jeph's going develop the comic if the group does fall into two barely related sections.  To me this suggests that some sort of accommodation between Dora and Marten is on the cards at some stage, though it may be that he hasn't planned it yet.
We have built our civilization upon a mountain of goldfish skulls. Or maybe a low hill, them being so teeny and all.

I was pretty sure an accommodation was in the cards before Marten started looking like someone you'd see pushing a grocery cart on the sidewalk, complete with freaky hat. I keep wondering how long it's going to be before he lines that thing with foil.

Then I remind myself it's only been what, a day? Three at the most? So sure, something's going to be worked out. But it may take months or more, our time. At least I know if someone accused me of lying to her and dumped me because of it (I know that's not exactly what happened, but it seems fairly close to how it must feel to Marten), I'd have to give myself a few weeks or maybe months to put it behind me enough so I'd be sure I could act civilized around her. Which wouldn't* mean we couldn't share friends—just that things would be strained.

Still, if Marten's deep-ending is a long-term thing, who knows? But, like I said, the way time flows in QC makes it hard to get a handle on this sort of thing, or at least it does for me.

Of course, why I think Marten will be in the driver's seat of this car is an entirely other discussion.

*Edit: screw up—missing negative. ANd I misspelled mountain and… To paraphrase Dave Bowman, "My god, it's full of typos."
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #270 on: 09 Dec 2010, 01:55 »

Yeah, this is really cute and all, it's genuinely touching, but I'd like to see just a smidge of concern for Marten. Really, Dora does not have any sort of right to feel sorry for herself, no one had any input or control over this besides her, and if she had gotten any advice from any of her friends, they'd have told her not to, or at least told her to do it way different.

I can assume she feels guilty over how much she hurt Marten right now, but it's not being shown. It really does feel like now that she's broken up with him, he no longer exists, and it's just poor little Dora alone in the world. It's only been a day, but it seems like she's 'gotten over' Marten the person already, and is only grieving for the way her life was before she decided to change it.

This is the problem with severely limited omniscience, there's a lot of stuff that's probably going on, but since we don't see it, it's hard to be sure exactly what exists and what doesn't except when the cast mentions it. And Jeph really is striking what may be the best balance of getting on with the story, cracking jokes, and showing what's going on. Unfortunately we can't get Jephs of different dimensions and have them draw comics in parrallel, which would be the only possible way to solve that dilemma.

Her neurosis, which I can only assume, as a sufferer of same, that she is at least somewhat self-conscious about, has caused her to drive away a man she really cares about.  She knows she was not thinking rationally and that is very upsetting, that loss of control.  She is dealing with psychological issues well above and beyond simple "I just had to break up with someone boo hoo", and I think that's what she feels sorry for herself for.  That's my take, anyway.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #271 on: 09 Dec 2010, 02:24 »

Her neurosis, which I can only assume, as a sufferer of same, that she is at least somewhat self-conscious about, has caused her to drive away a man she really cares about.  She knows she was not thinking rationally and that is very upsetting, that loss of control.  She is dealing with psychological issues well above and beyond simple "I just had to break up with someone boo hoo", and I think that's what she feels sorry for herself for.  That's my take, anyway.

You're probably right, but that doesn't make the current dialogue any less self-oriented. It's almost like she's married her neuroses, and was cheating on them with Marten, and now the affair is over and she's going back to be with her mental equivalent of an abusive spouse, and that's somehow 'back to normal'. As I write this, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for her.

I'm also worried that Dora is going to 'move on' faster than Marten's prepared for. Notice she's not the one trying to visit blackoutland, and instead is focusing on getting on with the rest of her life. And Dora's really bad issues are Marten specific; they're not going to stop her from getting involved with someone else whenever she finds someone she likes. Marten, on the other hand, is probably developing NEW issues because of all this, I don't see him actually getting involved in a relationship for a long time, because he's lost all sense of control of his own life.

I'm reading too much into everything, and I can't freaking help it.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #272 on: 09 Dec 2010, 02:27 »

I too am heftily wondering where this is all going.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #273 on: 09 Dec 2010, 02:39 »

I'm reading too much into everything, and I can't freaking help it.

By no means - and from being in a somewhat similar situation (long ago), I think Marten's reaction is being well shown so far.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #274 on: 09 Dec 2010, 03:01 »

Her neurosis, which I can only assume, as a sufferer of same, that she is at least somewhat self-conscious about, has caused her to drive away a man she really cares about.  She knows she was not thinking rationally and that is very upsetting, that loss of control.  She is dealing with psychological issues well above and beyond simple "I just had to break up with someone boo hoo", and I think that's what she feels sorry for herself for.  That's my take, anyway.

