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The Future has arrived
« on: 05 Apr 2012, 06:23 »

Start of something awesome or another fall on it\s face technology?

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/google-begins-testing-its-augmented-reality-glasses/

I personally like this. But I am not to sure about the contact lenses. Too small and expensive. Feel free to talk about any other cool tech you guys come across.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #1 on: 05 Apr 2012, 06:31 »

And you thought distracted driving/walking was bad enough already...
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #2 on: 04 Dec 2012, 13:46 »

I'm hijacking this thread because I just learned that this exists. And by science's beard, this is amazing!

It's a matchstick-sized rod containing hormones (not estrogen) that goes under the skin of your arm, stays there for three years, and during that time you cannot. get. pregnant. Zero (0) pregnancies have been reported after proper insertion procedures since this was first used in 1998. The failure rate is 0.05%. Fertility resumes after the contraceptive is removed. An experienced clinician does the insertion procedure in approx. 1 minute, and removes it in about 3.

Also, 20% of women cease having periods after insertion. The most common negative side effect is irregular bleeding and spotting, which is not dangerous and disappears after the device is removed.

I'm going to look quite silly if all the girls are about to say "Oh, I knew about that." But even for a guy, this is too impressive to be ignored for fourteen years of its existence. I mean, zero pregnancies for three years! How is every woman not lining up for this? Or are they?
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #3 on: 04 Dec 2012, 14:15 »

I knew about it. I'm also a guy, but whatever.
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« Reply #4 on: 04 Dec 2012, 14:47 »

I knew about it and it is pretty cool but I still prefer the pill. I got a few female mates telling me I'm nuts for being on the pill when the bar is an option. A lot of them tried to sell it to me with the "no period" and "there's a chance your boobs get bigger".
First: The "no period" doesn't happen to everyone. Plus I only have periods when I want them and can pretty carefully time them, which being sexually active and randomly paranoid can be reassuring once in a while. 
Second: E-cup.

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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #5 on: 04 Dec 2012, 15:40 »

I'm going to look quite silly if all the girls are about to say "Oh, I knew about that."

I knew about them, not because I'm a girl, but because 20 years ago I was involved in the design of machines for check-weighing the rods (we knew them as "depots" for some reason) at the end of the production line.  The company I worked for then already made such equipment for pills, but designing an automatic feed mechanism for the rods required a new approach compared with ordinary tablets.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #6 on: 04 Dec 2012, 16:05 »

Heard about them about 10 years ago, was attempting a Biomedical Engineering course and the lecturer of one part discussed the more esoteric devices being invented.
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« Reply #7 on: 04 Dec 2012, 16:24 »

"Augmented reality" glasses? I dunno...I'm pretty sure LSD is cheaper.

I'm hijacking this thread because I just learned that this exists. And by science's beard, this is amazing!

Yeah, I knew about it too...but I would, since I worked in pharmaceuticals for several years. ^_^;;
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« Reply #8 on: 04 Dec 2012, 17:50 »

The augmented reality glasses might sound a bit daft, but it wasn't all that long ago when virtual reality seemed like a very real possible accessory that would be in every house down the line.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #9 on: 04 Dec 2012, 18:44 »

"Augmented reality" glasses? I dunno...I'm pretty sure LSD is cheaper.

But taking LSD would not be useful to you in even remotely the same way. This is replacing a smart phone and serving as exactly the sort of overlay   of useful navigational information and communications connections which we give to "people of the future" in video games, movies and literature. 

That's like suggesting that an etch-a-sketch is cheaper than a computer, or a conch shell is cheaper than a cell phone.
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« Reply #10 on: 04 Dec 2012, 19:00 »

I've actually heard of a few people that did not do well with the implanted birth control options. I've known about it for some time but never considered it an option for myself.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #11 on: 04 Dec 2012, 21:06 »

Start of something awesome or another fall on it\s face technology?

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/google-begins-testing-its-augmented-reality-glasses/

I personally like this. But I am not to sure about the contact lenses. Too small and expensive. Feel free to talk about any other cool tech you guys come across.


OMG Holobands!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: 04 Dec 2012, 23:57 »

Yeah I would definitely like to have augmented reality glasses.
I notice at school how many people walk through the hallways with their heads down, looking at their phone. Hell, sometimes I'm one of them. Having it in glasses means that you can see what is going on while you are reading email or texts, also the fact that you could have navigational overlays while driving is amazing.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #13 on: 05 Dec 2012, 01:12 »

(we knew them as "depots" for some reason)

Because they quite literally are a deposit left in the body. ISTR that they were developed in Europe so I suspect a French influence in the naming convention. Still commonly called Depot Injections over here and usage has expanded widely into the mental health sector.

