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What was THIS week's MOMENT... OF... THE WEEK?

Catching Up On The Porch
- 3 (8.1%)
"I've never really been friends with an ex before."
- 0 (0%)
"I won't have to drag your body out to the old quarry."
- 0 (0%)
Dora makes her entrance!
- 4 (10.8%)
"We saw your friends watching you and thought something interesting was going on."
- 3 (8.1%)
THOOMPTHOOMPTHOOMPTHOOMP
- 3 (8.1%)
"#### OFF I'M BUSY" (oops!)
- 4 (10.8%)
DJ OCDee-Liteful!
- 3 (8.1%)
JUST NOD YOUR HEAD AND PRETEND TO CLICK THINGS
- 7 (18.9%)
Really nice guy looking for a relationship.
- 1 (2.7%)
Casual sex?
- 0 (0%)
Stammering Blushing Tai
- 0 (0%)
"I know, you work with Marten. It'd be weird."
- 2 (5.4%)
"Right." (sad Tai)
- 1 (2.7%)
"sit out here and look all Zen-contented"
- 2 (5.4%)
"...both my legs are asleep."
- 4 (10.8%)

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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #100 on: 12 Jul 2011, 02:48 »

Enter Renee for no reason.
Renee: He couldn't into a coffeeship because of a break-up? You're both fuckin' townies!

Might I say, you accidentaly a whole word.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #101 on: 12 Jul 2011, 03:24 »

Argh, C'mon in Marten. Don't stay outside all alone :(

He probably just felt that going in together might give the wrong message.

Or he saw the crowd and knew how awkward the upcoming moment was going to be, so he decided to hang back and watch.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #102 on: 12 Jul 2011, 03:40 »

So everybody saw a couple of people having a frank and fair conversation and turned it into a big thing?

It's like a metaphor for the forum.

A metaphorum, you might say.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #103 on: 12 Jul 2011, 03:52 »

I don't think it would ever  get uncivil between these two - it got that way during the breakup and in a fight or two, but it really goes against Marten's grain, and with nothing at stake anymore, there's no reason for Dora to get nasty, either.  Even when she was mid fight at the height of the breakup, she ran off and then, very calcmly and civilly, broke it off

"Uncivil" probably wasn't the right term. I guess I just meant to avoid a fight, which gladly they have so far.

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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #104 on: 12 Jul 2011, 04:01 »

Panels two and three are the best Dora art I've seen in ages, well done.

Marten's line made me wonder about the meaning. He knows that Tai was gonna make a move on her, so when he said "go talk to Tai, she'll be thrilled", is he:
a) giving the go-ahead to said move,
b) thinking that Tai will no longer make a move since they had their 'bros' moment in the library, or
c) totally absent minded to Tai's (former?) motives?
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #105 on: 12 Jul 2011, 04:07 »

Argh, C'mon in Marten. Don't stay outside all alone :(

He probably just felt that going in together might give the wrong message.
Hmmm, that makes a lot of sense indeed. :P
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #106 on: 12 Jul 2011, 04:10 »

Panels two and three are the best Dora art I've seen in ages, well done.

Marten's line made me wonder about the meaning. He knows that Tai was gonna make a move on her, so when he said "go talk to Tai, she'll be thrilled", is he:
a) giving the go-ahead to said move,
b) thinking that Tai will no longer make a move since they had their 'bros' moment in the library, or
c) totally absent minded to Tai's (former?) motives?

Or d) a nice guy (as opposrd to a quote Nice Guy enquote) who is thinking about his friends' happiness.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #107 on: 12 Jul 2011, 04:30 »

Or e) doesn't really care whether Tai gets with Dora or not any more?
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #108 on: 12 Jul 2011, 04:58 »

Or e) doesn't really care whether Tai gets with Dora or not any more?

I maybe should've implied that more in a), meaning "meh, I'm cool either way, do what you want".
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #109 on: 12 Jul 2011, 05:10 »

So everybody saw a couple of people having a frank and fair conversation and turned it into a big thing?

It's like a metaphor for the forum.

A metaphorum, you might say.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #110 on: 12 Jul 2011, 05:29 »


Renee: He couldn't into a coffeeship because of a break-up?


