Topic: WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865) (Read 117416 times)

cabbagehut · « **Reply #100 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 15:16 »

Quote from: Akima on 14 Feb 2011, 14:41

Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 14 Feb 2011, 00:32
How do you feel about the ethical implications of this line: "If women don't like the way men behave, there is something intrinsically wrong about the male behaviour in question and said behavoiour must be stopped, punished and banned."
What I think, is that it depends on the behaviour. Some ways in which some men behave that women dislike, are also shunned by ethical men, and banned and (ideally) punished in all civilised societies. Rape would be an obvious example. Some behaviours are merely sleazy and obnoxious, not rising to the level of formal sanctions (at least in a bar; the same behaviour in a workplace might well be viewed differently), but certainly quite enough for me to categorise men who engage in them as ones to avoid. Some are merely tiresome and dismissed with a sigh. Some insults are so routine as to be barely noticed, kind of like air-pollution.

...

I cannot really comment on what men expect from other men, but the idea that men don't expect their feelings to be considered by women is downright laughable. In my experience, if we are insufficiently tactful and considerate of their cotton-candy sensibilities, even in relatively emotionally-neutral places like the office, never mind personal relationships, they give us charming names like "bitch" and "ball-crusher".

The idea that women are some sort of impenetrable mystery is essentially a cop-out. Anyone who decides something is impossible is guaranteed to fail. Women are socialised into different styles of communication from men, but this is hardly a big secret; there are libraries of books out there on the subject. Mostly you just have to pay attention rather than just "tuning us out". In the comic, Marten completely ignored the stink-eye he was being given. She still shouldn't have hit him, but this is a comic.

I have to agree with you on all counts. Especially that saying you can't understand women is just a cop-out. Men and women really aren't that different, and they aren't exactly the same as everyone else who shares that sex/gender. Each person is an individual, and you can't expect all women to act alike - you may learn to read one woman's signals, but that doesn't mean they apply across the board. The Transitive Property can't really be used with people, except as generalized rules that have to be altered in every experience.

The way a woman dresses should not be related to how she is treated. That's putting the onus of controlling men's behavior on an individual woman. How can I know what's revealing and what's conservative? To avoid being catcalled and having crude comments directed at me, I should dress covered head-to-toe? I generally wear baggy hoodies and cargo pants - I STILL get rude things said to me on the street. There's absolutely no protection. I can't win. The only way to change things is to insist that people stop acting like assholes in public. Marten acted like an asshole, and while slapping someone's out of line, this is a slapsticky comic, and I doubt Jacques (is it better etiquette to refer to him as Jeph or Jacques?) meant this as a treatise on the sexual behavior of men in bars, but for a lot of women, it's something you've got to deal with ALL THE TIME, not just in bars.

Have you ever read Starling's "Schrödinger’s Rapist: or a guy’s guide to approaching strange women without being maced"? Link. I think you'd probably appreciate it, and it might explain why so many women on this board are having such a strong reaction to Marten's behavior.

If you don't want to read such a long article, the gist is that women have different boundaries of safety than men, and are more aware of risks such as sexual assault and rape. Therefore, they have to be extra-careful around strangers, because you don't know who's safe and who isn't. It's not that all men are unsafe or that all men are rapists - it's that there's no way to know who IS dangerous and who ISN'T, so you just have to be careful around everyone. It's not fair, but until we live in a world in which rape is not a common threat to women's (and everyone's, but most rape victims are women) safety, they have to be somewhat distrustful.

Skelepunk · « **Reply #101 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 15:49 »

Psych Major, ho!
Staring is generally seen as a negative act. Most people identify it as aggressive or threatening, or at the least that something is wrong with them.
People go to bars to have a quick drink with friends, karaoke, or to unwind.Yes, many are sketchy, but many others are not.
In my experience, men are way more sensitive than women.
And therefore...
Marten=a bit creepy. Girl committed assault. However, rule of funny would suggest that as a whole, we are overanalysing. But since it is fun to do, and informative to read, whats the harm?

Off note:Burqas, as I understand them, are not intended make someone a non human. Instead, it is a way to get someone to look at a woman as a person first, and not objectify them. I refuse to get into the debate of whether or not this is effective, as my knowledge is limited. But as a piece of interest,apparently many women like wearing the burqa because it makes it easier to run errands(doesn't matter what is underneath) and it helps with bargaining because only the eyes can be seen.

