Topic: WCDT: 2352-2356 (31 Dec. 2012-4 Jan. 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread (Read 33275 times)

Barmymoo · « **Reply #100 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 08:57 »

I think this discussion should go over to DISCUSS. Unfortunately just at the moment I am too furious to contribute rationally to it.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #101 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 09:37 »

Quote from: Barmymoo on 03 Jan 2013, 03:50

This might be better in the DISCUSS forum but still...

Agree that this belongs to DISCUSS. Mods?

Quote from: Barmymoo on 03 Jan 2013, 03:50

Quote from: The first article Akima linked
Women are making the wrong choices early in their careers

Now that, I find offensive. I am one of those women making a career choice that will lead to a fairly poorly-paid job, and hopefully I will be taking time out from that job in order to raise children. It is the right choice for me. I'm 100% behind the idea that women ought to be paid the same amount as men (and that traditionally "female" jobs like, for instance, midwifery, teaching, administrative work and shop work should be paid at an equal level to comparable "male" jobs like being a doctor, construction, being a solicitor and accountancy) but I find that sentence to be suggesting that it is women's own fault if they don't make a shitton of money because they made the wrong choice. I should not have to choose between doing a job I would be good at and enjoy, and having a decent wage.

(bolded the "being a doctor" part as my comment is mostly about that)

There is a lot of variation country by country. I don't know about UK, but here a clear majority of doctors are women. Already about 30 years ago, when yours truly and his classmates were starting college. I attended some parties organized by the med students (well, I was dating one), and it was very evenly split, but the stats showed that female students had a majority. The development since has only strengthened this to the extent that I cannot remember, when I last had an appointment with a male doctor. Granted, I have only needed the services of GPs lately.

Math on the other hand... even that has changed since, but only to the extent that 90-10 split has become something 80-20. I discussed this with a Spanish colleague once. Over there it was that the medical profession was predominantly male, but at her math department they had a 50-50 split. Go figure? A possible explanation we came up with was the lack/presence of encouragement and/or positive role models for smart girls. There is some injustice here that usually boys are encouraged to pursue the specialty of their choice, but girls may not receive similar attention and positive feedback for doing the same (at the critical age, say junior high school or so).

It is up to we the parents, teachers, ..., to fix this last thing. The educated women can do their part as role models. That will help the young girls - in a generation or two.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #102 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 09:59 »

Quote from: Skewbrow on 03 Jan 2013, 09:37

Agree that this belongs to DISCUSS. Mods?

I would but some posts have stuff about both this topic and the comic itself, so it'd be tricky to split it off without interrupting one of the threads.

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #103 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 10:31 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 03 Jan 2013, 07:58

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 03 Jan 2013, 04:57
I'm sure there are women out there who are more than willing to work as a true equal, I just haven't met any.

I have. Many of them. And my life is richer for it.

My goddaughter was a mechanic in the army, and is now working as a gunsmith (she's also now a mother).

One of my best friends in the theatre group works for DPA in cleanup, not to mention being a registered electrician (mainly so she can work the union theatrical lighting gigs).

Not only do they exist, they are more common than you'd think. Just 'cause you've led a sheltered work life...

It may be a generational "thing" rather than a gender-specific thing. I understand there are thousands of women in the armed-forces who are HIGHLY educated in the mechanical and technical arts.

And it could also be a cost/HR thing as well. Those kick-ass true-equal women more than likely aren't working for $7.50 an hour in a plastic factory for 12 hours a day either. One assumes the good ones get hired up and retained at much higher wages at those hypothetical "really great places to work" that just don't exist in this region.

End result is the situation I have described. I freely admit that I have "yet" to meet these rare folks. I would LOVE to not have to watch my back in regards to pretend harassment charges. It would be a dream come true to no have to warn new coworkers about "that one lady over there reports everyone for menacing behavior" (except it's never been just one) and it would be an honor to work alongside someone who can do the same tasks that I can do without accommodation for icky-ness, odor, 'excessive' bending/lifting, or dozens of other oddly specific complaints.

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #104 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 10:34 »

I'm going to bow out of further discussion on this topic to avoid offending people further. My work experience, while far from unique is obviously radically different than what the rest of you have experienced.

Want to discuss it with me further lets take it to another thread or private messages please.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #105 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 10:44 »

A thread on women in the workforce is started in DISCUSS. Please use it. MoM is right about the difficulty of splitting the current discussion but I'm not ruling it out.

Marten was known to be Veronica's only son, but sisters were a theoretical possibility up to now.

westrim · « **Reply #106 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 10:50 »

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 03 Jan 2013, 10:34

I'm going to bow out of further discussion on this topic to avoid offending people further. My work experience, while far from unique is obviously radically different than what the rest of you have experienced.