Come to think of it, I'm fairly sure that Renée has some experience in that area. Does it make her a townie too if Angus was technically the one who wasn't able to come to CoD?
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #111 on: 12 Jul 2011, 05:36 »

Yeah right, from  "nah I shouldn't date anyone" to "a little voyage in my bisexual desires is ok!"

It would be interesting to watch. How she justifes it, I mean.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #112 on: 12 Jul 2011, 05:39 »

And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.


You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?

Rejected last lines for today's comic:

Partygoer: ....but now we can see it's just dumb townie drama.
Dora: We're not townies!

Enter Renee for no reason.
Renee: He couldn't go into a coffee shop because of a break-up? You're both ####in' townies!

Win.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #113 on: 12 Jul 2011, 05:52 »

And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.


You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?

"Lesbian bimbo", why?
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #114 on: 12 Jul 2011, 05:58 »

And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.
You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?
"Lesbian bimbo", why?

I thought it was some weird portmanteau, like "LesBo" or something.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #115 on: 12 Jul 2011, 06:04 »

Yeah right, from  "nah I shouldn't date anyone" to "a little voyage in my bisexual desires is ok!"

It would be interesting to watch. How she justifes it, I mean.

All she's done (or even mentioned) so far is going inside.

She hasn't even said anything to Tai yet.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #116 on: 12 Jul 2011, 06:16 »

Thus demonstrating how these forums take a small idea and run with it. 


Like dogs over a scrap of meat. 




Or maybe more like squirrels over the last nut...
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #117 on: 12 Jul 2011, 06:22 »

And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.
You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?
"Lesbian bimbo", why?

I thought it was some weird portmanteau, like "LesBo" or something.

Perhaps a "bimbian?"

RE: recent comic events: meh.

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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #118 on: 12 Jul 2011, 06:25 »

Let's not give Tai the power of Zi (another character in another comic for those who don't know). Tai invited Dora and Dora finally showed up. Nothing more than that. Both Dora and Marten are at a party and any of the usual party related things may happen to either of them. Now that the serioius moment is over, I'd rather watch hijinks the rest of the week...along with Hannelore and Marigold dancing.  :-)
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #119 on: 12 Jul 2011, 07:24 »

Let's not give Tai the power of Zi
Assuming you mean Zii, I fail to see how it would compare. If Dora was a self-closeted bi, the comparison could somewhat work, but...
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #120 on: 12 Jul 2011, 07:36 »

Faces are getting pointier and I think it looks pretty bad, especially since they change shape panel to panel. Soon all the characters will have crescent moon faces.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #121 on: 12 Jul 2011, 07:58 »

You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?

well duh, limbo!
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #122 on: 12 Jul 2011, 08:09 »

Panels two and three are the best Dora art I've seen in ages, well done.

Marten's line made me wonder about the meaning. He knows that Tai was gonna make a move on her, so when he said "go talk to Tai, she'll be thrilled", is he:
a) giving the go-ahead to said move,
b) thinking that Tai will no longer make a move since they had their 'bros' moment in the library, or
c) totally absent minded to Tai's (former?) motives?

Or d) a nice guy (as opposrd to a quote Nice Guy enquote) who is thinking about his friends' happiness.

I'd say e) I'm going to try and prove I'm cool with this and suggest you go talk to someone who's interested in you.  Let's face it though, if Tai and Dora did anything physical Marten would not be cool with it or a nice guy.

I thought it was already established Marten was a "Nice Guy"?  As in, he's complained about putting up with stuff on multiple occassions which is something a true nice guy wouldn't do.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #123 on: 12 Jul 2011, 08:29 »

It's been established that a number of people keep saying that Marten is a "Nice Guy", but that many disagree, and that some think the concept is a flawed and ill-defined stereotype in any case.  For some reason the subject tends to get the forum worked up (I think largely because the proponents of this view often come over as obsessive in this matter), so I'm inclined to discourage raising it yet again.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #124 on: 12 Jul 2011, 08:34 »

I'd say e) I'm going to try and prove I'm cool with this and suggest you go talk to someone who's interested in you.  Let's face it though, if Tai and Dora did anything physical Marten would not be cool with it or a nice guy.

