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Benny Hill/Monty python/Blackadder marathon

17 (21%)

Really decent jam session

41 (50.6%)

Tray sledding

12 (14.8%)

Bad movie night

11 (13.6%)

Total Members Voted: 75

[Blackjoker]

Ah pintsize, he means well...which makes it all the creepier in some ways.

[Border Reiver]

Can't think of a poll for today, so I'm leaving yesterday's one up. 

In addition to hanging my head in shame.

[Odin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_stripper

There are enough of both scattered throughout various clubs/pubs/theaters around the country for it to be considered common/easy to find either one.

This is the kind of Wikipedia article that gives the project a bad name - full of vague generalizations, and a big banner across the top that says it needs verification! 

It's no more than someone's opinion, as are all your other statements on the topic.  If you're going to use it as proof, you may as well torpedo your own argument! 

There really is a gender division here, not to mention the regional differences, and saying it isn't so doesn't make it the way you say! 

I now await your predictably abrasive rebuttal. 

I used Wikipedia only because every single other link that came up through a Google search went to strip club forums which are, as I'm sure you're aware, hilariously NWS and I'm not linking to them here. Wikipedia is pretty much all that is left.

As for abrasiveness here you go: You are hilariously out of touch with the types of clubs in pretty much any urban area in the country if you think there are not equal amounts of both male and female strippers to cater to both women and men, respectively. Stop being a moron.

[Antario]

Can't think of a poll for today, so I'm leaving yesterday's one up. 

In addition to hanging my head in shame.

something about strippers, spooning, pintsize being creepy

cmon its not that hard

[Odin]

Can't think of a poll for today, so I'm leaving yesterday's one up. 

In addition to hanging my head in shame.

something about strippers, spooning, pintsize being creepy

cmon its not that hard

Are you sure about that?

[Antario]

Can't think of a poll for today, so I'm leaving yesterday's one up. 

In addition to hanging my head in shame.

something about strippers, spooning, pintsize being creepy

cmon its not that hard

Are you sure about that?

giggity giggity giggity?

[Carl-E]

I used Wikipedia only because every single other link that came up through a Google search went to strip club forums which are, as I'm sure you're aware, hilariously NWS and I'm not linking to them here. Wikipedia is pretty much all that is left.

Understood, but it doesn't make it true! 

...with the types of clubs in pretty much any urban area in the country if you think there are not equal amounts of both male and female strippers to cater to both women and men, respectively.

I actually live in a mid sized urban area, slightly under 200K.  There are 7 strip clubs in town, and not one is ladies only.  Only one has a monthly "ladies' night".  I don't think I'm the one who's "out of touch"...

Stop being a moron.

Nice to know I can count on you! 

[Odin]

Clearly there is something wrong with the area you live in, then, because they're readily located where I live (rural West Georgia). I figure if a backwoods place like Georgia has them scattered around where women have no trouble finding them, pretty much everywhere in the country has them as well (you just don't know about them because you don't look for them).

[tughluq]

Stop being a moron.

pot kettle.

Both stripping and sex work are overwhelmingly aimed at a male audience. Women's bodies are typically treated as commodities, not those of men. Women are valued for their beauty, not men.

Hope that helps.

[Kugai]

Well, at least we know he's been repaired since last time.

Cump.


Ya gotta give Pintsize 9/10 for trying - with one point off for the creepiness.

[Is it cold in here?]

Pintsize cares.

(moderator)There is still a civility rule(/moderator).

[AnAverageWriter]

Glad to know that Pintsize is ok. I was worried about him there for a bit. Cump indeed.

[Murphoid]

I am kinda suprised that Marty didn't just run when he discovered he was in bed with Pintsize.

[Odin]

I am kinda suprised that Marty didn't just run when he discovered he was in bed with Pintsize.

You'd think that chassis would be really cold, too.

pot kettle.

Both stripping and sex work are overwhelmingly aimed at a male audience. Women's bodies are typically treated as commodities, not those of men. Women are valued for their beauty, not men.

Hope that helps.

Have you people have never heard of the ridiculously popular Chippendales? Or, you know, pretty much every bachelorette party ever and how easy it is to hire a male stripper for them? How is life in the 1950s?

