Topic: WCDT 2036 - 2040, Oct 17th - 21st 2011 (Read 121626 times)

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #350 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 04:18 »

Quote from: themacnut on 21 Oct 2011, 03:52

Quote from: westrim on 21 Oct 2011, 03:31

Why do you think it's a facade? Why would she sob or be downcast or have something wrong?

This isn't a negative event, this is a giant positive. She's reacting to its size, not its quality. The man she cares about said loves her, she said it back, and now she's grappling with the dimension of that. If she starts crying, they're gonna be tears of joy or tension, not sadness. Right now, she's genuinely, cheerfully happy- in vino veritas and all that.

And if she is indeed genuinely happy over this (although she didn't seem that happy at the bar to me), considering it some kind of massive emotional breakthough, then Marten truly has no reason to suspect something's wrong requiring him to stay home and comfort her. He's perfectly justified in acting as he has, annoyed at the timing of this particular bender and resolving to leave her at home. I see nothing jerkish about that, especially if he doesn't think anything's wrong.

See, people are complicated. Faye is likely quite happy to be "in love" as in romantic devotion because it's actually quite a nice feeling all on its own and to have it treturned is amazing. But she's also probably terrified for subconscious reasons relating to her father's suicide and then on top of hat confused about why she's terrified of being in love all of a sudden and worried what that confusion really means for the long-term stability of her relationship that she actually likes being in.
Booze, by suppressing inhibitions, would probably make her feel happier up to a point since irrational terror is somewhat inhibitive and removing that also lessens the confusion and worry. But past that point the scale start to tip backwards with the removal of the deeper inhibition that prevents her recognising the source of the terror for what it is.
And so on.

gangler · « **Reply #351 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 04:18 »

Huh. I'd always though Bollocks meant Butt. If it's Balls that entirely changes the meaning of her phrase "Bugger me Bollocks". Much less uncomfortable as a moment between friends. Actually thought that was part of why he was bailing the second she came in. Just like "Oh great. Drunk Faye's propositioning me. I so do not need this right now".

I'm gonna say that I'm in the party who thinks she's not too happy about this. Not to say she's mortified or anything, but she's freaking out a little. Maybe a little depressed and scared because she let her guard down just a tad more than she intended to. Situation with Angus is getting to the point where she's beginning to lose control and that's not a good feeling. I can relate and I don't have anything close to her own trauma based issues. It's a pretty human response.

jwhouk · « **Reply #352 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 04:19 »

My only hope is that Jeph didn't just put Angus "on a bus". (I know, a train isn't the same as a bus, but you know what I mean.)

snubnose · « **Reply #353 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 04:30 »

For the record, personally I think Faye just doesnt like it that Angus isnt there.

Not that she's in any way upset that they said the words to each other.

pwhodges · « **Reply #354 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 04:46 »

Quote from: gangler on 21 Oct 2011, 04:18

the meaning of her phrase "Bugger me Bollocks".

It has no meaning; she has just drunkenly thrown together a few British-sounding words.

TinPenguin · « **Reply #355 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 04:49 »

Quote from: snubnose on 21 Oct 2011, 04:30

For the record, personally I think Faye just doesnt like it that Angus isnt there.

Not that she's in any way upset that they said the words to each other.

When I read yesterday's comic, my first thought was also that she realised how much she would miss him. It's not insignificant that she realises how attached she is at the very moment he leaves her. Leaving for the weekend, yes, but nonetheless leaving her. She's now left with this sudden awareness that she loves him, combined with her trust/abandonment issues, and she is all alone. That is obviously going to trigger emotions that she would struggle to cope with. The point of a coping mechanism, however, is to let you cope. At the moment she is drunk off her face, much less inhibited, and is staving off her issues for the time being. So of course, it's not going to come through in her behaviour that there's anything wrong. She was drinking so that even she would forget anything was wrong.

And Marten is perfectly justified. He may be her flatmate and her close friend, but he's not her mother, and he's not her partner. Marten had plans for that evening, plans involving other people, and plans which from the sound of it also were to involve Faye. If she comes in drunk and rambunctious, babbling in faux-English-gentspeak, that's no indication that he is somehow obliged to cancel his plans, only that she is clearly in no fit state to go out.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #356 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 05:25 »

I think that many of us raises hand are simply worried sick about the prospect of something horrible happening to Faye. Some of us want to blame Marten for not being an omniscient big brother to her at a time of need. Some of us want to rationalize it away one way or another. Some want to yell at others for not buying our pet theory.