You're probably right, but that doesn't make the current dialogue any less self-oriented. It's almost like she's married her neuroses, and was cheating on them with Marten, and now the affair is over and she's going back to be with her mental equivalent of an abusive spouse, and that's somehow 'back to normal'. As I write this, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for her.
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These two comments are both spot-on, in my humble opinion... But I would like to add that this is (probably) just the day after the breakup, and we shouldn't really expect anyone to react reasonably sane and rational just yet. Also, I like to think that rather soon there will be a little distance to the whole thing - and they will be able to be friends again.

Maybe these thoughts are just a projection of how I hope that real life will work... remember, I don't really have any experience with these matters.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #275 on: 09 Dec 2010, 03:14 »

I think she's just dealing with her shock at it being over (even if she did the deed) by attempting to narrow down what went wrong. And all she can see is herself

I don't think she's "married to her neuroses" and it isn't one specific issue you can plot on a map. Her experiences shape how she sees situations, and they have finally become a detriment to her. Yeah, she might seem self absorbed, because she, like everyone else in the world are when we are heart broken and we feel it's completely our fault.
She has ALWAYS liked Marten, you don't get over that quickly.      We'll totally see that come up.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #276 on: 09 Dec 2010, 03:19 »

I think that as the instigator, she may have been better prepared for this than Marten was, which is why she doesn't seem as broken up about it. She also may just be avoiding thinking about him, because it's too much right at the moment and she HAS to keep focused on her moving forward if only to cope and not just stay in bed bawling.

I think we will see someone who isn't Hanners bawling again sometime soon, mayhaps. I feel bad for both of them. :(
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #277 on: 09 Dec 2010, 03:24 »

princess and melville spin off?
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #278 on: 09 Dec 2010, 04:14 »

Whose IS it?

Pintsize    - 70 (59.8%)
Angus    - 1 (0.9%)
Sven    - 5 (4.3%)
Dora (?)    - 13 (11.1%)
Faye (??)    - 4 (3.4%)
Marigold (Huh)    - 1 (0.9%)
Winslow (!!!)    - 5 (4.3%)
Dale (Daaaaang.)    - 11 (9.4%)
Will    - 1 (0.9%)
Penelope (Huh??)    - 4 (3.4%)
New Customer Guy    - 2 (1.7%)

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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #279 on: 09 Dec 2010, 04:29 »

I'm reading too much into everything, and I can't freaking help it.

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princess and melville spin off?

Sleeping Beauty  meets Moby Dick?   Sounds like bad porn to me...

Oooohhhhh... you meant Mieville, and .... Pintsize?  That could be funny. 

Once or twice. 
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #280 on: 09 Dec 2010, 04:35 »

Princess is Sven's cat.   And there's nothing that a light haired cat likes more than snuggling up to someone's dark clothing.

Dora's wardrobe is pooched.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #281 on: 09 Dec 2010, 04:42 »

princess and melville spin off?
Not a spin-off, just a sub-theme, like "Pintsize and Winslow's wacky antics with Roomba" was for a while. Worked for S*P and GWS. :P
Of course that means major cross-over potential and the opportunity to link QC to Sandman by way of the Cats' dream.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #282 on: 09 Dec 2010, 05:16 »

I dunno man, I think "Dora's insecurities" was kind of a dumb reason for the two of them to break up. But like most "reasons" people break up, there's probably something else going on too. I guess we'll see if it sticks.

I'm also not sure if it really merit's Dora going to therapy. I mean, counseling isn't a bad idea in general or anything, but the fact that she felt less important than the (major theme of this comic for a few years) relationship between Martin and Faye almost sorta valid. I feel like Dora and Marten got together mostly because they were both just there, not because they were wildly compatible or anything.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #283 on: 09 Dec 2010, 05:31 »

Sven earns twelve Big-Brother Points.  He upgrades into "Decent Human Being" and gains the Empathy (level one) ability.



Idle speculation:
Faye is, apparently, out with Angus right now.  If she returns home and finds Hannelore babysitting an increasinly drunk and depressed Marten, she might not want to stick around and get in on the pity-party, especially if Marten's not being very good company right now.  And if she leaves, we don't need three guesses as to where she's likely to end up if not at her own apartment.  So, potentially good news for Angus?
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #284 on: 09 Dec 2010, 05:40 »

I'm also not sure if it really merit's Dora going to therapy. I mean, counseling isn't a bad idea in general or anything, but the fact that she felt less important than the (major theme of this comic for a few years) relationship between Martin and Faye almost sorta valid. I feel like Dora and Marten got together mostly because they were both just there, not because they were wildly compatible or anything.

