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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #301 on: 17 May 2017, 23:36 »

So, basically, the Klingons aren't Vikings anymore, they're now orcs. Also, because... reasons... they've decided to redo Spock's entire "Am I Vulcan or am I Human?" subplot with the main character (because there are no original ideas left).

Okay, I know trailers are deceptive. CBS are telling us what they want us to think the show is about, not necessarily what it is about, so I'll withhold judgement on these things for now. One thing about which I will not withhold judgement is the appropriation of the original Babylon 5 crew uniforms.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #302 on: 18 May 2017, 02:17 »

What is it about the Klingons? Vulcans, Romulans, Andorians, Humans, Ferengi... all consistently represented physically (give or take the odd rubber forehead) but this is, what, the third revamp of the Klingons?
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« Reply #303 on: 18 May 2017, 17:10 »

Third time's the charm??
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #304 on: 18 May 2017, 23:09 »

It seems particularly silly considering the ridiculous retcon/justification inserted into Enterprise for the change in appearance of Klingons from ST:TOS to ST:TMP and later. So now the canon is that they changed, changed back, changed again, changed back again... Or is canon a thing any more?
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #305 on: 18 May 2017, 23:24 »

That's an interesting question, Akima. I'm increasingly wondering if each separate 'incarnation' of Trek (the original series & movies 1-6, the four 'Next Generation-era' shows and movies 7-9, the Abramsverse and now Discovery) should be considered parallel continuities that are similar but not identical and do not necessarily have the same histories and even the same physical laws in the background.

I'm not opposed to this concept. I would even argue that there is some basis for this in the official materials. For example, in The Original Series, warp factors were the cube root of the vessel's velocity multiplier of the speed of light. In The Next Generation, it was altered to a logarithmic scale that reached infinity at Warp 10 and Enterprise added a new modifier where certain subspace conditions could allow a starship to travel far faster than their notional warp speed and that there were 'express routes' between some major systems like Sol and Q'on'os (something that some writers, most notably William Shatner's ghostwriter, have suggested is artificial and possibly the work of the Next Generation-era's ancient God-species/progenitors of all intelligent life, the Preservers... but I digress). Simon Pegg (who ended up effectively writing Star Trek - Beyond) has also explicitly stated that his understanding is that the Abramsverse is a parallel universe rather than a divergent timeline.

As I said, there's no reason why this couldn't work and I'm happy enough with it as a meta-explanation. However, I'd have been grateful if this were clearly stated somehow. Spock could have mentioned it in ST2009 and, if they are doing the interdimensional thing in Discovery, it wouldn't be hard to drop it in (maybe have one of the Discovery's scans of the Swirly Space Anomaly Thingy show the Enterprise under Captain Pike).
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #306 on: 19 May 2017, 01:27 »

With the way Discovery looks so far I'm having trouble believing all their protestations that it's in the Prime universe and isn't 10 years before ST '09. At this point they're flatly contradicting the visual aesthetic established in 'The Cage' and slightly continued in 'Where No Man Has Gone Before'. Canon has been kinda squiggly since the TV and movie rights were split up in '05 though.
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« Reply #307 on: 19 May 2017, 16:28 »

One  of my own concerns is that Paramount/CBS essentially keeps 'Shitting On The Fanbase'.  If there is any way for them to kill off 'The Golden Goose', it's to continue to poss off and alienate  the fans the way they have in the recent few years.
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« Reply #308 on: 31 Aug 2017, 01:59 »

Well, it looks like Discovery isn't dead in the water... yet. It's just turned up on Netflix to be released September 25th.
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« Reply #309 on: 31 Aug 2017, 02:12 »

An interesting bit of information has emerged about both the J J Abrams reboot and Star Trek - Discovery.

It turns out that, when Viacom was split into Paramount Pictures and CBS Television by court order, CBS retained all rights to the Star Trek license and Paramount had only the right to make films and TV shows that had the name 'Star Trek'. Consequently, they would have needed to negotiate a separate license to use the trademarked imagery and art designs (such as the classic show uniforms, the starship designs and the set designs). Paramount have been unwilling to do so and CBS have apparently been somewhat unreasonable on the terms they are offering anyway. So, the reason why both the Abramsverse and Discovery look so different from the classic Trek, either subtly (as in the case of the Abramsverse uniforms) or overtly (the Discovery uniforms, starship aesthetic and Klingon make-up designs) is because they legally have to be different or Paramount & Bad Robot would be breaking trademark and copyright law.

