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And now, another weekend installment of MOMENT OF THE WEEK:

Want me to get the hose, Hanners?
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The hose awaits if you misbehave.
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Do you have a sister? There's a girl who started interning... Oh god you've met Claire?
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We're gonna need a bigger hose.
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Where were you guys?
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Oh jeez, was Dora there? You didn't talk to her did you? Uh, no... Huh? Yes you did.
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You talked to her for a long time! About Ms. Hubbert!
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You are a terrible friend. You're also a terrible friend. We're FRIENDS?
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She asked me not to talk about it. Cat's already out of the bag.
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Doesn't mean I'm gonna let it run out the front door and into traffic.
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In for a penny, in for a pound!
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Not throwing good money after bad. (Damn it, I've been out-idiomed.)
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How do you even eat that? With my mouth!
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Want me to say anything? Rather you didn't, still gotta figure out what to do.
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It'll be for the best - unless you smoke crack and punch her in the face...
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OMF GROMF HOMF
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My intuition is telling me that Dora's being all wishy-washy aboout it when she SHOULD be over here making out with me.
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Okay. I'm gonna go down there and get a straight answer. Hold down the fort.
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Like, maybe you oughta give her some time to make up her mind? Waiting's for suckers!
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...Good luck.
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Tai should be romancing Dora, not demanding answers.

This is some truth man. Dora is a classy dame; she needs a little candlelight, a little music, a little chateau brion, and maybe a little sauvignon too. She's a fine lady who needs a little class and a lot of luurve.

Can Tai do that? Can she woo? I, for one, remain to be convinced.
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/sigh Tai, y u get ahead of yourself?

This will either go really badly or surprisingly well. I can only hope for the former.
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If Tai is able to get Dora in private, even in the closet in the back or the alley where Faye talked to Angus before, in a way a straight question might be good for Dora. They both want to no drama and if the answer is, "No." it'll suck but things can  start healing. Or it'll all be awkward for the rest of ever.
Although that said even if they decide to make a go, Tai is at a very different stage of life than Dora. For one, I'm pretty sure Dora's days of getting high and watching cartoons, especially while at work, are behind her. Also Tai is currently unsure of what she wants relationship-wise, other than Dora.
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Dora has contradicted herself about whether she even likes butch girls. It would be surprising if she could come up with a definite answer.
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Tai should be romancing Dora, not demanding answers.

This is some truth man. Dora is a classy dame; she needs a little candlelight, a little music, a little chateau brion, and maybe a little sauvignon too. She's a fine lady who needs a little class and a lot of luurve.

Can Tai do that? Can she woo? I, for one, remain to be convinced.

It'd feel incredibly weird for Tai to start wooing.  Just doesn't seem her from what we've seen from her personality. 

Not to mean it badly, but Tai always seemed "wam, bam, let's get down and get together".  Essentially, the HS level of wooing.  Not that it's necessarily bad, but.

I'd agree.  Dora wants to be wined and dined like what's his face did.  Joe? Jack? Can't remember with J it is.  Tai doing it would be a 180.

And to the one who said Dora has contradicted herself on butch girls, yea.  That makes this strange as well.  She "loves" butch girls, but I also seem to remember her saying she wasn't attracted to them though.  I can see Dora get tongue-tied and trying to avoid a definitive answer while Tai goes off and tries to force her hand.
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Also Tai is currently unsure of what she wants relationship-wise, other than Dora.

Only one way to find out.

One of the many things that could go wrong is if Tai needs an LTR and Dora has a rebound relationship with her instead. On the other hand, Dora doesn't seem on board with the idea of rebound relationships(526).
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I dunno about the very last panel. It's not like Marten has a vested interested in (a) seeing Dora move on to a relationship where she's clearly not necessarily all too psyched about, or (b) seeing his ex-gf hook up with his boss, when he knows that (c) his boss has a history of promiscuous flings and hook-ups on a level that he and Dora had long since moved past. 

And then he says "good luck"?

I dunno. That's a level of 'chill bro' that I can't relate to, but seems inhumanly egoless and passive. 

Anyway, nice cliffhanger for the weekend. 
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I'm almost reading that last line as a, "Well, I'm not going to be able to stop her, so might as well wish her luck" kind of statement. Not completely passive, but more along that famous quote that ends with "lie back and enjoy it".
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Wow. I've seen train wrecks that were less messy than this.