They got together at Dora's instigation, because she found him attractive.  Probably those piercing blue eyes and black hair.  They remended her of someone else she'd been attracted to back in the early days of her "figuring it all out"...

And Sven has confirmed that she's got deep seated self-esteem issues, based on her previous relationships.  She's focusing on the fact that she scuttled this relationship, because it's new to her - she's never had one that didn't collapse because the other party was an asshole.  And focusing is helping her cope. 

Yeah, she'll need therapy.  And she'll be able to think of Marten soon enough.  Because no one's gonna let her not  do so.  At the very least, both Faye and Hanners have a way of getting their point across, and they'll keep her from blocking those feelings completely. 

I'm actually looking forward to seeing all this play out!
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #285 on: 09 Dec 2010, 05:45 »

princess and melville spin off?
Not a spin-off, just a sub-theme, like "Pintsize and Winslow's wacky antics with Roomba" was for a while. Worked for S*P and GWS. :P
Of course that means major cross-over potential and the opportunity to link QC to Sandman by way of the Cats' dream.

Ooh, does that mean Special Kitty, Choo-choo Bear and their brood could end up in a QC crossover?

I can see it now: Hannelore is cleaning her drain one day when a big pinkish blob of cat comes up through the drains...
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #286 on: 09 Dec 2010, 05:53 »

Poor girl, caught directly between her "cute kitty" reflex and her "Eeek! Goo!" reflex.


But yes.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #287 on: 09 Dec 2010, 06:25 »

Soap and hot water. Although you've got to have some cajones to be washing one out in the sink when you're living with roommates.

You mean like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caj%C3%B3n ?   :psyduck:

I know that pintsize is a bit of an a-hole, but that's.... that's just being plain mean, this is way to far for him.

(emphasis mine)

I thought it was supposed to be a vagi- ahaha, I see what you mean now.
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well, now regarding comic.... I wonder if this is the begining to a hard and painfull process to Dora, like it was for Faye.... Most certanly so, but why do i believe that she's going to suffer a lot more?
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #288 on: 09 Dec 2010, 06:32 »

well, now regarding comic.... I wonder if this is the begining to a hard and painfull process to Dora, like it was for Faye.... Most certanly so, but why do i believe that she's going to suffer a lot more?

...because Jeph is evil towards his characters?
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #289 on: 09 Dec 2010, 06:43 »

But no more than real life is evil towards real people, I think (with possible exceptions for wacky things like the anthroPCs).
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #290 on: 09 Dec 2010, 06:51 »

Exactly.  In real life, you can get chemical burns.  Nobody in QC has been hit with a bucket of acid yet.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #291 on: 09 Dec 2010, 07:04 »

Exactly.  In real life, you can get chemical burns.  Nobody in QC has been hit with a bucket of acid yet.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #292 on: 09 Dec 2010, 07:07 »

It's almost like she's married her neuroses, and was cheating on them with Marten, and now the affair is over and she's going back to be with her mental equivalent of an abusive spouse, and that's somehow 'back to normal'. As I write this, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for her.
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #293 on: 09 Dec 2010, 08:46 »

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Sven earns twelve Big-Brother Points.  He upgrades into "Decent Human Being" and gains the Empathy (level one) ability.

BZZZT.

Sven has, in the past (too damn lazy to link), shown empathy and consideration towards Dora. Interestingly, he's been trying to show/develop both empathy and consideration for the feelings of others (Think his discussions with Marten, his discussion with Will, his lack of 'play' whilst reading in the Horrible Revelation)

These are not new abilities, though in the past they have been Decent Human Being (Dora), and Empathy (Dora).
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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #294 on: 09 Dec 2010, 11:30 »

Yeah, this is really cute and all, it's genuinely touching, but I'd like to see just a smidge of concern for Marten. Really, Dora does not have any sort of right to feel sorry for herself, no one had any input or control over this besides her, and if she had gotten any advice from any of her friends, they'd have told her not to, or at least told her to do it way different.

I can assume she feels guilty over how much she hurt Marten right now, but it's not being shown. It really does feel like now that she's broken up with him, he no longer exists, and it's just poor little Dora alone in the world. It's only been a day, but it seems like she's 'gotten over' Marten the person already, and is only grieving for the way her life was before she decided to change it.


I may change my mind later depending on what happens, but that's how I feel about it right now too.