This dumb idea that today's sex industry is entirely based on the objectification and abuse of women is hilariously outdated, not to mention wrong (I'll leave the correcting of this myth to you ever taking any of the human sexuality courses offered at any accredited college, or reading any given book on the subject like this short PDF report on the subject).

There are countless other books on the subject, both by former strippers/sex workers of both genders and multiple college professors (run a search on Amazon.com).

EDIT: I swear, something this obvious shouldn't have to be spelled out so clearly, it's almost like another forum I go to where people are seriously arguing that Sherman's army raped a million women during it's march to the sea. Completely false and based entirely on "traditional belief" information.

[Is it cold in here?]

Marten needs a stuffed animal.

Pintsize is probably warm from the heat of all his electronics.

[Nick and Marla]

words words words

So, you're saying the sex industry is aimed at women just as much as men? Sounds silly.

[pwhodges]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_stripper

So there's an article on male strippers.  However, the much bigger articles on strippers in general have only minimal reference to male strippers, suggesting that they are a modest minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strippers

In any case, Steve's suggestion in the comic was clearly for female strippers, so this is all rather beside the point here.

[Black Sword]

What a depressing note to end the week on. I really didn't need to remember how much it sucks to learn how to sleep alone again.

[Tobimaro]

I mean I guess it's a little creepy but still d'awwwww 

I think your definition of "a little creepy" and mine are slightly different. 

I think we're all just secretly jealous we don't have a little robot to cuddle with at night.

For those of us who do not have that kind of budget, there is always using something made of vinyl.  

I think I need some bleach now.  

[Heliphyneau]

Wow, I'm not even touching the stripper argument (touching is against the rules anyway  ), but some of you guys are seriously uptight about the Pintsize spooning!  Is it semi-creepy?  Sure -- it's Pintsize, after all.  But it's also cute and kinda funny.  He's helping!  Ineffectually, as usual, but his intentions seem non-malicious.  So what are you worried about?  Pintsize is a tiny sentient robot with no genitalia -- not even eels!  And he seems to genuinely want Marty to cheer up.

As a follow-up thought, despite feeling sad for Marten, Pintsize might actually be relieved somewhat by the breakup since it means that Mieville is no longer there to terrorize him.

[cesariojpn]

Ya gotta give Pintsize 9/10 for trying - with one point off for the creepiness.

You have to wonder what actually inspired him to even do that in the first place. Yes, he's a walking porn dump, yes he has access to stuff even Rule /34/ cannot begin to fathom........

....or Marigold managed to change his algorithms abit to be not as freaky. Or the throw by Faye did it.

[iduguphergrave]

Aw c'mon guys I know he's a perv but Marten is his owner, is it so hard to believe he actually cares about him? Being full of porn, this is just the only way he knows how to show it. I still think it's kinda sweet, havin a little robot all cuddlin' on you.

[Nick and Marla]

but some of you guys are seriously uptight about the Pintsize spooning!  Is it semi-creepy?  Sure -- it's Pintsize, after all.  But it's also cute and kinda funny.  He's helping!  Ineffectually, as usual, but his intentions seem non-malicious.  So what are you worried about?  Pintsize is a tiny sentient robot with no genitalia -- not even eels!  And he seems to genuinely want Marty to cheer up.

Oh, no, not creepy at all. I've totally spooned my bros who were having trouble with the ladies.

I mean, they didn't admit that it cheered them up, but I could tell by the uncomfortable squirming that it was appreciated.

[Carl-E]

Whoa.  TMI.  But really  funny....

I did say earlier that it was "the sweetest version of creepy that Pintsize has ever come up with."  It is sweet that he cares, but the fact that he thinks it's comforting is also a little creepy.  

I think that covers it, really.  

[jwhouk]

Can't think of a poll for today, so I'm leaving yesterday's one up.  

In addition to hanging my head in shame.

PSST: End of week. That means "Moment of the Week".