Touching.

Really.

Hugs to all.

HiFranc · « **Reply #357 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 05:30 »

As I understand it the "Pip pip" thing was something that appeared in British literature before the First World War (normally centred around upper class characters). I may be British but I'm not an expert on literature so I may be wrong. This discussion makes me think of a documentary I heard a while ago though I'm not sure if the phrase "Pip pip" turned up there.

El_Flesh · « **Reply #358 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 06:10 »

Sorry, I don't see Marten NOT being resentful on some level that Faye simply didn't want him.
I can see him having enough of her eventually, and this is just a sign of it - to me, anyway.

Well these are characters, not actual people, so the story would go different.
Sure would be something for Marten to move away to follow a chick AGAIN!
How could you handle a double-coast comic???

rje · « **Reply #359 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 06:21 »

...I'm starting to think I'm a terrible person because the only thought I came away with from today's comic was 'what bar doesn't let you in if you're already drunk??'
That was the only way we went to bars, you get toasty on cheap shitty wine & vodka beforehand at home so you don't have to spend as much at the bar to keep the buzz going/get drunker.

But on the real topic I guess lol
I am a bit surprised at Marten's reaction but I'll wait til Monday to see if there's a good reason for it
I will say Jeph might want to cut back on/lighten the lines under his eyes, they keep making him look upset/tired when I don't think he's supposed to be.

Welu · « **Reply #360 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 06:26 »

For most pubs it depends on the type of drunk. As Marten said, Faye is obviously drunk and being a bit loud and rowdy. If you're just buzzing a bit but being civil, they either won't notice or won't care because they don't think you'll be trouble.

innermoppet · « **Reply #361 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 06:41 »

You know I was actually proud of Marten here. If he canceled his plans and spent the night listening to Faye's BS, everyone would be whinging about what a doormat he is. He has plans and he's sticking with them. He's allowed to go off and have fun and not babysit and monitor all of Faye's issues. Especially when she has so many. You can be a good friend without giving away every single part of yourself to someone else. For F***s sake Marten, enjoy your damned dancing!

My QC-sense tells me that we are gonna be seeing Sven soon. IMHO, that's the real unresolved issue that still lingering around in Faye's subconsciousness.

grimeyville · « **Reply #362 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 07:04 »

What would be entertaining here is if Faye tries to keep Marten from leaving, and then punch him unconscious in her drunken state, showing that no matter who drinks, Marten ends up floored.

- He misses his fun dancing.

- Faye wakes up sober.

- Hilarity or rather angst ensues

Akima · « **Reply #363 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 07:07 »

Quote from: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 20 Oct 2011, 20:34

Momo as Nene? Raven as Lina? Faye as Priss? Dora as Sylia? Pintsize as Mackie is obvious. Steve is probably a better choice for Leon than Marten.

Marten would be the mopey mechanic, Nigel.

8pm isn't an especially early hour to be drunk, especially on a Friday night. The pubs here are packed from 5pm on with the after-work drinking crowd, and not a few go home pretty merry. Belligerent doesn't mean what Marten seems to think it means either. But given Marten's well-known distaste for the Sex Pistols, I can see why he might be irritated with pseudo-British babbling.

Quote from: Skewbrow on 21 Oct 2011, 05:25

I think that many of us raises hand are simply worried sick about the prospect of something horrible happening to Faye.

Why would one expect something horrible to happen to her? Hands up anyone who's ever had too much to drink, and then gone home and slept it off without anything horrible happening to them... A forest of hands, I thought so.

pwhodges · « **Reply #364 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 07:14 »

Quote from: Akima on 21 Oct 2011, 07:07

Why would one expect something horrible to happen to her?

Jeph's comment.

SomeCanadianWeirdo · « **Reply #365 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 07:21 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 21 Oct 2011, 04:19

My only hope is that Jeph didn't just put Angus "on a bus". (I know, a train isn't the same as a bus, but you know what I mean.)

Seems like an unlikely way to do it. Angus is only supposed to be gone for a few days, not say weeks, or months. Unless you mean Angus meeting some horrible fate, which has never happened to any of the "on screen" cast(other than maybe Sara

), and would ramp up the current drama to kind of a ridiculous level.