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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #295 on: 09 Dec 2010, 12:00 »

It's almost like she's married her neuroses, and was cheating on them with Marten, and now the affair is over and she's going back to be with her mental equivalent of an abusive spouse, and that's somehow 'back to normal'. As I write this, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for her.
Get rid of the almost, and you've got it. Continuing the relationship with Marten meant giving up her insecurities—he out-and-out said that, pretty much, after the Underpants Incident. To quote Amy Lee*, Dora prefers (hopefully preferred, but she hasn't actually changed anything yet) to 'stay in love with her sorrow,' or, to be more accurate, to continue in the state of mind she's developed over the years rather than take a chance on changing, even if it meant she'd be happy. This is not uncommon. If you really pay attention, you'll be shocked at how many people prefer to suffer loss, pain, and suffering, and how much of it, rather than change the way they interact with the world. It's one of the core things Flannery O'Connor, for one, writes about (as do many Southern writers from the U.S., as behaving this way seems to be even more popular here than elsewhere). As I've said, it's Dora's tragedy, and it may become Marten's, too, since it's not that unusual for such a person to make those closest to them began to suffer from mental problems, too. Not that Marten may not already have his own, but it's entirely possible Dora unintentionally made them worse. It's like unto a contagion.

I think that as the instigator, she may have been better prepared for this than Marten was, which is why she doesn't seem as broken up about it. She also may just be avoiding thinking about him, because it's too much right at the moment and she HAS to keep focused on her moving forward if only to cope and not just stay in bed bawling.

I think we will see someone who isn't Hanners bawling again sometime soon, mayhaps. I feel bad for both of them. :(

Well, yes. Dora's only been saying their relationship was temporary for what, a thousand strips or so? I can't recall when she first did it (I'm sure some else will oblidge my indolent posterior and look it up), but it's been quite a while. It's also been pretty clear Marten, for all someone accused him of not committing to the relationship, thought differently. (Sorry, but that still sticks in my craw).

And Marten's been bawling already.

Sven earns twelve Big-Brother Points.  He's begining to upgrade into "Decent Human Being" and threatening to gain the Empathy (level one) ability.

Idle speculation:
Faye is, apparently, out with Angus right now.  If she returns home and finds Hannelore babysitting an increasinly drunk and depressed Marten, she might not want to stick around and get in on the pity-party, especially if Marten's not being very good company right now.  And if she leaves, we don't need three guesses as to where she's likely to end up if not at her own apartment.  So, potentially good news for Angus?

Fixed that first part.  :-D Seriously, I give Sven credit for this and all the other demonstrations of being a real person lately, but I suspect Sven-boy's going to get really tested soon, and I want to see how he comes through that before I stamp the DHB on his forehead. Which, for some reason, seems to have shrunk in this strip.

Angus may profit, but I do hope you're not inferring he thrives on others' misfortunes. He doesn't seem to be that sort of fellow to me. Nor is Faye, for all her abrasiveness and frequent dickery, a bailer. Except, of course, on herself—always on herself.

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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #296 on: 09 Dec 2010, 12:38 »

I agree about Faye - it's more her attitude to give Marten a swift one, or take the partying out of the depths of pity (and into drunken shennanigans?) than to simply leave Hanners to babysit Mr. Morose.  He's her best friend, she's not going to leave him like that. 

And even though she's with Angus right now, and the option of dallying with Angus awhile may be more attractive than dealing with Marten in the depths of his cups, she'd feel lie she was abandoning him if she didn't go check on him during his first post-breakup night. 

I'm more curious as to whether she'll bring Angus along - will the sight of the new lovebirds drive Marten over the edge?  Will a bro to talk to (other than Steve) help?  Angus has been there - Faye was "rebound sass" - and commiseration is good for the soul... 

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Re: WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
« Reply #297 on: 09 Dec 2010, 12:42 »

You guys think she's with Angus? I figured she was still at the shop; she came after Dora so she's probably closing tonight.
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« Reply #298 on: 09 Dec 2010, 12:45 »

Has anyone made the obligatory "OMIGRW!  DORA/SVEN OTP" post yet?
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« Reply #299 on: 09 Dec 2010, 12:46 »

Now I'm really confused. Why does Pintsize have or need Sven's WiFi? Doesn't he have his own built-in uplink?

And no, Dr. ROFLPWN, for Hanners, the chain that dare not speak its name may well be Taco Bell. Of course, it could just as easily be McDonald's. I remember waaayyy back when  someone put out a rumor that McD's 'supplemented thier protein,' as it were, with earthworms. I recall this because my grandfather bought it hook, line and sinker. Ah-hah Ahahaha. Anyway, we couldn't pass under the Arches when we were with him, which was altogether a terrible thing to do to an eight-year-old.



I (sarcastically humorously) meant the Fleshligth   :-P


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