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Yes, it's finally here: the MOMENT OF THE WEEK!

Finally startin' to check out other girls, huh?
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Well I mean it's been WEEKS, I AM a single dude... now..
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SLAP! (I'm out of practice!)
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Don't tell me you're still hung up on Dora.
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WE ARE BROS, MAN! WE! ARE! BROS!
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UMASS Guys! "BROS! BROS! BROS! BROS!"
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I know it's over, I just... still miss her, y'know?
- 1 (1.1%)
The other night, Cosette...
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Good talk, bro.
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Who's that waving? Why, it's PADMA!
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My baby bird's finally left the nest!
- 3 (3.4%)
I wouldn't wipe my eyes with that towel...
- 2 (2.2%)
Mister coffee-and-a-danish
- 1 (1.1%)
Padma, Renee and Elliot.
- 0 (0%)
So... So...
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Who's your cute friend over at the bar?
- 15 (16.9%)
Elliot's look of sheer HORROR
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WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« on: 13 Feb 2011, 11:54 »

And here we go - thought I'd start it out with a fun poll.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #1 on: 13 Feb 2011, 11:59 »

I only get Valentines for my friends who get excited about getting Valentines, and Hanners seems like the type to think it was nice.

Regardless, no one wants one of Pintsize's homemade valentines.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #2 on: 13 Feb 2011, 12:00 »

I think we all know how this one is going to go.  :roll:
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #3 on: 13 Feb 2011, 12:04 »

Ah, but will it be a shutout?
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #4 on: 13 Feb 2011, 13:05 »

Hold on, is this who would get the most or who am I most creepily attracted to as the answers are currently not stacking up to probability.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #5 on: 13 Feb 2011, 14:01 »

No option for Marygold? She'd just need to mention that she's a girl on WoW and they'd need a truck to deliver her valentine's cards.  :wink:
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #6 on: 13 Feb 2011, 14:24 »

Hold on, is this who would get the most or who am I most creepily attracted to as the answers are currently not stacking up to probability.

I read is as who would actually get the most in-universe.  That's why I voted Raven, but I may have to think on that.  Looking at the votes so far, I think a few are going with your second option. 

No option for Marygold? She'd just need to mention that she's a girl on WoW and they'd need a truck to deliver her valentine's cards.  :wink:

I totally agree that Marigold belongs in the poll.  An oversight, perhaps?

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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #7 on: 13 Feb 2011, 14:41 »

In universe was what I was thinking. Which... the person in #1 right now doesn't seem like she would get the most in universe really. Maybe if her dad sent her a spaceship full of robobfs all bearing Valentines. I chose Veronica because... she has had more time to build up a good amount of contacts who would possibly want to send her one. Raven would definitely be my second choice though
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #8 on: 13 Feb 2011, 15:13 »

Marigold is in the poll. Look down past our "fan favorite".
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #9 on: 13 Feb 2011, 15:14 »

My preference was for Winifred the Winsome and Wistful Waffle Maker.  Maybe I won't have to cook....
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #10 on: 13 Feb 2011, 16:13 »

Veronica Reed
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #11 on: 13 Feb 2011, 17:36 »

Dang, I missed the "in universe", but I can't change my answer...

...so when you add them up, switch one vote from Hannelore to Raven. 

Of course, Sven may wind up with more heart-shaped offers than any of them...


Hey, it's (american) civil war week!  (1861 - 1865)
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #12 on: 13 Feb 2011, 18:29 »

No option for Marygold? She'd just need to mention that she's a girl on WoW and they'd need a truck to deliver her valentine's cards.  :wink:

I totally agree that Marigold belongs in the poll.  An oversight, perhaps?

Marigold is in the poll. Look down past our "fan favorite".

Yes. an oversight.  MINE :oops:

i am so observant of course i knew it was there hurr hurr
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #13 on: 13 Feb 2011, 18:53 »

Raven probably would get the most from people she knows personally, but Veronica probably still gets fan mail.

I think to make it fair, she should only get to count those addressed to Veronica REED.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #14 on: 13 Feb 2011, 19:46 »

Comics up, and I think we've had a time skip. Which means Dora will probably have a new hairstyle tomorrow. :-P
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #15 on: 13 Feb 2011, 19:50 »

If you're going to stare that long and obviously, at least introduce yourself and try looking above the neckline at least part of the time.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #16 on: 13 Feb 2011, 20:02 »

No Tai in the poll = EPIC FAIL.

As for the comic: OW. This is one of the reasons I keep my glasses instead of wearing contacts: I can stare as long as I want simply by taking them off as pretending to clean them in the direction of the woman I wish to look at.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #17 on: 13 Feb 2011, 20:15 »

Comics up, and I think we've had a time skip.

