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What was... THE MOMENT OF THE WEEK?

Faye points out the obvious: you both had feelings for each other.
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What was I supposed to do? (Oh, I dunno, BE DECENT about it?)
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She was leaving. (You could have at LEAST said you tried.)
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Yeah, all that got you was your entire current life.
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It IS a waste, because you're WASTING it.
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You just owned me there...
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Being passive is his nature.
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You gotta DO Stuff.
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...break out the guitar.
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SOPA SUCKS.
- 8 (11%)
Pintsize apologizes.
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Pintsize was in MEXICO!
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McPedro and Choo-Choo Bear!
- 3 (4.1%)
Hannerdad's havin' a birthday!
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Can I bring Marten & Marigold?
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I KNOW Marten's safe.
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Marigold.... (FRRRRT)
- 7 (9.6%)
I'm PRETTY SURE she's not a secret robot.
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I have a question for you guys...
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See, it's my dad's birthday next week...
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Dad also said I could bring some friends with me...
- 1 (1.4%)
YES
- 28 (38.4%)

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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #150 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:05 »

So.. I don't see anything dickish with what Marten did. It's Padma who was being dumb.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #151 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:16 »

Nice to see Marten and Faye having a constructive talk.  I still disagree about who was at fault, but that's irrelevant now.  What matters is that he keeps strumming that guitar.  Or something.  That said...
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And that just about wraps up the Marten/Padma story, for now at least.

FORBODE
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #152 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:31 »

Nice to see Marten and Faye having a constructive talk.  I still disagree about who was at fault, but that's irrelevant now.  What matters is that he keeps strumming that guitar.  Or something.  That said...
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And that just about wraps up the Marten/Padma story, for now at least.

FORBODE
FORBODE


Well Padma will be back then, who cares for now. ONWARD TO SILLY THINGS!
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #153 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:41 »

Goddammit, the crash-and-burniness of this arc made me all misty and maudlin. I have to stop identifying so much with imaginary people.

I also hope that Marten gets a chance to smooth things over with Padma eventually -- if not as a couple, than at least long-distance friends.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #154 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:42 »

30 minutes later:

"MARTEN YOU CAN FUCKING DO THAT IN THE MORNING!!!!!"
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #155 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:48 »

 :psyduck:

Oh.

My.

God.

Are people still obsessing over who is in the wrong vis-a-vis Marten and Padma?

Let me tell you a secret: The reason this argument isn't going anywhere is because everyone's right and everyone's wrong.

At the same time.

Marten was right.

And Marten was wrong.

Padma was right.

And Padma was wrong.



Sometimes, in relationships as well as in life, people making perfectly rational decisions, but those decisions lead to less than optimal outcomes.

A perfectly balanced system never changes. As the song says "...it's a fool who plays it cool by making his world a little colder.*"

Neither Marten nor Padma, for perfectly logical reasons, was willing to take the chance and make their relationship mean more than just a brief fling, and because of that, they are paying the price.

It's over.

Learn.

Grow.

MOVE ON!!!!!



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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #156 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:50 »

:psyduck:

Oh.

My.

God.
Not so much.  Like i said, it's irrelevant. It's just odd that it's a topic the forums are so divided on, but according to the comics, it appears there will be one conclusive answer.  It's Marten's fault. 
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #157 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:58 »

Dang. I'm gonna take the risk of sounding like a 14-year old girl by stating: Today's comic touches my heart. He doesn't know what to do with his life but at least there's one thing he'll always be doing.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #158 on: 16 Jan 2012, 22:58 »

Nice thoughtful conclusion to the arc.

And that is all I am saying... the conversation is starting up again, but I am staying out of it this time.  :angel:
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #159 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:03 »

why is Marten wearing a different shirt in this comic as compared to the previous one?
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #160 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:04 »

:psyduck:

Oh.

My.

God.
Not so much.  Like i said, it's irrelevant. It's just odd that it's a topic the forums are so divided on, but according to the comics, it appears there will be one conclusive answer.  It's Marten's fault.  

The only part addressed in the comic is what Marten did (or didn't) do.  That's the only thing Faye was yelling about, that's the only part they're talking about, that's what's frustrating him.  

And yes, that was his fault.  No question.  Padma didn't make him do it, it was his own petty free will.  
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #161 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:06 »

why is Marten wearing a different shirt in this comic as compared to the previous one?
Faye owned him so hard the shirt changed colours.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #162 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:08 »

I'm busy for a couple of days, and we have four pages in the forum by Tuesday afternoon my time. And I get red text when I've only just opened the editor. A girl must be being a heinous bitch again, and Marten must be being a total doormat again...  :roll:

After all, for any of us, our present life is the result of the bad things that have happened to us, large and small, as well as the good ones - so in the end how can we even decide which were which?  We are the result of the totality of our experience, not of any one or even a thousand parts of it, and Faye is correct in saying that the best thing we can do is value the result.
So very, very true... And many things that happen are both good and bad at the same time...