• IF YOU LOVE THIS PLACE SO MUCH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MARRY IT
• THIS PLACE IS A BUTT AND YOU ARE ALSO A BUTT
• "I'd be sad. And Faye would beat you up."
• Growing wings or Infrared vision over vague sense of unease
• The Faye Punch of Friendship returns!
• "I can't just lie around feeling sorry for myself all the time."
• Ice cream fatness and shameful blog posts
• "There are things lurking in my saved draft posts that would make a heartbroken 14 year old go 'oh come on, that's a bit much.'"
• Dude. Strip club. Tonight.
• Degradation and objectification of women.
• I was drunk! And grandma PUT my hand there!
• Your grandma ####ing ROCKS.
• Get used to sleeping alone again.
• Would you rather be the outside spoon?

[jwhouk]

Aw c'mon guys I know he's a perv but Marten is his owner, is it so hard to believe he actually cares about him? Being full of porn, this is just the only way he knows how to show it. I still think it's kinda sweet, havin a little robot all cuddlin' on you.

He's always cared.

[Olymander]

For the record, I've been to a strip club once (it was a friend's bachelor party... the ironic thing is, it was suggested by his fiancée, who drive us there and sat there with us), and those girls can be really pushy.  I told them I wasn't interested in a lap dance, and they kept insisting.  Now, I understand that this is how they make their money and all, but they just wouldn't take no for an answer...

Oh, and this is a very small sample, but this report mentions trying to do a survey of male and female strippers, and out of 33 clubs they attempted to survey in suburban Virginia (page 4-5), 12 refused, 18 agreed, and 3 of them they did not manage to get any of the dancers to voluntarily answer the survey.  Out of those that did (56 people), 16 were male, and 40 were female.  This is supposedly in line with the US national exotic dancing population (this pdf cites Forsyth, 1992).

[Akima]

I can't imagine that Pintsize would be very comfortable to have in bed. I mean, he's basically an oddly-shaped metal box. It'd be like sleeping with a filing cabinet.

I swear, something this obvious shouldn't have to be spelled out so clearly, it's almost like another forum I go to where people are seriously arguing that Sherman's army raped a million women during it's march to the sea. Completely false and based entirely on "traditional belief" information.

So what is the correct number, exactly? A million sounds a large and suspiciously round number, implying that, on average, each man in Sherman's army committed about sixteen rapes over the five weeks of the campaign, but did anybody actually keep any records? Rape has been a traditional perk of the soldier's trade since at least the fall of Troy, and remains common to this day, but the numbers, even in recent conflicts, are never more than estimates. Generally, the crimes go unrecorded, the perpetrators go free, and the victims go unavenged. No number greater than zero is small enough to be OK.

[Carl-E]

His appendages probably have a silicone outer layer for grip.  Not that thatwould feel much better. 

Still, the case is probably metal - we know the head is, or Marigold wouldn't have been able to pull out the dents...

[Odin]

So what is the correct number, exactly? A million sounds a large and suspiciously round number, implying that, on average, each man in Sherman's army committed about sixteen rapes over the five weeks of the campaign, but did anybody actually keep any records? Rape has been a traditional perk of the soldier's trade since at least the fall of Troy, and remains common to this day, but the numbers, even in recent conflicts, are never more than estimates. Generally, the crimes go unrecorded, the perpetrators go free, and the victims go unavenged. No number greater than zero is small enough to be OK.

You've got a couple options, read this: http://flattopshistorywarpolitics.yuku.com/topic/457 for a more brief look at things and look for the answer or download the audio files found here and refresh your memory.

You're missing the point by focusing on the numbers or even the accusation, the topic over there was that The South's racism was (and is) perfectly okay because Sherman did nasty things to win the war, a thoroughly idiotic position to take. Much like the one that makes negative judgments about women that are strippers or even the very existence of strip clubs that cater to straight men while completely ignoring the very common strip clubs that cater to straight women, gay women and gay men. The actual numbers don't matter in the least once you put them in context of local population demographics (you'll find that there are exactly as many strip clubs catering to a specific group of people as the local population will support, expecting exact even numbers of male and female strippers is stupid and I don't know why I wasted time trying to argue that point).

[snubnose]

I mean I guess it's a little creepy but still d'awwwww 

I think your definition of "a little creepy" and mine are slightly different. 

I think we're all just secretly jealous we don't have a little robot to cuddle with at night.

For those of us who do not have that kind of budget, there is always using something made of vinyl.  

I think I need some bleach now.  

Care to explain how to apply bleach to ones imagination ?

[Is it cold in here?]

It's called brain-washing.

