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Over/Under on number of Awkward Zone Initiations This week?

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It depends on how much those involved drink...
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...and on the amount of Spathe Ham consumed.
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I dunno, but I don't want to see MartenMom drunk.
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Nor Claire.
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10 tons of snow will suddenly fall on the cast, dropping the wedding into darkness.
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Be realistic: more like 5 tons.
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There are no waffles because you eat Pancakes on Fat Tuesday, so there. :P
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Author Topic: WCDT: 2382-2386 (11-15 February, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread  (Read 103361 times)

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What about that older dude with the kid that Dora dated very briefly? I can't recall his name, but this seems veeeery much like a set up for him and Veronica.
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lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
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What about that older dude with the kid that Dora dated very briefly? I can't recall his name, but this seems veeeery much like a set up for him and Veronica.
He was already mentioned - Jim.
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I can't shake the feeling that Henry was a bit cruel to set Marten up for having to handle his mother's breakdown...

I don't think it's cruel. The man has known her longer than Marten has been alive and seems as sensitive to the moods and needs of others as his son. He's aware something's wrong, but he's aware enough to know that she probably doesn't want to admit it to him. He took the measure he could take, which was send their son, a person they both love and trust, to be there for her, just in case.

I think he's just plain oblivious. He's in LUUURRRVVVVE, doncha know?
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lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.
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lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.

Are you saying women are submissive by default?  If so that's some kind of -ism and probably a bad one!
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I didn't read it that way.

In fact I can't read it that way if I try.
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lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.

Pornography =/= Real Life. For the record being called a faggot isn't sexy either.

I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male.

By definition it's an effeminate male, not a transperson. Just as how crossdressers aren't transgender, since if they are.. then they aren't crossdressing.

It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too

Not so much with the "humiliated" part, but it's worth noting people who cope with Gender Dysphoria prior to accepting it with stuff like that. Like those in "drag" who eventually do transition, because they realized they weren't there for the same reasons as the others.

Claire is certainly not a self-denying closet-case, though, so obviously that doesn't apply (and the word is wrong in either case). It's just that the "treated like a girl" part prior to figuring yourself out more.. that was always nice, so it wouldn't surprise me to find some cases who got that stuff confused for a while, even if I personally didn't.

Are you saying women are submissive by default?  If so that's some kind of -ism and probably a bad one!

I don't see where you're reading that in the post. Although that's still statistically true. There's a big difference between "generally more X" and "all X". The former is reality, the latter nonsense.
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What about that older dude with the kid that Dora dated very briefly? I can't recall his name, but this seems veeeery much like a set up for him and Veronica.
He was already mentioned - Jim.

Ahhh my mistake, I couldn't remember his name at all and figured that the folk saying Jim were referring to Jimbo
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Jim ≠ Jimbo.

Check the Cast List. :parrot:
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I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male.

Webster's includes the meaning "a cowardly person", and up to now I would have had no hesitation in using it like that.  However, Googling the word brings up so much sexual stuff that I am (a) startled, and (b) likely to avoid using the word again in case I say something I didn't intend.
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Ah, yes, the delicious intricacies of sexual behaviours. I am a bit like Pintsize on this one: I find fascinating what people do sexually. Well, not vanilla (which is simple in terms of fulfilled needs, endorphins and all that) but the rest is simply mind-boggling.
For a glimpse into the mechanics of some more risqué stuff, may I recommend the webcomic Sunstone. I linked the TVTRopes page, to avoid any NSFW mishap.
For those who do not know that webcomic: it is ia character-centred comic about the love-life of a group of persons who have an interest in BDSM. What makes it special (apart from the quality of drawing. Well, the author is a pro...) is the amount of care given to the psychology of the characters. It is far from a porn-excuse, and is actually a thoroughly well thought-out tale.
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Jim ≠ Jimbo.
May I ask how you created that character?

It is far from a porn-excuse, and is actually a thoroughly well thought-out tale.
It would have to be, to get through TVTropes newish PG-13 rating.
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TVTropes changed again? I used to go on it all the time, then came back a year or so later and found all the fun back-and-forth in the entries gone, as well as the entirety of Troper Tales, plus a few other things I liked that were gone.

Not sure what "Control Top" means but it makes me think of Muffin Top. Claire's not giving up on that scotch, good for her, I guess.
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lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.

Careful, you might be accused of shipping, which is a no-no here.
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Claire is cuter than a puppy licking a child's ears.
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She may have spilled it, but I'm impressed she at least landed the glass on the counter while she fainted I've heard of stuff that'll knock you out, but that's ridiculous.

I like how in the last panel Marten looks completely unconcerned with either the fainting or his mom's spare tire.
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I like how in the last panel Marten looks completely unconcerned with either the fainting or his mom's spare tire.

Well, neither will be unfamiliar territory for him, considering his family and friends. I agree, though - that's Marten at his finest!
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He seemed to be concerned for Claire's well-being.