Welu · « **Reply #366 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 09:10 »

Quote from: Akima on 21 Oct 2011, 07:07

8pm isn't an especially early hour to be drunk, especially on a Friday night. The pubs here are packed from 5pm on with the after-work drinking crowd...

I think crowd is the main word there. I agree it's not a very early time but Faye went drinking alone in the group's dive which when she arrived looks totally empty, when there were already plans to go out later.

JLM · « **Reply #367 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 09:20 »

Quote from: innermoppet on 21 Oct 2011, 06:41

My QC-sense tells me that we are gonna be seeing Sven soon....

Drunk dialing in 3, 2...

DSL · « **Reply #368 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 09:27 »

Unplug the toaster before you leave, Marten ...

EDIT: Out of the drunken context, that's a cute Faye face in panel 3.

Wagimawr · « **Reply #369 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 09:28 »

Quote from: westrim on 21 Oct 2011, 03:31

in vino veritas and all that.

Haven't we been through this already?

Paranoid · « **Reply #370 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 09:30 »

Quote from: Welu on 21 Oct 2011, 09:10

Quote from: Akima on 21 Oct 2011, 07:07
8pm isn't an especially early hour to be drunk, especially on a Friday night. The pubs here are packed from 5pm on with the after-work drinking crowd...

I think crowd is the main word there. I agree it's not a very early time but Faye went drinking alone in the group's dive which when she arrived looks totally empty, when there were already plans to go out later.

Agreed. Blowing off the dancing plans to get drunk should be a warning sign for anyone, much less about a known recovering alcoholic who really shouldn't be drinking anymore. And let's face it: even if Faye isn't* technically an alcoholic, she is close enough for most practical purposes. As her friend the least Marten could have done is ask her why she was so plastered, and be prepared to push to get a more substantial answer than "Owls made me do it." It's not about wanting him to be a doormat or a bossy jerk but rather him being a friend, and he should know her well enough by now to strongly suspect that something is wrong, even if he isn't 100% sure yet.

Quote from: innermoppet on 21 Oct 2011, 06:41

My QC-sense tells me that we are gonna be seeing Sven soon. IMHO, that's the real unresolved issue that still lingering around in Faye's subconsciousness.

Maybe not the "real" unresolved issue, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out that's part of her problem right now. For some reason I really think Sven would be a good person for her to talk to right now: yeah it'd get awkward, but in his heart Sven is a decent guy (especially since him and Faye broke up). I think he'd do the right thing and try to help her and not take advantage of the situation for himself, despite any temptation he might have. Then again, I already have a pretty bad record of predicting Jeph's plans, so take that for what you will.

*Present tense used to reflect the generally agreed upon fact that you never fully recover from alcoholism.

Carl-E · « **Reply #371 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 09:40 »

OK, MotW poll is up. Final results on the Wednesday poll;

Dora 8 (11.8%)
Cosette 1 (1.5%)
Sven 12 (17.6%)
Pintsize & Winslow 4 (5.9%)
Mieville & the Roombas (wait, isn't that a band?) 11 (16.2%)
Penelope and/or Wil 7 (10.3%)
Pizza Girl! 5 (7.4%)
Sara (?!?!?) 5 (7.4%)
Someone else really minor 1 (1.5%)
Someone entirely new! 4 (5.9%)
OK then - Raven 10 (14.7%)

Total Voters: 68

Sven won anyway...

Border Reiver · « **Reply #372 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 09:56 »

Quote from: akronnick on 20 Oct 2011, 23:09

Quote from: jwhouk on 20 Oct 2011, 22:50
At the rate we're going, Angus will be back sometime after the first of the year (our time).

I don't think it'll take that long, probably only about a month or so...

Aww, HELL no!!!

Jeph Jacques, so help me if you make Angus and Faye break-up right before Thanksgiving like you did with Marten and Dora I swear to God I'll...

I'll...

I'll...

...bitch about it on the forum but keep reading anyway.

Can I borrow this reaction as well? I'll keep it clean and properly maintained for when you need it back..

cuzsis · « **Reply #373 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 11:00 »

Quote from: themacnut on 21 Oct 2011, 03:52

Quote from: westrim on 21 Oct 2011, 03:31

Why do you think it's a facade? Why would she sob or be downcast or have something wrong?

