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What was... THE MOMENT... OF... THE WEEK?

"Did you know Dora's got a date on Friday?"
- 1 (3.4%)
Some gentle advice?
- 1 (3.4%)
Being bitter isn't goinna make you feel any better
- 1 (3.4%)
Wait, that actually WORKED?
- 11 (37.9%)
"Good luck"? You're not gonna try to dissuade me?
- 0 (0%)
It's your life. Do what you want.
- 1 (3.4%)
You're being reasonable. That makes me nervous.
- 2 (6.9%)
Rockin' the little black dress!
- 1 (3.4%)
The rest of you is too distracting.
- 0 (0%)
Steady stream of compliments or I get cranky.
- 0 (0%)
He turns 41 in July (not old enough to be her dad)
- 0 (0%)
Okay, maybe a "little" bit of dirty old man.
- 4 (13.8%)
Scary Go Round Guest Strip!
- 7 (24.1%)

Total Members Voted: 27


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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #100 on: 21 Jun 2011, 14:06 »

/aye I say. Thank god, there are more than 1 webcomics in my feedlist ^^.
Amen to that. And that's what makes archive trawls interesting, too.

Oh, by the way: you compared QC's pace to a sloth's. That's a cheap shot: Jeph himself compared it to a glacier's.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #101 on: 21 Jun 2011, 14:46 »

Hmmmmmmm

Dora, methinks thou doth protest too frakin' much.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #102 on: 21 Jun 2011, 14:51 »

I don't know man, I wouldn't be surprised if she still was kind of bitter about her father since that's completely natural and won't go away that easily.
I do acknowledge your point though. She does have something in her life to still have negative emotions about. I just wouldn't have associated all that with the term 'bitterness'. All the current events in her life still seem to be going well though, at least unless she's got thoughts she isn't sharing.

I totally udnerstand your point and agree with it. It's just that it was the only thing I could think of but yes... Bitterness shouldn't be the right word unless we are thinking something in the lines of "being bitter because you can't get over it as fast as you'd wish to" :)
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #103 on: 21 Jun 2011, 15:38 »

Anyone else a little shocked he just jumped to Friday like that?

Also, Dora seems to fail to realize that Faye already tried to dissuade her, and she wouldn't listen, so why try again right before the date?

I think that says it all, without actually saying she's hated on as a character.
I wasn't hating on Dora, just saying that Faye realized it was pointless to try to talk her out of it, so she might as well be as supportive as she can.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #104 on: 21 Jun 2011, 17:21 »

"elicit", not "illicit".

Nit + picking = You.  :-P
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #105 on: 21 Jun 2011, 22:47 »

And after reading todays comic...Jim comes across as a tad creepy in the last panel. Or at least having a tendency towards foot in mouth syndrome.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #106 on: 21 Jun 2011, 23:10 »

Mixed messages and self contradiction from Dora in the space of only two panels?

This date will go spectacularly.[/sarcasm]

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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #107 on: 21 Jun 2011, 23:24 »

And after reading todays comic...Jim comes across as a tad creepy in the last panel. Or at least having a tendency towards foot in mouth syndrome.

Creepy with good intentions!
I was worried he'd be more awkward...
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #108 on: 21 Jun 2011, 23:28 »

Well, they both seem to think it's an actual date, which I guess means it is
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #109 on: 21 Jun 2011, 23:48 »

Damn that is monochromatic!

And the date begins!

When is Comicon again?
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #110 on: 21 Jun 2011, 23:55 »

Quote from: Dora
Don't blow all your flattery at the beginning of the date.

I hope that's not foreshadowing for how the date's going to end, if you know what I mean.  :|
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #111 on: 21 Jun 2011, 23:56 »

That is some pretty heavy innuendo in panel three...
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #112 on: 22 Jun 2011, 00:02 »

No.  No, it was not.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #113 on: 22 Jun 2011, 00:25 »

Sexy Dora is sexy. And going with the classic LBD too. Classier than a guy with lip-fuzz deserves, but apart from that, Jim's scrubbed up pretty well. His first two compliments were OK, but I'm pretty sure he's taking the piss with number three.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #114 on: 22 Jun 2011, 00:36 »

Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #115 on: 22 Jun 2011, 00:43 »

Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
uuuuhhhh, harsh... that sounded like a very disappointed consciencem. Good one  :-D
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #116 on: 22 Jun 2011, 00:56 »

Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.

Well, I guess someone didn't take in Faye's gentle suggestion as well as Marten a couple of comics ago.

And it looks like the poll got it right this week.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #117 on: 22 Jun 2011, 01:04 »

That is some pretty heavy innuendo in panel three...

yeah, they were clearly discussing bukkake.  :mrgreen:
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #118 on: 22 Jun 2011, 01:06 »

Jim is certainly...smooth?