It seems that the destiny of Star Trek is to die by being impaled by a pen on a copyright attorney's desk!
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #310 on: 31 Aug 2017, 15:35 »

That's fucking ridiculous

I've known THREE year old children better behaved than that!!!!!
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #311 on: 31 Aug 2017, 16:21 »

That said, the design of the Discovery resembles that of the ship for the cancelled 70s Star Trek film Planet of the Titans. When the film was cancelled, it was instead used for the proposed television series Star Trek Phase 2. Which itself was cancelled. And why we ended up with Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Which in a way, makes Discovery the series before the films in more ways than one.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #312 on: 24 Sep 2017, 19:54 »

YouTube Reviewer Emergency Awesome has just dropped a Non-Spoilery Review of Discovery after he Previewed the first two Episodes



Just to be on the safe side .......

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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #313 on: 25 Sep 2017, 02:23 »

It occurred to me today that the initialism for Star Trek: Discovery would be ST:D, which is a little unfortunate.

And I've already read internet comments that can't spell Shenzhou...

YouTube Reviewer Emergency Awesome has just dropped a Non-Spoilery Review of Discovery after he Previewed the first two Episodes
And this guy can't pronounce Shenzhou. Shen-zoo? :roll: It is shen-joe! Not difficult! Unless you're just using Chinese stuff as set dressing, and don't care about getting it right.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #314 on: 25 Sep 2017, 09:33 »

I've been seeing some stuff about the show pop up on imgur.  No one has said their opinion yet.  Just a picture here and there and an occasional gif.

Never really been a fan of emergency awesome.  Has anyone here seen it yet?
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« Reply #315 on: 25 Sep 2017, 21:56 »

And this guy can't pronounce Shenzhou. Shen-zoo? :roll: It is shen-joe! Not difficult! Unless you're just using Chinese stuff as set dressing, and don't care about getting it right.

If it's any consolation, I'm watching it right now, it's being pronounced "Shen-joe" in series.
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Re: To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
« Reply #316 on: 25 Sep 2017, 23:37 »

Yay, it is! Props to the team for that. They do have Michelle Yeoh to help them get it right, of course.
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« Reply #317 on: 26 Sep 2017, 10:12 »

She also doesn't change her accent for this role, and, according to Wikipedia, "Yeoh also chose her own decorations for Georgiou's ready room, including Malaysian puppets and a bottle of Chateau Picard wine".
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« Reply #318 on: 27 Sep 2017, 08:06 »

How are you liking it hedgie?
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« Reply #319 on: 27 Sep 2017, 10:45 »

So far so good.  I have seen the first two episodes, and am awaiting the next one.  My only gripe is that they had to redesign the klingons yet again (not really a spoiler since it's in the first 10 seconds). However, the way things are now, I think that no matter how good it is, the show is doomed.  The release model of streaming-only on CBS's own service rather than one of the big three basically ensures that most won't watch, and the vast majority of those who do will torrent it rather than pay for another subscription.
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« Reply #320 on: 27 Sep 2017, 11:12 »

Yeah, their business model seems counter productive.
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« Reply #321 on: 27 Sep 2017, 11:46 »

I do wonder if they're trying to kill it off. Netflix effectively paid for its development, IIRC, so barring opportunity cost it's not exactly a loss if it "accidentally" has terrible ratings and isn't renewed.
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« Reply #322 on: 27 Sep 2017, 12:54 »

Well... Sorry but I wasn't greatly impressed. There was a lot of interesting potential in the story and characters alike but, in the end, it fell flat.

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« Reply #323 on: 27 Sep 2017, 13:14 »

I have already seen it, but please do spoiler some of that stuff for those who have not.
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« Reply #324 on: 27 Sep 2017, 15:21 »

Yeah, their business model seems counter productive.

