Topic: WCDT: 2011-2015 (12-16 Sep 2011) (Read 69088 times)

John_Knee · « **Reply #200 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 10:04 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 15 Sep 2011, 04:47

Besides, the bouncer would be an employee, and would need to dress the part - I see Elliot in an uncofortably snug plaid vest and a bowler that's about 2 sizes too small, tipped back at a precarious angle, thus enhancing his bulk...

Assuming he was on duty that day... The fact he was drinking there with Padma etc previously would suggest he could be a customer on his days off.

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #201 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 10:26 »

I'm not sure that we're clear who Elliot's interested in or what his protective instinct is being triggered by.

given 1845 and 1847 we know that at least at that point it was a female he was hung up on and that it was someone who was (probably) not within earshot. Then 1847 shows that they were remote enough to require texting (granted, he could have been texting someone in the shop)

But then again there's 1865 where we see Elliot give Marten a bit of a cold shoulder on Padma's intro and then look consternated when Padma says Steve is cute.

Of course, he could be carrying torches for several women at the same time in a hopeless romantic kind of way.

I'm getting the sense that Padma and the shop in general gets put in the role of de facto babysitter for Sam pretty frequently so it's likely that all of them are protective of Sam. Elliot's main experience with Marten as a non-customer was probably seeing him and Steve drunk and fighting over Padma's attentions so Elliot probably needs to be convinced that Marten's actually OK.

Thrudd · « **Reply #202 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 10:33 »

Firstly - RUSH ... woooooo

Now onto something a little less serious.
It was mentioned that Momo's flexible covering was not like skin. Unfortunately I have not been able to verify that as yet [the google skillz is weak in this one] but I have noticed that on top of the lack of hard visible joins that the poor thing can blush. as seen in panel 2 here and that this is a feature not unique to the new chassis either "as shown in the last panel here"

So if the skin like covering has the delicate function of being able to simulate a blush then surface details on texture, elasticity and heat conductivity are minor details in comparison.
Makes you wonder about the specifics on the sensor arrays built into the AnthroPC skin. Parameter types measured, sensitivity and scaling factors, density and data distribution as well as how they would be encoded to interface with the AI? Well that could just be my inner Engineer Geek speaking though.

Wimblesaurus · « **Reply #203 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 11:13 »

Quote from: FunkyTuba on 15 Sep 2011, 10:26

But then again there's 1865 where we see Elliot give Marten a bit of a cold shoulder on Padma's intro and then look consternated when Padma says Steve is cute.

Elliot's pretty shy, it seems, so his laconic response to and lack of eye contact with Marten could have been evading interaction for that reason. His look of consternation could have been a reaction to Padma completely ignoring Marten's bashfulness.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #204 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 11:21 »

Quote from: JordanDH on 15 Sep 2011, 09:22

I'm going to ignore the big tip that Elliot's into Padma, and say that he's into Marten instead.

SHYAMALAN'D!

Nah, that's just an ordinary twist.
A shayamalan twist is where it turns out he's her adoptive brother but wants her anyway because though it's weird it's actually not that bad but then they find out they are actually real half-siblings.

JordanDH · « **Reply #205 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 12:33 »

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 15 Sep 2011, 11:21

Quote from: JordanDH on 15 Sep 2011, 09:22
I'm going to ignore the big tip that Elliot's into Padma, and say that he's into Marten instead.

SHYAMALAN'D!
Nah, that's just an ordinary twist.
A shayamalan twist is where it turns out he's her adoptive brother but wants her anyway because though it's weird it's actually not that bad but then they find out they are actually real half-siblings.

What if it's not really a coffee shop, what if they're aliens FROM THE FUTURE?!

westrim · « **Reply #206 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 12:44 »

Only if those aliens find water poisonous.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #207 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 13:31 »

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 15 Sep 2011, 11:21

Quote from: JordanDH on 15 Sep 2011, 09:22
I'm going to ignore the big tip that Elliot's into Padma, and say that he's into Marten instead.