Multispacing between sentences and doubleposting!? I'm sorry, but I can never forgive your transgressions, it'll have to be a life sentence.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #107 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 11:16 »

It's not impossible that Marten could have a sibling which he doesn't know about. I'm a good example of that: until I was 16 I was the eldest of two. Now I'm the middle of eight. Granted, five of those new siblings are due to marriage/foster/repartnering but one is an honest-to-God biological sibling that no one told me about until two years ago.

jwhouk · « **Reply #108 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 12:38 »

THAT would be a hilarious pregnancy arc:

"Hi mom, what's up?"

"I'm pregnant, Marten dear. Don't tell your father."

sitnspin · « **Reply #109 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 20:29 »

I agree with Martin. I am so glad I was an only child.

Kugai · « **Reply #110 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 20:35 »

I dunno, it might be interesting to watch them raise a kid.

jwhouk · « **Reply #111 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 20:43 »

That might be part of Sam's punishment....

Bluesummers · « **Reply #112 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 20:49 »

Are we sure it's Sam's punishment, and not everyone else's?

Wait...what? Did you mean having Sam take care of a baby?! Hah...lil' baby Skullmaster. I shall call her...Mini-skull.

CrowFairy · « **Reply #113 on:** 03 Jan 2013, 22:30 »

Quote from: Barmymoo on 03 Jan 2013, 11:16

It's not impossible that Marten could have a sibling which he doesn't know about. I'm a good example of that: until I was 16 I was the eldest of two. Now I'm the middle of eight. Granted, five of those new siblings are due to marriage/foster/repartnering but one is an honest-to-God biological sibling that no one told me about until two years ago.

My closest friend has quite a few half-siblings for varying reasons (three by his dad and three by his mom). One of them (from my friend's dad's loins

) was taken away by the mom and just kinda vanished. He suddenly showed up a year ago, and he's pretty much a terrible person, and I think I'm not the only one who wishes he hadn't shown up, after the way he treated the family. One of the other half-siblings is just recently trying to be in touch with my friend. But it's super-awkward, because he's still in middle school, and we attempt to spend time with him, but it's hard because how do you hang out with someone 10 years younger than you and is still in freakin' middle school without it feeling like babysitting?? (Answer, I have yet to find a way.) Two of the half-siblings are self-entitled pigs and turds. But they're little and love me, so they aren't all bad.

I don't really know anything about the other half-siblings because they haven't shown any interest in hanging out with my friend, and I only met them once, and that was because we were picking up the middle-schooler...

What I'm getting at is that siblings show up out of the friggin' woodwork, man.

Soulsynger · « **Reply #114 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 00:50 »

I'm sure the sole reason for ~~Dave~~ Dale being relieved no one offered to bone him is his concern for and commitment to his work schedule. Yeah. No one is being heterophobic around here, no sir.

<mod> corrected name to avoid misunderstanding</mod>

<me> Oops. </me>

WAYF · « **Reply #115 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 01:03 »

Or possibly because Hannelore has flashing warning lights and a sign saying "DETOUR: ANY OTHER FEMALE IN EXISTENCE".

Doc · « **Reply #116 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 01:41 »

What kind of pizza is that? It looks like cream-strawberry to me.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #117 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 02:13 »

Pepperoni (salami)?

Lubricus · « **Reply #118 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 02:19 »

It's obviously Generic Comics Pizza!

Barmymoo · « **Reply #119 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 04:23 »

Quote from: LoliBot on 03 Jan 2013, 22:30

how do you hang out with someone 10 years younger than you and is still in freakin' middle school without it feeling like babysitting?

Talk to them like a human being! I have no idea what middle school is but I have friends who are 10, friends who are 14, friends who are 8 even. Obviously the topics of conversation are a little different - no point talking about my dissertation to kids who don't really understand what university even is, and certainly I wouldn't discuss sex with a kid (although I did once talk about sex to the 12 year old I was taking care of, but naturally I made it age-appropriate and it was in response to her questions). Remember that kids are people too, treat them like you'd treat any adult but just avoid conversation topics you wouldn't bring up with, for instance, your grandmother or a friendly old man in the bus queue.

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What I'm getting at is that siblings show up out of the friggin' woodwork, man.

True dat. So true.

Akima · « **Reply #120 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 04:25 »

Quote from: Lubricus on 04 Jan 2013, 02:19

It's obviously Generic Comics Pizza!

Well, it certainly was delivered in a very generic box. I suppose Pizza brand pizza is like the Beer brand beer Jeph drew a while ago. It looks nasty.

LordVaughn · « **Reply #121 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 04:36 »

Is it just me, or has the shade of white in Hannelore's place changed? It's more of a creme color now than an outright white like it used to be. Maybe that's why the pizza seems so white in comparison.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #122 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 05:14 »

She probably switched light bulb brands to one with a softer light.

K1dmor · « **Reply #123 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 05:17 »

Does Dale work with Pizza-Girl? They have the same box. (?

