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[Method of Madness]

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If you choose to save him, you pull him up, but he's pissed and headbutts you (!) and he still falls to his death. That being said, I really enjoyed the good ending. The Trevor ending gets rid of Trevor and gives Franklin and Michael more money each. Killing Michael? No benefit at all, his share of the loot is just taken out of the game.

[Thrillho]

Nobody has any thoughts on any of the rest of my marathon list? 

[94ssd]

Nobody has any thoughts on any of the rest of my marathon list? 

Whether someone liked the game's storytelling is up to them. And I don't really care about gameplay mechanics as much as story in games that I play. So no, not really.

[snalin]

Yeah, I still cannot fathom why anybody would play a GTA game for their generally lackluster and uninteresting characters and story. Like, when they were all like "we're going to have a story about three different people!" I realized that they had no fucking clue why their games are engaging whatsoever.

I guess they wanted to differentiate themselves from the latest Saint's Row games, but I think Saints Row is really about capturing why people would play GTA games and cutting away all of the dead meat, so that might've been a bad idea.

[Blyss]

Nobody has any thoughts on any of the rest of my marathon list? 

I only just saw it - reading now, and will respond once I get a chance to give it thought.

[Thrillho]

Yeah, I still cannot fathom why anybody would play a GTA game for their generally lackluster and uninteresting characters and story. Like, when they were all like "we're going to have a story about three different people!" I realized that they had no fucking clue why their games are engaging whatsoever.

I guess they wanted to differentiate themselves from the latest Saint's Row games, but I think Saints Row is really about capturing why people would play GTA games and cutting away all of the dead meat, so that might've been a bad idea.

Well for one thing, because I thought the characters and story in most of Red Dead Redemption were fantastic, and they made that more recently than GTA IV.

[Method of Madness]

Honestly, I liked the GTA IV story, and played it all the way through multiple times.

[Thrillho]

Was less enamoured with the story, but I liked a lot of GTA IV's characters, just not Niko.

[Blyss]

Gareth, I finally got time to actually read and give some thought to the list you created earlier.  My response is in the spoiler box below.

Please bear in mind when reading it that I don't think you're wrong for your opinion.  At all.

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I thought the physics were better this time around than they have been - that said, the characters still look weird when doing things sometimes.

Agreed on the police system being better, except for when it wasn't.  The ability to outright cheat was kind of game breaking when it happened.  It didn't happen a lot, but was jarring when it did.

I liked most of the guns, but to be honest was disappointed with the way the rocket launcher misses as much as it does.  I end up wasting more ammunition than anything else.  In the real world, realistic - in my game, frustrating.

I liked Michael and the ability to use Packie too - especially Packie.  With Michael, there were times when it seemed he was written by multiple writers, who seemed to not know what the others were writing - so his character was disjointed at times, mostly in the cutscenes, because the character being displayed wasn't the character as I was playing him.

Agreed on a lot of the bullshit activities - When my hand started cramping up because of the fucking triathlons, I thought to myself, "fuck this shit."

Trevor…  I don't like the character, but it obviously didn't strike the same chord with me, as I don't hate him.  He just is.  Is the character terrible? Yes.  I don't know if it's supposed to be satirical.  I honestly don't know what they were going for except, as you put it, MAD DOG KILLER/DRUG DEALER.  Why was he necessary?  I can't answer.  Did I do the missions, yeah, but to be honest, I didn't enjoy much of his part of the game.

As with you, I recognized that the only ending worth doing was going to be the good ending.  As such, I didn't even bother with the others, even though by all accounts Trevor certainly deserved to die.

Character customization bothered me too with how they changed, but I think I at least understand that one - I think it was meant to convey the characters as living their lives even when not being played.  I also think it was unnecessary, and irritating.

The map being huge but mostly empty is a fairly recent trick for making gameplay longer, and Rockstar is one of the biggest offenders, so yeah it sucks, but it wasn't totally surprising to me either.

I can basically express the same sentiment for the underwater missions, and the GATHER UFO PARTS mission.  They suck and are unnecessarily tedious and long.  The reward for each is bullshit.