SHYAMALAN'D!
Nah, that's just an ordinary twist.
A shayamalan twist is where it turns out he's her adoptive brother but wants her anyway because though it's weird it's actually not that bad but then they find out they are actually real half-siblings.

Isn't that just a Reverse Tenenbaum?

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #208 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 13:39 »

Rush has been mentioned before, in 463 and in the strip where Hannelore counts them off with a series of prime numbers.

daryljfontaine · « **Reply #209 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 15:00 »

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 15 Sep 2011, 11:21

Quote from: JordanDH on 15 Sep 2011, 09:22
I'm going to ignore the big tip that Elliot's into Padma, and say that he's into Marten instead.

SHYAMALAN'D!
Nah, that's just an ordinary twist.
A shayamalan twist is where it turns out he's her adoptive brother but wants her anyway because though it's weird it's actually not that bad but then they find out they are actually real half-siblings.

Sort of but not quite the plot of a Nip/Tuck episode.

Related: Shyamaland would look like an awesome theme park from the outside, but once you'd ridden the couple of rides were actually cool, you'd realize that any thrill you might get from the rest was overshadowed by their horrible design.

D

BlueMark · « **Reply #210 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 17:27 »

Quote from: John_Knee on 14 Sep 2011, 04:15

On the basis that she seems to think he is Momo's father, maybe she sees him more as the parent of her kid's friend - although she obviously isn't Sam's mother (although she might have taken on motherly duties when Sam is around).

For a while I was wondering if Padma was Sam's mother. Interesting dynamic if the two ex's continue working at the family business, one at night, the other during the day, after a "rough divorce" ... and Sam does look like she could be a Jim/Padma hybrid ... but alas, Padma doesn't seem old enough, and she wouldn't have referred to Jim as "the owner".

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #211 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 18:04 »

Also, it didn't sound like that amicable a divorce.

Kugai · « **Reply #212 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 18:55 »

If this keeps up, i think Marten will wind up a Leonard Cohen fan

Or Garry Jukes

LeeC · « **Reply #213 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:04 »

damnit marigold!

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #214 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:05 »

At least Momo knows her well enough to take it in stride.

RefD · « **Reply #215 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:24 »

Marigold needs to work on the sensitivity and interpersonal skills.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #216 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:29 »

If only she had access to some kind of database of social protocols ...

DSL · « **Reply #217 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:33 »

It's all about who calls the shots, innit, Mari? Actually, I understand. Been there, felt like an ass afterward for being that way.
And the slap-upside-the-head option is still available. If that doesn't work, Momo has something that'll knock yer socks off.

themacnut · « **Reply #218 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:38 »

I think Mari requires the slap-upside-the-head at this particular time. If I were there, I'd certainly apply it.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #219 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:41 »

I would love to see a "What about MY needs?!" speech from Momo.

Wimblesaurus · « **Reply #220 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 22:45 »

Marigold could make an extreme sport out of lack of self-awareness.

stoutfiles · « **Reply #221 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 23:16 »

See Marigold, your robot pet is already making you unhappy with her freedom and free will. It's time House Maid OS 3.1 get uploaded while she's in a low power state.

DSL · « **Reply #222 on:** 15 Sep 2011, 23:45 »

Shoulda started a betting pool on when stoutfiles weighed in with that one ...

VonKleist · « **Reply #223 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 00:13 »

Whoa, way to be a jerk, Marigold :O

Blackjoker · « **Reply #224 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 00:20 »

*debates between serious penguin hat and analytical penguin hat, decides on analytical* Surprisingly I'm kind of on Marigolds side, or at least sort of get part of her feeling. From a slightly different perspective, imagine if you will that your pet was invited to go on a trip with a bunch of new people, made quite a few new friends, etc. while you on the other hand seem to be avoided by most people. I'm not saying that it makes Marigolds 'not now, busy' any less an example of lack of self awareness, but I can sympathize with a feeling of anger/frustration. Marigold had poor self image, and remember that she also commented how she wished she could change her body the same way that Momo changes hers, and now that Momos body changed, she suddenly got a LOT more popular. That is going to subconsciously reinforce some of Marigolds own problems. The fact that no one seemed to have even thought to invite her is another thing worth thinking about, but meh.