Akima · « **Reply #102 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 16:21 »

Quote from: westrim on 14 Feb 2011, 15:09

Resistance is futile, just enjoy yourself.

Cracked.com; as addictive as TV Tropes and better-written too.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #103 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 16:55 »

Quote from: Akima on 14 Feb 2011, 14:41

Quote from: Antario on 14 Feb 2011, 04:38
Society would be so much more pleasant if people had thickers skins and wouldnt get their panties in a twist every time somebody 'offends' them as offence is always taken, not given
More pleasant for whom? Certainly more pleasant for those who find it too much trouble to care about other peoples' feelings or self-respect. According to you, when I "took" offense at the truck-driver who called me a "fucking gook" on the street a few weeks ago, the only problem was that I'm thin-skinned? Thank you for your support...

That's a very different thing from being checked out in a bar, and according to the class I took in Management of Assaultive Behavior it's grounds for immediately adding distance enough to guarantee reaction time. I'd be surprised if that's the kind of thing Antario had in mind.

Beaten by Nuns · « **Reply #104 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 17:55 »

What's up with slapper girl's chin?

TheEvilDog · « **Reply #105 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 18:18 »

Quote from: Beaten by Nuns on 14 Feb 2011, 17:55

What's up with slapper girl's chin?

Check my last post on the previous page....Its her reflection in the mirror behind the bar. Same with the girl in the first panel.

Arancaytar · « **Reply #106 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 19:45 »

Duh; I only noticed the hand imprint just now. Thought she had just given him a dirty look and left, and wondered what the fuss was about.

BarcodeBuster · « **Reply #107 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 20:19 »

Was I the only person who thought that she just turned around and slapped him after she noticed he was staring at her?

Somnus Eternus · « **Reply #108 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:02 »

Oh, UMASS fratboys. Where don't you show up drunk?

jwhouk · « **Reply #109 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:02 »

Quote from: Beaten by Nuns on 14 Feb 2011, 17:55

What's up with slapper girl's chin?

It doesn't look right, no matter what anyone says. I actually did a bit of old-school dot-by-dot recoloring of a clip, and I'm thinking Jeph didn't realize he'd moved her head a bit in a different layer before publishing the strip.

jwhouk · « **Reply #110 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:03 »

This... can not end well.

I'm assuming the chick Steve's talking about is glasses-ponytail-tat girl? Oh great, yet another Faye-a-like.

...Of course, it'd be REALLY funny if she was the girl that Burly Bakery Dude was trying to screw up the courage to ask out.

Somnus Eternus · « **Reply #111 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:06 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 14 Feb 2011, 22:03

...Of course, it'd be REALLY funny if she was the girl that Burly Bakery Dude was trying to screw up the courage to ask out.

As long as it's not Renee.

...Well, unless BBD was screwing up the courage to ask out Renee, I suppose.

daryljfontaine · « **Reply #112 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:27 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 14 Feb 2011, 22:03

This... can not end well.

I'm assuming the chick Steve's talking about is glasses-ponytail-tat girl? Oh great, yet another Faye-a-like.

...Of course, it'd be REALLY funny if she was the girl that Burly Bakery Dude was trying to screw up the courage to ask out.

Don't think that's a ponytail; I think it's another mirror artifact from the perpindicular perspective. She is further away from the mirror so her head is reflecting at a somewhat different angle.

Genuinely intended art note for Jeph: the straight-on 90-degree perpindicular to the mirror causes some confusion in the viewer -- if you angled it just a bit in either direction we might get a better sense of what you intended us to see. (Although I bet it would be kind of a bitch to draw.)

Re: the Hot Girl -- skinny and tattooed, check; short dark hair and hipster glasses, check. Go for it, Marten, she's got attractive physical aspects of both the one you pursued but never got and the one who pursued you who you never really had (DORA'S GOT ISSUES

). At this rate, though, he'd start to chat up Fora (Daye?) and find out that while she likes guys, she was already bi for Tai.

D

Sharp · « **Reply #113 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:28 »

Quote from: Somnus Eternus on 14 Feb 2011, 22:02

Oh, UMASS fratboys. Where don't you show up drunk?

As a former UMASS student, I can attest to the truth in the comic.

And I HAVE to sig your comment!

