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9 (7.6%)

"You're a terrible influence, alcohol-induced hallucination."

18 (15.1%)

Where's Faye's Bra?

7 (5.9%)

Some kind of creepy trophy...

1 (0.8%)

Sheer Intensity of Makeouts?

4 (3.4%)

Quantum Tunnelling effect

9 (7.6%)

Please tell me you did not drink that entire bottle

0 (0%)

That was a terrible idea.

3 (2.5%)

At least ONE of us isn't gonna remember this in the morning.

15 (12.6%)

Did I say anything stupid last night? No, you were fine.

6 (5%)

OWLS. Owls? OWLS.

38 (31.9%)

So, do you want me to kill Dora for you?

6 (5%)

Love you too, mom.

3 (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 100

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

I was going to say it, but Yellowstone beat me to it. She looks more matronly this way, though. I miss her red necklace, but one's outfits change, of course.

[pwhodges]

I think any complaints have to be directed at the earlier art style for making her look like she was in her 30s.

Marianne Faithful's mother was still getting wolf-whistles (remember them?) in the street in her late 50s.

[Overkillengine]

@Overkillengine: So, the best way for Marten to start taking control of his life and asserting himself more is to insult, slut-shame, and belittle his best friend? Is that what you're saying?

(The idea that Faye is a malignant parasite is so laughable I won't even engage it, so if that's the crux of your thought...welp.)

No, but thanks for the assumption.  Made me feel warm and fuzzy!

It's not the best step, but it is at least a step at all.

Even if unjustified, the outburst can be reflecting something he's been feeling. And being able to express something (however negatively) at all, is an improvement over just sitting on it until it comes out in a truly destructive manner.

[Overkillengine]

Then why bring it up, if that's not how you want  to be considered?

Probably because it's funny.

At least to me. I can't promise to please everyone else.

a passive doormat (AKA "Nice Guy").

This stereotype is being waved around far too much it seems to me; in any case, "Nice Guy" is used in so many rather contradictory ways that it fails even as a stereotype.

Shrug. Closest fit. I could have typed up an entire paragraph, or in the interests of brevity, used a simple phrase that maybe not perfectly describes a fictional character's traits as it relates to real world social dynamics. (Yes, using big words make me feel smartier)

[iduguphergrave]

In the last panel Marten's reaching back to slip a note into his mother's hand with Sven's address and details about Dora's routine on it. He just didn't want possible witnesses hearing him tell   Veronica that he wanted Dora dead; that would make him an accomplice!

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

Clever boy. [/Muldoon]

[O8h7w]

In the last panel Marten's reaching back to slip a note into his mother's hand with Sven's address and details about Dora's routine on it. He just didn't want possible witnesses hearing him tell   Veronica that he wanted Dora dead; that would make him an accomplice!

About your hilarious theories, my dear iduguphergrave, I don't know whether I should call them the worst or the best... 

[snubnose]

Hey, already Martens mom. I didnt expected her this week.


Yeah, the artwork is ... very different this time. Much less attractive, too.


And joking about murder is all fine, but Martens mon seems to be serious, which, to be honest, makes it way unfunny.


Also, I am highly irritated by people who believe alcohol would be a truth serum. Its a poison that shuts off important parts of your brain, the more you drink.

And right the first one to go is your good judgement, really.

As a result, you get all kinds of stupid ideas. Including really stupid interpretations of your current situation. I dont consider those ideas "truth". Unless you are very negative about life in general, of course.

Juicers? That's a new one to me. 

Me too. Makes little sense, too.

[Delator]

Marten's expression in the last panel is pure gold.

First Faye, then his mom...

...I think Dora still owes Marten free baked goods. He did save her life twice.

[hannahsaurusrex]

I think we were expecting laugh lines, not cheek indentations.

[Akima]

I've been in this kind of place before. He needs to get rid of Faye. She will only cause him pain, and eventually, will go off with whomever she thinks she should be with at a time convenient for HER instead of him. He will then never hear from her again. His life is on hold until then. Dora was right after all. Faye is a parasite on Marten's good nature. It's very hard to turn your back on someone you want to love so badly, but he has to do it for his own good.