I thought it was already established Marten was a "Nice Guy"?  As in, he's complained about putting up with stuff on multiple occassions which is something a true nice guy wouldn't do.

The point of contention is that if Marten was a "Nice Guy", he wouldn't genuinely be friends with Hannelore (as one of many examples). But as you pointed out, a guy can be nice in general and still have enough backbone to not put up with some of the shit Marten complains about "having" to put up with.

I think Marten definitely started out in the comic as a "Nice Guy" and has been slowly evolving into something else, but others seem to think Marten could never have been a Nice Guy. As if someone that is one can never stop being one, or something.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #125 on: 12 Jul 2011, 08:38 »

It is probably more interesting to discuss Marten's behaviour and motivations themselves, without using a label that is controversial and of uncertain meaning.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #126 on: 12 Jul 2011, 09:00 »

PWHodges is correct. i should not have brought up the nice vs. Nice straw man. I should have said "decent guy" instead. Maybe "considerate."
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #127 on: 12 Jul 2011, 09:37 »

You're thinking 'pecs', right? I'm not really familiar with gym equipment...
Nay.  Look at the top of the thing, it's called a "Bowflex".  When I was growing up I'd always see commercials for those.

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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #128 on: 12 Jul 2011, 09:47 »

It is probably more interesting to discuss Marten's behaviour and motivations themselves, without using a label that is controversial and of uncertain meaning.

It's only controversial to the people that think it applies to them, really. The meaning really isn't all that uncertain at all, since it basically boils down to "any guy with a martyr complex that is incapable of forming a lasting relationship with a woman that isn't predicated on lies (or pretty much any misogynist)".

Anyone that was seriously posting here calling Dora a whore or slut for not waiting until Marten was okay with it before going out with Jim, for example.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #129 on: 12 Jul 2011, 09:51 »

The meaning really isn't all that uncertain at all,

Wikipedia disagrees:
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One difficulty in studying the "nice guy" phenomenon is due to the ambiguity of the "nice guy" construct. Participants in studies interpret "nice guy" to mean different things.
followed by examples and references to studies.

That's enough for me to say that the controversy that using the term here brings just isn't worth the trouble.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #130 on: 12 Jul 2011, 10:12 »

The meaning really isn't all that uncertain at all,

Wikipedia disagrees:
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One difficulty in studying the "nice guy" phenomenon is due to the ambiguity of the "nice guy" construct. Participants in studies interpret "nice guy" to mean different things.
followed by examples and references to studies.

That's enough for me to say that the controversy that using the term here brings just isn't worth the trouble.

Counterpoint: Every movie with Micheal Cera, Jesse Eisenberg from "The Squid and the Whale" and "Adventureland", Steve Carrell in "The 40 Year Old Virgin", Zach Braff in "The Last Kiss", Max Minghella in "Art School Confidential" and pretty much every movie Woody Allen has ever been in, as well.

All "Nice Guys", and Marten shares characteristics with all of them (except he hasn't had the "right woman" come along to make him come out of his horrible, awkward shell like they do in those movies).

EDIT: Keep in mind that we're talking about portrayals in fiction, too.

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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #131 on: 12 Jul 2011, 10:46 »

"Nice Guy" is a label which doesn't mean much except something negative. So what we're gonna do is define that label so that it fits Marten's characteristics. And then other people will redefine the term "Nice Guy" and because Marten already falls under the label "Nice Guy", "logic" dictates that he has the characteristics in their definition. i.e. The label results in people attributing characteristics to Marten that he doesn't have and the forum becomes angry fanfic.

Don't make like we're all rational enough to stop this from happening.