Not because its Tai or Dora themselves, per se. Its Tai running off to get a straight answer from Dora. One), its the morning after, its only been a few hours since Tai's pep talk. Dora probably hasn't had that much to think about it and get her head around it, so Tai coming in the next day asking for an answer is not going to be the best way to start things off.

Two) We can discuss Dora's view of relationships until the cows come home, but we do know that she does need to get back in the saddle sooner or later. The thing is, should she be getting into a serious relationship now? Jim was one date and she realised that things felt a little weird. We know that Tai is getting tired of the one night stands with her dorm-mates and looking for a mature relationship, whether or not she is actually ready for such a relationship is also another part of it. Most, mature people in situations like that do tend to wait a full day before going off to get an answer.

Three) Tai calling Dora "wishy-washy"... Sorry but if you're interested in someone and you call them "wishy-washy" without really knowing them is really just setting things up to fail (and in all fairness, Tai doesn't really know Dora as a friend or a lover as Faye and Marten, respectively, have. All her interactions with Dora have come from group social events and environments. She has never just gone out for drinks with Dora, or gone to the movies with her or just simply hung out with her). So just Tai calling Dora "wishy-washy" after one night without an answer just smacks of an immaturity that indicates that Tai isn't really ready for a relationship.
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I'm almost reading that last line as a, "Well, I'm not going to be able to stop her, so might as well wish her luck" kind of statement. Not completely passive, but more along that famous quote that ends with "lie back and enjoy it".

I see the look and attitude as bemused more than anything, with maybe a twinge of "I wonder what it would be like to be that decisive." Her reaction is pretty much the exact opposite of what he would do, and he's amused but confounded by it.
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Do we even know how seriously into girls Dora is? She's never actually been with a girl, has she? (Only thing I can think of on that question is Sven saying that all the guys she'd been with before Marten had treated her like shit - no mention of ever having been with a girl, IIRC.) A lot of 'bi' girls like the looks of girls and flirt with them, but can never quite make the leap into a serious relationship. Much like Tai's kinda-but-not-quite-really-poly status. Could be one of the many things feeding into Dora's hesitation, anyway.
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Do we even know how seriously into girls Dora is? She's never actually been with a girl, has she? (Only thing I can think of on that question is Sven saying that all the guys she'd been with before Marten had treated her like shit - no mention of ever having been with a girl, IIRC.) A lot of 'bi' girls like the looks of girls and flirt with them, but can never quite make the leap into a serious relationship. Much like Tai's kinda-but-not-quite-really-poly status. Could be one of the many things feeding into Dora's hesitation, anyway.

Another good question that has been raised before.  There was speculation considering her "Coven Days" but nothing definitive.  For me, I don't think she has been in a relationship with a girl.  Mild experimentation in the coven? Maybe.  Nothing serious or hardcore I'd imagine.  Again, it'd just be a seemingly out of character swing for a QC character.  Tai seems to "want serious" and it'd be strange for Dora to get right back on the horse with a girl no less, and one that wants serious.  I never really got the impression she was actually bi and I feel we'd need some kind of back story for it to be realistic with Tai otherwise it merely will seem like "well, someone finally WANTS ME so ok" type.  Dora seems like the flirty with girls type but when it comes to do the deed, is "eeeehhhh, not really me."

As I've said, Tai's interest always seemed doomed to failure.  However, while Tai's dreams will probably crash the burn, the experience Tai showed directly should help move Dora along in that there ARE people out there that will actively go after her unlike her and Marten where it was more a product of "why not?". 
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I see the look and attitude as bemused more than anything, with maybe a twinge of "I wonder what it would be like to be that decisive." Her reaction is pretty much the exact opposite of what he would do, and he's amused but confounded by it.

If I agree'd any harder I'd have to type it in huge red letters.

There definitely seems to be a bit of Marten going "I'd never do that. I hope it actually works - ...Good Luck"

Perhaps a slight acknowledgement from him that a positive approach might be more fulfilling in life.
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The cat's out of the bag.    0 (0%)
In for a penny, in for a pound.    0 (0%)
Throwing good money after bad.    0 (0%)
Putting the horse before the cart.    0 (0%)
Lead a horse to water, can't make it drink.    1 (2.3%)
Closing the barn doors after the horses have left.    3 (6.8%)
A clean house is the sign of a sick mind.    6 (13.6%)
Never have sex with anyone crazier than you.    11 (25%)
Get caught with your pants down.    0 (0%)
Tail wags the dog.    0 (0%)
Tai wags the Dora!    8 (18.2%)
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And yes, I did intentionally mix up the order of the "moments" so we weren't just all automatically going to the Friday comments.
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Do we even know how seriously into girls Dora is?