Wow, everything is clear to me now. Y'know, I think you should so have this passage printed on little cards with your name and contact number on the other side, and hand them out to girls you're interested in. Encourage your friends to get sets printed too, to hand out to their prospective security-blankets...

Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

[Carl-E]

Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

Hey, if you want something done right...

[snubnose]

Yay, Faye's scar...

Please, please, save me having to re-read 1700 strips and remind me where that comes from?  I was going to ask, but you seem to know.

Well, purely from memory: Faye's scar is a reoccuring theme of many strips.

It first appeared somewhen around 300 and 400, before the big relevation in 500. It then appeared another or even two times before said relevation, each time Faye was explaining more about it. Turns out she had a car accident when she had a nervous breakdown. And in the big relevation of 500, she explains why she had said breakdown.

[...] Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

Honestly ? I doubt that. She's the kind of person that would do that one herself. And ENJOY it. Hannermom wouldnt want to get catched and wouldnt accept to go to jail, though.

[akronnick]

Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

Hell, she may even be the assassin Hannermom would call.

[O8h7w]

This thread may break the record for hilarious theories...

[iduguphergrave]

Hey, already Martens mom. I didnt expected her this week.


Yeah, the artwork is ... very different this time. Much less attractive, too.

Yeah it's almost like she's an aging woman or something.

People were saying this during the broadcast too and it irks me; Jeph's able to draw her more how he sees her in her head, and it's realistic. How do you all think you're going to look when you're in your 50's? (I think it's reasonable to think that's where her age is) Cut the woman some slack.

And for the record, she looks fine to me.

[StevenC]

That was one page ago, but there is something I want to say about that

You may want to take your own advice and go back to the very beginning of the comic, read the first, oh, 500 strips or so and then come back and seriously post that Marten did not start off in the comic as the stereotypical Nice Guy.

Isn't one of the defining features of the Nice Guy (as opposed to the nice guy) that he wants romantic interest from a woman who is only interested in him platonically?  If so, then I can't agree with your assessment, because it's made very clear that Faye was interested in Marten romantically.  It didn't work out due to her issues, and they've both moved on from that romantic interest.  Still, there's a big difference between thinking that a platonic friend owes you romantic interest, and hoping that a romantic friend will one day overcome her issues and pursue a functional relationship with you.  Only the former is creepy; the latter is, at worse, hopelessly optimistic.

Citation time!
#64 - Steve is convinced that Faye is interested in Marten
#83 - Dora is convinced that Faye is interested in Marten
#118 - Faye creatively dodges the question of whether or not she's interested in Marten
#220 - Faye gets upset when Marten goes out with Dora on the double date with Steve and Ellen
#567 - Faye tells Marten that she's upset by the fact that it's him and Dora who wound up together, not him and herself

You should distinguish between someone "wanting romantic interest from a platonic friend" and someone "expecting romantic interest from a platonic friend / thinking the other person owes you that"

I think many if not most people at least once fell in love with a good friend already. The difference here between the two things is the first will accept if the other person just wants to be a friend (even though he/she probably can't just shut off his/her feelings for the other one) while the second won't accept it, maybe start yelling, cut off contact or whatever else.

Aside from that, I agree that Faye did have romantic feelings for him and just didn't do anything because of her issues.

[Pika_power]

Hey, already Martens mom. I didnt expected her this week.


Yeah, the artwork is ... very different this time. Much less attractive, too.

Yeah it's almost like she's an aging woman or something.

People were saying this during the broadcast too and it irks me; Jeph's able to draw her more how he sees her in her head, and it's realistic. How do you all think you're going to look when you're in your 50's? (I think it's reasonable to think that's where her age is) Cut the woman some slack.

