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Re: Mecklenburg Gardens
« Reply #50 on: 19 Jun 2013, 10:11 »

So - this being a good German restaurant, did they serve schnitzel as a side dish?

Schnitzel is a main dish, do you mean spaetzel, the pasta? I do believe they have both, but we didn't serve either.
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« Reply #51 on: 19 Jun 2013, 14:13 »

*spätzle (plural).

I never quite got the grasp of what constitutes a main dish and what constitutes a side dish.

I am not sure if I congratulated you yet, Linds. If not, congratulations!
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« Reply #53 on: 20 Jun 2013, 01:50 »

Man, go away for a week, and look what happens - people's lives change! 


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« Reply #54 on: 20 Jun 2013, 06:04 »

Yes, I meant spatzle. It's been a while since I was at the local German restaurant near my old home in SE Wisconsin.

I love the noodles, though! They go great with a good slab of roast pork and applesauce.
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« Reply #55 on: 20 Jun 2013, 13:23 »

Spatzle is so fucking good.
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« Reply #56 on: 20 Jun 2013, 13:25 »

Spatzle is so fucking good.

Sorry for being a German smartass once again, but this just hurts. "Spätzle" is a word which is always in Plural.
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« Reply #57 on: 20 Jun 2013, 13:42 »

Is it a countable plural, like "noodle" or an uncountable one like "rice"?
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« Reply #58 on: 20 Jun 2013, 13:44 »

Is it a countable plural, like "noodle" or an uncountable one like "rice"?

I didn't know rice is plural…  :psyduck:
But I think it's countable. At least to me saying "10 Spätzle" makes sense.
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« Reply #59 on: 20 Jun 2013, 13:54 »

I didn't know rice is plural…  :psyduck:
But I think it's countable. At least to me saying "10 Spätzle" makes sense.

Seconded in both regards, except I would have used "ein paar Spätzle" (a few) as an example.

Ankh, maybe what is uncountable singular to us (der Schnee/das Geld), is uncountable plural to them?
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« Reply #60 on: 20 Jun 2013, 14:46 »

Ankh, maybe what is uncountable singular to us (der Schnee/das Geld), is uncountable plural to them?

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« Reply #61 on: 20 Jun 2013, 14:50 »

English has nouns that are 'uncountable'.  'Rice' is one of them, sticking to starchy foods, so is 'popcorn', and 'pasta' and 'bread'.  No matter how much rice you have, it is still 'rice'.  If you want to count your rice you need a measuring word. So "Three pieces of rice," "6 cups of rice" There are also countable nouns, which are more common, and which usually get an 's' at the end when they are plural: 'Noodle' 'potato*'  So I could easily talk about "6 noodles" or "12 potatoes"  (though noodles, due to their small size are more typically counted in volume   (1 cup of noodles).

The other difference between countable and uncountable nouns is howwe talk about them in a sentence like Jace's.  Uncountable nouns are treated as single.  "Rice is good" v. "noodles are good."  I would tend to treat 'Spatzle' as an uncountable noun in English.  Other native English speakers might want to weight in, but I think I would say "a piece of spatzle" or "six cups of spatzle" and "spatzle is good," but probably never "3 spatzle" We have imported the word as a plural, and we don't ever further pluralize it with an 's', but I don't think most people would know or use the singular. 

I think this 'mistreatment' of foreign words is pretty common in English.  One example is our use of the word 'graffiti', which no one but the most pretentious of us ever says in the singular "graffito".  As such most people treat it as an uncountable noun: "6 pieces of graffiti" not "6 graffiti" and "The graffiti on that building is terrible."  A contrasting example is 'cappuccino' which we imported in the singular and so is most commonly pluralized using English rules (cappuccinos) even though this makes prescriptiveist  pedants weep into their own overprices cups of coffee.

Bonus lesson, because it is one of my language pet peeves:  the word 'number' is reserved for countable things, and the word 'amount' for uncountable things.  Amount is a stand in for the measuring word you would need to count an uncountable noun.  "Twice the amount of rice."  "Twice the number of potatoes*."  It grates on me when people say things like "I need to increase the amount of friends I have." because friends are countable.  I've noticed this is becoming more common, so it will probably be an accepted alternative in another 50 years.

*my use of potatoes assumes that we are talking about whole potatoes, and not potatoes which have been mashed or otherwise formed into an uncountable dish.
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Re: Mecklenburg Gardens
« Reply #62 on: 20 Jun 2013, 15:03 »

Ankh, maybe what is uncountable singular to us (der Schnee/das Geld), is uncountable plural to them?

Us and them
and after all we're only ordinary men

And sisters. Definitely also sisters, they are part of the band too. I think they play drums.
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« Reply #63 on: 20 Jun 2013, 15:47 »

Ankh, maybe what is uncountable singular to us (der Schnee/das Geld), is uncountable plural to them?

Us and them
and after all we're only ordinary men

And sisters. Definitely also sisters, they are part of the band too. I think they play drums.