OK, here's a thought for all the "Marten did the right thing" folks.  If it's right, why the bitter acrimony?  Why the self loathing?  Why does he feel like he was being an asshole (his  words, not Faye's)? 
Yes... Karma is a bitch. That moment of petty spite came with a heft price-tag. They always do, unless you're a complete prick, which Marten is not. 
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #163 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:09 »

why is Marten wearing a different shirt in this comic as compared to the previous one?

He did all these comics in advance and accidentally changed the shirt color, and he can't fix it from New Zealand. Yesterday's had him in the wrong shirt color too at first; a friend fixed it for him.

Marten's using his older guitar. Interesting.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #164 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:12 »

why is Marten wearing a different shirt in this comic as compared to the previous one?
Faye owned him so hard the shirt changed colours.
I still don't see how she owned him.  What exactly is he wasting.  Is he having a generally bad time in this life?  Nope.  Did he just trash a promising relationship?  Nuh uh.  I think just about the only thing he's wasting is his evening.  FOR SHAME.

And yes, that was his fault.  No question.  Padma didn't make him do it, it was his own petty free will. 
That's what I'm saying though.  Yes, one part of the forums, likely the majority, agrees with you.  Marten screwed everything up and deserved a real kick in the pants, and he's lucky he has a friend like Faye to tell him he's bad and he should feel bad about it.  But I'm hardly the only one who disagreed with this assessment.  Granted, Faye's the only one who weighed in on the matter, I just feel like we're all going to move on and it's going to be a foregone conclusion that It's All His Fault,™ which feels weird.

Regardless, agree to disagree.  Tova's got the right idea, I think.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #165 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:29 »

I think we are all missing the real issue here and that is:

What the Hell is a Quokka?



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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #166 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:31 »

Marten is existing, not living.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #167 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:50 »

As the song says "...it's a fool who plays it cool by making his world a little colder."

Those speculating about a split of views along age lines might note that this song was written by a man only a couple of years older than Marten.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #168 on: 16 Jan 2012, 23:51 »

NO MORE PADMA !

YAY !!!

Poll is irrelevant - but I guess Hanners would go with Astrophysics.

And shouldnt Jeph be depressed about every romance he writes ? He always ends them ... he's a real Joss Whedon about that.



As the song says "...it's a fool who plays it cool by making his world a little colder."

Those speculating about a split of views along age lines might note that this song was written by a young man.
I'm fairly sure that "Hey Jude" was one of the last Beatles-songs. John and Paul havent been THAT young anymore at this point.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #169 on: 17 Jan 2012, 00:01 »

26.

The Beatles' whole mainstream career ran only about seven years.  Compare to the bands today releasing an album every two or three...
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #170 on: 17 Jan 2012, 00:10 »

*Fade to black, Marten playing*

TOMORROW ON QC........
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #171 on: 17 Jan 2012, 00:28 »

30 minutes later:

"MARTEN YOU CAN FUCKING DO THAT IN THE MORNING!!!!!"

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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #172 on: 17 Jan 2012, 00:29 »

The Beatles' whole mainstream career ran only about seven years.  Compare to the bands today releasing an album every two or three...

Yeah, a lot of music legends have had tragically short lives. Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison... all under 30.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #173 on: 17 Jan 2012, 00:32 »

I haven't posted to the "discussion" because I just haven't held any opinion long (or strongly) enough to feel able to contribute to it, but I'm am a little sad to see Padma gone, even if I didn't like particularly her.

The reason I'm sad she's gone is that this whole arc has shown some outstanding writing from Jeph. I've praised his art before, but I don't recall praising his writing. I am now, as he really does do a range of believeable, understandable and above all, human characters brilliantly. Bravo.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. Or at least plead for "under 30" to be changed to "27, the magic number"
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #174 on: 17 Jan 2012, 00:54 »

Agreed with above on believable, part of why I think the arguments come up is that a lot of the stuff here is believable and relatable and so a lot of us might feel like we have a dog in the fight. I also liked the talk with Faye and Marten here, she is correct in her comments and far less brutal this time around. I now hope that Marten can have some success with his music.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #175 on: 17 Jan 2012, 01:07 »

Well, at least he's not getting drunk again... yet. I expected him to mope, because after a good thing ends people do that.