That'd be a fair enough argument, but it's previously been stated by characters in-strip that she's attractive. Yes, she's not bad for someone who's 50-60. She's supposed to look good enough for Dora to still find her attractive. Considering she's still a porn star, it's not ridiculous to expect her to still look good. So far, that's assuming we haven't seen her before. But we have, and in the strips we did see, she was looking significantly better.

[snubnose]

To me the definition of a "nice guy" is a guy who is only interested in longtime, true relationships, and not interested in one night stands and such.

Another term I heard for this kind of basic behavior is "real man". In contrast to the playBOY.

[Olymander]

Hey, already Martens mom. I didnt expected her this week.


Yeah, the artwork is ... very different this time. Much less attractive, too.

Yeah it's almost like she's an aging woman or something.

People were saying this during the broadcast too and it irks me; Jeph's able to draw her more how he sees her in her head, and it's realistic. How do you all think you're going to look when you're in your 50's? (I think it's reasonable to think that's where her age is) Cut the woman some slack.

And for the record, she looks fine to me.

She looks mostly fine to me, the only thing I find bugging me is that her cheeks seem a little too puffed out.  Basically her face looks a little fat.  If they weren't quite so puffy, I'd be happier.  But that's just an aesthetic nitpick.

[cesariojpn]

Holy shit, what the hell happened to Veronica Vance?

Yeah it's almost like she's an aging woman or something.

People were saying this during the broadcast too and it irks me; Jeph's able to draw her more how he sees her in her head, and it's realistic. How do you all think you're going to look when you're in your 50's? (I think it's reasonable to think that's where her age is) Cut the woman some slack.

And for the record, she looks fine to me.

To compare:

* Porn Actress and "Sexpert" Nina Hartley is 51. Of course, she didn't quite look her best in the Surrender of O, but I digress........
* Porn Star and Fetish Model Ashley Renee is 45. (NSFW link!!)
* Porn Star Ona Zee is 56.

...and thats the three oldest BDSM/Fetish folks that I can figure off the top of my head right now over 45. I think Veronica has let herself go abit.

[Odin]

To me the definition of a "nice guy" is a guy who is only interested in longtime, true relationships, and not interested in one night stands and such.

Another term I heard for this kind of basic behavior is "real man". In contrast to the playBOY.

Did you not bother to read the articles I linked in the other "Nice Guy" discussion that was earlier in this thread? Here they are again, anyway, with some extras!

Here's a self-professed Nice Guy's convenient website for hilarious misogyny: http://www.the-niceguy.com/

And here is a nice, compiled listing of essays and articles from the other side of the issue: http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/ng.shtml

She looks mostly fine to me, the only thing I find bugging me is that her cheeks seem a little too puffed out.  Basically her face looks a little fat.  If they weren't quite so puffy, I'd be happier.  But that's just an aesthetic nitpick.

Do her cheek bones make her face resemble those old dolls that are stored in glass jars with cork caps to anyone else?

[LeeC]

the only reason people arnt happy with VV's new look are those who wanted a fanservice and are fap happy.

[Border Reiver]

Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

Hey, if you want something done right...

You hire a professional. 

Amateurs might get it right, but more often than not screw something up.

Think back to your last home improvement job....or tax return.

[muscardinus]

As a result, you get all kinds of stupid ideas. Including really stupid interpretations of your current situation. I dont consider those ideas "truth". Unless you are very negative about life in general, of course.

I agree, and I think that what Martin said was based on truth, but interpreted in the worst possible way. And I highly doubt that he really thinks of the situation this way.

Marten's expression in the last panel is pure gold.

First Faye, then his mom...

...I think Dora still owes Marten free baked goods. He did save her life twice.

I think the next poll should be "Who will threaten Dora with violence/death next ?" 

[Carl-E]

Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

Hey, if you want something done right...

You hire a professional. 

Amateurs might get it right, but more often than not screw something up.

Think back to your last home improvement job....or tax return.

I do both myself, thank you.  I do  need to redo the kitchen floor again, though - the dog decided to try to dig up the tiles in the corner...

[Border Reiver]

Generally I do as well, but let's face it there are some things that a lot people make mistakes in and assassination is one of them. 