That's why they're leading off with ST:D. They want a slice of that sweet, sweet streaming service money so they are leading off with a property that they know people want. Time will tell if they overestimated people's tolerance for blatant consumerism in their Star Trek.
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« Reply #325 on: 27 Sep 2017, 17:28 »

She also doesn't change her accent for this role
Something that has gone down badly in some xenophobic quarters. As usual, many of the complaints about Ms. Yeoh not speaking "proper English" are sub-literate.
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« Reply #326 on: 01 Oct 2017, 21:40 »

ST:D..

no spoiler here: it's BAD. nauseatingly, poorly acted, wasted money BAD.
remember BSG:2000 ?
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« Reply #327 on: 02 Oct 2017, 07:42 »

I wasn't much for the new BSG.  My wife liked it though.
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« Reply #328 on: 02 Oct 2017, 12:12 »

Okay, now I've seen episode 3 and... Well, I know how sensitive the mods are to spoilers so open the post if you want the details, even though I tried to keep them spoiler-free

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« Reply #329 on: 02 Oct 2017, 21:01 »

I wasn't much for the new BSG.  My wife liked it though.

I stand corrected: when I talked of bad BSG, I meant GALACTICA 1980.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactica_1980

the 'new'BSG of 2004 was awesome.
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« Reply #330 on: 03 Oct 2017, 07:03 »

I liked the pilot episodes (which on syfy was a 2 hour movie that came out a couple of years before the series was broadcasted) and I really enjoyed the idea.  Then it quickly got boring to me.  Admittedly I did not watch them in order and the episodes I did see were politically heavy handed.  I guess I wanted more war or a faster paced narrative (like the pilot).  One of these days I'll give it another try but I just haven't had the motivation to do so.

I have heard people suggest that if you like an idea behind a story but not its execution, to write you own.  I may just do that...but then Mass effect came out and the Quarians pretty much scratched that itch for me.
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« Reply #331 on: 03 Oct 2017, 20:29 »

I think enough time has gone by that I don't need to Spoiler this and I thought you would be interested in what this guy has to say as it's fairly well thought out and he's quite calm about his POV

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« Reply #332 on: 31 Aug 2018, 08:25 »

Star Trek - Discovery sued for plagerism

I doubt that this lawsuit will succeed but it's getting a lot of publicity on-line and is the sort of self-inflicted cream pie in the face that CBS really doesn't want with a show that's struggling to find a place in some legacy fans' hearts (to the point where season 2 has a feeling of a soft reboot already).

The really worrying part is the similarities of some of the art and the way some character appearances and bios are worryingly similar. It's quite possible that some staff writers and story editors are going to be riding a boot out of the door and I suspect that Mr Abdin will be given several container-fulls of cash to shut up and go away.
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« Reply #333 on: 07 Sep 2018, 18:27 »

I got my wife into TNG some time ago and she likes it.  She has started watching it when she gets our daughter ready for bed.  Picard's voice really soothes the baby to sleep.

Some of the episodes I remembered watching but its been so long it was great to see them again and with my wife who is a first timer. I collected some small notes and wanted to go down a nostalgia trip and list them off in the spoiler below.

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« Reply #334 on: 06 Dec 2018, 07:42 »

It occurred to me today that the initialism for Star Trek: Discovery would be ST:D, which is a little unfortunate.
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« Reply #335 on: 06 Dec 2018, 07:55 »

It occurred to me today that the initialism for Star Trek: Discovery would be ST:D, which is a little unfortunate.

FWIW, the official abbreviation is 'DIS', which follows the precedent of Star Trek - Voyager being 'VOY' and Star Trek - Enterprise being 'ENT'. That said 'DIS' has its' own unfortunate connotations, given how lots of fans seem to feel about the show.

Nothing confirmed and only passing on hearsay at the moment but there do seem to be serious rumblings about the show's future amongst the upper echelons at CBS. I suppose this might be because it was very much Les Moonves' personal pet project and may be considered tainted simply by association with him. Additionally, Netflix demanding a huge distribution license fee cut and not being willing to host the inter-season shorts at any price may also have some decision-makers' fingers edging towards the 'Cancel' button.
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