And on a slightly different note, Marigold is an introvert, she was reading, her main fear may well be that Momo was going to abandon her. Given how few close friends she has, or even people that she would genuinely consider friends, the idea of losing any of them has got to be pretty painful. Add in that she did this as a gift for Momo and may have set her back a good amount...well resentment can be understandable, just saying.

akronnick · « **Reply #225 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 00:30 »

Marigold should meet Elliot.

Just to see what happens.

Soulsynger · « **Reply #226 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 00:36 »

Fast forward into the future: Pintsize gets a new chassis and flirts with Momo who has been in a secret relationship with Winslow for the past couple of years... we all explode thinking "how could two robots have a relationship?".

Also... if we put a female anthro-pc in a male chassis, would Marigold be attracted to Momo? (woah, non sequitur that kinda makes sense.)

My brain travels to weird spaces reading this webcomic from start to present over and over again...

Kugai · « **Reply #227 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 00:45 »

Oh for FRAKS SAKE Mairgold!!!!

*Feels like kicking her in the ass - HARD *

Cornan · « **Reply #228 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 01:06 »

And we see once again why Marigold doesn't have any friends except those she's been forced to make.

~~cesariojpn~~ · « **Reply #229 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 03:30 »

Quote from: Soulsynger on 16 Sep 2011, 00:36

Fast forward into the future: Pintsize gets a new chassis and flirts with Momo who has been in a secret relationship with Winslow for the past couple of years... we all explode thinking "how could two robots have a relationship?"

In Boyfriend bot. You need to add that factiod in.

jwhouk · « **Reply #230 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 03:45 »

And the usual start: What's on tap for this week?

Momo and Samantha bond over Pokemon!    - 10 (11.1%)
The Band Actually Gets A Gig!    - 6 (6.7%)
Dora's got a new admirer...    - 0 (0%)
Pintsize wants a new chassis!    - 8 (8.9%)
Faye and Angus' first (relationship) argument!    - 3 (3.3%)
Tai trains Momo at the library.    - 14 (15.6%)
It finally happens: Hannerdad comes down to earth!    - 5 (5.6%)
Check-in on one of the other characters (Sven, Raven, Pen, Will)    - 12 (13.3%)
Who cares? I'm just here for the party.    - 12 (13.3%)
Happy Toaster makes Fun Waffles!    - 5 (5.6%)
Never forget.    - 5 (5.6%)
Shelby Shelby SHELBY!!!    - 10 (11.1%)

Total Voters: 90

Timmy · « **Reply #231 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 03:45 »

First time poster etc

Imagine that you loaned a friend $30K to buy a car

And then that friend used that car to become a social butterfly

See where I'm going with this? I'm not excusing Marigold's behaviour, because it's childish, but I'd be hard pressed not to feel a bit put upon in the situation.

Tova · « **Reply #232 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 04:35 »

Quote from: Timmy on 16 Sep 2011, 03:45

Imagine that you loaned a friend $30K to buy a car

And then that friend used that car to become a social butterfly

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest, no I don't...

idontunderstand · « **Reply #233 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 04:40 »

Are you trying to sell us a car? IDGI!

Timmy · « **Reply #234 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 05:01 »

Quote from: idontunderstand on 16 Sep 2011, 04:40

Are you trying to sell us a car? IDGI!

CAUGHT!