Marten, my social protocol database suggests that your mom doesn't need logical reassurance but instead should be hugged.
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Hm... there there, Veronica. What about Sven? Is that still an option?
And btw. does anybody know Veronica's last name? Even the wiki lists her as a "Reed" but that was only Henry's last name... right? Right?!
This post is quite ironic, considering the comic posted therein.
No it isn't.


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I never understood people who push themselves to drink stuff they don't like the taste of. Then again, I don't even understand how ANYONE could like the taste of alcohol at all.
To me, people drinking scotch/whiskey/rum and "enjoying" at are just very good at preventing their face from going "BLERGH!" and lying about it.  :-D


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TVTropes changed again? I used to go on it all the time, then came back a year or so later and found all the fun back-and-forth in the entries gone, as well as the entirety of Troper Tales, plus a few other things I liked that were gone.
Yep. Change happens, of course, but Google flagged Naughty Tentacles and pulled ad support (apparently someone found it offensive), and depending on who you ask, the site owner either overreacted and shot down anything even vaguely porny or rapey (as in, any trope in the Rape Trope category disappeared for a while), or used it as an excuse to do some personally desired censoring.

The two things you mention had similar slash and burn responses. The Tropers Tales were basically a dumping ground for trolls and creepiness, but most were still fine (being attached to tropes that didn't lend themselves to abuse unlike, say, Kissing Cousins). I kind of agree with the other one, because people kept on treating examples as forums. The idea was to make them just examples and have the wiki written with one voice.

I can say all this because I've been a formatting and sentence structure editor for media and tropes I liked on the site for a while now, but I stay far on the outside of any of this administrative stuff. I figure it's still a useful tool.
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He seemed to be concerned for Claire's well-being.

Marten, my social protocol database suggests that your mom doesn't need logical reassurance but instead should be hugged.
Fainting trumps midlife crises, though. She can get a hug next strip.

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I never understood people who push themselves to drink stuff they don't like the taste of. Then again, I don't even understand how ANYONE could like the taste of alcohol at all.
To me, people drinking scotch/whiskey/rum and "enjoying" at are just very good at preventing their face from going "BLERGH!" and lying about it.  :-D
Disagree with the first part, agreed on the second. Everything's worth a try or two, even if it was so overpowering the first time that your taste buds barely had a chance.

That said, I've tried alcohol of various types on various occasions, and it's never seemed remotely palatable. Not light beer, dark beer, multiple types of wine, rum, whiskey, Margaritas that were 9/10 fruit juice, vodka, sprite and vodka that was 9/10 ice, or anything else. At best, it tastes like someone terminally screwed up a perfectly good drink by adding alcohol. At worst, it was alcohol.
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He seemed to be concerned for Claire's well-being.
Marten, my social protocol database suggests that your mom doesn't need logical reassurance but instead should be hugged.
Fainting trumps midlife crises, though. She can get a hug next strip.

For me, my mom wiggling her stomach around would be a very hug-preventing sight.
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Really interesting how everyone is responding to Claire's scotch troubles and not Marten's mom. I thought that was just a throwaway gag!

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She still goes by "Reed" socially.

How does anyone develop an acquired taste without some persistence? Anyway Claire doesn't seem like the type to give up easily.
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Really interesting how everyone is responding to Claire's scotch troubles and not Marten's mom. I thought that was just a throwaway gag!

We are being watched! Quick, everyone, act normally!
Um... man,  that is some spare tire, Martenmom! Looks like she needs a mechanic, ifyouknowwhatImean.
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It is tricky to feel too much sympathy for Veronica as she is wealthy, has men throwing themselves at her and is still a fox.
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Really interesting how everyone is responding to Claire's scotch troubles and not Marten's mom. I thought that was just a throwaway gag!

We are being watched! Quick, everyone, act normally!
Um... man,  that is some spare tire, Martenmom! Looks like she needs a mechanic, ifyouknowwhatImean.

You know what, enough of this! GET OUT! JUST GET OUT!
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We are being watched! Quick, everyone, act normally!
Okay, okay !

Wait... how does one even do that ?
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It's been scientifically proven impossible when called to do it.

... we could just talk about butts?


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Also, if he brought it with him, this might cheer up Veronica a little bit.
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I thought the "normal" actions of any forumites would be to perform shipping. And we're not allowed to do that. We're screwed, people!  :psyduck: :evil:
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Maybe it's because I've been on this forum for such a long time but I really don't ever think "I wish we were allowed to ship". I'd rather leave that sort of decision to Jeph. It just doesn't cross my mind.

I can't really decide whether Veronica deserves lots of loving support, or needs a good shake to get her back into her senses. Because as Marten says, she could probably just find a relationship if she needed one.
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The problem is, I suspect she'd have to wade through a sea of fans trying to get into her pants, before she actually got a relationship.
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Claire looks like a deactivated anthro pc there in the last few panels. She doesn't have pupils anymore.
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Maybe it's because I've been on this forum for such a long time but I really don't ever think "I wish we were allowed to ship". I'd rather leave that sort of decision to Jeph. It just doesn't cross my mind.
I'm with you on that. I don't mind seeing where Jeph goes with his comic. Shipping characters is about as appealing as when (if not 'back in the day' as in my case) you're at school and the popular girls (or guys, whatever the case may be), walk up to the obviously un-popular kid (in my case, me), and say that their friend likes them.