Another thing: Even if we were to agree on the exact characteristics of "Nice Guy", it's not like it's a species of plant. It will only result (has resulted) in people deciding that he is partly a "Nice Guy" and then debating to what degree he fits in a category that was made up in the first place. Is there such a thing as partly an Oak Tree? No. Because that label actually works.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #132 on: 12 Jul 2011, 10:49 »

You would have a point if the term hasn't been around since (at least) 1939.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #133 on: 12 Jul 2011, 10:52 »

I've given up on the term nice guy, I like "gentleman."
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #134 on: 12 Jul 2011, 10:58 »

Woops, I already removed the post because I figured it wasn't productive. You caught me  :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #135 on: 12 Jul 2011, 10:59 »

I have no idea what you're talking about.  :mrgreen:
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #136 on: 12 Jul 2011, 11:01 »

You would have a point if the term hasn't been around since (at least) 1939.
Dude, what?  1939 was about the Science Fairy and the Arbor Day Giraffe.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #137 on: 12 Jul 2011, 11:02 »

I meant the literal year, where (as far as anyone that has researched it can tell) the phrase "Nice Guys Finish Last" comes from (as a bastardization of a different quote by a baseball coach).
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #138 on: 12 Jul 2011, 11:05 »

ANYWAY
(except he hasn't had the "right woman" come along to make him come out of his horrible, awkward shell like they do in those movies).

Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
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« Reply #139 on: 12 Jul 2011, 11:14 »

ANYWAY
(except he hasn't had the "right woman" come along to make him come out of his horrible, awkward shell like they do in those movies).

Manic Pixie Dream Girl.

Here's your Nice Guy.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #140 on: 12 Jul 2011, 11:17 »

I meant the literal year, where (as far as anyone that has researched it can tell) the phrase "Nice Guys Finish Last" comes from (as a bastardization of a different quote by a baseball coach).
Yeah, but that's less "being passive agressive" and more "not intentionally stabbing people with baseball cleats when sliding into a base".
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #141 on: 12 Jul 2011, 11:56 »

So, Dora figures she can't be serious with someone until she recovers a bit.

We haven't seen her do casual, but she's never ruled it out either, and she does tease about it. Many a true word is spoken in jest. She was probably, but not necessarily, teasing about letting Tai be her post-Marten rebound.

Tai has Real Feelings toward her.

If they get together, there could be drama from mismatched expectations. From what Dora knows of Tai, she'd expect to be a casual fling.

I hope this doesn't happen, because I don't want the imaginary people to get hurt.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #142 on: 12 Jul 2011, 11:59 »

So, Dora figures she can't be serious with someone until she recovers a bit.

We haven't seen her do casual, but she's never ruled it out either, and she does tease about it. Many a true word is spoken in jest. She was probably, but not necessarily, teasing about letting Tai be her post-Marten rebound.

Tai has Real Feelings toward her.

If they get together, there could be drama from mismatched expectations. From what Dora knows of Tai, she'd expect to be a casual fling.

I hope this doesn't happen, because I don't want the imaginary people to get hurt.


I hope this doesn't happen because it would literally be the worst thing Jeph could do next to giving all the creepy Hannelore Rule #34 people their wish.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #143 on: 12 Jul 2011, 12:04 »

What makes you say that?
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #144 on: 12 Jul 2011, 12:10 »

What makes you say that?

Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut, personified. Having Dora hook up with her in meaningless rebound sex after the conversation she just had with Jim would be a terrible, terrible direction for the story to go in.

Some random, nameless person at the party (Dude with wings on his shirt?), maybe. But not a named character that everyone is going to be able to put an out-of-character behavior interpretation on.

Unless Tai turns Dora down, that's the only way it could play out and still "work".
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #145 on: 12 Jul 2011, 12:11 »

ohai awkward greeting. Let's hope Faye and Hanners don't get punished for this (Angus and Marigold are accessories on a technicality, so they get off scot-free).
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #146 on: 12 Jul 2011, 12:17 »

Terrible as in untrue to the characters, or as in inferior storytelling, or as in unpleasant to read?

(It doesn't have to be just one of those).
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« Reply #147 on: 12 Jul 2011, 12:19 »

Terrible as in untrue to the characters, or as in inferior storytelling, or as in unpleasant to read?

(It doesn't have to be just one of those).

I'd say 50/50 the first two, with the margin of error being taken up by the last one.

Though I still say Dora going all Carrie on the party via guest strips would still be a good way to end the week.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #148 on: 12 Jul 2011, 12:22 »

Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut
That's rather harsh.
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Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
« Reply #149 on: 12 Jul 2011, 12:30 »

Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut
That's rather harsh.

Not when you consider how often that portrayal of her has been used as a gag in this comic.
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