Nah, the metaphor was supposed to be loaning money to a friend who uses it to socially enhance themselves to the (perceived) detriment of your friendship.

dragontart · « **Reply #235 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 05:04 »

Does Marigold envy Momo her new "life" or does she just fear to lose Momo? I wouldn't understand the first one, I guess (since Marigold obviously doesn't want to have time for social stuff). What exactly does Marigold want (Momo to (not) do)?

Timmy · « **Reply #236 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 05:16 »

Does it have to be either/or? My interpretation was that Marigold was envious of Momo's ability to fall on the new opportunities presented. In her own unconsciously selfish manner, Marigold likely wants Momo to be 'like she used to be', but the game has changed.

John_Knee · « **Reply #237 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 05:16 »

Quote from: Blackjoker on 16 Sep 2011, 00:20

And on a slightly different note, Marigold is an introvert, she was reading, her main fear may well be that Momo was going to abandon her. Given how few close friends she has, or even people that she would genuinely consider friends, the idea of losing any of them has got to be pretty painful. Add in that she did this as a gift for Momo and may have set her back a good amount...well resentment can be understandable, just saying.

I was going to say something similiar. Marigold only has two close friends in Angus and Momo (although Hanners is getting there) so for one of them 'disappearing' to spend time with others then that is a major culture shock. Add to the fact Angus is also spending more time with Faye then Marigold's reaction is understandable. It would be a less of a deal to someone who is more extroverted and have more friends.

The question is whether or not Momo offered the "lets go eat, see something" as a response to what Marigold said only and she (Marigold) is taking it as Momo trying to keep her sweet and to stop her complaining (a very male way of putting it). I've known plenty of situations where the female (in these situations) complain to their boyfriends they aren't getting enough attention and the male respond by offering to take them out or buy them flowers on the way home from work (if the complaint was made over the phone). The gesture has been made by the male, but not of their own initative. Hope that makes sense.

If Marigold responded with "Yes, lets go eat/see a movie" etc then there is the danger that she might feel desparate or needy for the attention.

Quote from: Blackjoker on 16 Sep 2011, 00:20

And we see once again why Marigold doesn't have any friends except those she's been forced to make.

That comment shows a complete understanding of what it is like to be introverted. Introverts don't seek out a large group of friends and the most introverted of people can make do with literately 1-2 close friends and a smallish group of associates that they know and will talk to but wouldn't in the traditional sense call friends. She (Marigold) doesn't have many friends because she hasn't tried to have a bigger group than Momo and Angus, with Hanners maybe joining that close friend status. Everyone else in her mind will be an extension of Angus and if Faye and Angus split up then there is no reason why she would otherwise seek people like Martin out. She may only continue to 'associate' with the rest of the characters of Coffee of Doom as long as Faye and Angus are together. If they did split up, she may still associate with the rest if Hanners joins her close friend group - in which case everyone else will become an extension of Hanners.

Mr. Doctor · « **Reply #238 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 05:47 »

Don't know about you guys but Mari lost a little portion of the respect I had for her.

Quote from: themacnut on 15 Sep 2011, 22:38

I think Mari requires the slap-upside-the-head at this particular time. If I were there, I'd certainly apply it.

Absolutely. It would be nice if Momo could give her a speech or something.

VonKleist · « **Reply #239 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 06:23 »

Quote from: John_Knee on 16 Sep 2011, 05:16

That comment shows a complete understanding of what it is like to be introverted. Introverts don't seek out a large group of friends and the most introverted of people can make do with literately 1-2 close friends and a smallish group of associates that they know and will talk to but wouldn't in the traditional sense call friends. She (Marigold) doesn't have many friends because she hasn't tried to have a bigger group than Momo and Angus, with Hanners maybe joining that close friend status. Everyone else in her mind will be an extension of Angus and if Faye and Angus split up then there is no reason why she would otherwise seek people like Martin out. She may only continue to 'associate' with the rest of the characters of Coffee of Doom as long as Faye and Angus are together. If they did split up, she may still associate with the rest if Hanners joins her close friend group - in which case everyone else will become an extension of Hanners.