This isn't a negative event, this is a giant positive. She's reacting to its size, not its quality. The man she cares about said loves her, she said it back, and now she's grappling with the dimension of that. If she starts crying, they're gonna be tears of joy or tension, not sadness. Right now, she's genuinely, cheerfully happy- in vino veritas and all that.

And if she is indeed genuinely happy over this (although she didn't seem that happy at the bar to me), considering it some kind of massive emotional breakthough, then Marten truly has no reason to suspect something's wrong requiring him to stay home and comfort her. He's perfectly justified in acting as he has, annoyed at the timing of this particular bender and resolving to leave her at home. I see nothing jerkish about that, especially if he doesn't think anything's wrong.

Kinda This.

She did not seem very happy at the bar. She didn't seem scared or overwhelmed. Just not happy and rather irritated.

When she said "I love you" she hitched on it and that usually (not all the time) but usually happens when someone goes to say something because it's the expected thing to say, but half way through realizes they don't mean it, but at the same moment doesn't want to complicate the situation, so they finish saying it anyway.

This coupled with her seeming irritation at the bar, as opposed to being caught like a deer in the headlights going "Holy cow I'm in LOVE! Woah!", leads me to believe (for now) that while Faye is very fond of Angus, she's not ready for Love just yet. And there's nothing wrong with that!

cuzsis · « **Reply #374 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 11:09 »

Quote from: Paranoid on 21 Oct 2011, 09:30

Quote from: Welu on 21 Oct 2011, 09:10
Quote from: Akima on 21 Oct 2011, 07:07
8pm isn't an especially early hour to be drunk, especially on a Friday night. The pubs here are packed from 5pm on with the after-work drinking crowd...

I think crowd is the main word there. I agree it's not a very early time but Faye went drinking alone in the group's dive which when she arrived looks totally empty, when there were already plans to go out later.

Agreed. Blowing off the dancing plans to get drunk should be a warning sign for anyone, much less about a known recovering alcoholic who really shouldn't be drinking anymore. And let's face it: even if Faye isn't* technically an alcoholic, she is close enough for most practical purposes. As her friend the least Marten could have done is ask her why she was so plastered, and be prepared to push to get a more substantial answer than "Owls made me do it." It's not about wanting him to be a doormat or a bossy jerk but rather him being a friend, and he should know her well enough by now to strongly suspect that something is wrong, even if he isn't 100% sure yet.

Quote from: innermoppet on 21 Oct 2011, 06:41
My QC-sense tells me that we are gonna be seeing Sven soon. IMHO, that's the real unresolved issue that still lingering around in Faye's subconsciousness.

Maybe not the "real" unresolved issue, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out that's part of her problem right now. For some reason I really think Sven would be a good person for her to talk to right now: yeah it'd get awkward, but in his heart Sven is a decent guy (especially since him and Faye broke up). I think he'd do the right thing and try to help her and not take advantage of the situation for himself, despite any temptation he might have. Then again, I already have a pretty bad record of predicting Jeph's plans, so take that for what you will.

*Present tense used to reflect the generally agreed upon fact that you never fully recover from alcoholism.

Yeah, I'm rather surprised that Martin didn't seem more concerned about this. It's not usual for Faye to suddenly get this drunk this early and given her history I'm certain Martin knows something is up.

But he's got plans and it sounds like, this time, he's going to go out and let Faye (who is a grown adult after all and other than being drunk, doesn't seem distressed) sort herself out.

I can't say I blame him, but I probably would've tried to figure out what was going on a bit more (not that it would've been successful).

::shrug::

Method of Madness · « **Reply #375 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 11:17 »

Quote from: pwhodges on 21 Oct 2011, 04:46

Quote from: gangler on 21 Oct 2011, 04:18
the meaning of her phrase "Bugger me Bollocks".

It has no meaning; she has just drunkenly thrown together a few British-sounding words.

I can't say I blame her, I speak from personal experience when I say that doing this is so much fun.

RED TEXT - ha, whoa, our posts are not about the same thing, but they both contain the phrase "I can't say I blame". Eerie.

ProfSciencePHD · « **Reply #376 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 11:34 »

I really, really hope Marten doesn't spend his whole evening with Padma worrying about Faye. Or even worse, worrying out loud to Padma.

Near Lurker · « **Reply #377 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 11:57 »

"Bugger my bollocks" = owww.

westrim · « **Reply #378 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 12:16 »

I believe at the bar she was most immediately annoyed with the person who was between her and her bourbon and mentally weary- I'm not reading too much into her expression there.