He should go visit (or at least call) his parents. Say what you will, parents are people you can count on for support when feeling down.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #176 on: 17 Jan 2012, 01:32 »

So people noticed Marten's shirt colour changing back and forth between yellow and blue, but how many of you spotted the gorilla walking through the middle of the strip?

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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #177 on: 17 Jan 2012, 01:37 »

26

It was written in June 1968, the month of Paul's 26th birthday (18th June 68); I can't find whether before or after.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #178 on: 17 Jan 2012, 02:23 »

I thought today's comic was really great. When I'm sad, I also go do stuff that I love  :-)
What's the difference between the old guitar and the new guitar?

For that matter, what's Faye done that's so impressive since breaking the ice with Marten 2 years ago? Seduce Sven? Wow, that worked out well for everyone.

Hey, do you read this comic called Questionable Content?
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #179 on: 17 Jan 2012, 02:45 »

(This post has been removed in the interests of better conversation and not being a completely heinous jackass.)
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #180 on: 17 Jan 2012, 02:45 »

Older guitair. Newer guitar. Which is ironic given that Marten's "old" guitar is newer than the "new" one. I'll stop talking now.

Just kidding. Jeph said somewhere, I can't remember where, that he'd never written a fight where one person was totally right and the other was totally wrong. Just throwing that out there (sorry if it's been said already. Tl;dr and all that)
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #181 on: 17 Jan 2012, 02:51 »

So, the inevitable end has come. Kinda sad, but, one reaps what one sows (applies to everyone, methinks). Kinda hard to decide should the reaction for the whole deal be "D'aww, that's sad" or "D'oh! What were they thinking!! Rrgh!". Maybe a bit of both.

*Fade to black, Marten playing*

TOMORROW ON QC........

Hmm, I know you probably didn't mean this, but damn that was fitting (especially the comic's/songs atmosphere), the mental of Marten playing (yea, somehow I also have serious doubts Marten playing that song..).  Kinda exaggerated, but hey, what's a discussion without proper hyperbole.

(edited to fix typos, seems that I'm incapable to write properly. D'oh!)
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #182 on: 17 Jan 2012, 04:10 »

I think we are all missing the real issue here and that is:

What the Hell is a Quokka?

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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #183 on: 17 Jan 2012, 04:25 »

I think we are all missing the real issue here and that is:

What the Hell is a Quokka?



D'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ITS SO CUTE AND FUZZY!!!
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #184 on: 17 Jan 2012, 04:49 »

Wonder how it tastes?

That and I was wondering if Marten's playing Robert Johnson or John Lee Hooker?
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #185 on: 17 Jan 2012, 04:53 »

D'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ITS SO CUTE AND FUZZY!!!

It's Australian; that means it probably bites.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #186 on: 17 Jan 2012, 05:01 »

Wonder how it tastes?

With its tongue, silly!
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #187 on: 17 Jan 2012, 05:06 »

D'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ITS SO CUTE AND FUZZY!!!

It's Australian; that means it probably bites.

I noticed that down under gets two kinds of things-
You got your Koalas and Wallabies and other things that are just so fuzzy you could hug em...

And you get things like this-

(click to show/hide)

There is no middle ground in Australia. It's either cuddly or it'll kill you while stabbing you with razor sharp fangs and deadly venom.

Of note- that place is one of the few that has a shark that actually *likes* the taste of people.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #188 on: 17 Jan 2012, 05:46 »

In an effort not  to echo chamber...

Anyone else think Faye's comments today clearly failed to inspire Marten? She gives him a pretty big out-a-textbook spiel then bails out for bed while he's looking pretty depressed and actually just about ready to talk about the problem.

nice one.

also that depressed look on Marten's face in the last panel.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #189 on: 17 Jan 2012, 06:11 »

Wonder how it tastes?

That and I was wondering if Marten's playing Robert Johnson or John Lee Hooker?

Seems to me "Roxanne" is more likely to be in Marten's mental list of "old, sad" songs than the blues.(And no, I am not implying anything about Padma by that song choice.)  Of course Marty might surprise us and be playing "Dust in the Wind."(Funny how none of today's whiny bands have covered that one.  You'd think it would be right up their alley.)
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #190 on: 17 Jan 2012, 06:13 »

D'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ITS SO CUTE AND FUZZY!!!

It's Australian; that means it probably bites.
And it's bite is lethal in 30 seconds or less.  And don't even get them started on the dropbears.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #191 on: 17 Jan 2012, 06:20 »

Matren has every right to play the blues at this particular juncture.

Actually, when your emotions are freshly bruised is often a very good time to write some music.