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Re: Mecklenburg Gardens
« Reply #64 on: 20 Jun 2013, 16:22 »

Is it a countable plural, like "noodle" or an uncountable one like "rice"?
Is either of those a plural? I would say one noodle, but two noodles. Are uncountable nouns regarded as plurals? I did not know that, and I don't think of rice as a plural any more than water or air. Are people confused because mice and dice are plurals? Incidentally the use of "measure words" meaning something like "unit of" is very common in Chinese, and there are many of them to learn.

I never use the singular "graffito" but I do normally treat graffiti as a plural, as I do media and data, so I would say "There are a lot of graffiti on that wall."

My pet peeve is "different than", or even worse "different to", instead of "different from". I don't know that it is wrong, but it grates in my ears.
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« Reply #65 on: 20 Jun 2013, 17:22 »

Spatzle is so fucking good.

Sorry for being a German smartass once again, but this just hurts. "Spätzle" is a word which is always in Plural.

Oh I just sometimes talk with real bad grammar. Aint no thang wrt plural or singular but I did consider putting are rather than is, in the end Iffigure I ain't one to go too hard with it so I let it be
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« Reply #66 on: 20 Jun 2013, 17:31 »

And another thread effectively derailed! :)
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« Reply #67 on: 20 Jun 2013, 17:55 »

I never use the singular "graffito" but I do normally treat graffiti as a plural, as I do media and data, so I would say "There are a lot of graffiti on that wall."

that just sounds wrong to me... i'd say "there is a lot of graffiti on that wall". say, like you would use the word art, or puke.  :P
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« Reply #68 on: 20 Jun 2013, 18:36 »

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« Reply #69 on: 20 Jun 2013, 18:41 »

Spatzle is so fucking good.

Sorry for being a German smartass once again, but this just hurts. "Spätzle" is a word which is always in Plural.

Oh I just sometimes talk with real bad grammar. Aint no thang wrt plural or singular but I did consider putting are rather than is, in the end Iffigure I ain't one to go too hard with it so I let it be

No, Jace, you got it right - that's what Papersatan and Akima are saying.  Spatzle, as a dish, is good, just as rice is good, plural or not.  You can talk about the individual little dumpling-like noodle things if you like, but it's not a collective noun or anything.  It's still treated in the singular - "the popcorn is buttered", for example. 

All this talk about countable or uncountable just makes me think of the mathematical definitions of those terms...
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« Reply #70 on: 20 Jun 2013, 18:46 »

Saying, "Spätzel is good," in English is grammatically correct. It's like saying, "Lasagna is good," or "Basmati rice is good," or "Udon is good." Though the last one could be debatable, as it could also be, "Udon noodles are good." But for me, spätzel is spätzel, not spätzel noodles.

Also, spätzel IS good, especially when topped with goulash. NOM.
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« Reply #71 on: 20 Jun 2013, 19:38 »

You English treat our poor German words pretty harsh… To a German that sounds just plain wrong. (by the way, the English Wikipedia article on them starts with "Spätzle [...] are a type of egg noodle [...].", but that's hardly a reliable source.)

But who are we to judge. There were actually a few German stores which advertised backpacs/rucksacks (by the way, the German word for that is Rucksäcke) as "body bags" as the German term didn't sound "hip" enough. Also we call it "public viewing" when lots of people come together to watch a live event on TV. I guess our marketing experts are very harsh on your language too.
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« Reply #72 on: 20 Jun 2013, 19:44 »

I hate the words "games" and "handy" used in German. They're just horrible. I want to puke when I hear them.

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« Reply #73 on: 20 Jun 2013, 20:00 »

I remember you explaining "handy" the other night on Mumble. Does it ever cause confusion/double-takes?
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« Reply #74 on: 20 Jun 2013, 20:55 »

The problem  is, the German language just combines existing words to create new ones.

Like Hoopenballen.
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« Reply #75 on: 21 Jun 2013, 02:02 »

Yeah, but seeing as that is an integral part of the German language, I have no problem with that. I take issue with ads saying "games" though.

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« Reply #76 on: 21 Jun 2013, 02:23 »

Hoopenballen.
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I remember you explaining "handy" the other night on Mumble. Does it ever cause confusion/double-takes?

No, because we use the German word for handy, which is not the English word handy.
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« Reply #77 on: 21 Jun 2013, 03:40 »

Funny I used to live and work for Mecklenburg County North Carolina. I think we've already spoke on this bla h blah blah. /i amPointless
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« Reply #78 on: 21 Jun 2013, 05:26 »

Bonus lesson, because it is one of my language pet peeves:  the word 'number' is reserved for countable things, and the word 'amount' for uncountable things.  Amount is a stand in for the measuring word you would need to count an uncountable noun.  "Twice the amount of rice."  "Twice the number of potatoes*."  It grates on me when people say things like "I need to increase the amount of friends I have." because friends are countable.  I've noticed this is becoming more common, so it will probably be an accepted alternative in another 50 years.