For some reason, after looking back at the last two strips I can't remove the idea of Faye having a bubble blower tucked behind her other ear.

Quote from: Wagimawr on 21 Oct 2011, 09:28

Quote from: westrim on 21 Oct 2011, 03:31
in vino veritas and all that.
Haven't we been through this already?

I was citing the concept, not holding it as scientifically proven fact. I came down on the other side of that discussion.

NotAwesomeAnymore · « **Reply #379 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 12:27 »

This forum needs to be reminded that Marten is going to come home.

Carl-E · « **Reply #380 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 12:36 »

Quote from: Near Lurker on 21 Oct 2011, 11:57

"Bugger my bollocks" = owww.

My reaction as well.

Somethin's a-brewin in QCverse, an' it don't look purty.

Ah'm sure we'll see what's up come Monday.

In the meantime, Ah've got some popcorn and a sasparilly. I'll be at the other end o' the corral if'n ya need me.

(OK, it's not quite as much fun as "Bugger me bollocks", but I bet you're hearing Sam Elliott now...)

Near Lurker · « **Reply #381 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 13:36 »

Quote from: Paranoid on 21 Oct 2011, 09:30

Agreed. Blowing off the dancing plans to get drunk should be a warning sign for anyone, much less about a known recovering alcoholic who really shouldn't be drinking anymore. And let's face it: even if Faye isn't* technically an alcoholic, she is close enough for most practical purposes.

[snip]

*Present tense used to reflect the generally agreed upon fact that you never fully recover from alcoholism.

Hoo boy. A True Believer. Let me tell you: modern therapy is a destructive cult of the self, that will destroy you much more thoroughly than any drug ever will. It is their duty to make you dependent on them, and you will be dependent on them, not because they're evil, but because they're in a culture that aggrandizes what began as essentially a pseudoscientific reason to write about libertines and pedophiles in a repressed era, and over time built itself up with studies conducted to a standard of rigor that would get you laughed out of every other field to justify each contrary political or cultural zeitgeist in turn, and introduced elements of both Western and Eastern mythology to the mix. AA is worse, since it explicitly rests on the supernatural, however syncretic, and outright lies about its success rather than just bullshitting. At least the major religions are "observed" hypocritically by most, with nearly everyone recognizing that there is no God even if they don't recognize that they recognize it, but every believer in therapy is the equivalent of Jack Chick, right down to the proselytizing cartoons they give to children. It amazes me how much the defenses of modern "psychology" mirror fundie apologia.

Akima · « **Reply #382 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 14:17 »

Quote from: pwhodges on 21 Oct 2011, 07:14

Jeph's comment.

Ah, I missed that. The zeal of the convert, I guess. I rarely drink myself, but zero?

gangler · « **Reply #383 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 14:19 »

That comment is so inconspicuous down there, hidden between the comic and the T-shirt ad in its' small plain font. I never notice it there until someone mentions it in the forum.

jwhouk · « **Reply #384 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 14:21 »

Why, yes, Nearlurker, my bachelor's degree was in Psychology. Why do you ask?

Sidhekin · « **Reply #385 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 14:30 »

Quote from: Akima on 21 Oct 2011, 14:17

Quote from: pwhodges on 21 Oct 2011, 07:14
Jeph's comment.
Ah, I missed that. The zeal of the convert, I guess. I rarely drink myself, but zero?

It's not a "drinking" zero. It's a "coping mechanism" zero.

I rarely drink, but I do not fear alcohol: I've never felt the lure of drinking to "cope". I've never "needed" a drink.

But I've known too many who were not so lucky.

akronnick · « **Reply #386 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 14:46 »

That's what I was gonna say.

Near Lurker · « **Reply #387 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 14:48 »

Three straight bourbons over several hours and she's this drunk? With her history? What, did she skip lunch?

Paranoid · « **Reply #388 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 15:03 »

Quote from: Near Lurker on 21 Oct 2011, 13:36

Quote from: Paranoid on 21 Oct 2011, 09:30
Agreed. Blowing off the dancing plans to get drunk should be a warning sign for anyone, much less about a known recovering alcoholic who really shouldn't be drinking anymore. And let's face it: even if Faye isn't* technically an alcoholic, she is close enough for most practical purposes.

[snip]

*Present tense used to reflect the generally agreed upon fact that you never fully recover from alcoholism.

