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Most existing Star Wars threads on this board are specific to a certain movie or show. I'm starting this thread to give us a place to discuss things like the broader direction of the franchise under its new management. The upcoming changes that are widely rumoured on the Internet and other general Star Wars stuff.

To start, has anyone else heard rumours of the 'Sequel Redo' with George Lucas at the helm? I'm a bit ambivalent at that because Lucas, whilst a great storyteller, is only a fair director and, unless someone is leaning over his shoulder and keeping him focussed, his projects do tend to wander a bit and get bogged down in long-winded expository monologues. One also has to wonder if Disney has the money for such a project right now.

Secondly, plese enjoy the following fan trailer for Episode IV.

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GOtta love the fan film battle inserts :)
Vader on fire is pretty groovy!
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Wonder whether Disney has the money?

Disney will own my underwear drawer before the end of the week. I think they'd be able to if they felt like it.

However I cannot imagine a more redunant idea than doing a remake of the Star Wars sequels :psyduck:

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However I cannot imagine a more redunant idea than doing a remake of the Star Wars sequels :psyduck:

Apparently, Lucas's story for episodes 7-9 bear very little similarity to what J J Abrams and Rian Johnson gave us. Almost the only point of commonality is that Luke's current Padawan Learner is a powerful girl of uncertain heritage called 'Rey'.
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However I cannot imagine a more redunant idea than doing a remake of the Star Wars sequels :psyduck:

Apparently, Lucas's story for episodes 7-9 bear very little similarity to what J J Abrams and Rian Johnson gave us. Almost the only point of commonality is that Luke's current Padawan Learner is a powerful girl of uncertain heritage called 'Rey'.

Do we really need a Star Wars Kelvin timeline?

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I think it's interesting that you should mention that because I think that there are a lot of similar commercial and artistic motivations. The Kelvin Timeline exists because J J Abrams wanted to be able to tell stories in a Star Trek-like universe without being too limited by three decades of franchise canon plus several tonnes of official supporting material. The Abrams/Johnson Sequel Trilogy had a lot of the same pressures on it: Wanting to have a distinct and clear 'Disney Star Wars' universe separate from but tangentially connected to the classic stories so that original tales could be told without being too limited by existing canon.

It seems that a lot of the same problems have also been encountered by Disney that have also been encountered by Paramount and CBS: The majority of the fan base wants stuff in line with the existing canon and response to the 'updated' universes that have been presented in the last decade or so has been increasingly lukewarm. I'm not sure what Trek's position is but I understand that Disney Star Wars is barely breaking even and may even be running at a deficit, so a radical change of direction is definitely necessary for Disney. Redoing three entire main thread films from scratch would be a hugely radical and enormously risky step, I agree. A lot depends on just how desperate Disney is to rebuild bridges with the majority of the Star Wars fan-base.

FWIW, the rumour is that the redo of the Sequel Trilogy is Lucas's condition for replacing Kathleen Kennedy and 'saving Star Wars'. I don't know how true that might be. Personally, given that he seems to have personally 'anointed' Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni as his chosen successors and heirs, I would be more inclined to give him an advisory role and give them the responsibility to move the franchise forwards. Clone Wars, Rebels and The Mandelorian suggest that they have what it takes.
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However I cannot imagine a more redunant idea than doing a remake of the Star Wars sequels :psyduck:

Apparently, Lucas's story for episodes 7-9 bear very little similarity to what J J Abrams and Rian Johnson gave us. Almost the only point of commonality is that Luke's current Padawan Learner is a powerful girl of uncertain heritage called 'Rey'.

I strongly suspect that this is an exaggeration, though I don't doubt there are major differences. There is a gulf between idea and final screenplay across all the SW films, is there not?

Also, my understanding is that the concept of an older Luke dismayed by an ex-student is a much older concept than the two directors of the trilogy.

https://twitter.com/PhilSzostak/status/943965533623304194
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At the risk of  turning this thread into a fan-film rec thread, I found this one today and I fell in love:

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Well this was announced today!



We're getting a Rogue Squadron TV show!
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We're getting a Rogue Squadron movie. Ahsoka's getting expanded into a full series (and Thrwan is likely to be the big bad). Andor looks promising (if nothing else, Diego Luna is having the time of his life). Lando series (staring Donald Glover? We can hope). Hayden Christensen back to play Vader in the Kenobi series (somewhat unsure of that one, but I'm curious what he'll do when not beholden to Lucas's direction). Then there's the rest.

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Why, if George Lucas wants to redo the Disney triology, I'd say sure, knock yourself out.

As a YouTuber (Shadiversty) stated recently, the Disney triology isnt actually canon anyway. Its just poor fanfiction. Thats how I see it, too.

The first of these movies was bad enough, being nothing more than a variation of the original movie A New Hope. But the other two movies have been plothole galore. And they destroyed the original characters, too.

I bet 95% of the people reading this posting could do better than that. And so can George Lucas.

Personally I never objected to the prequels. I dont even dislike Jar Jar Binks. So you really cannot claim I'm an overly critical watcher. But the Disney triology is utter garbage, makes no sense whatsoever, and is highly disrespectful to the originals.

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Any idea what 'Rangers of the New Republic' might be like? I'm sort of hoping for something about an elite military/police unit of the New Republic Armed Forces who have a variety of adventures protecting people from pirates, criminal syndicates, the Imperial Remnant and various other bad people without having to resort to flashy Space Magic Powers.