Fewer vs Less is the one that gets to me. 'Fewer' is for countable things and 'less' is for uncountable things. "I have less busy when I have fewer projects to work on." NOT "I'm so busy. I wish I had less projects."
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« Reply #79 on: 21 Jun 2013, 05:47 »

I have less busy
If this wasn't a rant about using the wrong word I'd let this go :roll:
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« Reply #80 on: 21 Jun 2013, 07:27 »

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« Reply #81 on: 21 Jun 2013, 07:33 »

You English treat our poor German words pretty harsh…

To be fair, the people who made Englush kind of just took German, chopped it up, threw some bits from other languages in there and called it a thing. English is a pretty fucked up language.

Also saying, "You English," makes it sounds like you're talking to people from England. "You English speakers," would be better.
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« Reply #82 on: 21 Jun 2013, 07:44 »

HEY! Aren't you supposed to be enjoying your honeymoon instead of posting on a message board? ;)
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« Reply #83 on: 21 Jun 2013, 07:47 »

Is Linds's husband one of us?
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« Reply #84 on: 21 Jun 2013, 08:11 »

One of us...
one of us....
ONE OF US...


OK, I'll stop now.  And I don't believe he is. 

Linds, are you keeping us a secret? 
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« Reply #85 on: 23 Jun 2013, 10:27 »

He is not.

Re: uncountable plurals: I think the uncountable words are technically singular.  I think of them as plurals, in my head, but upon I don't suppose they are.   Also, the OED informs me that

Re: Spatzle specifically: I went and looked it up the 1986 OED declares it to be a plural, but the updated versions allow it to be either. 

Re: The English language and the mistreatment of foreign words:  I think that our language's mixed heritage and the ease with which we can co-opt new words is a strength.  Perhaps not when you are trying to learn it as a non-native speaker, but I like that we can easily mix new words, and that they quickly become natural sounding parts of our speech. There are critiques to be made about our language and culture steam-rolling the languages and cultures of others, but from a purely linguistic point of view, it is great.
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« Reply #86 on: 23 Jun 2013, 10:54 »

He is not a member, but he sees a lot of the forums. Like right now! He's watching as I type. So he's pretty much one of us. :) (Also he just said, "I could get on the forums, I suppose." Also he's been reading the comic just as long as I have or maybe a little longer, so hey.)

And if I posted on the forum, it's because I we had down time. Like while waiting for a shower, waiting for food, or lazing about the hotel because we'd exhausted ourselves by wandering around Coronado/San Diego.
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« Reply #87 on: 27 Jun 2013, 10:58 »

I'm late to the party but it's because I was packing/losing my mind/finding it again on my own honeymoon so I'm allowed. :-)

Anyway.


YAY LINDS!!! :-D You looked absolutely gorgeous and it sounds like your wedding was a blast! I hope you are enjoying/enjoyed your honeymoon! Also....omg those cupcakes. They look delightful. OM NOM NOM.
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« Reply #88 on: 27 Jun 2013, 15:08 »

*looks on in interest* are you two going to discuss wife-ish things now? stuff like tapestries and cupcakes and perfect apple pies and how the children are growing up way too fast and the best kindergartens?























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« Reply #89 on: 27 Jun 2013, 16:08 »

You two can teach me how to do all the wedding and spouse types things! I'll be a marital protégé.

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« Reply #91 on: 27 Jun 2013, 18:52 »

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« Reply #92 on: 29 Jun 2013, 14:37 »

I know how to make the first.
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« Reply #93 on: 30 Jun 2013, 05:20 »

Dunno.
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« Reply #94 on: 30 Jun 2013, 08:18 »

1. YES. Love me some roasts
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Re: Mecklenburg Gardens
« Reply #95 on: 30 Jun 2013, 08:44 »

Can't cook unless it comes in a box.
Can't knit or crochet or anything but I can sew to an extent.
Throw it in the washer and hope.
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Re: Mecklenburg Gardens
« Reply #96 on: 30 Jun 2013, 13:51 »

Reminds me of a Blondie comic from years ago - Dagwood came to her with a sock that had a hole, asking her to darn it for him.  She tells him "Sure, watch", and says "Darn" as she throws it into the trash. 


Edit: I should mention that I actually darned one of my favorite pairs of gloves several times... it's not hard, but definitely time consuming, and a dying art.  Also, using different colored yarn makes for an interesting look.
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Re: Mecklenburg Gardens
« Reply #97 on: 01 Jul 2013, 07:41 »

IDK
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My wife's trick: Use Shout or some such, then put the garment out in the sun.
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Re: Mecklenburg Gardens
« Reply #98 on: 01 Jul 2013, 07:50 »

I got a super cute top at Goodwill and I am hoping that some mixture of whatever cleaning supplies I have and blind luck will get the stains out of the front. Because it is a gorgeous top. And cost like $2.
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