It's about time, too. I'm sure Jeph is as sick of exploring Marten's anguish as the rest of us, and is anxious to show a different side of him, to say nothing of the other characters. It would be refreshing to see some real character growth in the coming strips.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #18 on: 13 Feb 2011, 20:18 »

...It's like the last 1,860 strips didn't even happen, almost.

And I felt that slap all the way over here in Wisconsin.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #19 on: 13 Feb 2011, 20:20 »

Comic!

Time jump!

Also...what's with the weak beer Steve?  :-P


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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #20 on: 13 Feb 2011, 20:40 »

Maybe Jeph's trying to see how to do clear beverages?
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #21 on: 13 Feb 2011, 20:47 »

Ok Jeph, it's time to stop making Marten the buttmonkey all the goddamn time. Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all. One small reason is that it's felony assault.

For once Jeph, just for once, please recognize that when you make Marten engage in these antics, they are not so heinous that he deserves frigging abuse.  :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #22 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:02 »

Calm down Napoleon, it's just a trope.

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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #23 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:03 »

I always knew Marty was an ass man.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #24 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:15 »

Calm down Napoleon, it's just a trope.

I feel it belongs squarely in the discredited trope category.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #25 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:32 »

Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.

Really? Really? Lemme tell you, when I go to my neighborhood bar scandalously clad in in jeans and a t-shirt, it's because I want to get out of my house and have a beer or hang out with friends. It certainly is NOT to give guys an opportunity to longingly stare at my ass, and the fact that you apparently find this to be something you are entitled to do just because a woman is in a public place where there is alcohol makes me feel really, really creeped out. I would probably not slap you for it but good god would that make me feel gross and angry.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #26 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:33 »

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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #27 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:33 »

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Really? Really? Lemme tell you, when I go to my neighborhood bar scandalously clad in in jeans and a t-shirt, it's because I want to get out of my house and have a beer or hang out with friends. It certainly is NOT to give guys an opportunity to longingly stare at my ass, and the fact that you apparently find this to be something you are entitled to do just because a woman is in a public place where there is alcohol makes me feel really, really creeped out. I would probably not slap you for it but good god would that make me feel gross and angry.

People probably stare/ogle you when you're not looking, and I bet you do the same to other guys.

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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #28 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:36 »

I think part of the problem might be Marten TALKING about the staring when near one of the women in question.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #29 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:39 »

I love the callback to QC#3 - right down to the purple shirt.  And the woman in panel 1 vaguely resembling Faye.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #30 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:46 »

I love the callback to QC#3 - right down to the purple shirt.  And the woman in panel 1 vaguely resembling Faye.

Actually, try strip #1601.

And our slapper girl looks like a combination of Faye and Cosette.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #31 on: 13 Feb 2011, 21:55 »

Thanks, I was looking for that... you beat me to it.  DAMN YOU :-D
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #32 on: 13 Feb 2011, 22:15 »

ahhh Marty, never get caught staring!




and thank you to my GF sitting here, telling me that "You look like the brown haired dude- get a haircut." Its my hair!
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« Reply #33 on: 13 Feb 2011, 22:23 »

Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.

Really? Really? Lemme tell you, when I go to my neighborhood bar scandalously clad in in jeans and a t-shirt, it's because I want to get out of my house and have a beer or hang out with friends. It certainly is NOT to give guys an opportunity to longingly stare at my ass, and the fact that you apparently find this to be something you are entitled to do just because a woman is in a public place where there is alcohol makes me feel really, really creeped out. I would probably not slap you for it but good god would that make me feel gross and angry.

As a guy, I would not interfere with you having a beer and hanging out with your friends. I wouldn't get in your space or hit on you. I don't like trying to make superficial connections with strangers in bars. But I damn well have a right to silently check you out. Hell, I have a right to check you out in public too. When you step out of your door into the wide world every day, you forfeit the right to not be looked at. Nobody has the right to harass you or invade your space. But unless you choose to wear a burka, anyone has the right to just look - so long as that's all they do.

If you feel creeped out by guys who do this, then I suggest you grow a thicker skin.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #34 on: 13 Feb 2011, 22:32 »


People probably stare/ogle you when you're not looking, and I bet you do the same to other guys.

But a casual look/checking out isn't what we're talking about here. We're talking about a guy saying he feels he has full license to lock in and stare even when it obviously isn't well received by the girl, and that he feels that letching on girls (whatever the reason they happen to be there) is part of the function of a bar and something he's apparently entitled to.