I can't really decide whether Veronica deserves lots of loving support, or needs a good shake to get her back into her senses. Because as Marten says, she could probably just find a relationship if she needed one.
In this case, both will probably end up being one and the same. She's spent years relying on T&A to get what she wanted. Now with this wedding happening, she's finally realised what she wanted isn't what she was after: happiness and love.

Claire looks like a deactivated anthro pc there in the last few panels. She doesn't have pupils anymore.
Her brother would be jealous if he heard you say that (either that, or prepare his tool kit to check...)
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Time for Marten to choose: in a crisis - friend or family?  Looks like friend is ahead, though her crisis is also more acute I guess.  Also he may feel responsible for getting her involved in the scenario in the first place.
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lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.

you're right, Claire is female in her day to day life, my mistake. Just another tranny slave then.
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I can't really decide whether Veronica deserves lots of loving support, or needs a good shake to get her back into her senses. Because as Marten says, she could probably just find a relationship if she needed one.

Probably both, one does not exclude the other.

And "just finding a relationship"  is anthing but but easy.  It's the difference between "Mr/Ms Right"  and "Mr/Ms Right Now."
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Re: Veronica

I turn 55 in a few weeks. I know the feeling.
However... it's also our 32nd wedding anniversary in a week. I love my partner even more today than I did when we married.
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you're right, Claire is female in her day to day life, my mistake. Just another tranny slave then.
Just a word to the wise : the word "tranny", like the word "nigger" or the word "kike", is deprecated. Parentherically, Intersex people don't like being called "hermaphrodites" either, let alone "pseudo-hermaphrodites". Those two terms are slurs in most contexts, unless dealing with specific medical conditions, both very rare. FWIW technically I'm a protandrous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodite, so for me it's accurate, though not for most,

Please don't use that word again, now that you've been informed OK?
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Wonder if we should include that particular etiquette in the "Conduct in this Forum" or "read first" post.
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I think that rule should go in the Conduct in this Life section, but sadly I can't find it.
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Dang, Martenmom ages well.

56?

Looks like she's early 40s.  Yea, I guess a dominatrix would keep a very fit a trim body.

And Claire goes down for the count.  She won't be up until morning.  Tends to happen when you have you first bit of hard liqueur.
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She still goes by "Reed" socially.

Yeah, my mom kept my dad's surname after their divorce too. Legally as well. Is that a thing in America where people regularly switch back or something? Even if you part on good terms?
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She still goes by "Reed" socially.

Yeah, my mom kept my dad's surname after their divorce too. Legally as well. Is that a thing in America where people regularly switch back or something? Even if you part on good terms?

I don't know about America, but here in Norway it is quite common to change back after divorce. Doesn't always happen, though.

More to the point, I don't think we really need to apply advanced psychoanalysis to Veronica's choice of keeping Henry's name - there are many possible reasons for it. Having the same surname as her son, for instance.
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"I used to have a six pack"

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Six pack:



Applicability of that image to Marten's mum is left to the imagination.
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When people brandish their guts and claim "I used to have a six pack!", the appropriate responce is "Then you obviously drunk it all".  :evil:
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lol, I wonder if Claire is about to become Veronicas sissy slave. That could be funny.
I think not... while my knowledge (even theoretical) of BDSM is limited, I get the impression that in order to be a "sissy"of any kind, one must be male. It's the delicious thrill of being humiliated, being treated like a girl, that causes the emotional buzz in some guys. For a gal, a big yawn, and probably patronising too, the kind of thing that makes even old chooks like me start talking about Pariarchal misogyny and unleashing my inner Feminist.  NOT a pretty sight.

In order to torture Claire in an equivalent way, you'd have to butch her up - buzzcut her hair, bind her chest, treat her like a boy. She's had at least 15  years of that already, and didn't enjoy one second of it. At this stage, it would likely be very damaging. In 10-20 years, no more so than for any other woman, but right now, contra-indicated. As funny as a rubber crutch in a room floored with broken glass.

Chiming in as an active member of the BDSM community, even if I am "totally vanilla" (by the standards of BDSM any way) there are plenty of women who like being humiliated following a feminine pattern, or confined to an extremely feminine role with degradation following that same pattern. Honestly I tend to feel worse about doing that sort of thing because the most socially well adjusted of the voices in my head point out I'm in the process of being a misogynist slimeball and isn't it screwed up how people used to act like this and NOT being playing?  :psyduck:

On to Mrs. Reed, I wouldn't have called her being in her mid-50s, late 40s yes but certainly no older. I think we can all relate to the concept or fear of being alone... however passing out is a slightly more immediate concern.

A female six pack outside of competitive body building is usually less defined then that for the record, so more like this:
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