I know about them because although I'm not a woman, my father, as a pharmacist was involved in promoting depot contraceptives as a sexual health option in the adult mental health care practices, particularly for adults who's conditions involved learning difficulties. I regularly took an interest in what he was up to and as a child you would often find The Pharmaceutical Journal mixed in with my comics, Tintins and other more age appropriate reading material.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #14 on: 05 Dec 2012, 04:21 »

I'm hijacking this thread because I just learned that this exists. And by science's beard, this is amazing!

My friend "A" had this, except she made the mistake of showing it to me and a bunch of other then-new friends at a party. One of the others (a female, for added lols) made the mistake of poking at the device a little too hard, throwing the hormone balance far enough out of wack to send poor "A" into a 15-minute vomit fiesta.

"Augmented reality" glasses? I dunno...I'm pretty sure LSD is cheaper.

But taking LSD would not be useful to you in even remotely the same way.

Bullshit, I bet if I spent the same money on acid as it costs to buy this gadget (and had a way to preserve it well enough so I could go at my own preferred intake pace), I would have at least 6000x as many songs written.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #15 on: 05 Dec 2012, 09:21 »

That is not the same kind of useful.  I did not say that LSD could never be useful, but it will not help you to meet your friends on time, or not get lost in a new city or keep a running "to do list". 
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #16 on: 05 Dec 2012, 15:27 »

...or run into a corner because you were reading a vitriolic post and getting distracted a bit. 


Sure, it sounds cool, but I wonder about the true practicality considering our lack of ability to truly multitask with divided attentions. 
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #17 on: 05 Dec 2012, 16:13 »

One issue with those glasses is people are still stupid enough to make calls and text, or even use a computer tablet while driving. I don't trust people enough to not use them, especially if they'll have the logic of, "Well, I'm still looking at the road."

That said I'd love to try them but I don't know if I'd ever get used to wearing them. I have a short enough attention span as it is too without something constantly taking up part of my vision.

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« Reply #18 on: 05 Dec 2012, 16:18 »

I think the multitasking question is a good one, but I think it is usually approached poorly.  We are terrible at multi-tasking, and we are terrible at judging just how bad we are at it, that is true, but we have surrounded ourselves with informational objects and entertainment media for centuries, and managed to get things done.  So why are modern technologies different?

I think for two reasons, one is that they are not, but that we end up discussing it in a sensationalized way that says "we are easily distracted and cannot multitask ergo this new thing is bad for us."  I don't think this problem is unique to this time period, my 18th century readings are full of people worrying about the number of novels available (particularly to women) distracting readers from the 'important' texts from perfecting other skills from properly socializing, and warping their brains.  Over our history we have successfully worked in rooms which contain clocks, calendars, unopened letters, books we have not read, books we have read an love, windows with views, paper and pens, and all manner of other things which might distract us, and still managed to get things done.  In that respect our objection to these new technologies is expected and as in the past, we will develop a sophistication in out interactions, and a cultural understanding of how to use a technology, which will not distract us.

The second reason, and I think the much bigger concern, is that (pardon me while I spew iSchool cliches) now that we life in an attention economy, the companies developing and marketing these products have an interest in you being distracted by them, and so have little incentive to make them unobtrusive.  Now, surely every clock maker hoped you would look at their clock, and every author hoped you would read their book, but their income did not depend on the number of times you did so.  Many of our distracting technologies are based around a business plan which needs you to keep coming back.  Google needs you to keep searching, and needs you to do so, not just instead of using Bing, but instead of stoping to figure it out yourself, instead of asking the professor, instead of....  In user tests they measure the success of their page layout based on how many times a user returns to make a new search.  Facebook needs you to keep checking your page.  It is in their best interest to make their content distracting, and to beep you when there is an update, and to structure your experience with them into something that will keep drawing you back.  All the stupid 'games' for Facebook and phones need you to keep returning and so on.   

One solution is to be aware of your relationship with a company (are you the customer or the product?) and to minimize your interactions with products which are selling your attention.  Sometimes this means just abstaining from a "service" and sometimes it means paying the premium price for it and sometimes it means developing habits which set you up to succeed.  If you can't stay off your Facebook when you are taking notes in class, disable your wireless.  If you can't stop checking that stupid game, delete it.  If your phone buzzing a beeping distracts you use an application like Tasker to customize when it does what, so that is is something you control, not something that controls you. 

I think it is important though not to get too cynical about companies selling our attention though.  Yes, some business are based solely on the idea of distracting you so that you will either be eyeballs for ad views or so that you will pay for content, but there are others who use that structure to give you a service you would not otherwise be able to afford.  I don't think any of us could pay Google what they make on our web searches, and I for one am not willing to give up the service they are offering me. 