"We're nothing compared to you, Master Skywalker!"

"Maybe, but there are more of you than there are of us. That means that you can do more good for far more people than we ever could hope to!"
 -- Quote I'd love to see at the end of the pilot episode
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I am curious if Rogue Squadron is going to be like the novel series where its reformed post DS2, or if its going to be the original Rogue Squadron with Commander Skywalker from post IV-pre VI.

Its probably the former but either would be awesome!

Rangers is kind of up in the air, but I imagine it will be a cowboy-esque series that resembles the Arizona and Texas Rangers of the Old West. If it turns out to be the New Republic's Imperial Remanent Hunting team, that would be cool too.
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I think it's supposed to be Cara Dune's series, but we'll see if she gets it. A lot of folks are speaking out against her and Disney might not want to take the hit of giving her her own series
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As a YouTuber (Shadiversty) stated recently, the Disney triology isnt actually canon anyway. Its just poor fanfiction. Thats how I see it, too.

The first of these movies was bad enough, being nothing more than a variation of the original movie A New Hope. But the other two movies have been plothole galore. And they destroyed the original characters, too.

Oh, yeah, let's get into this discussion again. That would be great. I would love that.
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I think it's supposed to be Cara Dune's series, but we'll see if she gets it. A lot of folks are speaking out against her and Disney might not want to take the hit of giving her her own series

I think that Ms Dune's place is safe enough. Disney seems to have made a policy decision of late that it is no longer playing the political game and just going to create the shows and movies that it can sell to the largest possible audience and including the most bankable stars, no matter what their Internet reputation.
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I can't wait to see some gritty rebellion actions pre-episode 4 (no offense Rebels).

Also the video is misleading, its not really a trailer of the show so much as a brief look behind the scenes as a trailer.

Patty Jenkins also had a small video posted about Rogue Squadrons:
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I think it's supposed to be Cara Dune's series, but we'll see if she gets it. A lot of folks are speaking out against her and Disney might not want to take the hit of giving her her own series

I think that Ms Dune's place is safe enough. Disney seems to have made a policy decision of late that it is no longer playing the political game and just going to create the shows and movies that it can sell to the largest possible audience and including the most bankable stars, no matter what their Internet reputation.

Or, since it could easily be significantly before/after The Mandalorian, they might just recast with another physically imposing woman if Carano doesn't learn to keep the more odious/idiotic of her opinions to herself. I imagine that, after the Rise of Skywalker and Gunn fiascos, the mouse didn't learn to reject internet opinions completely so much as raise the level of "the internet must be this pissed off for us to care" above the normal noise floor of bloviating bloggers.
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Rogue Shark Productions have just announced their second film, The Mauraders' Gauntlet. It doesn't look like it's a direct sequel to 'The Lost Patrol' but the early FX shots and creature effects already shown on their YouTube channel certainly catch the eye.

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Gina Carano will not be appearing in the third season of the Mandolorian, having been fired by LucasArts for her behaviour on social media. The most recent incident was where she compared being a Republican to being a Jewish person during the Holocaust.
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Actually, that isn't what Lucasfilm's press release said at all. If anything, I understood that she'd been let go before this particular incident. Why? Because the story of Din Djarin and his friends has ended. We're moving onto Boba Fett now.

That said, yeah, she made it pretty much politically impossible to rehire her for future appearances of that group.
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Theres a Mando season 3 though... So Din's story isn't over yet.
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And there was supposed to be a Cara Dune centric series that ended up being cancelled late last year, precisely because of her behaviour on Twitter.

So Ben, read between the lines.
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However I cannot imagine a more redunant idea than doing a remake of the Star Wars sequels :psyduck:

Apparently, Lucas's story for episodes 7-9 bear very little similarity to what J J Abrams and Rian Johnson gave us. Almost the only point of commonality is that Luke's current Padawan Learner is a powerful girl of uncertain heritage called 'Rey'.

The original sequel trilogy (fucking hell I can't believe I just typed that) very badly lacks focus and was planned out far worse than any other movie (aside from Solo).

EDIT: avoiding double post.

I think it's interesting that you should mention that because I think that there are a lot of similar commercial and artistic motivations. The Kelvin Timeline exists because J J Abrams wanted to be able to tell stories in a Star Trek-like universe without being too limited by three decades of franchise canon plus several tonnes of official supporting material. The Abrams/Johnson Sequel Trilogy had a lot of the same pressures on it: Wanting to have a distinct and clear 'Disney Star Wars' universe separate from but tangentially connected to the classic stories so that original tales could be told without being too limited by existing canon.

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But they have so much to work with already with SW and they just want to cast it all away save a few names and nostalgia beats? They could have easily worked well within what already was and could have done their own take just fine. Rogue One was probably my favorite of the recent-ish Star Wars movies mostly by virtue of it actually having a solid coherent story to tell on top of it's strengths.

That's kind of the thing with why there's some incredibly disappointing works that try to establish themselves as part of the original Oz books mythos (Oz the Great and Powerful). They try to add a bunch of new stuff while all but ignoring what's already there to work with.
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Signal-Boosting a brilliant audio-visual essay on the alternative nature of heroes, heroism and good as exemplified by Luke Skywaker in the Star Wars original trilogy. I, at least, came away from this acknowledging that maybe I didn't understand the story that Lucas was telling with the Skywalker Saga anywhere near as well as I thought.

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