Lubricus · « **Reply #124 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 05:29 »

Quote from: K1dmor on 04 Jan 2013, 05:17

Does Dale work with Pizza-Girl? They have the same box. (?

Maybe Dale IS Pizza Girl!

Soulsynger · « **Reply #125 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 05:36 »

Quote from: Lubricus on 04 Jan 2013, 05:29

Maybe Dale IS Pizza Girl!

I mean, come on! Could that bag BE anymore the same color as most of PGs outfit?

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #126 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 05:58 »

OK yeah it was funny the first couple times but I'd kinda like to see Dale's eyes again

Bluesummers · « **Reply #127 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 06:10 »

He's like Gendou Ikari...every rare instance of him must be saturated in mystery.

Cambyses · « **Reply #128 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 06:15 »

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Well, it certainly was delivered in a very generic box. I suppose Pizza brand pizza is like the Beer brand beer Jeph drew a while ago. It looks nasty.

Well, a lot of pizza places that aren't the huge chains like Domino's or Pizza Hut or whatever do have generic red white and green boxes, usually with bad art of a grinning fat chef with a handlebar mustache to indicate that he's an offensive national stereotype. Though the box for the pizza I ate just yesterday just said "PIZZA" and had a kind of simplistic design that I think was supposed to resemble the striped awning of an old-timey pizza parlor.

drewdane · « **Reply #129 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 07:36 »

The look on Marigold's face is CLASSIC!

sitnspin · « **Reply #130 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 08:16 »

If that is something that actually happens, I want to work as a pizza delivery gal.

Carl-E · « **Reply #131 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 08:23 »

As the title suggests, only in porno.

Mr. Doctor · « **Reply #132 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 08:25 »

Quote from: Barmymoo on 04 Jan 2013, 04:23

Quote from: LoliBot on 03 Jan 2013, 22:30
how do you hang out with someone 10 years younger than you and is still in freakin' middle school without it feeling like babysitting?
Talk to them like a human being! I have no idea what middle school is but I have friends who are 10, friends who are 14, friends who are 8 even. Obviously the topics of conversation are a little different - no point talking about my dissertation to kids who don't really understand what university even is, and certainly I wouldn't discuss sex with a kid (although I did once talk about sex to the 12 year old I was taking care of, but naturally I made it age-appropriate and it was in response to her questions). Remember that kids are people too, treat them like you'd treat any adult but just avoid conversation topics you wouldn't bring up with, for instance, your grandmother or a friendly old man in the bus queue.

This reminds me that one of my better friends is my best friend's dad. He's one hell of a cool guy and we talk a lot.

Welu · « **Reply #133 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 08:33 »

I laughed pretty hard at this strip. Didn't realize how much I missed Dale till I saw him.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #134 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 09:14 »

Quote from: Lubricus on 04 Jan 2013, 05:29

Maybe Dale IS Pizza Girl!

We've never seen them together!

gangler · « **Reply #135 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 09:27 »

I love that this acknowledges how incredibly uncomfortable the situation would be were somebody to make that offer in real life. To comedic effect no less!

PHDrillSergeant · « **Reply #136 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 09:44 »

I'm a pizza delivery guy. I've never been offered sex as payment/tip, but I have has a hot girl answer the door completely naked...she also tipped me $10. So it was win/win.

On the other hand, if anyone offered to share the pizza with me as a tip, I'd decline...I'm sick of our pizza.

HiFranc · « **Reply #137 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 09:50 »

Marigold seems to be hiding from the conversation and/or Dale. I wonder what role she's going to play in the proceedings.

celticgeek · « **Reply #138 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 10:00 »

There seems to be an even number of toppings on Hannelore's slice of pizza. Just sayin'.

sitnspin · « **Reply #139 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 10:18 »

Quote from: PHDrillSergeant on 04 Jan 2013, 09:44

I'm a pizza delivery guy. I've never been offered sex as payment/tip, but I have has a hot girl answer the door completely naked...she also tipped me $10. So it was win/win.

I have only ever worked either in retail, as a barrista, and as a tattoo artist. Two involved tips and only one involved seeing a woman (partially) naked. But, yes, win/win.

You know, now that I think about it, it probably would be more awkward than sexy.

Urbonov · « **Reply #140 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 10:52 »

...Can anyone remind me, as I cannot seem to recall if it's ever come up, but does Hanners know Marigold and Dale have met before? I know someone commented on how Dale seemed into her before but she shot it down with a "An alliance rogue? I'm not THAT desperate." or something like that.

HiFranc · « **Reply #141 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 11:04 »

Quote from: Urbonov on 04 Jan 2013, 10:52

...Can anyone remind me, as I cannot seem to recall if it's ever come up, but does Hanners know Marigold and Dale have met before? I know someone commented on how Dale seemed into her before but she shot it down with a "An alliance rogue? I'm not THAT desperate." or something like that.