The stock market idea was a cool concept, but I find the execution lacking - or maybe I'm just doing it wrong - it doesn't work for shit for me.  I barely made anything even when using the tips - i.e.; I was going to MAKE that shit change by killing someone.

The switching between characters in a mission was cool - but not as over the top cool as they tried to hype it.  I used it quite a bit, and started using different ideas for when to switch, so it was interesting.

I guess that's about all I got for the list you created.  A lot of what bothered you bothered me, and I already responded specifically to the torture scene - which was reprehensible - so I left that out of this list.  In the end, though I still like the game overall, and I'm enjoying myself immensely in the online world they've created.

Just my 2 cents.

[Thrillho]

Hey man these things are all about preference, so I totally get you disagreeing with me on some points. I like that you've managed to pick out some other parts of it that I also didn't like and forgot to mention!

I agree there are times where I could see WHY things were done, but it didn't mean I didn't hate them.

[Blyss]

Hey, like you said, all about preference.  I can respect that people are different from me, and that's cool.  I don't blame you a bit for getting rid of the game if it made you feel that way.

[Masterpiece]

Hey, anyone of you guys still playing the online game? Just got a PS3+GTA V bundle and it's rather lonely playing GTA V on my own.

My PSN is Masthapiece

[Method of Madness]

Nah, I'm still all about the single player.

[Thrillho]

Sold mine already, just before the price dropped off a cliff. I got about £15 more for it than it's selling for now.

[94ssd]

I've just started online. I suck so much.

Alas, Masterpiece, I play on the 360.

[Masterpiece]

Aww, shame. Method, if you want to play, ring.

...Benefactor is still my favorite car brand.

[Method of Madness]

I prefer the motorcycles. They're just so much more fun to ride.

[Masterpiece]

I always die from crashes.

[Method of Madness]

Well yeah, that's the tradeoff. Worth it, though.

[Thrillho]

I just liked crashing a bike and trying to get the character to fly as far forward as possible.

[Blyss]

I'm online, usually at least once or twice a week.  Alas, I'm 360 as well.  Sockeydad, though if anyone does want to level up on some higher missions, or you know, just play golf or tennis or something.  I'm level 65.

[94ssd]

The flashing screens you get for having a killstreak or losing streak in deathmatches are the most annoying fucking thing ever. The flashing orange killstreak screen especially makes it impossible to see.

[Masterpiece]

That's Rockstars' idea of balancing <3

[94ssd]

That's Rockstars' idea of balancing <3

The losing streak screen makes it a lot more difficult to get a kill, though.

[Masterpiece]

I wasn't saying it's effective :S

[Blyss]

So, kind of random...

I normally don't play this game with my headset on, unless I'm playing with friends/crew members, and then I'm in a party with them so we're the only ones talking to each other.  The other night, I left my headset on, and it was just me, in the general population of the game room.  I left my mike muted, so no one knew I was even there.

Holy shit.  I've never heard the likes of it, and I've been gaming on xbox live for a while now.  The teenage (and probably preteen) profanity, the racial slurs, the constant barrage of gay slurs...  I'm no newbie, I've been around, but damn I have never heard it this condensed, and this concentrated.  I swear some of the people in the room didn't know a word that wasn't a curse word. 

An example:  "Fuck shit ni**a, fuck you!"

I guess...  I mean, he used the word 'you'.  I'm not averse to profanity.  I was a sailor, and as such, have been known to curse like one.  But my mind is a little blown when you no longer attempt to make actual sentences, but just fall back to almost every word a curse word.

I don't think I'll be doing that again any time soon.

[Pilchard123]

If it happens again, plug the mic into the speakers.

[de_la_Nae]

One of the things that finally turned me back off doing the multiplayer circuit of Modern Warfare 2 was just that sort of thing. Loses its charm after a while.

[Masterpiece]

I love playing the Faceplant game in GTA V. Ragdolls will never get old.

[Thrillho]

I stopped playing online because as it got more popular, it became more open to assholes.

When I was playing TFC and CS1.5/1.6 in the late 90s/early 00s, there was always your share of cheats and dickheads but servers were generally run with their own rules, admins and mods, and the dickheads and cheats were a minority, not a majority. I even got to mod some of the myself, but modern games are just a nightmarish free-for-all. Sure you can vote to kick, but when 75% of the people in the game are calling everyone 'faggot' anyway, no-one's going to get kicked.