CEOIII · « **Reply #114 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:41 »

Marten doesn't know how he feels. Or how he should feel. That's what he was going to say before Steve had a Broment.

hannahsaurusrex · « **Reply #115 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:54 »

The pastel polo shirts make me grin

jwhouk · « **Reply #116 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 22:56 »

Pastel nothin'. Those are Jersey Shore-ish PINK.

hannahsaurusrex · « **Reply #117 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 23:09 »

I hope they don't get broraped.

westrim · « **Reply #118 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 23:11 »

Marten looks like a cat would in that situation.

Quote from: hannahsaurusrex on 14 Feb 2011, 23:09

I hope they don't get broraped.

Or broped.

hannahsaurusrex · « **Reply #119 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 23:19 »

That's why Marten needs "soap on a brope"

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #120 on:** 14 Feb 2011, 23:21 »

THE UMASS BROS! WOOHOO!!!!

(MDBS is a proud graduate of UMASS)

Akima · « **Reply #121 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 00:35 »

Steve is having a THIS. IS. SPARTA! moment. Marten is catabronic. I thought bros popped their collars and looked more douchey than that, but then I've never seen them in the wild, broming their native habitat.

Mad Cat · « **Reply #122 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 00:56 »

Quote from: hannahsaurusrex on 14 Feb 2011, 23:09

I hope they don't get broraped.

Bros before

Blackjoker · « **Reply #123 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 01:36 »

Quote from: westrim on 14 Feb 2011, 23:11

Marten looks like a cat would in that situation.

Quote from: hannahsaurusrex on 14 Feb 2011, 23:09
I hope they don't get broraped.
Or broped.

I read that and I imagine a moped telling you how much he loves you man and how he hopes you don't lose touch with each other after college.

As to the slapping thing, hadn't realized that before and yeah, that does seem out of line, just my 2 cents. Not saying that the staring is good either, just saying that it's disproportionate retribution.

As to todays strip, Marten seems to be catatonic, either overwhelmed or Steve somehow managed to hit that last little piece of Martens sanity that Dora and his mother didn't shatter in the last few days/weeks/what have you and now Marten is reaching catatonia. Either that or he is experiencing severe broverlode.

hannahsaurusrex · « **Reply #124 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 01:42 »

Akima, you gave me an epiphany about the nature of bros. You haven't seen bros because they are essentially Americans who try really hard to be like Aussies.

The Seldom Killer · « **Reply #125 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 02:23 »

Quote from: Blackjoker on 15 Feb 2011, 01:36

As to todays strip, Marten seems to be catatonic, either overwhelmed or Steve somehow managed to hit that last little piece of Martens sanity that Dora and his mother didn't shatter in the last few days/weeks/what have you and now Marten is reaching catatonia. Either that or he is experiencing severe broverlode.

Looks like a flight or fight trigger moment. Are we going to see UMASSacre or a rude awakening on Evergreen Terrace?

Border Reiver · « **Reply #126 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 05:09 »

Marten running screaming into the night. Not to be seen again until the wedding.

Carl-E · « **Reply #127 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 05:12 »

Wait, ~~what~~ who's wedding?

You're just quoting tropes now, aren't you?

(and I don't use that lightly)

jwhouk · « **Reply #128 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 06:49 »

Other things you probably shouldn't say in a bar:

Does this beer taste funny to you?    - 4 (5.5%)
What's that in the pretzel/peanut dish?    - 0 (0%)
Geez, who let one rip?    - 0 (0%)
Did you bring your pet bandicoot with you again?    - 4 (5.5%)
That dress does make her look fat.    - 13 (17.8%)
Can you PLEASE stop talking? I'm TRYING to USE the PHONE!!!!    - 13 (17.8%) (I meant to do that.)
Who's motorcycle was that I just ran over in the parking lot?    - 10 (13.7%)
What, no fancy hats and ridiculous outfits?    - 1 (1.4%)
So, when's Procol Harum starting?    - 2 (2.7%)
Why is that blonde girl coming out of the men's restroom?    - 15 (20.5%) (Someone got the reference.)
Don't they sell waffles here?    - 11 (15.1%)

Total Voters: 73

El_Flesh · « **Reply #129 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 06:53 »

"It's complicated"

= he's hung up on FAYE!

The Seldom Killer · « **Reply #130 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 07:07 »

Hold on, I thought that Marten's catatonia was induced by Steve proclaiming that they were a shit eighties boyband.