That happened in 1680. Going backwards from that strip we see that Hanners arived in 1679. In other words it's probable that she knows.

Urbonov · « **Reply #142 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 11:12 »

Quote from: HiFranc on 04 Jan 2013, 11:04

That happened in 1680. Going backwards from that strip we see that Hanners arived in 1679. In other words it's probable that she knows.

Well, first, thanks for the speedy research. I am very hopeful we get at least another comic with these three. Possible awkward hilarity.

HiFranc · « **Reply #143 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 12:06 »

You're welcome, Urbonov.

However, there is no big secret to finding things fast. As someone once pointed out to me, there is a shortcut.

Then again, there was a time that I knew the archives well enough to put my hand on any strip within 10 mins or so. Nowadays, I can't do that.

CrowFairy · « **Reply #144 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 12:48 »

Quote from: Barmymoo on 04 Jan 2013, 04:23

Quote from: LoliBot on 03 Jan 2013, 22:30
how do you hang out with someone 10 years younger than you and is still in freakin' middle school without it feeling like babysitting?

Talk to them like a human being! I have no idea what middle school is but I have friends who are 10, friends who are 14, friends who are 8 even. Obviously the topics of conversation are a little different - no point talking about my dissertation to kids who don't really understand what university even is, and certainly I wouldn't discuss sex with a kid (although I did once talk about sex to the 12 year old I was taking care of, but naturally I made it age-appropriate and it was in response to her questions). Remember that kids are people too, treat them like you'd treat any adult but just avoid conversation topics you wouldn't bring up with, for instance, your grandmother or a friendly old man in the bus queue.

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What I'm getting at is that siblings show up out of the friggin' woodwork, man.

True dat. So true.

I do try! But it's seriously just really awkward for both of us. And ethnocentric me forgot about non-Americans there--sorry! Middle school is typically 6th-8th grade, also known as junior high school, and consists of 11-13-year-olds...ish. What happened with the kid the other day was just mostly trying to figure out what to do. Um, video game? How about this one now? And now this movie that isn't terribly interesting and kinda rips off the new Muppets movie but you brought it so we feel obligated to sit through it? We try talking to him, but he's not terribly bright. :/ I don't mean that he should understand college-level stuff or anything, but we try to teach him card games, and he's lost. He seems kinda...clueless. So it's hard to talk about stuff he should know without it feeling like we're talking down to him. He's also kind of a perv and makes jokes about sexual stuff I hadn't even heard of until a couple of years ago.

I love being around kids and such and can talk to anyone of any age most of the time, now that I think about it (forgot about all the little volunteers I mentor at the library), but for some reason, hanging around this kid is just awkward. I can entertain kids 10 and under and mentor kids 13 and up. But 11 and 12? They're always in just that weird state where I have no idea what to say. :/

Quote from: Mr. Doctor on 04 Jan 2013, 08:25

Quote from: Barmymoo on 04 Jan 2013, 04:23
Quote from: LoliBot on 03 Jan 2013, 22:30
how do you hang out with someone 10 years younger than you and is still in freakin' middle school without it feeling like babysitting?
Talk to them like a human being! I have no idea what middle school is but I have friends who are 10, friends who are 14, friends who are 8 even. Obviously the topics of conversation are a little different - no point talking about my dissertation to kids who don't really understand what university even is, and certainly I wouldn't discuss sex with a kid (although I did once talk about sex to the 12 year old I was taking care of, but naturally I made it age-appropriate and it was in response to her questions). Remember that kids are people too, treat them like you'd treat any adult but just avoid conversation topics you wouldn't bring up with, for instance, your grandmother or a friendly old man in the bus queue.

This reminds me that one of my better friends is my best friend's dad. He's one hell of a cool guy and we talk a lot.

I used to love to talk to people's parents and even teachers!!

I guess I got more self-conscious, because now I'm always paranoid that they're judging me. @_@

Mr. Doctor · « **Reply #145 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 13:59 »

I'm the other way around... I'm more self-conscious with people of my age. With adults or children I have no big deal talking to.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #146 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 14:02 »

I do have a problem with kids aged about 14, though, so perhaps it just depends on the person. My issue with 14 year olds is that mostly, they are horrible.

jwhouk · « **Reply #147 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 14:16 »

Quote from: HiFranc on 04 Jan 2013, 12:06

You're welcome, Urbonov.

However, there is no big secret to finding things fast. As someone once pointed out to me, there is a shortcut.

Yeah, but the idiot who put that together really drags his feet on updating it. It's like he has a life or something.

Carl-E · « **Reply #148 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 14:53 »

You wouldn't think so, reading the forums...

Tova · « **Reply #149 on:** 04 Jan 2013, 15:47 »

I assume that the psyduck was added after glancing at the comparative number of posts.

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