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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #19 on: 05 Dec 2012, 17:00 »

But but but... You're suggesting that people take control of their lives, and responsibility for themselves! What are you, some kind of commie?
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« Reply #20 on: 05 Dec 2012, 17:22 »

What would you knows about commies?
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« Reply #21 on: 05 Dec 2012, 17:32 »

Personal responsibility can be a pretty tough sell. :/

But, I am also advocating for the responsible participation in a free market economy.  That, for some reason, has also been a tough sell lately, even to crowds that champion the superiority of a free market.  :(
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #22 on: 05 Dec 2012, 17:54 »

uh, well, in 2010 I got the implant when it was regularly called Implanon.

I've had no issues (besides spotting here and there, but a package of birth control pills my OBGYN gave me took care of that).

I didn't have health insurance that covered it--so I paid for it out of pocket.  The expenses then were around $500 - $600 (USD, 'cuz I live in 'merica) but I'm not sure how expensive it is now. 
Also, they were able to put me on a three month plan so that I paid about $200 each month.

I don't regret the decision one bit.  I'm prone to forgetting to take medicine daily, so if I forgot to take my birth control pill one day...I'd have a larger chance of getting pregnant.  I mean, it's hard enough to take anti-depressants and prilosec each day as it is.
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« Reply #23 on: 05 Dec 2012, 18:02 »

I'd actually not mind something like this. It'd be easier than trying to remember to take estradiol 2-3 times a day.  :psyduck:
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« Reply #24 on: 05 Dec 2012, 18:06 »

Oh geez, that's rough Unicorn.  Well if you ever consider getting a form of contraception, I'd definitely recommend Nexplanon.  All you have to remember is the date to take it out, lol.
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« Reply #25 on: 09 Dec 2012, 17:07 »

I'm a touch amused. Contraception is definitely not a thing I have to worry about.
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« Reply #26 on: 09 Dec 2012, 17:11 »

But in the mysterious FUTURE! maybe you will!
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« Reply #27 on: 09 Dec 2012, 17:12 »

don't you be instilling no fears into my heart, kat, i do not want to get pregnant ever ever ever, nuh uh.
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« Reply #28 on: 10 Dec 2012, 08:50 »

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure the future will include more choice about babies, not less!

I heard about the implant when I was 16 and my school finally decided to start teaching us about contraception. One of my friends got it fairly soon after. I wouldn't want to use the implant because I don't know for sure I won't want babies in the next three years. I don't know why I've not really considered it much, though.
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« Reply #29 on: 10 Dec 2012, 09:02 »

I'd have thought that if at any point during those three years you'd find yourself overcome by the irresistible urge to get knocked up, you'd simply visit your GP and say "Out with it." Six weeks after, you're good to go.
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« Reply #30 on: 10 Dec 2012, 09:08 »

I don'tknow about May's situation, but one of the considerations is that long term birth controls are only cost effective if you use them long term. 

I didn't pay for my IUD, but if I had I would need to keep it in 4 of the 5 years to make it cheaper than having stayed on the pill.  While cost is far from the only issue, If would not be worth is financially, or in amount of hassle if I thought I might have wanted it out in a year. 
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« Reply #31 on: 10 Dec 2012, 12:39 »

Certainly that wouldn't enter my mind as a consideration, because I get all my anti-baby mechanisms free on the NHS (as does everyone - the Pill certainly is universally free, despite the general prescription charge of £7.75(?) for most medications) but perhaps it might influence whether my GP would offer it, if I were to say "I hope to have children in the next few years". Not that I actually am planning on that; as I've probably said before if I end up staying with this Boy we wouldn't be thinking about children before he graduated, and if I don't then I'm further from having children than I currently am.
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« Reply #32 on: 10 Dec 2012, 15:01 »

In hassle I was including side effects.  It seems most of these long term methods have "getting adjusted" side effects like spotting and cramping and it seems like it would not be worth it if you weren't going to stick with it. 
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« Reply #33 on: 10 Dec 2012, 19:08 »

I recently got an IUD (about 6 months ago?) and there was 3 months of terrible cramping and spotting, followed by an inexplicable month-long period... not fun. On the other hand, I will never have to worry about missing a pill or hormones fucking with me.
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« Reply #34 on: 11 Dec 2012, 18:57 »

On the other hand, I will never have to worry about missing a pill or hormones fucking with me.

Would hormones be worse then three months of cramping and spotting, followed by a month-long period? I dunno, I think I'd take my chances with the pill. By your description of the carnage, it sounds like someone put an egg beater in your uterus.
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« Reply #35 on: 11 Dec 2012, 19:32 »

but the copper IUD is good for 10 years.  Even my Merina is good for 5.