P.S. OP, if that isn't what you meant, perhaps you'd have done better not to align yourself with Marten, cause--harmless and well-meaning as Marten is, that's what he was doing in that comic. He didn't just look, he glued his eyes to her ass and stared, for a while, even as she noticed and was giving him the stinkeye.  (Again, I don't think that deserves a slap, but insisting "I can too bltatantly stare at your ass even if it makes you uncomfortable and that's what you get for going out in public"--that gets closer to it.)
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« Reply #35 on: 13 Feb 2011, 22:35 »

Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.

Really? Really? Lemme tell you, when I go to my neighborhood bar scandalously clad in in jeans and a t-shirt, it's because I want to get out of my house and have a beer or hang out with friends. It certainly is NOT to give guys an opportunity to longingly stare at my ass, and the fact that you apparently find this to be something you are entitled to do just because a woman is in a public place where there is alcohol makes me feel really, really creeped out. I would probably not slap you for it but good god would that make me feel gross and angry.

As a guy, I would not interfere with you having a beer and hanging out with your friends. I wouldn't get in your space or hit on you. I don't like trying to make superficial connections with strangers in bars. But I damn well have a right to silently check you out. Hell, I have a right to check you out in public too. When you step out of your door into the wide world every day, you forfeit the right to not be looked at. Nobody has the right to harass you or invade your space. But unless you choose to wear a burka, anyone has the right to just look - so long as that's all they do.

If you feel creeped out by guys who do this, then I suggest you grow a thicker skin.

I just want to say that there is a difference between silently checking a woman out and staring at her. Being checked out is nice, even flattering. Being STARED at can be creepy. It all depends on the the situation and how intently the person is staring at you.

But honestly, in either situation, I wouldn't be likely to slap someone. If they were creeping me out, I'd move to a different part of the bar.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #36 on: 13 Feb 2011, 22:38 »

Well...he has a right to look insofar as it's not illegal...but that doesn't make it okay by any means.

On the other hand, some courts have held that deep and uninterrupted staring well after an individual has shown their disapproval can constitute sexual harassment. It's far from the norm, but it has happened. So you might not have a right to that after all.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #37 on: 13 Feb 2011, 22:50 »

Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.

Really? Really? Lemme tell you, when I go to my neighborhood bar scandalously clad in in jeans and a t-shirt, it's because I want to get out of my house and have a beer or hang out with friends. It certainly is NOT to give guys an opportunity to longingly stare at my ass, and the fact that you apparently find this to be something you are entitled to do just because a woman is in a public place where there is alcohol makes me feel really, really creeped out. I would probably not slap you for it but good god would that make me feel gross and angry.

As a guy, I would not interfere with you having a beer and hanging out with your friends. I wouldn't get in your space or hit on you. I don't like trying to make superficial connections with strangers in bars. But I damn well have a right to silently check you out. Hell, I have a right to check you out in public too. When you step out of your door into the wide world every day, you forfeit the right to not be looked at. Nobody has the right to harass you or invade your space. But unless you choose to wear a burka, anyone has the right to just look - so long as that's all they do.

If you feel creeped out by guys who do this, then I suggest you grow a thicker skin.

I just want to say that there is a difference between silently checking a woman out and staring at her. Being checked out is nice, even flattering. Being STARED at can be creepy. It all depends on the the situation and how intently the person is staring at you.

But honestly, in either situation, I wouldn't be likely to slap someone. If they were creeping me out, I'd move to a different part of the bar.

Of course it depends on how long you look at someone and if they make their displeasure known, then the right thing do is to stop looking at them.

Well...he has a right to look insofar as it's not illegal...but that doesn't make it okay by any means.

On the other hand, some courts have held that deep and uninterrupted staring well after an individual has shown their disapproval can constitute sexual harassment. It's far from the norm, but it has happened. So you might not have a right to that after all.

Yes it's okay to look. It's a strong genetic imperative in men to do so. I also agree long uninterrupted staring is taking it too far - I never advocated that. Hell all Marten did was look at the girl and get a little lost. For a woman to want it to stop is fine and the man should oblige. But denying a person the right to do it in the first place is also a denial of the right to think those thoughts about the woman. To me, that's like trying to institute thoughtcrime.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #38 on: 13 Feb 2011, 23:01 »

Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.
Yeah, because men are entitled to set the rules, award themselves "licenses", and decide what the functions of public spaces are supposed to be. What women might want doesn't come into it, right? No, I wouldn't hit a man who stared at me (not least because starting fights, especially with potentially-drunk guys, is dangerous), but men with attitudes like this are a big part of the reason I don't go unaccompanied to bars at all.

But unless you choose to wear a burka, anyone has the right to just look - so long as that's all they do. If you feel creeped out by guys who do this, then I suggest you grow a thicker skin.
If we don't want to be stared at we should wear a burka? :psyduck:  I'll just let that speak for itself I think, and note the standard line that if women don't like the way men behave, there is something wrong with us.