She fapped to Veronica Vance's porn pics back in the day. Which got her into girls apparently.

Ah yeah, forgot that one. Still a long way from an actual relationship, though.

(Man, Marten must have been using Extra Super Fluffy Hair Product on his bangs that day.)
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I'm almost reading that last line as a, "Well, I'm not going to be able to stop her, so might as well wish her luck" kind of statement. Not completely passive, but more along that famous quote that ends with "lie back and enjoy it".

I see the look and attitude as bemused more than anything, with maybe a twinge of "I wonder what it would be like to be that decisive." Her reaction is pretty much the exact opposite of what he would do, and he's amused but confounded by it.

I'll agree with this. Marten's whole attitude seems to be one of bemused acceptance. But I think Tai is royally screwing up here. As several folks have noted, Marten knows Dora better than anyone in their social circle and Tai ignored his advice to back off and give Dora some space to figure out what she wants. Tai is used to immediate gratification and seems even less experienced than Marten in monogamous relationships. Even if the full frontal assault of demanding that Dora make up her mind NOW works in the short term, it'll set a Dora/Tai relationship up for long term failure. Tai pressuring Dora will trigger her control issues in a whole different way than Marten's passivness did.

(Like the orange, Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post, PWHodges)
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As far as I can tell, the Friday comments are still in the normal Friday position anyway.
Doesn't matter to me, I was going to vote for something in the cliffhanger anyway. :P

Re: Dora's interest in girls, and aside from the Veronica Vance thing, I have a feeling that it would be very unusual for a lady who wasn't into other ladies to do this (narm narm narm narm), and certainly not this. Veronica Vance may have started it, so to speak, but that's definitely not all there is to it.
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Jeph said once that Dora's expressed interest in Faye was genuine and that if Faye had been interested they would have wound up together (if memory serves: this was quite a while ago).
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As far as I can tell, the Friday comments are still in the normal Friday position anyway.
Doesn't matter to me, I was going to vote for something in the cliffhanger anyway. :P

Re: Dora's interest in girls, and aside from the Veronica Vance thing, I have a feeling that it would be very unusual for a lady who wasn't into other ladies to do this (narm narm narm narm), and certainly not this. Veronica Vance may have started it, so to speak, but that's definitely not all there is to it.

Your first example isn't all that strange at all.  I've known very straight females do that to other females before.  They like their shampoos though.  Hell, even seen totally straight ones go for boob grabs and booty grabs as well.  All in good fun.

As for the other one, must not get out much.  Known ones that freak out like that over tats in intimate places.  Maybe not piercings, especially lady bit ones.

Still.  Until she she gets naked with another gal, I won't believe she's seriously considered booty calls with girls.  Especially having never done it before.
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So no one is allowed to have a definite sexual orientation until they've actually done the physical act? Does that go for straight virgins? Using that logic, Marigold hasn't proved she's truly attracted to men yet (though she sorta came close kinda).
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Jeph said once that Dora's expressed interest in Faye was genuine and that if Faye had been interested they would have wound up together (if memory serves: this was quite a while ago).
This comes to mind. Immediately...
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Why no, I don't happen to get out much. Was it that easy to tell? :-(

And I totally forgot this example, in which Dora implies (under a very thin veil) that she wouldn't mind Tai's brand of "no-strings-attached casual sex", except that it might make things weird with Marten.
So far, all evidence points to Marten not finding it weird at all.
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So no one is allowed to have a definite sexual orientation until they've actually done the physical act? Does that go for straight virgins? Using that logic, Marigold hasn't proved she's truly attracted to men yet (though she sorta came close kinda).

Funny world we live in, huh? Surprised we haven't delved into anarchy and chaos.
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I am so bored of Tai right now.  Let's see what Wil and Penelope are up to.
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So no one is allowed to have a definite sexual orientation until they've actually done the physical act? Does that go for straight virgins? Using that logic, Marigold hasn't proved she's truly attracted to men yet (though she sorta came close kinda).

No one is suggesting that Dora doesn't have a definite sexual orientation, we're just saying that we don't definitely know her sexual orientation.
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I am so bored of Tai right now.  Let's see what Wil and Penelope are up to.