[Olymander]

Much like the one that makes negative judgments about women that are strippers or even the very existence of strip clubs that cater to straight men while completely ignoring the very common strip clubs that cater to straight women, gay women and gay men. The actual numbers don't matter in the least once you put them in context of local population demographics (you'll find that there are exactly as many strip clubs catering to a specific group of people as the local population will support, expecting exact even numbers of male and female strippers is stupid and I don't know why I wasted time trying to argue that point).

Except that the argument (at least originally) wasn't really about the strippers; it was about the people going to see the strippers.  In other words, the negative comments were (mostly) not directed at the strippers at all, but at the people that would attend such events.  You then brought up the proportionality of strippers and we digressed from there.

[Akima]

You're missing the point by focusing on the numbers or even the accusation, the topic over there was that The South's racism was (and is) perfectly okay because Sherman did nasty things to win the war, a thoroughly idiotic position to take.

The only information you provided was the number, the accusation, and a statement that the accusation was false. It is not surprising I missed a point that you did not make, at least in this forum.

The actual numbers don't matter in the least once you put them in context of local population demographics (you'll find that there are exactly as many strip clubs catering to a specific group of people as the local population will support, expecting exact even numbers of male and female strippers is stupid and I don't know why I wasted time trying to argue that point).

Numbers always matter, especially in the context of local demographics. I would not expect equal numbers of male and female strippers. That was the point I made in my original post on this topic. I would expect a higher proportion of women, and a lower proportion of men, in the stripper population than in the population generally. If that is so, the explanation presumably would be, as you say, the support from the local population. Or to put it another way, in the relative demand for female or male performers in the market to which their industry caters.

You then brought up the proportionality of strippers and we digressed from there.

In fairness to Odin, it was I who brought up the proportion thing, in reference to my guess that, notwithstanding the existence of male strippers, the stripping "industry" primarily caters to men. That doesn't necessarily make it bad, but unless the club Steve was proposing has a "ladies department" running concurrently, it is possible that Cosette might feel a bit left out while Steve and Marten had a bro's night.

[cesariojpn]

Marten needs a stuffed animal.

Pintsize is probably warm from the heat of all his electronics.

He needs a Bamboo wife. Or a Dakimakura.

[Olymander]

You then brought up the proportionality of strippers and we digressed from there.

In fairness to Odin, it was I who brought up the proportion thing, in reference to my guess that, notwithstanding the existence of male strippers, the stripping "industry" primarily caters to men. That doesn't necessarily make it bad, but unless the club Steve was proposing has a "ladies department" running concurrently, it is possible that Cosette might feel a bit left out while Steve and Marten had a bro's night.

Oh, my apologies, then.  And the more I re-read it, the more Cosette's response seems kind of "canned" to me, as if she's just repeating a line.  And you'd think that since they've been together a while, Cosette really should know what Steve is like by now...

Oh, and I kind of miss Cosette's poofy hair.  I'm not sure why...

[The Duke]

jwhouk, is there going to be a poll for the moment of the week?  

Anyway, my vote goes to "Your grandma fuckin' rules."

[Aetharan]

Having just performed a full archive binge, from beginning to most recent, I have to say this:  The webcomic thus far has been like reading a (sometimes creepy) very good book, with Jeph being fully capable of writing his characters in such a way that it's easy to empathize with them, and it was quite depressing to catch up to the story's "present" at such a low point in our protagonist's life.  Just about anybody in the same age-group as the heroes should know exactly how Marten feels.

I wish I'd had an AnthroPC like Pintsize around when my wife left.  He may not know how to show it without being creepy, but the little guy obviously cares.  1850 made me grin.

[jwhouk]

jwhouk, is there going to be a poll for the moment of the week?  

Anyway, my vote goes to "Your grandma fuckin' rules."

Done. See separate thread.

[ysth]

No, I prefer snuggling with my wife, thank you very much.

So do I.

Wait, that didn't come out quite how I intended...

[The Duke]

jwhouk, is there going to be a poll for the moment of the week?  

Anyway, my vote goes to "Your grandma fuckin' rules."

Done. See separate thread.

Thank you!  The poll option says "ROCKS" even though I think it was "rules" but I am in too good a mood to care.


Edit: you fixed it!  Disregard my pedantics.