Seriously, that line in panel 4b was hilarious.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #119 on: 22 Jun 2011, 01:21 »

Well, I guess someone didn't take in Faye's gentle suggestion as well as Marten a couple of comics ago.

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« Reply #120 on: 22 Jun 2011, 01:26 »

Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.

I hear you, man.  :-(
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« Reply #121 on: 22 Jun 2011, 01:35 »

For a moment I actually thought Dora would be my kind of girl.  :-o

But they dont JOKE that they want a constant flow of compliments.  :-D
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #122 on: 22 Jun 2011, 02:54 »

Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #123 on: 22 Jun 2011, 03:18 »

Dora and Jim like their monochrome colours. That's the speculation Jim wanted a business-date blown up. Jim reminds me of a guy I know who would talk like that to all women and just was a constant (wannabe) charmer. From the inside it's creepy and uncomfortable but viewing it from outside it's amusing and nice banter. Odd.

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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #124 on: 22 Jun 2011, 03:31 »

Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.

Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.
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« Reply #125 on: 22 Jun 2011, 03:38 »

Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.

Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.

In that case, has Marten learned NOTHING? She's gonna dump him again and again and again! :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #126 on: 22 Jun 2011, 04:31 »

She's gonna dump whoever doesn't dump her first as long as she doesn't work out her intimacy issues.

She may be fine in the early stages of a relationship while things are nice and breezy, but as soon as she gets close to someone, those little voices are going to get louder and louder until...
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #127 on: 22 Jun 2011, 04:49 »

From a storyline point of view, I don't see why she would do all the same stuff she did with Marten all over again. That's an awful lot of time and effort to just say "Dora hasn't fixed her issues" and it's also really boring.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #128 on: 22 Jun 2011, 05:10 »

From a storyline point of view, I don't see why she would do all the same stuff she did with Marten all over again. That's an awful lot of time and effort to just say "Dora hasn't fixed her isssues" and it's also really boring.
Acutually, Jeph hasn't let us know if Dora has done any work on her issuses.

We've been shown that she went to 1 session with a therapist. Dora didn't 'get' it, but for those of us who have been through therapy, know it was a very good start.

Jeph has always used the concept of 'implied action'; Stuff happens that is not explicitly presented.

So, it has been a few weeks, Dora probably has had an additional session or 3. Let's see where this goes.

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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #129 on: 22 Jun 2011, 05:13 »

Jim seems nice. Dora seems to like him. They are both smiling

I like smiling people.

Go home you bunch of Eeyores. :)
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #130 on: 22 Jun 2011, 05:15 »

But people do tend to repeat their relationship mistakes - I can testify to this based on personal experience (having consistently failed to improve my communications with my spouse to the levels she wishes, they're getting better, but aren't where they could be yet).  
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #131 on: 22 Jun 2011, 05:28 »

From a storyline point of view, I don't see why she would do all the same stuff she did with Marten all over again. That's an awful lot of time and effort to just say "Dora hasn't fixed her issues" and it's also really boring.

Just to be clear, I'm not criticising Jeph's storytelling. I think his style is more dynamic and shows a lot of character development. That is the reason I'm not going to be skeptical about her date with Jim. I expect it to have a purpose and show the changes she's been through since Marten. It would be more realistic if she were the same and repeated her mistakes, but that is why normal people don't have TV shows.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #132 on: 22 Jun 2011, 05:40 »

I can't decide if Jim's being cute or a creeper towards the end there. o3o;
I think I'm gonna go with what Akima said ~  although Dora's face made me crack up xD Jeph's gotten great with the expressions
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #133 on: 22 Jun 2011, 05:56 »

Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.

Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.

Then it wouldn't be Marten. Its like saying "New and Improved", its either one or the other.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #134 on: 22 Jun 2011, 06:01 »

What venue will we find ourselves in this week?

The Big Date with Dora and Jim!    - 25 (36.8%)
The (not so big) Party with Tai and Marten!    - 9 (13.2%)
More CoD Shenanigans with Raven and Faye!    - 11 (16.2%)
Something happening at tSB - we find out who Elliot has a crush on!    - 0 (0%)
Hannelore watches as Marigold loses a PVP battle - against Dale!    - 15 (22.1%)
Two words: YELLING BIRD!    - 1 (1.5%)
Pintsize mods Marten's guitar. Hilarity Ensues.    - 3 (4.4%)
Waffles are made!    - 4 (5.9%)

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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #135 on: 22 Jun 2011, 06:27 »

Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.

Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.

Then it wouldn't be Marten. Its like saying "New and Improved", its either one or the other.

Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
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« Reply #136 on: 22 Jun 2011, 06:44 »

Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?

No, I'm saying that thinking along the lines of Marten 2.0 results in the Marten we know not exist, that everything we have seen him experience and go through would be for naught.

Marten 2.0 is also another way of saying "New and improved." Which is impossible. If its new, how could it be improved. If its improved then a version of it existed before and it couldn't be new. We have no way of knowing what Jim's back history is beyond owning a bakery, being divorced and having a bad lawyer. But his experiences must be different from Marten's so he can't be Marten 2.0
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #137 on: 22 Jun 2011, 06:53 »

[snip] having a bad lawyer. [/snip]

Be careful of perceptions. Everyone who has ever come out poorly in court "had a bad lawyer". 

We only have Jim's word for it. He could have screwed me marriage up (spent too much time in the bakery?), and blamed the poor outcome on his lawyer.

Jeph even discussed the 'crazy ex-' phenonminon a couple o' hundred strips back.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #138 on: 22 Jun 2011, 07:27 »

Honestly, I'd have said something like Jim's last line just to bust the girl's chops.


Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?

I think a case can be made for that. The manatee on codeine isn't very assertive, and just goes along with the flow, putting a happy face on almost eveyrthing. To at least get to the point where Jim is, you have to be able to fight (even if your ex wife and her lawyer takes you to the cleaners, at least you tried to duke it out), whether or not your persona is a fractured, fragile mess on the inside. Like Dora, for example. Girl's a mess, but she fights anyway, and has won a few victories for Coffee of Doom along the way. Marten...really doesn't.

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« Reply #139 on: 22 Jun 2011, 07:37 »

Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?

No, I'm saying that thinking along the lines of Marten 2.0 results in the Marten we know not exist, that everything we have seen him experience and go through would be for naught.

Marten 2.0 is also another way of saying "New and improved." Which is impossible. If its new, how could it be improved. If its improved then a version of it existed before and it couldn't be new. We have no way of knowing what Jim's back history is beyond owning a bakery, being divorced and having a bad lawyer. But his experiences must be different from Marten's so he can't be Marten 2.0

Meanwhile, someone that is more successful than Marten professionally is cracking the same kinds of jokes Marten used to make. That's what I was getting at (and we've already seen how Dora swooned over the idea of an older version of Marten when she met Marten's dad).
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #140 on: 22 Jun 2011, 07:47 »

Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:

The problem is that the first poster identifies with the characters and must have some emotionial involvement with them.  Jehp has taken this from a story of Marten and those around him to a hipster slacker episode of Glee. A key point in development in a comic is when you mature certain story lines and need to take a character forward. Jeph has decided to treat Marten like later Vonegut and John Le Carre male characters, thrusting them into pathetic predictable defeat.

So the story goes from Marten and his friends where we cheer for them and their cute foibles, hoping that things turn out, to a morose turn of events for the main guy as his ex girlfried thrives while his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.

If you had read this first and worked your way back, you may have accepted the Glee or contrived reality show feeling to this later story line but if you were from the beginning, you could be frustrated and betrayed by the turn of the comic. While I may not like it anymore, I am sure my 13 year old daughter would eat it up, at least until she gets a few years older.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #141 on: 22 Jun 2011, 08:43 »

From a storyline point of view, I don't see why she would do all the same stuff she did with Marten all over again. That's an awful lot of time and effort to just say "Dora hasn't fixed her issues" and it's also really boring.

Besides, it would be a helluva kick in the teeth to Butt Monkey Marten if yet another ex ended up in a successful relationship with a guy who wasn't him. Yes I think Marten's back to being the Butt Monkey/Chew Toy - he had a short break from it while dating Dora, but that has obviously ended with that relationship. Which is why I say Marten will have no luck at the party - either he'll be shot down in flames at every approach, or he'll be too depressed to accept any overtures from any Smif girls who may hit on him.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #142 on: 22 Jun 2011, 08:59 »

The problem is that the first poster identifies with the characters and must have some emotionial involvement with them.  Jehp has taken this from a story of Marten and those around him to a hipster slacker episode of Glee. A key point in development in a comic is when you mature certain story lines and need to take a character forward. Jeph has decided to treat Marten like later Vonegut and John Le Carre male characters, thrusting them into pathetic predictable defeat.

So the story goes from Marten and his friends where we cheer for them and their cute foibles, hoping that things turn out, to a morose turn of events for the main guy as his ex girlfried thrives while his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.

If you had read this first and worked your way back, you may have accepted the Glee or contrived reality show feeling to this later story line but if you were from the beginning, you could be frustrated and betrayed by the turn of the comic. While I may not like it anymore, I am sure my 13 year old daughter would eat it up, at least until she gets a few years older.