That might have some truth to it, but I´d like to point out how Marigold is mostly whiny about her social inaptitude and how she enjoyed the evening out at the bar with Marten, Faye etc. She didn't seem to mind socializing then, at least didn't give a sort of "meh, I´m content with having, say, 2 close friends and that´s about it"-vibe. I know having lot´s of social interaction isn't for everyone but I was under the impression it suited Marigold fine.

LordVaughn · « **Reply #240 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 06:34 »

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 15 Sep 2011, 11:21

Quote from: JordanDH on 15 Sep 2011, 09:22
I'm going to ignore the big tip that Elliot's into Padma, and say that he's into Marten instead.

SHYAMALAN'D!
Nah, that's just an ordinary twist.
A shayamalan twist is where it turns out he's her adoptive brother but wants her anyway because though it's weird it's actually not that bad but then they find out they are actually real half-siblings.

A crazier twist would be that they would have been siblings, but their parents were killed by aliens who copied his parents almost exactly when his mother was pregnant. Bonus points if you know what I'm refrencing.

kent_eh · « **Reply #241 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 06:45 »

I think Marigold would like to have more friends (and might envy others their ability to make friends) but she sees herself as not worthy of other people's friendship.
Which feeds back and re-enforces her self doubts, which eventually ramp up into a self loathing.

Remember Hanners trying to convince Mari that nice people *do* actuallt want to be her friend.

Somebody · « **Reply #242 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 06:59 »

Quote from: stoutfiles on 15 Sep 2011, 23:16

See Marigold, your robot pet is already making you unhappy with her freedom and free will. It's time House Maid OS 3.1 get uploaded while she's in a low power state.

That's illegal in Massachusettes...

John_Knee · « **Reply #243 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 07:19 »

Quote from: VonKleist on 16 Sep 2011, 06:23

Quote from: John_Knee on 16 Sep 2011, 05:16
That comment shows a complete understanding of what it is like to be introverted. Introverts don't seek out a large group of friends and the most introverted of people can make do with literately 1-2 close friends and a smallish group of associates that they know and will talk to but wouldn't in the traditional sense call friends. She (Marigold) doesn't have many friends because she hasn't tried to have a bigger group than Momo and Angus, with Hanners maybe joining that close friend status. Everyone else in her mind will be an extension of Angus and if Faye and Angus split up then there is no reason why she would otherwise seek people like Martin out. She may only continue to 'associate' with the rest of the characters of Coffee of Doom as long as Faye and Angus are together. If they did split up, she may still associate with the rest if Hanners joins her close friend group - in which case everyone else will become an extension of Hanners.

That might have some truth to it, but I´d like to point out how Marigold is mostly whiny about her social inaptitude and how she enjoyed the evening out at the bar with Marten, Faye etc. She didn't seem to mind socializing then, at least didn't give a sort of "meh, I´m content with having, say, 2 close friends and that´s about it"-vibe. I know having lot´s of social interaction isn't for everyone but I was under the impression it suited Marigold fine.

But a lot of introverts wished they had better social skills even if they don't necessarily look to be in a position where they need to use them. They want to know the protocol so that if forced into a certain social situation, so they would have a rough idea of how they are supposed to act even if it doesn't come natural. If you recall she was pressurised by Momo to go and was all hesitantly about going in. The evening might have gone fine, but it doesn't mean she'd necesarily want to go out like that all the time. Plus she had been drinking despite the evidance she knew little about alcohol. Maybe Marigold needs to drink more in order to 'enjoy' a social evening.

