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Author Topic: WCDT: 2495-2499 (22-26 July, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread  (Read 132622 times)

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"May contain butts"?
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I'm starting to lean toward the opinion that May could be a part of a social or psychological study. He did "agree" to the evaluation (albeit without knowing what the agreement was).

The interesting question would be, was it by chance, or just "coincidental"?

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Homeopathic medicines are very useful. They provoke a placebo response without any danger of adverse side effects.  I know a doctor who recommends them for that reason.  Of course he doesn't tell that to the patients because then it wouldn't work.
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i got the impression May wasn't impressed by the homeopathic butt cream because it implied there was something wrong with the dude's butt, not because it's homeopathic  :psyduck:
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I'm thinking that May might be lacking just a little restraint, and what's the word for it?

Oh yes, class.

On the other hand, Dale is starting to look like an interesting character.
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I'm thinking that May might be lacking just a little restraint, and what's the word for it?

Oh yes, class.
Maybe she's running on C?

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I'm thinking that May might be lacking just a little restraint, and what's the word for it?

Oh yes, class.
Maybe she's running on C?

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I wonder, if May gets too out of hand, could Dale take the iGlass portion of his glasses off and stow them in  a case where he couldn't see or hear May (and she couldn't hear or see anything) until he was ready to put up with her shenanigans again? Does Dale wear those glasses for any level of corrective vision?
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He must be, he used regular glasses earlier, didn't he? Or were they mere sunglasses?
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Homeopathic medicines are very useful. They provoke a placebo response without any danger of adverse side effects.  I know a doctor who recommends them for that reason.  Of course he doesn't tell that to the patients because then it wouldn't work.

There are products companies label homeopathic that do contain active ingredients, as was with the case of a nasal spray which contained Zinc and caused permanent loss of smell in some cases. I seem to recall, but I'm not actually sure, that due to them being labeled homeopathic and not actual medication, they were subject to less strict regulation than medication. So don't count on anything labeled homeopathic to be harmless. Not to mention the danger of people self-medicating with placebos for dangerous conditions, which they are encouraging by fostering in them the idea that homeopathy is not placebos.

Same for Chiropractice or whatever it's spelled -- beside their crackpot claims (on the same level as homeopathy), don't go to one instead of an actual physical therapist -- there have been numerous cases of severe spinal injury by "chiropracticers" (EDIT: I think they call themselves "chiropractors"), as they are not legally subject to licensing. Same with "nutritionist" rather than dietician -- the latter is subject to legal regulation in most places.
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Who says they're written?  I think the AI is some kind of self-generating / replicating code.  A complete personality is... way too complex to be authored.

Not authored - grown. Evolved. That's the one way we know how we can get emergent behaviour at the moment. Use a meta-genetic algorithm to optimise evolution of  AI's. You end up with something that has the properties you want, but you have no idea how to get there from here. It has other properties too that you haven't considered.

That reminds me, I better get back to my thesis (on this very subject - experimental work).

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Using Meta-Genetic Algorithms to tune parameters of Genetic Algorithms to find lowest energy Molecular Conformers
ZE Brain, MA Addicoat 
Proceedings of the 12th International Conference on the Synthesis and Simulation of Living Systems

Optimization of a genetic algorithm for searching molecular conformer space
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Optimization of a Genetic Algorithm for the Functionalization of Fullerenes
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Using a Meta-GA for parametric optimization of simple GAs in the computational chemistry domain
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Did they ever actually get rid of Momo's old shell?

...You were thinking that too, hey?
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Momo's old shell would be a fitting purgatory for May I think.
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May in Momo's old chassis? Do we really want her to have control of an eel tank?
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Anyways, the correct pronunciation of the appropriate curse / insult from a WoW player is "Gnome", not "Gno-may".  What are you, French?
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Personally, I don't see where all the "Nigerian Prince" sayers are coming from o.o if a stranger approaches you on the street and says "sorry, could you take a picture of me, I will give you some cookies for that", do you automatically assume you are being scammed out of money?

As a result of several encounters with pickpockets, yes.

Personally I am unsure whether Dickmouth Stinkface is part of a scam. I definitely think she owes someone money, which is why she is doing the job. Perhaps Dale will prove a good influence on her as others have suggested.

Also, add me to the list of those thinking that her in Momo's old chassis is a terrible idea.
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Terrible idea for the cast, certainly. For us?
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Even if you'd heard several people say that a specific chiropractor had helped them with a particular issue that you were also suffering from?

Yes.

Keep in mind that people have even had medical procedures that they thought had actually helped them, but once double-blind placebo controlled studies were done, it was found that they were no better than a placebo.

For example, doctors used to do a kind of arthroscopic knee surgery called arthroscopic lavage or debridement, where loose cartilage is removed from inside the knee.  This was supposed to help alleviate knee pain.  However, when compared to surgery where no actual debridement occurred, there was no significant difference in results.  As such this practice has almost entirely fallen out of use.  See: "Study Finds Common Knee Surgery No Better Than Placebo" (Science Daily - 7/12/2002).