In addition to the possibility of a powerful song coming out, just sitting down and making some music is extremely enjoyable and cathartic.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #192 on: 17 Jan 2012, 06:56 »

I guess I don't frequent enough forums, but wow. The lengths that people will go to defeat the very purpose of a place of communication astounds me. Invoking things like echo chambers and existentialism. It's fascinating. A forum exists, people post their ideas, their likes and dislikes... and then these efforts are made to silence *everyone* by the people participating. Really, what's the point in talking about anything over the internet about a made-up universe that exists only in data bits?

Y'all are too much.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #193 on: 17 Jan 2012, 06:59 »

I don't even see how "going along with Padma's wish to let the relationship drift to a close at a time of her choosing" would count as DOING stuff more than "deciding to break it off in a fit of pique" does.

Yeah, I saw this as Faye completely contradicting herself in that cute way people have when they're telling you how you should live you life:  for good or ill Marten actually experimented with different behaviour by not acceding passively to Padma's emotional needs at the expense of his own, Faye beat him up over it, and now she's telling him he should experiment with different behaviour.  At least he had the good sense to pull out his guitar.  The music will always love you back.

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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #194 on: 17 Jan 2012, 07:06 »

why is Marten wearing a different shirt in this comic as compared to the previous one?
I'll take this one.

Jeph apparently failed to change Marten's shirt from 2099 to 2100 to 2101. He mentioned it in a tweet, if memory serves.

EDIT: Grrrr.

Anyways - I'm betting he's just playing a basic blues riff. And I can TOTALLY see Faye doing a "DO THAT IN THE MORNING PLEASE" scream from her bedroom.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #195 on: 17 Jan 2012, 07:10 »

Part of the issue in here is even though the most recent strip hasn't mentioned Padma and Faye and Marten are speaking in a more general sense, we're still talking about Padma. This was just the event that triggered the conversation, not the reason for the conversation.

Faye is one of Marten's closest friends and they've seen each other through their very low points. This is another one of those low points where hopefully regardless of how we're interpreting Faye's words and Marten's response, that the characters will go on to better themselves, whatever that means.

I said something basically like this already and so have others a lot but there's nothing horrible about how Marten's living his life, he's got friends and a steady decent income and hobby he's passionate about, but he's still not happy and he's done nothing actively (not the same as actively done nothing) to change that. He can't just wait for the happy to fall on his lap, he's got to out and grab the happy!

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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #196 on: 17 Jan 2012, 07:28 »

But you can't have your cake and eat it...

I think Marten has a mix of positives and negatives in his life, and sure - you can always do more to increase the impact of the positives!

But I think getting rid of the negatives is often much more difficult for people, and that's Marten's issue.  

I personally believe that Marten's methods of interacting with some of his closest friends is one of his biggest negatives. Because he's generally quite meek, people project his opinion onto him when they know him well and when he deviates from that, he's wrong.

A great example of some of Marten asserting himself in a positive light would be a lot of his interactions with Hanners, helping her to be less OCD and more social, the drum kit thing, etc.

A great example of Marten being stomped on for deviating from being a door mat would be the starting scenes of the breakup with Dora (specifically the "Don't look at my porn.. you looked at my porn! I told you not to!")

Edit: I guess my point is that Marten does try and be assertive at times, and often the reaction that follows (positive or negative) is pretty much down to who he's being assertive towards. Some of his friends definitely seem to have peg holed Marten, and don't react particularly well when he fails to follow through on their expectations.
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #197 on: 17 Jan 2012, 07:34 »

grab the happy!

I read everything else you said (and definitely agree) but I just needed to share how much I love this phrase. haha
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #198 on: 17 Jan 2012, 07:55 »

A forum exists, people post their ideas, their likes and dislikes... and then these efforts are made to silence *everyone* by the people participating.

The thing is, people want their views to prevail, and on the Internet they don't get so much of the feedback that gets them to back down, either by agreeing to differ, or by accepting a modification of their views. This is a well-known phenomenon, and is the reason that forums like this have moderators to try to control things. We have worked hard here to try to remove the rudeness that was common not much more than a year ago; these days people are (mostly) reasonably polite about disagreeing - but disagree they will, and some still try to get their view over by sheer weight of posts.

There is a well-known cartoon about this, on XKCD (note the hover text):
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Re: WCDT 2101-2105 (January 16-20, 2012) - A New Hope
« Reply #199 on: 17 Jan 2012, 08:03 »

I might be guilty of weight-of-posts here, though I've been trying to either post on different aspects or in response, but I think I'll cut down on it.

Perhaps making up for lurking for so long, I decided to post and I've got a bit carried away. 

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