Hopefully, not this scenario.
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So no one is allowed to have a definite sexual orientation until they've actually done the physical act? Does that go for straight virgins? Using that logic, Marigold hasn't proved she's truly attracted to men yet (though she sorta came close kinda).

No.  What I'm saying is that it isn't 100% known which way Dora swings because yes, she sure talks a mean game of digging the ladies and not minding some female luvin', but there has been zero evidence to really say for sure.  No heavy girl makeout session.  That's all I'm saying.

I am so bored of Tai right now.  Let's see what Wil and Penelope are up to.

I'd agree with that.  Tai never really did it for me.  Yet, anything would feel a little dull and subdued after the epic Space Arc.  But yea, I kinda want the Tai arc to end already. I want more creepy Faye coffee makers being made.  And I miss Hanners already.
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What is it you guys don't like about Tai? I've always thought she adds alot of color to the cast.
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What is it you guys don't like about Tai? I've always thought she adds alot of color to the cast.

Bit too over the top?  Not really sure. She just never interested me from the get-go.  Probably more indifference than not liking her character.  She's merely been comedic relief for me so far, though not even close to the standard of Pintsize.  Which, BTW, I miss that little bugger too.
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Hopefully, not this scenario.
Time for me to schedule an archive binge. I totally don't remember that at all.
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Still.  Until she she gets naked with another gal, I won't believe she's seriously considered booty calls with girls.  Especially having never done it before.

We don't know that.

What we know about from the strip is a makeout session with a nightclub DJ of the sort where you're expected to answer phone calls later. 404.
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Do we even know how seriously into girls Dora is? She's never actually been with a girl, has she? (Only thing I can think of on that question is Sven saying that all the guys she'd been with before Marten had treated her like shit - no mention of ever having been with a girl, IIRC.) A lot of 'bi' girls like the looks of girls and flirt with them, but can never quite make the leap into a serious relationship. Much like Tai's kinda-but-not-quite-really-poly status. Could be one of the many things feeding into Dora's hesitation, anyway.

I don't think Dora's ever been with a girl seriously, but having known the kind of girl you describe, I don't think your description is at all apt.  I don't think it's impossible that she could do as well with another woman as with Marten at their best - probably not Tai, who strikes me as an interim fling at best, but another woman.

(And I don't doubt she has "gotten naked with another gal" at least once.)
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Re-reading Friday's comic, I suspect Tai would have taken that course of action even if Marten didn't say anything.  She had already made her decision on what she was going to do but just wanted Marten to confirm that it was the right course of action.
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(And I don't doubt she has "gotten naked with another gal" at least once.)

Damn, so close!!
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Then there is also the way she cuddled Faye foir some surprise morning snuggles. It's likely Dora would turn Tai down, especially because she doesn't know why she's considering it. Although maybe she says yes to provide a twist to the comic. So basically everything could happen, including Tai getting cold feet which would be unlike her.
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I still don't understand why people take Dora's wisecracks and horseplay so seriously.  Back before strip 1047, whether she was straight or bi (I recall before she hooked up with Marten, a few lost souls even thought she was a lesbian) was a perennial discussion, and people would always bring up her "hitting on" Faye, which if anything seemed like evidence against.  It still kind of does... I really don't think she wants to have sex with Faye, and certainly not while she was still with Marten.  Nor do I think there was any prurience in her "surprise snuggles" and gropes through the years; hell, I don't think she'd even be up for it if Faye asked.  It's just wisecracks and horseplay, that's all.
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I don't know why people think we need to defend her being bisexual. She has claimed  be bisexual, I see no reason to question it.

Do we really live in a world where people feel the need to start spouting "PROVE IT" to someone's sexuality?
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Do we really live in a world where people feel the need to start spouting "PROVE IT" to someone's sexuality?

What the hell have you been popping, I want some of that stuff!!
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Do we really live in a world where people feel the need to start spouting "PROVE IT" to someone's sexuality?

What the hell have you been popping, I want some of that stuff!!

Yes, please do share the pharmacological love; remember, this is the same society that still asks shit like "when did you decide to be gay?" with sincerity.
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Always bet on Human stupidity

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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"Character is what you are in the Dark." - D.L. Moody
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Life's too short to be ashamed of how you were born.
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Do we really live in a world where people feel the need to start spouting "PROVE IT" to someone's sexuality?

What the hell have you been popping, I want some of that stuff!!

Yes, please do share the pharmacological love; remember, this is the same society that still asks shit like "when did you decide to be gay?" with sincerity.

After I took the poppers. *zing*
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