With some things, especially with things like pain and fatigue, placebo effects are quite prone to occur, so special care has to be taken to not be fooled by that.

Also, even more common, is what is called "regression to the mean."  People tend to go for treatment when they're at their worst, and the body tends to heal over time or get used to problems, so these two facts combined can make any treatment seem effective.  People assume because they got the treatment and then they got better, that this means that the treatment helped them, but that's not necessarily the case.  You can't tell if you're getting better because of the treatment or if you would have gotten better anyways without the treatment unless you do scientific testing.

This is why I don't blindly take people at their word; anecdotes are not data.  I look at the objective scientific evidence instead.

I find it interesting because I go to the NHS GP like a good little girl and tell them "I have this problem" or "the problem is a lot worse now" and they say "here are stronger painkillers, go home". At least an alternative medicine practitioner might make a bit more effort to work out what is wrong with me than that.

That doesn't actually mean that they're any better at diagnosing or treating the problem.

That said, some portions of chiropractic are OK while others are superstitious nonsense.  Look up "innate intelligence" in relation to chiropractic some time.  The quality of a chiropractor greatly depends on how much he subscribes to objective science versus pseudo-scientific nonsense.

Homeopathic medicines are very useful. They provoke a placebo response without any danger of adverse side effects.  I know a doctor who recommends them for that reason.  Of course he doesn't tell that to the patients because then it wouldn't work.

Personally, I think it's unethical to have patients spend money on treatments that don't really do anything and dangerous to promote the idea that they actually do something.  If you think homeopathy is harmless, you're wrong.

There are products companies label homeopathic that do contain active ingredients, as was with the case of a nasal spray which contained Zinc and caused permanent loss of smell in some cases. I seem to recall, but I'm not actually sure, that due to them being labeled homeopathic and not actual medication, they were subject to less strict regulation than medication. So don't count on anything labeled homeopathic to be harmless.

Correct. You're talking about Zicam, and the manufacturer, Matrixx Initiatives, paid $12 million to settle 340 lawsuits from the people who lost their sense of smell (and thus some sense of taste as well) due to using this self-proclaimed "homeopathic" product.  Some products calling themselves homeopathic actually do have active ingredients when they're not sufficiently diluted, though most are just water, sugar, lactose, alcohol, or some other dilutant.

Unfortunately bills have been passed by senators who are fans of homeopathy which make it so that that these products don't have to be tested for safety or efficacy before being sold the way real medicines do, so the public can easily get screwed over like this.  And where the FDA can investigate, they've found manufacturers who have allowed glass shards to contaminate the product, who've failed to put anything homeopathic in the product, and who've put greatly varying doses in products, and they've found all of these violations in just one manufacturing plant.

In case you hadn't guessed, I'm not a fan of companies selling products which aren't likely to do what they claim they do and at best they do nothing.  It's all fraud as far as I'm concerned, and dangerous fraud preying on those who often really need medical help to boot.
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I can just imagine the commercial for the homeopathic butt cream:

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May seems too mean spirited to be Momo. My bet is it's Marigold. She's got hacking skillz, and assuming he'd like a hot slave maid in a skimpy outfit and that he lives off his parents sounds like the kind of unfair psycho shit she throws at him all the time.
Now there's an idea!

Boradis makes an interesting suggestion, but where the heck would Marbear get an A.I. just to toss at Dale?  :psyduck:

What if it's just Marigold talking through an AI "skin?"

I think the suggestions was that there isn't really any AI, its Marigold herself.
Bingo.

And I sort of object to Marigold throwing "unfair psycho shit" at Dale (this refers to the quote from Boradis). I don't want to restart the discussion about how objectable Marigolds behaviour towards Dale was or wasn't, but I really don't see any psycho shit.

I'm sorry my wording was harsh…

(I've deleted the rest of my response since you said you didn't want to restart this discussion. Suffice to say I disagree.)
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Steve passed Dales name onto the DOKA and now there testing him.


Either  that. or it's Microsoft.
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Dickmouth Stinkface is on the same Internet as all of the characters who have Internet connections in their heads.

Since she's there for (anti)social interaction, shouldn't she make herself visible to the people who could see her without expensive holoprojection equipment, such as Momo? One of the things companions typically do is interact with your friends.
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"Homeopathic butt cream" is totally going to be my go-to euphemism from now on.

"Hey baby, would you like to try some of my homeopathic butt cream? It comes with it's own applicator stick."
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Dickmouth Stinkface is on the same Internet as all of the characters who have Internet connections in their heads.

Since she's there for (anti)social interaction, shouldn't she make herself visible to the people who could see her without expensive holoprojection equipment, such as Momo? One of the things companions typically do is interact with your friends.

Not if there is an ulterior motive ... such as the time-honored practice of "fuckin' with someone."
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"Homeopathic butt cream" is totally going to be my go-to euphemism from now on.