Spot on. Man, I still read the comic, but I don't feel any attachment to the characters anymore. A while ago I felt identified with several of them, or some of their personal traits, but lately they seem more and more unreal to me. I repeat: TO ME. I'm sure there're people like that in the world and I've met them, but they're just not in my social circle. That's why the last few months QC hasn't been fun for me.  :-(
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #143 on: 22 Jun 2011, 09:14 »

he had a short break from it while dating Dora,

Short, as in well over half the extent of the comic.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #144 on: 22 Jun 2011, 09:20 »

My bad, you're right about how long the "break" lasted. Either way though, it's obviously over, and Marten's had no luck with the ladies since, plus all the other crap he's had to deal with.

Sucks to be Marten once again, is all I'm saying.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #145 on: 22 Jun 2011, 10:21 »

his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.

THANK YOU.

Marten may have had one off-night where he turned into a dick and showed the false sense of entitlement of being a "Nice Guy", but that doesn't deter me from thinking that he does deserve some kind of break. Granted, this happened at first when his mother flew in to remind him what a nice living situation he had, (and he had Faye, Hannelore, and Tai to hang out with him, whereas Dora had Sven telling her how hot Marten's mom was), but now it's just devolving back into him being the scapegoat and butt of more sadistic humor, whereas Dora is able to get a date almost instantly afterwards.

Additionally, if Marten is going to find another date, he's probably going to have to go out and approach other girls, (which will take nerve now that he's no longer emitting "the scent"), whereas Dora will most likely have the guys coming to her to pick and choose from.

And someone summed it up - since one visit from his mom didn't manage to cure him of his post-breakup blues in one night, all his friends seem to be expecting him to suck it up and move on. A woman who stressed him out a bit during his relationship with various double standards still gets plenty of other guys coming to her, showing her that she can re-enter a relationship almost any time, whereas Marten will probably have to hear a few "No's" first before he gets a "yes".

Perhaps I am a little bitter, but it just means the comic is that good in order to draw some relation.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #146 on: 22 Jun 2011, 10:25 »

I'm bothered with a detail in the development since the breakup. Since Martens mom meeting Dora, there was not one point where Dora showed any interest in Marten (in the comics). Wheter he is fine, or anything. Whereas Marten did ask how she is and what she's up to. OK some people force feed him that stuff like a he's a french goose with an appointment with a clever. Not that I'd think that Martens method is healthier. As I said a long time ago, that kid has got to grow some balls or he'd be the eternal punching bag.

Sound obvious, but that could be the main point in the dislike of Dora in the readership ( It sure is mine. Way to go mr. cartonist we have an antagonist :D ). The way, she dealt with the whole breakup looks very cold blooded these days.

My bad, you're right about how long the "break" lasted. Either way though, it's obviously over, and Marten's had no luck with the ladies since, plus all the other crap he's had to deal with.

Sucks to be Marten once again, is all I'm saying.

I don't think he is really into it yet. He didn't even try very hard and in retrospect, he isn't much of a player like Steve or Sven. Dora on the other side wasn't "on the hunt" either, it was more like the nice little passive womenfolk who wants to be conquered like a virgin island (yeah I'm a sexist, sue me).

But Jim just doesn't know what he is up to right now. My bet goes on an exchange of stories about their issues, some awkward silence. Maybe a "john cusack"-like apperance of Marten (which I'd find hillarious). And some intense storytelling to a very disappointed therapist.

his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.

THANK YOU.
I dont know if he knows that little connection between Jim and Dora and the Secrety Backery. And another blow against him. POW!
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #147 on: 22 Jun 2011, 11:04 »

I mentioned that in another thread, that perhaps she is so used to dating D-bags and the break-ups and post break ups with them that perhaps this is how she deals with Marten and her break ups.  Get over him fast and not think about him and find someone new quickly as a rebound to help cement in her mind that it is over.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #148 on: 22 Jun 2011, 11:23 »

Of course, the rules of comedy state that tomorrow will see Faye and Marten on their way to the party, talking away, while Friday sees Marten and Dora crossing paths.


Cue Monday seeing the start of the QC guest week and people raging on the forum for a week about whats going to happen.
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Re: WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
« Reply #149 on: 22 Jun 2011, 11:24 »

I mentioned that in another thread, that perhaps she is so used to dating D-bags and the break-ups and post break ups with them that perhaps this is how she deals with Marten and her break ups.  Get over him fast and not think about him and find someone new quickly as a rebound to help cement in her mind that it is over.

Dora was single for a while before she went after Marten, though (as far as we know).
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