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Author Topic: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before  (Read 40384 times)

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #350 on: 02 Feb 2019, 15:13 »

I'm binging on Discovery right now, and thoroughly enjoying myself - though I have to agree it's not the Trek my Mom told me about.

I don't feel like sorting it into drawers right now (not beyond the obvious, like: No, it's still Trek to me. Yes ... those poor, poor Klingons ...), but some random impressions:

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« Reply #351 on: 03 Feb 2019, 14:11 »

Mostly though, I think its down to Archer being "Air Force rather than Navy"

That is a good way to put it.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #352 on: 09 Feb 2019, 12:10 »

And I've already read internet comments that can't spell Shenzhou...

YouTube Reviewer Emergency Awesome has just dropped a Non-Spoilery Review of Discovery after he Previewed the first two Episodes
And this guy can't pronounce Shenzhou. Shen-zoo? :roll: It is shen-joe! Not difficult! Unless you're just using Chinese stuff as set dressing, and don't care about getting it right.

Yeah ... imagine that Han were the most common ethnic heritage in the US and they couldn't find one single damn' native speaker to teach the actors not to sound like trepanation patients when they try to say a simple sentence in Mandarin ...

(Season 2, Ep 4 - Cpt. Pike sounds like he's on a bad acid trip ...)

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #353 on: 14 Feb 2019, 03:37 »

Michelle Yeoh has just re-defined Badass. I think that if she ever raised an eyebrow at me, I might actually wet myself. On second thought: Make that a 'would'. I hadn't really known she was a martial arts performer - and did a spit-take when she did the River-Tam-tribute highkick (into the teeth of the guy standing behind her), like she's 21 instead of 55.
:roll: Heh... To me that sounds like someone not really knowing that John Wayne made Westerns, but that just goes to show what cultural silos we live in. Ms. Yeoh made her cinema debut in martial-arts dramas in 1985, though her original training was as a ballet dancer. "River Tam tribute"? Puh-lease, if anything it's the other way round. :P But for me, she's the best thing in Discovery so far.

I stopped watching Discovery after the first few episodes, and only came back to it recently. I'm still not convinced, but I'm not as negative as I was after watching the first few episodes of Season One. I find the biggest flaw is the clunky dialogue they give characters, especially Michael Burnham, which just doesn't sound like the way real people speak.


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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #354 on: 14 Feb 2019, 03:52 »

Ms. Yeoh made her cinema debut in martial-arts dramas in 1985...

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - yo!

:)

(OT: Yeah, I kinda like Discovery!)  :)
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #355 on: 14 Feb 2019, 04:05 »

Can I just address the 800-pound Sehlat in the room?

I haven't watched much more than the trailers and the first episode of season 2, but I've already come to the conclusion that Discovery's Spock is... well, mirror Spock.

Not just because of the beard and all, but because of his actions.

Why isn't anyone focusing on this?
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« Reply #356 on: 14 Feb 2019, 04:09 »

Because most Trekkers are getting used to the fact that DIS is a hard reboot in all but name and that they shouldn't expect any of the pre-ENT canon or characterisations to be used in the new show.

FWIW, the watch phrase for  the writers on this show appears to be: "Whatever it is, it must make Michael Burnham seem even more perfect."
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #357 on: 14 Feb 2019, 07:37 »

YouTube Reviewer Emergency Awesome has just dropped a Non-Spoilery Review of Discovery after he Previewed the first two Episodes
And this guy can't pronounce Shenzhou. Shen-zoo? :roll: It is shen-joe! Not difficult! Unless you're just using Chinese stuff as set dressing, and don't care about getting it right.
Since written Chinese uses its own character set, it baffles me that we don't transliterate it into reasonably accurate phonetic pronunciation using the English alphabet as we do with Japanese. Where/how did we get "jo" being spelled "zhou"?
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #358 on: 14 Feb 2019, 07:46 »

Because it's not quite the same.  Don't assume that because we can't necessarily hear the difference ourselves it doesn't exist. 

For example, many Japanese cannot hear the difference between our "l" and "r", but that doesn't mean that we can't have that distinction even though they don't. 

There is a huge amount of subtlety in how the brain learns during the first year or so what differences in sound are significant in the language(s) the child is exposed to; differences which it finds not significant don't get programmed into the recognition network, and so can be incredibly hard to learn later.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #359 on: 14 Feb 2019, 15:25 »

Since written Chinese uses its own character set, it baffles me that we don't transliterate it into reasonably accurate phonetic pronunciation using the English alphabet as we do with Japanese. Where/how did we get "jo" being spelled "zhou"?
It is from the Pinyin romanisation system that we get 神舟 romanised as Shenzhou, and pronounced roughly "shenjo".

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #360 on: 28 Feb 2019, 19:23 »

Watched the Orville's conclusion to the 2 parter "Identity"

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It was freaking amazing! It had a great story with a pretty legit space battle on par with the battle for earth from ME3.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #361 on: 01 Mar 2019, 10:45 »

Okay, I never thought I'd say this about Star Trek - Discovery but... now I'm hooked:

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 The chances that the Red Angel is a far future version of the good Captain have just significantly increased, IMO
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #363 on: 23 May 2019, 14:02 »

Because CBS seems to have the advertising chops of a partially-eaten celery stick, that trailer is geoblocked. For those of us elsewhere...

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« Reply #364 on: 23 May 2019, 14:30 »

I hate when that happens.  It's really annoying to have to change the country of my VPN.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #365 on: 24 May 2019, 09:58 »


My only fear about this is that they might make it a flashback series... with Stewart topping and tailing each episode.

I REALLY hope it isn't!
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« Reply #366 on: 24 May 2019, 10:09 »

There are a couple of rumours concerning ST:P.

Taking one with a pinch of salt.

One is that the series will be set about 30 or so years after Star Trek Nemesis and that Picard's life radically changed after the destruction of Romulus in the 2009 reboot. This would also tie into the two part episode "Reunification", featuring Leonard Nimoy and how desperately Picard wanted peace with the Romulans.
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