I think you can see the resemblance.

The Duke · « **Reply #131 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 10:37 »

Quote from: cabbagehut on 14 Feb 2011, 15:16

(some reasonable words) ...The Transitive Property... (some more reasonable words)

I definitely glanced at that and parsed it as "The Transvestite Experience". Not sure how.

CompSarge · « **Reply #132 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 12:21 »

I'm pretty sure the school I went to had some of those UMASS frat boys, too. An incredibly large number of them, in fact...

Regarding the poll, I'm thinking it should be "Pink Popped Shirted Guidos," not "Goombos." That's probably just me, though.

charybdis · « **Reply #133 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 14:46 »

This is another one of those where the little details make it even better. Steve knocked over his beer in his enthusiasm to make Marten understand their bro-ness. Marten's is on the way over. The UMASS Frats and their eye-searing douchebag radiation. I love it so

BillyxRansom · « **Reply #134 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 15:46 »

I think we deserve a spin-off comic featuring the UMass bros.

... AMIRITE GUISE!??!?

themacnut · « **Reply #135 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 15:59 »

I think starting another webcomic at this point would cause Jeph a nervous breakdown.

Carl-E · « **Reply #136 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 16:00 »

Depends, which guise is the right guise?

That guise?

or dis guise?

jwhouk · « **Reply #137 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 16:02 »

Quote from: CompSarge on 15 Feb 2011, 12:21

I'm pretty sure the school I went to had some of those UMASS frat boys, too. An incredibly large number of them, in fact...

Regarding the poll, I'm thinking it should be "Pink Popped Shirted Guidos," not "Goombos." That's probably just me, though.

Thank you, I could not remember what they were called.

Wraith11B · « **Reply #138 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 17:09 »

Just because I noticed it, and have been wandering about because of my job: there is both a DUI and DWI. "DUI" or "Under the Influence" is a blanket term for either drugs or alcohol (when the breathalyzer reads less than the legal limit for it to be considered intoxication) but when the driving is still reckless. DWI is driving whilst legally intoxicated, which is generally a BAC of .08 or even lower for some ages (especially those under 21).

Also, for random coffeehouse antics that I thought I'd share: http://youtu.be/-74mUxLQW_s

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #139 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 18:03 »

Jeph is warning us that he has a CLASSY SCRIPT INBOUND!

So is it fart humor or a poop-joke. We are well overdue for both.

Kugai · « **Reply #140 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 19:31 »

'The horror!! The horror!!'

Marten Reed.

emeraldbeacon · « **Reply #141 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 21:34 »

Talk about your Tactical TMIs.

Dreyden · « **Reply #142 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 21:41 »

Well, that was a bit too much too sudden there, lol.

DSL · « **Reply #143 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 21:45 »

Employees must wash hands before returning to work. That means YOU, Miss Hurlbut.

Akima · « **Reply #144 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 21:49 »

Quote from: emeraldbeacon on 15 Feb 2011, 21:34

Talk about your Tactical TMIs.

Once something is said, it cannot be unsaid:

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

Poor Marten.

akronnick · « **Reply #145 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 21:57 »

So... Who is that young lady on the right in panels 1 and 2, and why does she seem to get more interested as Steve and Marten's conversation progresses.

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #146 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 22:01 »

Am I the only one who gets the feeling Steve's been wanting to get this off his chest?

themacnut · « **Reply #147 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 22:15 »

Be a long time before Marten goes drinking with Steve again, methinks. You can see Marten's brain go "SQUICK" in the last two panels.

foolsguinea · « **Reply #148 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 22:16 »

Quote from: akronnick on 15 Feb 2011, 21:57

So... Who is that young lady on the right in panels 1 and 2, and why does she seem to get more interested as Steve and Marten's conversation progresses.

Isn't it Sweet-Tits?

CEOIII · « **Reply #149 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 22:16 »

Quote from: akronnick on 15 Feb 2011, 21:57

So... Who is that young lady on the right in panels 1 and 2, and why does she seem to get more interested as Steve and Marten's conversation progresses.

New chick for Marten! Maybe she just went through a breakup, she's stretching her single legs, they strinke up a conversation, she promises to stay away from Marten's asshole..........

C'mon, things eventually have to go his way sometime, right?

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