So for me the decision wae a painful insertion dn then a few months of cramps and spotting, but guaranteed bc no matter what my insurance or finances. No forgetting to take it, not forgetting to pick up a new pack, no not having a doctor...

Or no side effects and hope I don't fuck up.

Well worth it.
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« Reply #36 on: 11 Dec 2012, 19:36 »

but the copper IUD is good for 10 years.  Even my Merina is good for 5.

So for me the decision wae a painful insertion dn then a few months of cramps and spotting, but guaranteed bc no matter what my insurance or finances. No forgetting to take it, not forgetting to pick up a new pack, no not having a doctor...

Exactly the reasons I chose an IUD as well.
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« Reply #37 on: 11 Dec 2012, 20:53 »

Ahhkay...I had forgotten just how long those things last. Futuristic indeed. Eventually, technology will get to the point you'll just take a pill to deactivate your fallopian tubes, and another pill to reboot the system.
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« Reply #38 on: 11 Dec 2012, 21:09 »

That would be ideal, but I'm still considering an IUD (I have panic attacks at routine gyn exams, so an IUD is a Big Deal) because I just don't want to have children, I'm terrible at taking pills on time, and some other reasons that get into the TMI area.  I'm in my mid twenties and didn't even KNOW about IUDs until two years ago.  Contraception that works for 5-10 years is amazing and I'm sort of pissed I didn't know about it sooner.

And I did know about depo, but it was always presented the same way as diaphragms or sponges - outdated, something no one really used [with a bit of "ew, they put it under your SKIN!" thrown in], so I guess you could use a condom, but ABSTINENCE.   And my HS sex ed was probably on the less shitty end of the spectrum, but IUDs still never came up. 
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« Reply #39 on: 12 Dec 2012, 07:39 »

I would say that if you definitely know you won't want children for at least 10 years, then the IUD is perfect. I didn't know it lasted that long! The only reason I really know much about the implant is because my friend got one; our very perfunctory sex ed didn't give a lot of information.
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« Reply #40 on: 12 Dec 2012, 07:47 »

IUDs have had a really bad rap for close to 30 years now because of a poorly done study in the 80's. It's been disproven several times over in the last 15 years, but there's still a lot of disinformation that's had a lot of trouble getting dislodged from the medical community which is why it's something that almost never brought up as an option to women.
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« Reply #41 on: 12 Dec 2012, 07:53 »

If you get the copper IUD it means no hormones which is really amazingly awesome. I only wish my insurance would have paid for it when I needed it.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #42 on: 12 Dec 2012, 11:04 »

I think one of the reasons IUDs are not covered in sex ed classes, is that a part of the misinformation from the 80s is that they are only suitable for women who have had a baby. 

My patient insert for my Merina still says that it is recommended for women who have had a previous pregnancy, but newer studies show that it is just as effective in women who have never been pregnant. 
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #43 on: 12 Dec 2012, 15:17 »

I don't think it's anything to do with effectiveness, but that they are easier to fit if your cervix has previously been dilated - that's what's popping into my mind, anyway.

My first wife had one for a while; the thread that's left to help with removal used to tickle me sometimes.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #44 on: 12 Dec 2012, 16:26 »

Dilation is the reason you're supposed to have it inserted during your period - so the opening is wide enough to insert it without much pain. But it is possible to dilate the cervix with drugs, temporarily, so that is not such a big issue.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #45 on: 12 Dec 2012, 17:11 »

So I had mine inserted with no drugs, and when I was not menstruating (because it would be impossible to predict when that might happen for me).  They dilated me with a metal rod, it was less than comfortable for sure, but there were no problems.  I understand that different bodies are different though, and that might not do it for some. 

I was told the "risk" for women who had never had children was that it was more likely to fall out.  The number one way an IUD fails is if your body pushes it back out, and there was supposed to be an increased risk of this for women who had never been pregnant. 
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #46 on: 12 Dec 2012, 17:19 »

I forgot there was a thread attached...wouldn't that contribute to TSS? All the fibers and such being a breeding ground for bacteria...
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #47 on: 12 Dec 2012, 17:27 »

They're monofilament threads - plastic. So nothing can really attach and grow.
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #48 on: 12 Dec 2012, 17:30 »

It is not string exactly, some sort of plastic?  It takes time to soften up so I was warned it might be uncomfortable for male partners for the first few weeks.

TSS is a risk just after insertion, so precautions are taken.  You have to get tested before insertion and some doctors will also prescribe antibiotics. 
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Re: The Future has arrived
« Reply #49 on: 12 Dec 2012, 17:40 »

Apparently one of the early models, in the 60s or 70s, -- the Dalkon Shield? -- had a "string"/whatever that wicked fluid into the uterus and led to severe infections.
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