As for the comic... It's sort of a funny shout-out to the early days of QC, and the hand-print is nicely drawn...
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #39 on: 13 Feb 2011, 23:14 »

I'll take the middle ground in this whole debate and say that while an individual openly staring at another is creepy, it never warrants a slap in the face. It's an unacceptable, childish response. Reverse the genders and suddenly it's abuse and cause for arrest.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #40 on: 13 Feb 2011, 23:25 »

I'll take the middle ground in this whole debate and say that while an individual openly staring at another is creepy, it never warrants a slap in the face. It's an unacceptable, childish response. Reverse the genders and suddenly it's abuse and cause for arrest.

QFT.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #41 on: 13 Feb 2011, 23:26 »

"You want to stare at my ass? May be I let you stare at my ass? May be I slap you in the face?"
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #42 on: 13 Feb 2011, 23:48 »

I'll take the middle ground in this whole debate and say that while an individual openly staring at another is creepy, it never warrants a slap in the face. It's an unacceptable, childish response. Reverse the genders and suddenly it's abuse and cause for arrest.

I completely agree with you.

Like I said, if a guy who just staring at me really intently for a long amount of time, I'd get up and go to different area of the bar, or leave. There's never a really good excuse to just slap someone. Well... unless he actually assaults you, maybe then. But that's a completely different scenario.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #43 on: 14 Feb 2011, 00:10 »

I also would like to point out at this time that QC is a comic, and a work of fiction, and remind everyone that actions and responses that are funny/satisfying/gratifying/what-have-you in fiction are not necesarily appropriate for real-life situations.







I would also like to point out that the PonyLeaks Discussion & Sex Furnace is an internet forum and would ask everyone to please excuse the spelling atrocities in this post.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #44 on: 14 Feb 2011, 00:14 »

Even Steve, not the world's most sensitive guy, thought Marten had been staring too long.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #45 on: 14 Feb 2011, 00:20 »


Yes it's okay to look. It's a strong genetic imperative in men to do so.

The thing is, society has rules over and above genetic urges to control and limit them - they are what distinguish us from animals.

(And that much quoting was unnecessary, and bad style; when you're in that bar, do you repeat everything that's been said before you add to it?)
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #46 on: 14 Feb 2011, 00:22 »

The succeeding is written without looking at previous comments, to spare you from a mountain of responses:

I never got the "Look at me!"/"Don't look at me!" dichotomy of how women present themselves and dress in public (yes, I get the various aspects of it and the superficial logic of it, but it's faulty). To my knowledge, the point of going to a bar, alone or with a 'wing (wo)man', is to meet members of the opposite sex. If that girl wasn't expecting to be looked at, why was she there?


Also, Hannelore obviously. She's the ultimate untouchable.
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #47 on: 14 Feb 2011, 00:32 »

Yeah, because men are entitled to set the rules, award themselves "licenses", and decide what the functions of public spaces are supposed to be.

Inside their own head, a man or a woman is absolute master of themselves and has the license to enjoy that freedom.

What women might want doesn't come into it, right?

What women might want is absolutely as important as what men want. If a woman wants to check a man out in a bar or in public, she has the freedom to do so. Hell, a woman can even create a strawman argument against mine like you just did and try to defeat that instead of the argument I'm putting forth.

If we don't want to be stared at we should wear a burka? :psyduck: 

If you don't want to be looked at, how do you plan on enforcing men not looking at you? Are you going to take away person's right to look at what they please in public?  :roll:

I'll just let that speak for itself I think, and note the standard line that if women don't like the way men behave, there is something wrong with us.

I think you're wrapped up in the idea that my argument is to oppress women. How do you feel about the ethical implications of this line: "If women don't like the way men behave, there is something intrinsically wrong about the male behaviour in question and said behavoiour must be stopped, punished and banned."
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #48 on: 14 Feb 2011, 00:39 »

I think part of the problem might be Marten TALKING about the staring when near one of the women in question.

I get the impression that the above has been overlooked, and so I'm quoting it. 

It makes a difference.  I mean, picture yourself in her position; you've gone to the bar for a drink, and you hear this guy beside you say "Well, I mean, it's been WEEKS, I AM a single dude... now..."  and when you turn he staring, goggle-eyed, at your ass. 

Does it warrant a slap?  Probably not, but it is  really creepy of Marten, and regardless of his thoughts on her  ass, she thinks he's  one!
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Re: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
« Reply #49 on: 14 Feb 2011, 00:45 »

It looks like it was a good thing I typed, then looked at the thread, or I'd be making posts with 15 quotes in them. I think I'll just side with the middle roaders up above. Marten was being a bit creepy, she took it to assault levels. But then, this is a comedy and Marten's always been the butt monkey, so I guess we should just DWI.
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