"Hey baby, would you like to try some of my homeopathic butt cream? It comes with it's own applicator stick."

It's more of an injection really.    :psyduck:
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Maybe it's a cream for homeopathic butts.
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I think May is being punished. She has been a naughty, naughty AI (hopefully with nothing regarding nuclear launch codes) and the Global Meta AI has partnered her with Dale in the hopes that he is a positive influence.

He is being paid for it, but doesn't know it because that makes him a more convincing role model (not an authoritive figure, which she would rebel against)

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I like this notion. Certainly Dale has shown the patience of a saint so far.

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Basically I am a HUGE fan of companies actually selling medication for illnesses I actually have
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"Homeopathic butt cream" is totally going to be my go-to euphemism from now on.

Now I begin to realize why N.U.R.R.'s are notorious. (Google has failed me.)
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Even if the prices are slightly unreasonable;
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Either  that. or it's Microsoft.

That's IT! "May" is WINDOWS 8!!!!!
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I just had a thought (unusual, I know): what if this is setting up a situation where Marigold sees Dale talking to May, causing her to get jealous, not knowing that May is a holographic AI thing?
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We now know "May" isn't after Dale's money because she didn't go 'boink' and vanish in a cloud of loose pixels when she learned he hardly has any. So what -is- she after?

I don't think he is paying for the service, my understanding is this is a beta test he was getting paid for, so he opted into it. Makes sense if he's working several jobs and helping his mom, doesn't seem like he'd pop good money for that service otherwise.
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Either  that. or it's Microsoft.

That's IT! "May" is WINDOWS 8!!!!!

More likely a forgotten subroutine of Vista
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I just had a thought (unusual, I know): what if this is setting up a situation where Marigold sees Dale talking to May, causing her to get jealous, not knowing that May is a holographic AI thing?
Only Dale can see May though, cause of the glasses.

...which apparently he just turned off.  :-D
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The fact that Dale put up with May for (I presume) a whole day...well the guy has gotta have the patience of a saint. I would have crushed the glasses and burned them before I even had my morning tea.
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*Dramatic sting!*

Also, he looks surprisingly decent with the glasses off...in both senses.
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I like it much better when his glasses are turned off. It gets annoying never being able to see his eyes. Not sure why that is.
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Eye contact is incredibly important in communication, to the point where its one of the most telling signs in body language. If you can't see someone's eyes, you miss out on a huge amonut of information and thus a subconscious connection. Even though Dale is a fictional character, we still missed out on a great deal from him and so the disconnect.

At least, thats what I think.
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I don't always comment on the QC forum, but when I do it is to say:

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.


I finally get people who are attracted to cartoons.
Maybe it's because Dale without glasses looks an awful lot like my husband when I first started dating him though.

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So this is the point of this story arc. To explain why Dale's glasses no longer glow.
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Wow Dale. You've grown a lot these last days. I wonder why you're so absent the last two panels?

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I think Dale realized how lonely he really is :(

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daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.


I finally get people who are attracted to cartoons.
Maybe it's because Dale without glasses looks an awful lot like my husband when I first started dating him though.

I second this. I think he looks really handsome in that last panel.

So apparently he doesn't need glasses to see? That's interesting. Does that mean he has been only wearing Glasses that whole time, not regular glasses?

...why would he spend money on Glasses anyway. His financial situation confuses me.

Oh, idea. Maybe he is reading up on May on the Internet. I doubt he is the first ever to be in this situation.
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I think... I think he just put her into a coma. The more I think about him turning off the Glasses, the more uncomfortable it makes me. Her existence is primarily determined by whether his Glasses are on or not.

And I agree that the glowing glasses have always kept him at a distance from us. It's hard to connect with him as a human being because we basically don't get to see him as we normally see others.
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I think... I think he just put her into a coma. The more I think about him turning off the Glasses, the more uncomfortable it makes me. Her existence is primarily determined by whether his Glasses are on or not.


Agreed. Today's comic was a bit disturbing for me. It's obvious that AIs in this universe are fully sentient and capable of emotions, I certainly hope he didn't just kill May. There was genuine fear in her eyes as soon as he spoke of turning off the glasses. And the way she's flickering is just...unsettling.
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I think... I think he just put her into a coma. The more I think about him turning off the Glasses, the more uncomfortable it makes me. Her existence is primarily determined by whether his Glasses are on or not.

If she's running in a data centre rather than on the Glasses themselves, I would assume it's more like he's dumped her into a senseless limbo. She probably has internet access but no other communication method.
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So, Dale is a Gunnm fan...

In any case, the big question is whether May is still conscious when disconnected.
And then, if she is, is it ethical to disconnect her.
Reminds me of the ST:Voyager episode in which the holodeck characters acquire sentience and independance (yes, I watched ST:V. Sue me.).
Or the whole "am I human if I have a chip instead of a brain?" conundrum in Gunnm and Gunnm Last Order (relevant...).
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