Hoo boy. A True Believer. Let me tell you: modern therapy is a destructive cult of the self, that will destroy you much more thoroughly than any drug ever will. It is their duty to make you dependent on them, and you will be dependent on them, not because they're evil, but because they're in a culture that aggrandizes what began as essentially a pseudoscientific reason to write about libertines and pedophiles in a repressed era, and over time built itself up with studies conducted to a standard of rigor that would get you laughed out of every other field to justify each contrary political or cultural zeitgeist in turn, and introduced elements of both Western and Eastern mythology to the mix. AA is worse, since it explicitly rests on the supernatural, however syncretic, and outright lies about its success rather than just bullshitting. At least the major religions are "observed" hypocritically by most, with nearly everyone recognizing that there is no God even if they don't recognize that they recognize it, but every believer in therapy is the equivalent of Jack Chick, right down to the proselytizing cartoons they give to children. It amazes me how much the defenses of modern "psychology" mirror fundie apologia.

WTF? I mean, seriously, where did that rant come from? I'm really not sure how to respond to this. All I did was point out that it's a common belief that you can never fully get rid of an addiction, at least as it applies to alcohol. I never once mentioned therapy or religion as my source for that claim. And quite frankly, it is a common belief from what I can tell.

Also, that has to be the most venomous attack on modern therapy that I have ever read, at least outside of a L. Ron Hubbard book.

westrim · « **Reply #389 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 15:04 »

Quote from: Near Lurker on 21 Oct 2011, 13:36

ranting

Welcome to the forum Tom! It's been a long time since we had a famous person on here. So how is life? Are you pushing it pedal to the metal or just 'Cruise'ing along? HAHAHAhahahaaa...

That was a reference to Tom Cruise, noted Scientologist, the ~~cult~~ religion that rejects psychology, in case I was too subtle.

Also, is Near Lurker a logical name with over 700 posts?

Paranoid · « **Reply #390 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 15:14 »

Well played, westrim, well played.

pwhodges · « **Reply #391 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 15:27 »

Quote from: Near Lurker on 21 Oct 2011, 13:36

Quote from: Paranoid on 21 Oct 2011, 09:30
the generally agreed upon fact that you never fully recover from alcoholism.

Hoo boy. A True Believer. Let me tell you: modern therapy is a destructive cult of the self, that will destroy you much more thoroughly than any drug ever will. It is their duty to make you dependent on them,

Your rant reads as if you have had or seen bad experiences of therapy (either that, or you've been reading too much Internet nonsense). Sure, they can happen, perhaps more often than in some other fields because it is a very imprecise art; but that doesn't invalidate the good that can be done as well (of which I have personal experience).

There are important biochemical and genetic components to addiction. Psychotherapy can't fix those, so criticising it for not being an effective cure is missing the point. If you want to argue your view more thoroughly, I suggest you take it to the DISCUSS! forum, as it will quickly get off-topic for here; but bring your hard evidence, because that forum is for serious debating.

pwhodges · « **Reply #392 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 15:34 »

Quote from: westrim on 21 Oct 2011, 15:04

is Near Lurker a logical name with over 700 posts?

This forum is set up so that users can't change their account names; I don't intend to alter that.

Akima · « **Reply #393 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 16:04 »

Quote from: Sidhekin on 21 Oct 2011, 14:30

I rarely drink, but I do not fear alcohol: I've never felt the lure of drinking to "cope". I've never "needed" a drink. But I've known too many who were not so lucky.

Yes, while I was away from the keyboard, that dawned on me. My remark was borderline disrespectful, and I apologise.

Kugai · « **Reply #394 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 16:40 »

Popcorn anyone?

SomeCanadianWeirdo · « **Reply #395 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 17:55 »

Yeah, popcorn, but the good, buttery(or buttery substitute) kind. Not the light stuff, which is lacking in buttery goodness.

St.Clair · « **Reply #396 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 21:12 »

Just saying, she doesn't look "belligerent" to me. Loud, yes... possibly giggly. But aggressive, looking for a fight? Hardly.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #397 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 21:57 »

By now all the local bars must know that Faye is a happy drunk.

Torlek · « **Reply #398 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 22:24 »

If by "happy" you mean "occasionally threatens and/or chucks patrons across the bar", then yes.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #399 on:** 21 Oct 2011, 23:10 »

There weren't any drunk bubbles on Faye when she hurled Angus across the room.

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