[ducktape]

Generally I do as well, but let's face it there are some things that a lot people make mistakes in and assassination is one of them. 

Yes. Assassination is one of those things that should be labeled "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME UNLESS YOU ARE A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL" on TV.

[tbones]

Still Marten's mom was thinking of an amateur job, do it, and give herself in, so no one would suspect on Marten.... If she was a pro, she would do it so no one ever discovered the real victimary.
"The perfect crime is not the one that goes unsolved, but the one that is solved with the wrong culprit." <- that's from a book, but i don't recall the title of it...

Here's a self-professed Nice Guy's convenient website for hilarious misogyny: http://www.the-niceguy.com/

Is that site serious? I get that it's all a joke right? Please tell me it's a joke.

[Odin]

Still Marten's mom was thinking of an amateur job, do it, and give herself in, so no one would suspect on Marten.... If she was a pro, she would do it so no one ever discovered the real victimary.
"The perfect crime is not the one that goes unsolved, but the one that is solved with the wrong culprit." <- that's from a book, but i don't recall the title of it...

Here's a self-professed Nice Guy's convenient website for hilarious misogyny: http://www.the-niceguy.com/

Is that site serious? I get that it's all a joke right? Please tell me it's a joke.

That dude was 100% serious at the time he created the website, you missed out on all the original internet drama when it was first posted.

[Coco]

Holy shit, what the hell happened to Veronica Vance?

Yeah it's almost like she's an aging woman or something.

People were saying this during the broadcast too and it irks me; Jeph's able to draw her more how he sees her in her head, and it's realistic. How do you all think you're going to look when you're in your 50's? (I think it's reasonable to think that's where her age is) Cut the woman some slack.

And for the record, she looks fine to me.

I think Veronica has let herself go abit.

Let's not forget that VV has just gotten off of what was likely a red eye flight from the west coast to the east coast. I don't know about you but my face is usually a little puffy after a night of poor and uncomfortable sleep. She probably is also wearing less than her normal amount of make-up, just threw on her lipstick before she got off the plane. There is also now scientific confirmation we are less attractive when we have not had enough sleep. I'll wait to judge until shes spent a night in a hotel and had a shower.

It's a bit unfair to compare her to pictures of models that you pulled off the net. I didn't look at them because I'm at work, but chances are they have had a professional make-up job done, professional hair, and have been airbrushed to the point where their own children won't recognize them.

[GeoffTheLlama]

Dear Ms. Vance,

I love you and wish you were my mom.

Love,
Me

[jwhouk]

My first thought, honestly: "Wow, she doesn't look as good since we last saw her."

Then I recalled how Jeph drew the "old lady witch" back in the Cosette-is-cursed arc. And I figure that Ms. Reed is, very likely, somewhere in her 50's (if not pushing 60).

There is one thing I do notice, though - those eyes. In fact... (scrolling back through ye olde archives) compare that last panel to the first panel in this strip.



(quietly hoping I'm not throwing gasoline on the fire with that observation...)

[tbones]

There is one thing I do notice, though - those eyes. In fact... (scrolling back through ye olde archives) compare that last panel to the first panel in this strip.

Whoa, those eyes really look alike!!

That dude was 100% serious at the time he created the website, you missed out on all the original internet drama when it was first posted.

Oh, i'm glad i missed out all that. I just tried to read some of the post... And now i only feel like punching someone in the crotch.

[jwhouk]

Step 2 on the road back to Normalcy Recovery:

Pintsize/Winslow joke.    - 4 (3.6%)
Hannelore trying something new.    - 5 (4.5%)
Faye actually being NICE to a customer.    - 1 (0.9%)
Dora actually going to therapy.    - 22 (20%)
Marigold emerging from her Cataclysm-induced hermit cave.    - 15 (13.6%)
Yelling Bird!    - 2 (1.8%)
Randy vs. Shelby!    - 4 (3.6%)
Cosette has her hand in a cast - but why?    - 4 (3.6%)
Tai visits with Dora - and Dora shuts her down.    - 3 (2.7%)
Mom finally shows up.    - 41 (37.3%)
Steve finally shows up.    - 7 (6.4%)
Other (within reason, of course).    - 2 (1.8%)

Total Voters: 110

[jwhouk]

<snip>
Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

I'm afraid to ask how you know that phrase...