[Masterpiece]

You know, I think that's because servers have gotten so decentralized. There's no sense of authority, no sense of familiarity when you join a game now.

Three years ago I used to play on a Team Fortress 2 server called Knights Social Club. It was a very active, very vocal server, with a huge amount of regulars. People were generally abiding to rules, and when they didn't, the hand of god came down and muted/kicked/banned, etc. It was insane amounts of fun, I spent 500 hours of playing there, even moderating at some point. That was the best online gaming experience I ever had (until Knight, the admin, turned into a huge douche and the server fell apart).

[snalin]

Team Fortress 2 seems to have a pretty nice player community - at least I find that there's very little cursing and stuff thrown around. Biggest problem the game has is that 80% of the servers out there are bullshit. For every player on a real map, there's 20 on 2Fort, 30 on some Orange map, and 200 on something that's not even team fucking fortress.

If you're looking for a nice TF2 server, Grumpy Old Gits is nice when it's got players on (usually UK afternoon).

[Masterpiece]

I haven't played TF2 regularly in ages. Last time I played was in 2011.

[94ssd]

Also why the fuck did Rockstar make steeling cars a pain in the ass in a game THAT IS FUCKING CALLED GRAND THEFT AUTO BY ADDING THESE STUPID FUCKING AI BOUNTIES!!!

Also I can't get my vehicle back from the insurance company.

[94ssd]

Using hairstyles, I have now transformed the characters into Walter White, Jack Nicholson in The Shining, and Kanye West.

[Method of Madness]

I was disappointed I couldn't make Trevor bald.

[94ssd]

I was disappointed I couldn't make Trevor bald.

You can. The barber in Rockford Hills has different hairstyles. I made him look pretty badass by making him bald with a handlebar mustache (you have to sign up for the Rockstar site for the 'stache though)

[Thrillho]

I didn't sign up for anything but I didn't find a decent moustache for Trevor. He suits the bald look something fierce. I actually hated him a lot less once I changed his look.

[Method of Madness]

(you have to sign up for the Rockstar site for the 'stache though)

If it's something you download, fine. But if it's something that's on the disc but you have to sign up for to access then FUCK THIS SO MUCH.

[94ssd]

(you have to sign up for the Rockstar site for the 'stache though)

If it's something you download, fine. But if it's something that's on the disc but you have to sign up for to access then FUCK THIS SO MUCH.

At least it's free. I'm not entirely sure how it works.

[Blyss]

Typically, if you sign up for the Rockstar Social club, you then download an update and you get a free car, and some other content.  It's not that bad a deal really.  I was already a member from LA Noir days so it just carried over for me.  Some neat perks for signing up, and it's free, so it's not bad.

[Blyss]

A gameplay tip:

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If anyone invites you to play "ROOFTOP RUMBLE" accept it.  It's a level 75 mission that takes about 5 minutes total, and gives you $18, 750, and 3900+ reputation points (XP)  Good stuff

[de_la_Nae]

But do the rooftops start cowering in fear from you afterward?

[Blyss]

By god, they better.  Cracks me up a little, because it doesn't even take place on a rooftop, nor does any part of the mission have a rooftop setting.  It's weird.

[Blyss]

My new truck, after the new update yesterday.   

[Masterpiece]

I can't play GTA Online. I'm always placed into empty lobbies.

[Blyss]

Are your online settings defaulted to "invite only" rooms?  That's the only thing I could think of that would cause that.

[Masterpiece]

No.

[94ssd]

My new truck, after the new update yesterday.   

I got one too. It's fun for car-crushing and off-roading, but it has the turning radius of a tractor-trailer.

[Blyss]

No.

I'm honestly not sure then.  Does it only go to empty rooms every time?  That's a hell of a thing.

@94ssd - yeah, but got better with the upgrades.  The only thing I couldn't upgrade fully was the engine, because I still need to win some races in that class.  But it sure is fun to roll around in when I'm driving to missions and such.