Elysiana · « **Reply #244 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 07:41 »

I do believe this is the first time Marigold has actually pissed me off. And I'm a bit torn, too. I can understand and empathize with her saying she's upset that Momo is suddenly excluding her - she wants to be part of the fun, and she has a hard time making friends. Momo suddenly has the ability to do things she's probably always dreamed of, and yes, that may mean excluding Marigold to some extent, but if Mari has so few friends that just ONE going to do something with someone else is devastating, maybe she needs to rethink how she interacts with people. Marigold sees it as "It's not fair, why does she suddenly get to have friends besides me" but as few friends as Mari has, does Momo have ANY besides Marigold? Momo has ALWAYS been there for Marigold and put up with a lot of her bullshit, including this little "not now" gem.

I think I'm with the guy who mentioned loaning money to a friend to buy a car. While giving something to someone doesn't obligate them to do anything for you, it's kind of rude to exclude them and then TELL them what you did without them, especially when you know they have trouble getting out but want to. Mari's jealous and sulky now, and to some extent it's understandable. She probably wishes there was some magic item that would suddenly make her popular. She feels like she bought that magic item for Momo and now Momo is ungrateful. (Not saying that's how it is, but maybe how Mari perceives it.)

At the same time, Mari's "not now" response makes me want to smack her. "You can only do stuff with me, when I want to do it" is essentially what she's saying, and that's just a nasty, controlling way to act. I wonder if she would treat a human that way, or does she just think it's not fair that a robot should be able to make friends more easily than she can...

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #245 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 08:14 »

Marigirl did some self-loathing over the idea of Momo cooking for her. Perhaps she has an overall self-loathing about relying on Momo so much. That could come out in strange ways, for example suddenly acting unavailable to socialize with her roommate.

Or maybe she really does consider Magical Love Gentlemen (I saw the title on ustream before the hands went over it) to be a non-interruptible activity.

vsonics · « **Reply #246 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 09:40 »

Quote from: John_Knee on 16 Sep 2011, 05:16

Introverts don't seek out a large group of friends and the most introverted of people can make do with literately 1-2 close friends and a smallish group of associates that they know and will talk to but wouldn't in the traditional sense call friends.

That's not entirely true, either. While it does describe some introverts, what really "makes" an introvert or extrovert is where they get their energy from. If you need time to be by yourself and enjoy some alone time after hanging out with people because that's tiring, bingo: introvert. While they are factors, introversion doesn't always have anything to do with social skills or ability to make and enjoy friends.

I do agree with the fact that Marigold is an introvert. She likes to read by herself, she likes to play video games by herself, she's pretty cool with just chilling in her room on her own. Most of the time. Because that doesn't mean that she doesn't need ANY social interactions, or even doesn't want them. She obviously feels like her social life is lacking. She wants more friends, she just isn't sure how to get them. Which brings us to her real problem.

It's not Marigold's introversion that's getting in the way of things; it's the fact that she's shy and hasn't gotten to the point where she feels comfortable putting herself out there. And when she does, it's only on her own terms, when she wants, right now. Which is understandable, especially given that she is an introvert. But then you see her complaining about how she doesn't have a social life and you want to hit her on the head for passing up on past opportunities. (And sometimes just bein' a stupidhead.)

Mature Marigold would realize that you have to put some work into cultivating relationships and that sometimes going out to the movies tonight even if you don't feel like it will make going out when you DO feel like it that much more possible. And I don't think she's become mature Marigold yet. Hopefully she's getting there.

Spectreofwar · « **Reply #247 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 09:40 »

I'm curious to know Questionablecontentfan's take on today's comic in earnest.

Elysiana · « **Reply #248 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 09:42 »

Mostly I just think it's crappy to do something nice for someone and then resent them for it when they get "too much" benefit from it.

Mari's attitude about life seems akin to saying you want to be good at playing the guitar, and then not practicing, and then complaining that you're no good at playing so why bother.

VonKleist · « **Reply #249 on:** 16 Sep 2011, 10:05 »

Quote from: Elysiana on 16 Sep 2011, 09:42

Mari's attitude about life seems akin to saying you want to be good at playing the guitar, and then not practicing, and then complaining that you're no good at playing so why bother.

Sounds like QCfan!

...I´m sorry -.-

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