[Boomslang]

I think the key thing that I find different about her appearance is that she looks less like Marten than she did before.

Granted, he's the spitting image of his dad. It's just she looks more like, say, Penelope, than her own child.

[jwhouk]

I think the next poll should be "Who will threaten Dora with violence/death next ?" 

Nice try for a newbie. I think we might go with that for next week's WCDT.

[muscardinus]

I think the next poll should be "Who will threaten Dora with violence/death next ?" 

Nice try for a newbie. I think we might go with that for next week's WCDT.

Thanks. I've been reading QC since forever, but tried to avoid the forums intill a few weeks ago. But now I can't stay away. This discussions are like a soup-opera 

[Mr_Rose]

<snip>
Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

I'm afraid to ask how you know that phrase...

...there are people that don't know that one?

[jwhouk]

(Hangs head in shame)

Yes.

[GeoffTheLlama]

Yes. Assassination is one of those things that should be labeled "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME UNLESS YOU ARE A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL" on TV.

That would be the best infomercial ever.

[snubnose]

(Hangs head in shame)

Yes.

(Also hangs his head in shame)

But ... but ... I'm not a native english speaker, after all !

[pwhodges]

Don't worry, I know a bit of English^TM, and that one's passed me by as well until now.

[Odin]

<snip>
Marten's Mum on the other hand is made of deadpan-humour win. That's real mother love; she's ready to get "wet". Hannermom would just hire an assassin.

I'm afraid to ask how you know that phrase...

...there are people that don't know that one?

Not everyone has watched, well, any of the hundreds of spy movies ever made, you know.

[kent_eh]

Hey, already Martens mom. I didnt expected her this week.


Yeah, the artwork is ... very different this time. Much less attractive, too.

Yeah it's almost like she's an aging woman or something.

People were saying this during the broadcast too and it irks me; Jeph's able to draw her more how he sees her in her head, and it's realistic. How do you all think you're going to look when you're in your 50's? (I think it's reasonable to think that's where her age is) Cut the woman some slack.

That'd be a fair enough argument, but it's previously been stated by characters in-strip that she's attractive. Yes, she's not bad for someone who's 50-60. She's supposed to look good enough for Dora to still find her attractive. Considering she's still a porn star, it's not ridiculous to expect her to still look good. So far, that's assuming we haven't seen her before. But we have, and in the strips we did see, she was looking significantly better.

Of course she did just get off a hastily planned overnight flight from the other side of the country.
And she's been worrying about her boy for the past ... what 12-18 hours?

Let's see anyone look their best after that

[pwhodges]

Not everyone has watched, well, any of the hundreds of spy movies ever made, you know.

Astounding fact of the day:- not all spy movies contain that phrase!

[Coco]

Wasn't that phrase part of the trailers for the Bruce Willis, Morgan Freeman etc. movie that came out a few months ago? Where Bruce says Helen Mirren is the best wet worker in the business? I would think most people with a television in their home would know the phrase after how heavily that s**t show movie was marketed.

[Monkey Says Yes]

I just read yesterday's comics and today's, and I must agree that Faye looks great in panel 2.  Very cool angle.

[tbones]

 

Wasn't that phrase part of the trailers for the Bruce Willis, Morgan Freeman etc. movie that came out a few months ago? Where Bruce says Helen Mirren is the best wet worker in the business? I would think most people with a television in their home would know the phrase after how heavily that s**t show movie was marketed.

RED was it, right? Yeah i think i heard in the trailers but when i watched here, but i saw the translated version (sic), and when they mention it, they said "trabajo húmedo", something that sounds more like "moist job". I think i almost died while chocking on my laughter (<-- does that makes sense???)